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Old 08-26-2008, 08:08 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?

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soterialogically?

Keep it simple - write or speak to your audience level.

Jesus spoke in terms that simple fisher men and farmers could understand.

Some might get the idea that you are trying to impress others with your big words.

Just some thoughts.
I didn't get that impression
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:29 PM
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When I was water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins, in obedience to Acts 2:38, for the rest of that night I felt good on the inside, clean, light, and almost like a was a little tipsy; and I give God all of the glory for that. I did not have the Holy Ghost at that time but I had faith and had repented of my sins. I did get the Holy Ghost a few months later though.

In my born again walk though, I have come across some who were baptized the same way but in a different church, but did not feel anything different at all after they were baptized.

I've also read of some who were baptized and didn't feel anything different who heard about others who had and to make a long story short, found an apostolic minister who had re-baptized people who had NOT felt anything different and afterwards they did feel different.

So I thought I would ask apostolics in here if they felt anything different at all after they were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins?
Good thread. I think you will find different answers from different folks. How one reacts may have a lot to do with their frame of mind at the time of baptism, their personality, etc.

I think anytime someone is batpized it is a momentous event. I get emotional and teary eyed when total strangers are baptized because of what it symbolizes.

When we take that very physical step to show our allegience to the Lord Jesus Christ by being buried with him in the waters of baptism I think it is something to rejoice and be emotional about.

However that emotion is subject to the personality, etc of the person invovled. For some it may be more of an intellectual, analyical step. They are confident in what they are doing by being baptized as it is following scripture but don't feel any supernatural tingles while doing it.

Others may have more of an emotional personality or may be making such a dramatic shift from an old life of reveling in sin to one identified with Christ that it is a dramatic time.
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?

I was baptised in Jesus' name twice. I was very young the first time and never recieved the Holy Ghost. After a few years, I'd still not been filled with the H.G. Someone suggested that I be baptised again. Perhaps I'd get the H.G. in the water! Well I didn't. Recieving the Holy Ghost was something I struggled with for several years. I left the church when I was a teen-ager to be cool and smoke dope.

In my twenties, thankfully, God drew me back! Several weeks went by and there I was in the alter again seeking the Holy Ghost, but God didn't fill me yet. Doubt came my way. I didn't know what to do!

The day I recieved the Holy Ghost is just like you described in the opener. I was in the clouds! I remember hearing my pastor tell me that I was making it much harder than it should be and when I finally released my entire self to God I remember jumping and shouting and speaking in tongues for I don't know how long. It was indescribable!
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I was baptised in Jesus' name twice. I was very young the first time and never recieved the Holy Ghost. After a few years, I'd still not been filled with the H.G. Someone suggested that I be baptised again. Perhaps I'd get the H.G. in the water! Well I didn't. Recieving the Holy Ghost was something I struggled with for several years. I left the church when I was a teen-ager to be cool and smoke dope.

In my twenties, thankfully, God drew me back! Several weeks went by and there I was in the alter again seeking the Holy Ghost, but God didn't fill me yet. Doubt came my way. I didn't know what to do!

The day I recieved the Holy Ghost is just like you described in the opener. I was in the clouds! I remember hearing my pastor tell me that I was making it much harder than it should be and when I finally released my entire self to God I remember jumping and shouting and speaking in tongues for I don't know how long. It was indescribable!
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:44 AM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?

I think God gives us all different experiences for different reasons. I don't remember feeling anything special when I first spoke in tongues except that I spoke in tongues which was unexpected at the time. The language just flowed out of me with no effort or forethought of my own self.
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I think God gives us all different experiences for different reasons. I don't remember feeling anything special when I first spoke in tongues except that I spoke in tongues which was unexpected at the time. The language just flowed out of me with no effort or forethought of my own self.
For me the baptism of the Holy Ghost was a supernatural event.

I was praying at the altar on my knees with my face in my hands and there was only 1 other person in the church, my room-mate, and he was at the back of the church as it was an early-morning, start your day off with prayer, type of things.

I had been seeking for the Holy Ghost for a while before that day, but that day, all of a sudden the power of God hit me and the next thing I knew, I was on my feet with my knees still bent and my hands up in the air and I could feel the presence of God all around me. I could feel this tangible invisible river of water gushing around my belly, and slowly rising up through my chest, then up my neck, and then when it came out of my mouth, I was speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of the Almighty God was giving me the utterance and it was not I.

It was totally amazing and I give God all the praise and glory for that special, supernatural event!
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?

I have to say that getting baptised was a very physical experience for me. I felt clean and renewed upon being baptised. Of course, I was baptized the same night I repented. I did not get the HG for about a month later. I remember feeling a profound sense of peace when I received the HG. I only spoke a few words in tongues when I first received the HG. Several months later, I prayed in my room to speak in tongues in a quiet atmosphere- to prove to myself that it was not just an emotional experience. A couple of weeks later as I knelt by my bed, I began to speak in tounges.
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When I was water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins, in obedience to Acts 2:38, for the rest of that night I felt good on the inside, clean, light, and almost like a was a little tipsy; and I give God all of the glory for that. I did not have the Holy Ghost at that time but I had faith and had repented of my sins. I did get the Holy Ghost a few months later though.

In my born again walk though, I have come across some who were baptized the same way but in a different church, but did not feel anything different at all after they were baptized.

I've also read of some who were baptized and didn't feel anything different who heard about others who had and to make a long story short, found an apostolic minister who had re-baptized people who had NOT felt anything different and afterwards they did feel different.

So I thought I would ask apostolics in here if they felt anything different at all after they were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins?
I think the change comes in your heart and mind before baptism. When you truly believe...that begins the process of change and baptism is just the evidence of the inward change.

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Re: Change After Water Baptism?

When I was baptized (at around 10 years old) I think people were disappointed that I didn't jump up and down and shout like I was supposed to. I was just relieved that I wouldn't go to hell if God came back right then... it was just a task that I crossed off my list to keep from going to hell.
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?

I felt good after the baptism, but felt bad after a while.

You see, I had already been filled with the Holy Ghost and baptized in Jesus Name. But I wanted to witness to this Methodist Pastor about the truth of baptism in Jesus Name. So I told him that I wanted to be baptized, "just like how I was taught in Japan-- out of the Bible, in the name of Jesus." It had been less than a week from my arrival back in the States from Japan, in the summer of 1997.

He asked me questions and I acted like I was fumbling around the scriptures to find stuff that I knew EXACTLY where to go to prove the point I was trying to make. I was very manipulative in my mannerisms. I was adamant about getting baptized in Jesus Name and the Methodist Pastor had to get his regional Presbyter's permission to do baptize me in this way. In fact, he joined us for the ceremony.

The way I way I went about convincing him to baptize me though was at it's core deceitful on my part.

I am told that I caused that Pastor who baptized me a lot of grief and heartache and that he eventually stopped Pastoring. I was told this by the Presbyter, who after several months asked me point blank if I was being manipulative.

When that Methodist Pastor baptized me, it was my third time getting baptized. I believe I was baptized that time in the Rappahanock River.

I haven't been baptized in water sense.
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