Pastoral Authority....where did it come from?

[MomOfADramaQn]

Originally Posted by Neck

I agree there is a difference in spiritual guidance and control.

When a minister starts down the road of I don't care what I say..

Then the polish and the spiritual authority goes out the door...

There needs to be a real ministerial shake up...

Stop preaching money and start preaching Christ and him crucified.

The preacher that I am referring to has literally said from the pulpit "you can like or lump it or back up and bump it" when he is talking about his "rules"

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by New Guy

Been reading apostolic forums for a long time. Guess a professional lurker. ONe of the things that intrigues me is the doctrine I guess you could call it of pastoral authority. I see this acrsoss all the different apostolic forums I read. My question is where does the bible give the pastor authority over the lives of the people he pastors? I am amazed at the differing degrees that pastors think they can control their parishioners. Where does this come from?

Pretty much comes from the pit of hell. It is human nature that one man would think he should have authority over another. Pride of life is what the Bible calls it.

Blessings, Rhoni

[MissBrattified]

Authority is a biblical concept in its purest form. However, that doesn't mean it isn't abused in the church, just as it is often abused within the home.

The fact that some men abuse their wives does not negate the fact that men are to have authority in their homes. The fact that some parents abuse their children does not negate the commandments for children to obey their parents. The fact that some men abuse their positions in church government does not negate the scriptures that instruct us to submit to those who have the "rule over us."

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Pastors DO have quite a bit of authority as leaders of their particular congregation. It is in the same same vein as the president of the local chapter of "fill in the name" has over their group as well. God recognizes government and grants the pastor authority just as he does the members of your town council or president of the local knitting club.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Pretty much comes from the pit of hell. It is human nature that one man would think he should have authority over another. Pride of life is what the Bible calls it.

Blessings, Rhoni

"Pastoral authority" comes "from the pit of hell?" Please elaborate.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Authority is a biblical concept in its purest form. However, that doesn't mean it isn't abused in the church, just as it is often abused within the home.

The fact that some men abuse their wives does not negate the fact that men are to have authority in their homes. The fact that some parents abuse their children does not negate the commandments for children to obey their parents. The fact that some men abuse their positions in church government does not negate the scriptures that instruct us to submit to those who have the "rule over us."

The issues is: Just who it is it that has the rule over us? I don't believe there is scripture proving that it is the Pastor who has the rule over us, nor should he have. What he should do is HUMBLY SERVE, TEACH, PREACH, READ STUDY, but control the saints...I don't think so!

[MomOfADramaQn]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

"Pastoral authority" comes "from the pit of hell?" Please elaborate.

May I elaborate? Pastors who step over the line in their authority does come from the pit of hell!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The issues is: Just who it is it that has the rule over us? I don't believe there is scripture proving that it is the Pastor who has the rule over us, nor should he have. What he should do id HUMBLY SERVE, TEACH, PREACH, READ STUDY, but control the saints...I don't think so!

Well, you seem to be confusing "authority" with "control." They aren't the same. My husband has authority over me, because I have granted it to him, but he doesn't control me.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn

May I elaborate? Pastors who step over the line in their authority does come from the pit of hell!

Even those who do so ignorantly or thinking they are doing the right thing? I'm not prepared to assign well-meaning pastors who may step over the line a bit to the pits of hell.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

"Pastoral authority" comes "from the pit of hell?" Please elaborate.

The psychology that Pastors use to get control and manipulate the lives of people - outside the mandates of the scriptures is a sin. Sin comes from satan and satan has a pit made for him...as does those men who claim Pastoral authority because of their self-appointed gift of discernment when it comes to lives that are none of their business.is what I want to do to those Pastors.

Blessings, Rhoni