I refuse to remove the landmarks - Page 4

Aquila · #1 03-03-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

That is why I started this thread. I am new to this forum and I know that I will not make any friends with this thread, but I wanted to see how liberal people here were. I have my answer.

Hey, welcome aboard! God bless you bro.

Here's a little about my family. I don't wear shorts unless I'm swimming or at the beach. I wear a T-shirt if in mixed company at the beach or the pool. I do wear short sleeves on occasion. My wife has cut hair just below her shoulders and wears a touch of make-up occasionally. The only jewelry she wears is a wedding band (mine doesn't fit anymore, I lost over 70 pounds last year). She also doesn't wear "pants" unless she's working out (all women). She wouldn't think of wearing pants to church or out and about. Her blouses are conservative in neckline and sleeve length.

Sam · #2 03-03-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

That is why I started this thread. I am new to this forum and I know that I will not make any friends with this thread, but I wanted to see how liberal people here were. I have my answer.

Give us some time before you draw your conclusions.
Some of us have been hit so many times in the same place that we are very sore there and any sudden movement our way causes us to wince involuntarily and throw up our guard before we see just where you are reaching.

Sam · #3 03-03-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

That is why I started this thread. I am new to this forum and I know that I will not make any friends with this thread, but I wanted to see how liberal people here were. I have my answer.

All of us here have convictions and "standards" by which we live.
We do not all have the same convictions and "standards."
We have no right to judge you by our "standards" and we have no right to try to impose our "standards" upon you.
Neither do you have any right to judge us by your "standards" nor to impose your "standards" upon us.

Neck · #4 03-03-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

That is why I started this thread. I am new to this forum and I know that I will not make any friends with this thread, but I wanted to see how liberal people here were. I have my answer.

It is not liberal to shake off weights it is liberating!

Praxeas · #5 03-04-2009, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

There are still a lot of us who agree with you but you won't find them on AFF. Most here have adapted to the easy route.

or maybe they just don't agree with the other Apostolics on what the bible says...you know it's been like that. It isn't some new movement. It's just gaining momentum

Aquila · #6 03-03-2009, 09:44 PM

I agree...the ancient landmarks aren't the cultural dress standards of the 1840's, 1940's, or 1950's. Nor are they eccentric teachings about hair (don't get me started on this one).

The ancient Landmarks, in my opinion are ....

I. Acts 2:38

1. Repentance
2. Jesus name baptism
3. Holy Ghost infilling with speaking in other tongues

II. Loving the Lord your God will all your heart

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. (Oneness)
2. You shall not make idols or bow down to them, nor serve them. (Exclusive Christianity)
3. You shall not use the name of the Lord your God disrespectfully.(Reverence and Jesus name)
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Worship)

III. Loving your neighbor as yourself

5. Honor your father and your mother. (Family)
6. You shall not murder. (Value of Life)
7. You shall not commit adultery. (Value of Marriage)
8. You shall not steal. (Respecting the property of others)
9. You shall not lie about your neighbor. (Honest)
10. You shall not lust for your neighbor's house, or his wife, or any
thing that is your neighbor's. (Contentment)

All the "standards" we embrace are not "biblical". They too are a snapshot of what was culturally expected when the movement was in it's beginnings.

IV. Christian modesty

1. In dress
2. In attitude
3. In lifestyle

bhoutreach · #7 03-03-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I agree...the ancient landmarks aren't the cultural dress standards of the 1840's, 1940's, or 1950's. Nor are they eccentric teachings about hair (don't get me started on this one).

The ancient Landmarks, in my opinion are ....

I. Love the Lord your God will all your heart

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. (Oneness)
2. You shall not make idols or bow down to them, nor serve them. (Exclusive Christianity)
3. You shall not use the name of the Lord your God disrespectfully.(Reverence and Jesus name)
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Worship)

II. Love your neighbor as yourself.

5. Honor your father and your mother. (Family)
6. You shall not murder. (Value of Life)
7. You shall not commit adultery. (Value of Marriage)
8. You shall not steal. (Respecting the property of others)
9. You shall not lie about your neighbor. (Honest)
10. You shall not lust for your neighbor's house, or his wife, or any
thing that is your neighbor's. (Contentment)

All the "standards" we embrace are not "biblical". They too are a snapshot of what was culturally expected when the movement was in it's beginnings.

I would totally agree that the dress standards (holiness ) from the 1840,1940 or 50's . They are much older than that. However a women can dress like a women, in dresses and skirts and still look fashionable. A man can look like a man and still look trendy. Then biggest problem is that teaching on this subject has been harsh and hurtful in the past.

I agree with every thing you mentioned as landmarks. But we can not leave off ones we do not like.

GOD BLESS

Aquila · #8 03-03-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

I would totally agree that the dress standards (holiness ) from the 1840,1940 or 50's . They are much older than that. However a women can dress like a women, in dresses and skirts and still look fashionable. A man can look like a man and still look trendy. Then biggest problem is that teaching on this subject has been harsh and hurtful in the past.

I agree with every thing you mentioned as landmarks. But we can not leave off ones we do not like.

GOD BLESS

Do you believe that a man could wear women's slacks?

bhoutreach · #9 03-03-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you believe that a man could wear women's slacks?

NO I am not. How ever It is clear that there should be clothing that is distinctly mens and distinctly womens.

If women have dress and skirts. Plus wear pants. Then men have nothing that is distinct to men. This is a problem.

Aquila · #10 03-03-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

NO I am not. How ever It is clear that there should be clothing that is distinctly mens and distinctly womens.

If women have dress and skirts. Plus wear pants. Then men have nothing that is distinct to men. This is a problem.

lol

You know we're just having a good conversation. I mean no offense in any of this, though I might use some strong words at some point to drive home a point. If women's "pants" aren't distinctively female then you're asserting that men can wear them. If you argue that men shouldn't wear women's pants, you're affirming that women's pants are distinctively female. Besides, my studies have indicated that pants were originally designed in ancient China for women working in the rice patties. The Chinese cavalry eventually took these pants and began wearing them as part of horse riding attire. Soon this caught on through most of the civilized world as part of riding attire, primarily worn by military men on horseback. Interestingly, hose were originally worn by men...but today are strictly worn by women. lol

I'm curious, where do you believe that the Bible requires this "distinction"?