Scoffers on AFF - Page 43

shazeep · #**421** 10-06-2015, 07:51 PM

humility, personified

Sean · #**422** 10-06-2015, 08:25 PM

Who?

Little ol me?

LOL

Evang.Benincasa · #**423** 10-06-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Okay guys, class is in session....

Subject...the Gifts of the Spirit and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ...

1 Cor 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Subject....The Gifts of the Spirit and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ....

13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known

Thanks for your attention class, you are dismissed.

Sean don't you remember that you flunked this class in the eschatology section of this forum? 1st Corinthians 13 isn't talking about eschatology, but something you lack greatly which is the Love of God working through you to bring you to maturity. You are just a hate filled religious sop, who can't stand being wrong. Therefore instead of being a defender of the faith, you are just a defender of Sean.

Evang.Benincasa · #**424** 10-06-2015, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Who?

Little ol me?

LOL

See.

Sean always focused on Sean.

Evang.Benincasa · #**425** 10-06-2015, 11:18 PM

Sean · #**426** 10-06-2015, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean don't you remember that you flunked this class in the eschatology section of this forum? 1st Corinthians 13 isn't talking about eschatology, but something you lack greatly which is the Love of God working through you to bring you to maturity. You are just a hate filled religious sop, who can't stand being wrong. Therefore instead of being a defender of the faith, you are just a defender of Sean.

That is the dumbest thing you have ever brought to the open Benincasa.

Even David Bernard teaches the verse is about the 2nd coming.

You think that mature Christians gravitate from the Gifts, according to the context of the passage......

LOLOLOL

This is your idiotic doctrine....

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect(maturity in Christ) is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The only reason you would come to the conclusion that this is the way you believe is the belief you have in preterism.

It shakes your doctrine, when you think of the ending of the gifts, when and only when Jesus returns!

J.A. Perez · #**427** 10-07-2015, 12:56 AM

2 Peter 3:2-14

2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

How does this have anything to do with the 70ad destruction of Israel?

If the example was told by the Prophets and then The Apostle(s),(Verse 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour

that the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished, and the second Fire. In the first all living things were destroyed and in the future all things including the very elements will be burned up

How then does someone go from a literal flood to a spiritual fire?

Sean · #**428** 10-07-2015, 09:33 AM

How then does someone go from a literal flood to a spiritual fire?

Metaphors my friend, metaphors......LOL

Godsdrummer · #**429** 10-07-2015, 09:51 AM

10/7/2015
2 Peter 3:10
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Many take this passage and try to imply that the earth, this planet, and all that goes with it will be destroyed. That it will be dissolved by fire. And then God will create a new planet that is perfect, without sin. There are several things wrong with this thinking, and I wonder how they reconcile several things written in this passage. But I will only deal with this one verse, for in this verse there are still several issues that seem to be over looked.
First the issue of the day of the Lord. What is the day of the Lord? I have in my life heard several teachings on the meaning of the day of the Lord. The first one is the teaching that the day of the Lord is the rapture. A term I might add that is not found in scripture, nor with careful study is only found in the imagination of the minds that teach this.
But let us not just leave this idea with regards to my way of thinking. According to these teachers Christ is going to return to earth, and resurrect all the dead in Christ and rapture all those that are living and take them to a place they perceive as heaven. Now here is the problem with this thinking. In regards to the rapture, they take the part of this passage in verse 10, “the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night” and apply it to the rapture. There is a big problem with this for the day of the Lord is a coming in judgment. They try to get around this by splitting the coming of the Lord into at least two comings, with a period of tribulation in between. Of course this poses another problem, they cannot agree if the supposed rapture happens before this tribulation, in the middle or at the end. Yet the biggest problem with all of this is that they teach that at the end of this tribulation, Christ returns and set up a 1000 year reign on the earth, and still the earth is not destroyed until after the 1000 years.
All of this in the face of Peter writing that the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, and the heavens and earth pass away with a fervent heat. How can all this happen in the short period of time implied by Peter in this passage? It cannot.
Instead of defending a theology that has so many holes in it, why not go back to scripture and rethink your theology?

Godsdrummer · #**430** 10-07-2015, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean don't you remember that you flunked this class in the eschatology section of this forum? 1st Corinthians 13 isn't talking about eschatology, but something you lack greatly which is the Love of God working through you to bring you to maturity. You are just a hate filled religious sop, who can't stand being wrong. Therefore instead of being a defender of the faith, you are just a defender of Sean.

EB, don't use big words on Sean he does not understand them.