Scoffers on AFF

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Loren, I am trying to tell you that the passage is covering the entire church age, into the Millienial.

Do you actually think that the world is everlastingly righteous?("and to bring in everlasting righteousness")

Loren, it is not even "hypothetically" righteous.

If you think that the Lord is simply, slowly but surely working on it, then He is slow as molasses.(2000 years of less righteousness)

Sean Sean, Sean, where does it say the world would be righteous? Are you righteous? Does the spirit of God make one righteous? Did the cross and the work of the cross give you access to be right in the eyes of God? Is not the promise of salvation for all time?

Originally Posted by Sean

The point is Loren, the world is NOT righteous, and the Lord has had 2000 years to spread righteousness as it spirals out of control from spiritual to carnal unrighteousness.

Doesn't that make you wonder?

Is being a preterist that big a deal to you to, override reality?

With this in mind, you are not defending your preconcieved opinion of scripture to defend preterism?

I just look at world events and society and realize how satanic and sin sick our world is getting when I read the verse.
Either the Word of God lied to us, or the King of Righteousness has not returned yet.

I guess then you don't think Christ was the king of righteousness and he did not come. I am beginning to think that If you lived in the time of Christ you would have been a Pharisee and taken part in putting Christ on the cross. Because the same scriptures you attempt to use for a second coming were the same scriptures they used to justify crucifying the Christ.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Sean Sean, Sean, where does it say the world would be righteous?


Right here....when He comes in His kingdom.....

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying,....

According to this passage, the world will be purged of unrighteousness when Jesus comes, Right?




Are you righteous? Does the spirit of God make one righteous? Did the cross and the work of the cross give you access to be right in the eyes of God? Is not the promise of salvation for all time?


Yes, to a few of us, but we are talking about a particular time that the whole world will be subjected to the Righteous ONE!

Try not to confuse the events, Loren.


I guess then you don't think Christ was the king of righteousness and he did not come. I am beginning to think that If you lived in the time of Christ you would have been a Pharisee and taken part in putting Christ on the cross. Because the same scriptures you attempt to use for a second coming were the same scriptures they used to justify crucifying the Christ.

He is to me Loren, but He WILL be the King of righteouness to the entire world and to ALL mankind, just try to be patient, okay?

[Godsdrummer]

an 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


I don't know Sean, I guess you cannot count, or something. The prophecy, was that all six of the points in verse 24 would be fulfilled within the 70 week time period. The prophecy was then so specific as to set the starting point for the 70 weeks. "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks". We can trace the time line from the command to restore Jerusalem to the time of the baptism of Christ to be exactly 69 weeks. Leaving the last week for Christ to complete and fulfill the six points of verse 24.

And since you seem to be hung up on the everlasting righteousness, look at these verses.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2Co_9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

Christ brought righteousness into the world, and his righteousness is forever. It that not everlasting righteousness?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

an 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


I don't know Sean, I guess you cannot count, or something. The prophecy, was that all six of the points in verse 24 would be fulfilled within the 70 week time period. The prophecy was then so specific as to set the starting point for the 70 weeks. "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks". We can trace the time line from the command to restore Jerusalem to the time of the baptism of Christ to be exactly 69 weeks. Leaving the last week for Christ to complete and fulfill the six points of verse 24.

And since you seem to be hung up on the everlasting righteousness, look at these verses.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2Co_9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

Christ brought righteousness into the world, and his righteousness is forever. It that not everlasting righteousness?

Again Loren, only a few saints are righteous now.

The whole world will be FORCED into righteousness, when Jesus Christ returns.

You must kinda think that what we see today is the best that our God can ever do.

I got news for you....our Bible says Jesus will bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, and ONLY allow the righteous to inhabit the earth.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

The whole world will be FORCED into righteousness, when Jesus Christ returns.

yikes

[Sean]

"yikes" is actually a good thing here, shazeep.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yikes

If disp teaching says it, can't question it, even if can't validate it, you know. It's the most magisterium style of doctrine there is. No apostolic would handle salvation the way prophecy is handled by disp.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

an 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


I don't know Sean, I guess you cannot count, or something. The prophecy, was that all six of the points in verse 24 would be fulfilled within the 70 week time period. The prophecy was then so specific as to set the starting point for the 70 weeks. "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks". We can trace the time line from the command to restore Jerusalem to the time of the baptism of Christ to be exactly 69 weeks. Leaving the last week for Christ to complete and fulfill the six points of verse 24.

And since you seem to be hung up on the everlasting righteousness, look at these verses.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2Co_9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

Christ brought righteousness into the world, and his righteousness is forever. It that not everlasting righteousness?

It's not about the cross in dispensationalism.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Okay, you asked for it....

Ezekiel 38King James Version (KJV)

38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.





Looks a little bit physical to me!!!!




Want more?

Never saw one instance anywhere here of him ruling by being on earth.

[Sean]

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.





Howbout that?


If Jesus is not physically reigning, then neither are WE!




Want more?