Going back to the UPC

[GodsBabyGirl]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

You'd be surprised at the animosity of Apostolics in Non denominational churches. If JT's wife just attended the church and kept her standards and wasnt active in the church, trust me, I KNOW, sooner or later those spirits would come after her.

Some may openly ask her why she doesnt wear this or that or do this or that.

Then the persecution would begin...she thinks she is holier than us? I mean our 1st lady wears pants and make up, who does she think she is????

If JT's wife is gonna stick to what she believes God is telling her in regards to 'standards' she and her daughter will do much better off staying at a church that teaches such from the pulpit...

When Apostolic women adhere to standards they get questions from unsaved folks as well. And that is okay. They see a difference and want to know what is it.

But in non denom churches, she is immediately spotted and watched. I believe it is because the ladies in many non denom churches are actually intimidated by the standards Apostolic women adhere to. It makes them question what they believe and adhere or dont adhere to.

And many are not ready for that type of confrontation and re-evaluation of what they believe. So instead of introspectively and honestly asking themselves questions, they will come at you. I have experienced this on more than one occassion. And the persecution that comes afterwards is no joke...

JT wife could be accused of not walking in love or unity if she dont come down off her high horse and wear pants or go see 'Meet the Browns' at the movies.

I think it is wonderful what JT is doing. You are a good man for putting your wife's spiritual well being ahead of yours....

God Bless You!

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I'm curious about those that have made comments about disagreeing with the pastor what exactly is meant by disagreeing.

We do not follow standards and I plan on telling my daughter that we disagree with the pastor in that area. I don't think that's undermining his spiritual authority. What say ye?

I have no problem with telling your daughter that you disagree with what ever points that you do (however if you were to disagree with most things, I have trouble understanding why you would go to the church), but the problem comes when a parent is belittling, critical or mocking of the Pastor. Anything that would undermine her respect for him or the ministry in general.

If you cannot show a respect for the Pastor of whatever assembly you are in, you are far better off to change to a church where you can have that respect. IMHO.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I understand what he's saying - his wife didn't want to disappoint her father. We've all been there.

She didn't marry her father: she married him.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

I have no problem with telling your daughter that you disagree with what ever points that you do (however if you were to disagree with most things, I have trouble understanding why you would go to the church), but the problem comes when a parent is belittling, critical or mocking of the Pastor. Anything that would undermine her respect for him or the ministry in general.

If you cannot show a respect for the Pastor of whatever assembly you are in, you are far better off to change to a church where you can have that respect. IMHO.

I do believe it is easy to be CRITICAL of a pastor without mocking or belittling. A child needs to know that his or her parents have far more authority over THEM then anyone behind a pulpit while at the same time being taught they need to respect authority -whether it be a preacher or one of their school teachers.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Rico

She didn't marry her father: she married him.

Many will not leave the UPC because of their family, friends and network ... it's a reality ... part of the very strong group dynamic ...

You are right she married him ... but Dad is still Dad.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I do believe it is easy to be CRITICAL of a pastor without mocking or belittling. A child needs to know that his or her parents have far more authority over THEM then anyone behind a pulpit while at the same time being taught they need to respect authority -whether it be a preacher or one of their school teachers.

Yep. There is a promise for honoring our mother and father.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

Rico, you'd be surprised at the animosity of Apostolics in Non denominational churches. If JT's wife just attended the church and kept her standards and wasnt active in the church, trust me, I KNOW, sooner or later those spirits would come after her.

Some may openly ask her why she doesnt wear this or that or do this or that.

Then the persecution would begin...she thinks she is holier than us? I mean our 1st lady wears pants and make up, who does she think she is????

If JT's wife is gonna stick to what she believes God is telling her in regards to 'standards' she and her daughter will do much better off staying at a church that teaches such from the pulpit...

Sister, I couldn't disagree with you more if I tried. Non standard keepers rarely, if ever, attack others who keep dress standards. I wish the opposite were true. I have seen way more attacking of non standard keepers by standard keepers.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, I couldn't disagree with you more if I tried. Non standard keepers rarely, if ever, attack others who keep dress standards. I wish the opposite were true. I have seen way more attacking of non standard keepers by standard keepers.

Of course this is probably the truth.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

I think some men have the idea that the only way to lead your home is to take the "it's my way or the highway" chest banging caveman approach.

Sometimes the most affective form of leadership is being able to compromise when the situation calls for it. And if he is willing to compromise for the sake of harmony in his home, and it doesn't require him to break principles within himself to do so, well, in my opinion, he is a mighty BIG man!

What if the situation were reversed, and he wanted to go to the standards church and she wanted to stay with the non standards crowd?

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Rico

What if the situation were reversed, and he wanted to go to the standards church and she wanted to stay with the non standards crowd?

All of my stated positions in this thread have nothing to do with standards or organization. They stand in whatever position you are coming from.