IS THAT A REAL QUESTION? They're unrepentant of their homosexuality. Then there's that Chandler guy that used to post. He was a tongue talker in a gay denomination.
Then he apparently prophesied that the denomination would disband. Then he left homosexuality. Then he went to the AoG. Then he disappeared from forum life. Do you remember him? Since you brought up the topic of reprobates.
I remember him. He was not practicing homosexuality. I did not bring up the topic of reprobates
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I just got in from a bday party. The party was at a church that is across the street from a gay club/bar. The club is a really small building. Place was packed out. Cars all along the street. Strange. That place never has so much as a full parking lot. I almost felt sorry for them. And I began to think, have they heard the gospel? Did they hear the good news and reject it? How many are wanting a way out but bought into the lie that they were born that way? How many don't know that JESUS can deliver them? Were they predestined to reprobation? It was a sobering drive home to say the least.
I don't believe in predestination. This topic is about tongues.
Gay pentecostals not only claim to speak in tongues but as a congregation exhibit other gifts.
On the other hand, I am sure not everyone that spoke in tongues in our ranks really spoke in tongues. I have witnessed more than my share of tongue teachers in our ranks, encouraging others to fake it. These people seem to be mislead to believe that as long as they babble something that was the genuine deal and a sign of the baptism of the Spirit.
Do these gay Pentecostals really speak in tongues?
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Other religious groups been observed to practice some form of theopneustic glossolalia. It is perhaps most commonly in Paganism, Shamanism, and other mediumistic religious practices.[65] In Japan, the God Light Association used to practice glossolalia to cause adherents to recall past lives.[66]
Glossolalia has even been postulated as an explanation for the Voynich manuscript.[67]
There are some who consider the following in Judaism to be some form of glossolalia:
Various rituals and references exist about prayer of people not familiar with the holy language, and the importance of prayers said by people who only know how to mumble the words without understanding them. In the 17th century it was said in the name of the Baal Shem Tov upon hearing the prayer of someone who instead of praising God who blesses the years (HaShanim) praised God who blesses the women (HaNashim). He said that this person's prayers are the highest and holiest. The texts to be recited during the Shavuot celebrations (original ceremony of Pentecost) must be read in the original Hebrew directly from the Bible, even if the person reading it does not understand the meaning.[68]
Certain Gnostic magical texts from the Roman period have written on them unintelligible syllables such as "t t t t n n n n d d d d d..." etc. It is conjectured that these may be transliterations of the sorts of sounds made during glossolalia. The Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians also features a hymn of (mostly) unintelligible syllables which is thought to be an early example of Christian glossolalia.[citation needed]
In the 19th century, Spiritism was developed by the work of Allan Kardec, and the phenomenon was seen as one of the self-evident manifestations of spirits. Spiritists argued that some cases were actually cases of xenoglossia (from Greek,xenos, stranger; and glossa, language. When one speaks in a language unknown to him).
Glossolalia has also been observed in the Voodoo religion of Haiti,[69] as well as in the Hindu Gurus and Fakirs of India.[70][71]
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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My grandfather who evangelized, pastored and founded churches for over 50 years told me a story that might relate to this topic.
One time a woman was at the alter "speaking in tongues".
People were rejoicing, but he did not feel that something was right.
He went over to pray with her and when he began praying, she began screaming.
He stopped praying and she went back to speaking in tongues.
He said that he realized he was dealing with a demonic spirit and he began praying to cast out the demon.
He stated that in a few minutes she began speaking in tongues, but with a smile on her face.
He believed that the devil had imitated the Holy Ghost, in this instance.
Thoughts?
Possible I'm sure. A bit subjective too though given people screaming at Pentecostal churches is not uncommon, and feelings and smiles may also be counterfeited...
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Originally Posted by aegsm76
My grandfather who evangelized, pastored and founded churches for over 50 years told me a story that might relate to this topic.
One time a woman was at the alter "speaking in tongues".
People were rejoicing, but he did not feel that something was right.
He went over to pray with her and when he began praying, she began screaming.
He stopped praying and she went back to speaking in tongues.
He said that he realized he was dealing with a demonic spirit and he began praying to cast out the demon.
He stated that in a few minutes she began speaking in tongues, but with a smile on her face.
He believed that the devil had imitated the Holy Ghost, in this instance.
Thoughts?
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
My grandfather who evangelized, pastored and founded churches for over 50 years told me a story that might relate to this topic.
One time a woman was at the alter "speaking in tongues".
People were rejoicing, but he did not feel that something was right.
He went over to pray with her and when he began praying, she began screaming.
He stopped praying and she went back to speaking in tongues.
He said that he realized he was dealing with a demonic spirit and he began praying to cast out the demon.
He stated that in a few minutes she began speaking in tongues, but with a smile on her face.
He believed that the devil had imitated the Holy Ghost, in this instance.
Thoughts?
I've saw a man with a demon speak in tongues once. Completely different than someone who is filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues.
Homosexuality is a condition of ones present state of being which is in direct contradiction to Gods word and covenant and spiritual principles pertaining to the natural law of God established between a man and a woman. It is described as an abomination which is more than just a sin.
I disagree with the characterization that abomination and sin is different. What is an abomination? Anything that God hates. Proverbs 6 says, "Six things does the Lord hate, yes seven are an abomination to Him". Is there a sin God doesn't hate? God hates all sin. All sin is an abomination to the Holy One. I only contend here because I have heard this line of reasoning to classify homosexuality in a category judging it as "one of the REALLY bad sins." But Proverbs 6 says lying, arrogance, sowing discord, having feet swift to mischief, dishonesty, shedding innocent blood are all things that are an abomination. I think we all are probably guilty of at least one of those sins. So if an abomination is an abomination you can't say the homosexual is engaged in sin any worse than your own. If not careful we can use a bias against homosexuality to have the attitude, "Well at least I don't do that." It is an extremely repulsive idea to those of us who do not struggle with same sex attraction at the perversion that homosexual sex is. But heterosexual sex outside of marriage is a perversion in God's sight too. Its just we can relate to its temptation so subconsciously we like to think its a sin "but not an abomination". God hates homosexual sex, He hates heterosexual fornication too. Both are abominable.
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You can't judge someones personal experience whether they are true or false by outward signs. Only God knows the heart.
Totally agree here.
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Tongues and appearances are not the way to have confidence in whether someone knows the Lord or not much less whether they have the Holy Ghost.
GOOD LORD! We had a campmeeting full of people who supposedly had the HG who couldn't discern that Sacha Cohen, although "speaking in tongues" was just faking it. Tongues are sign to unbelievers, not to believers, yet we have come up with this notion that tongues is for believers to all syand around and say, "Aha! There it is! Its official! They are now one of us! Welcome to the club, buddy!" Not scriptural.
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All I can say from life experience its self is this. In the full gospel movements there is more confusion and division than I have ever seen in any other christian identity. The people whom I have know that I have great confidence that they are real have been those people that had a spirit of love and meekness toward all things. They were the kind of people that you wanted to spend all day with.
Really great point. I 100% agree.
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