Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

[shazeep]

i have no proof here, but have read commentary on the passage that said basically that this law, like many others in that degenerate Jewish period, was being abused to the patriarchs' advantage.

[Sean]

Jfrog, what a slick idea. All you need to do is "split up" the adulterers to "nullify" the Law completely in your interpretation. Hmmm.

Maybe we can apply that same concept in Leviticus when homos lie together or when a human lies with an animal. Just let one get away and the other one gets automatically spared.

Maybe Jesus was writing in the sand, "where is the guy she was with?"(so he could use this "stipulation" to get her out of trouble).....even though he really said," let Him that is without sin...."(nothing to do with the guy)

You think this is ridiculous, but this is what I have heard consistently from pulpits for nearly 35 years.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jfrog, what a slick idea. All you need to do is "split up" the adulterers to "nullify" the Law completely in your interpretation. Hmmm.

Maybe we can apply that same concept in Leviticus when homos lie together or when a human lies with an animal. Just let one get away and the other one gets automatically spared.

Maybe Jesus was writing in the sand, "where is the guy she was with?"(so he could use this "stipulation" to get her out of trouble).....even though he really said," let Him that is without sin...."(nothing to do with the guy)

You think this is ridiculous, but this is what I have heard consistently from pulpits for nearly 35 years.

I heard it once that he was writing the sins of those present, so when the time when for the stoning, none of them was able to cast a stone, for they saw their sins in his writings.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Sean, Jesus didnt break that law by letting the adulteress go free. Jesus pointed out that she shouldn't be put to death if the man involved wasnt also. The law you quoted says they both shall be put to death. Without both being pit to death that law cannot be followed.

Are you implying that Jesus would have ordered her stoning if the man was brought before him too???

[Aquila]

The real issue is that the Pharisees were trying to trap Jesus. Under Roman law the Jewish authorities had no authority to issue a death sentence that wasn't approved by the Roman governor. They wanted to trap Jesus by tricking Him into ordering her execution. Had Jesus done this... they would have reported it to the Roman authorities and had Jesus arrested and tried for sedition.

Jesus handled it quite well, turning the tables on them, condemning their sin, and forgiving the woman's sin all at the same time. Also notice... Christ wrote in the sand twice. As was custom, Jesus wrote their accusation. Then He spoke and wrote His verdict. If no one could find fault with the verdict... the verdict stood.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by jfrog View Post
Sean, Jesus didnt break that law by letting the adulteress go free. Jesus pointed out that she shouldn't be put to death if the man involved wasnt also. The law you quoted says they both shall be put to death. Without both being pit to death that law cannot be followed.QUOTE


Are you implying that Jesus would have ordered her stoning if the man was brought before him too???QUOTE(aquila)
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OOH, good question, now why didnt I think of that!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are you implying that Jesus would have ordered her stoning if the man was brought before him too???

Ordered? I wouldn't use that word. I'm just sayin we don't know if he would have interfered with the stoning if the man was also present.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The real issue is that the Pharisees were trying to trap Jesus. Under Roman law the Jewish authorities had no authority to issue a death sentence that wasn't approved by the Roman governor. They wanted to trap Jesus by tricking Him into ordering her execution. Had Jesus done this... they would have reported it to the Roman authorities and had Jesus arrested and tried for sedition.

Jesus handled it quite well, turning the tables on them, condemning their sin, and forgiving the woman's sin all at the same time. Also notice... Christ wrote in the sand twice. As was custom, Jesus wrote their accusation. Then He spoke and wrote His verdict. If no one could find fault with the verdict... the verdict stood.

Well said and interesting.

[Light]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Ordered? I wouldn't use that word. I'm just sayin we don't know if he would have interfered with the stoning if the man was also present.

Jesus was prohibited from executing punishment of sinners by God.

In the 11th chapter of Isaiah God reveals what Jesus role would be while on earth in verses 1 through 3. Verses 4 through 16 concern the end time.


Isa 11:1    And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch (Jesus) shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2    And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3    And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

Isa 42:1    Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2    He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isa 42:3    A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Ordered? I wouldn't use that word. I'm just sayin we don't know if he would have interfered with the stoning if the man was also present.

I believe that you are missing the point my friends. This wasn't about the woman's adultery. It wasn't about the Law of Moses and to stone or not to stone. This was indeed a political trap designed to ruin Jesus. You see, had Jesus agreed with the Law of Moses and ordered her stoning, they could have had Jesus arrested by the Roman authorities and executed for murder; seeing that no Jewish authority was authorized to issue executions. However, if Jesus would have ordered the woman to go free... He would have been in contempt of the Law of Moses and religiously discredited as a rabbi. They were poised to either destroy Jesus one way or another. However, Jesus turned the tables. Christ rightfully convicted her. Then He set the standard of her execution. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." Because of these words, the Pharisees and Sadducees had to examine their own hearts before God. And no man is sinless before God. However, we know that the Pharisees prided themselves on being pure and sinless. Thus the Pharisees were put in a pickle. Either acknowledge that they too are sinners before God... and allow the woman to live. Or... continue in their hypocrisy of professed sinless perfection and execute her themselves... against Roman law.

Jesus turned the tables and things got real.