It isn't faith that saves us, it's grace that saves us; faith is just the means through which grace saves. The Bible doesn't say "by faith you were saved." Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast" (emphasis mine).
Faith can also save without the mention of grace.
Lu 7:50
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Lu 18:42
And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
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So, you're ripping this passage out of its context to say that it is OUR FAITH that saves us and NOT God's grace? (NOTE THAT THIS IS A QUESTION, NOT A STATEMENT).
IF SO, THEN....
Ah, yes, the modern gospel of "All you have to do is believe." How many souls will be burning in the lake of fire if that's what you're preaching?
This coming from someone who constantly accuses people of claiming that he's said something they received by implication, and now he does it to someone else.
Chan, know what assumption does?
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Originally Posted by Pragmatist
I don't remember the first time I trimmed my hair. I never felt a sense of loss and it never bothered me. My only concern was what other church members thought .
Maybe that was the convicting power of the HOLY GHOST making you feel that way.
If you ask me, this is the most disgusting attitude, concept, and perspective in the entire religious culture of the apostolic church!
Who on earth do you think you are by trying to dress up the grace and mercy of God with the black robes of judgement?
Well, I guess we can just throw scripture out the window..."there is therefore now no condemnation to those who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit."
The last time I checked, God did not use the judgement and condemnation of man to influence or even force people into subjection, I would even go so far as to say it is religious oppression and legalism at its worst and it makes me sick!
Great post. . .
The bolded part brings up something I remember from when I was younger and questioned the 'hair issue'. . .how long is long? It was explained to me this way: One person's interpretation of long hair/how long can be very different from the next. As long as hair was uncut, then it's long. . .however long it grows on its own w/out having been cut.
I have no idea who defined it that way, but it really makes no sense. The reason being, most men cut their hair about every 6-8 weeks. This means their hair is uncut during that time, making them fit the definition of 'long' as defined above.
I had my head shaved for brain surgery after having hair to my bum for several years. I visited my mom's church about two months later and was shocked when someone made the comment 'Don't worry, your hair is long in God's eyes' to me!! I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying, 'What???'
Tis true. My hair was uncut for about five months after my surgery, meaning that I had long hair during that time, in spite of the fact that my hair is longer today, yet I just had it trimmed last week. Go figure.
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Maybe that was the convicting power of the HOLY GHOST making you feel that way.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say that to me.......LOL!
Why is this a typical response when someone is concerned about what other people think? I would think if it was the Holy Ghost convicting her, she'd have felt a loss or something like a guilty conscience when she had it cut, yet she denies this in her post.
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If you ask me, this is the most disgusting attitude, concept, and perspective in the entire religious culture of the apostolic church!
Who on earth do you think you are by trying to dress up the grace and mercy of God with the black robes of judgement?
Well, I guess we can just throw scripture out the window..."there is therefore now no condemnation to those who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit."
The last time I checked, God did not use the judgement and condemnation of man to influence or even force people into subjection, I would even go so far as to say it is religious oppression and legalism at its worst and it makes me sick!
You should learn how to speak your mind and quit beating around the bush all the time!
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"there is therefore now no condemnation to those who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit."
You know, I've heard conviction preached about in relation to someone doing something that was preached against, especially standards, yet the word 'conviction' isn't even in the Bible. Where does that teaching come from?
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You should learn how to speak your mind and quit beating around the bush all the time!
It doesn't happen very often, but sometimes someone puts a wolverene under my saddle and this is one of those times...
How many people do you think this kind of attitude has chased away from the church?
I would venture a guess...quite a few.
This is why so many preachers don't have to preach standards anymore, there are enough people in the congregation with the power of a condemning look to maintain compliance for them.
I have no idea who defined it that way, but it really makes no sense. The reason being, most men cut their hair about every 6-8 weeks. This means their hair is uncut during that time, making them fit the definition of 'long' as defined above.
I had my head shaved for brain surgery after having hair to my bum for several years. I visited my mom's church about two months later and was shocked when someone made the comment 'Don't worry, your hair is long in God's eyes' to me!! I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying, 'What???'
Tis true. My hair was uncut for about five months after my surgery, meaning that I had long hair during that time, in spite of the fact that my hair is longer today, yet I just had it trimmed last week. Go figure.
I think the definition of long is simply to allow it to be as long as it can get....
BTW the greek word there is not the greek word for long...it's actually one greek word translated "long hair", not two greek words for long and hair and is only used in these two verses
Vines says signifies "to let the hair grow long, to wear long hair,"
You know, I've heard conviction preached about in relation to someone doing something that was preached against, especially standards, yet the word 'conviction' isn't even in the Bible. Where does that teaching come from?
Joh 8:9 And hearing, and being convicted by conscience, they went out one by one, beginning at the oldest, until the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
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