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Old 02-21-2007, 12:08 AM
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NO BRO....I am talking about the essential of Jesus NAme Baptism and the Holy Ghost

JB believes saved after the sinners prayer.
I think he believes in true repentance .... and believes the repentant sinner will be baptized and will be with the baptism of the HG.
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:10 AM
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I think he believes in true repentance .... and believes the repentant sinner will be baptized and will be with the baptism of the HG.

Thats not what I said...he believes you are SAVED at repentance and that the other is subsequent to salvation.
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:13 AM
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:14 AM
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and I'm complaining about an 89 dollar gas bill and a 20 dollar electric bill. ha
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:16 AM
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PCI???
Nope...left UPC and went Charismatic.
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:18 AM
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Thats not what I said...he believes you are SAVED at repentance and that the other is subsequent to salvation.
I know that's what you said ... I think he will tell you are that we're saved when we enter heaven's door ... and that it can happen before jumping through the 'hoops' set up by some folks ... repentance brings forgiveness of sins ... declaring us righteous ... thus making it possible for someone entering the Kingdom if death were to take that individual prior to obey all of God's other commandments.

... that's just a another misconception that 3 steppers have ... or is it???
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:19 AM
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I know that's what you said ... I think he will tell you are that we're saved when we enter heaven's door ... that's just a another misconception that 3 steppers have ... or is it???
No this one.
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:19 AM
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:21 AM
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From the website of JB

What We Believe:

· WE BELIEVE in the one ever living, eternal God, infinite in power, holy in nature, and revealing Himself to man by the offices of the father, son, and holy spirit. (I Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, and I John 5:7).

· WE BELIEVE that our Lord Jesus Christ was begotten, not created, very God of very God, truly God, truly man. He was born of the Virgin Mary, lived a sinless life, died a vicarious and atoning death for the sins of the world, resurrected bodily for our justification, and now reigns in glory until all things be put under his feet.

· WE BELIEVE in the absolute inspiration of the Holy Scriptures, given by the Holy Spirit without error, as He moved upon holy men of old. Furthermore, we believe that the church has no authority to establish doctrine or practice contrary to these same scriptures, which were subsequently accepted as canon by the early Christian Church. (II Timothy 3:16, II Peter 1:20, 21)

· WE BELIEVE that man was made in the image of God and is the crown of creation. He is now, by reason of the fall spiritually depraved and alienated from his Creator. Apart from God's grace he has no ability to attain to his high calling.

· WE BELIEVE that justification is by grace through faith in our Lord's sacrifice on Calvary.

· WE BELIEVE in the Bible standard of salvation: by acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Savior and Lord of our life - resulting in water and Spirit baptism. (Acts 2:38, John 3:18, Romans 10:9, 10)

· WE BELIEVE that all God's people are to be buried with Christ in the waters of baptism. While we embrace those of contrary opinion, we feel that this rite is scripturally administered "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." (Acts 22:16, Acts 4:12, Act 2:38)

· WE BELIEVE that the Holy Spirit indwells all believers, conforming them to the image of Jesus Christ.

· WE BELIEVE that the baptism in the Holy Spirit is an endowment of power, given by God to anoint the believer for sanctification and evangelism, and is evidenced by speaking in tongues. It is our understanding that the supernatural charisma of the Holy Spirit are active within the body of Christ until the coming of the Lord. Furthermore, we believe the development of these charismatic gifts should be encouraged under the guidance of local church authorities. (Acts 2:4, Act 2:38)

· WE BELIEVE that the callings of the Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher are functional within the body of Christ until the Lord's return. Furthermore, these ministries are gifts of the church for the purpose of equipping the saints for the work of the ministry, that the body of Christ be edified. (Ephesians 4:11, Hebrews 13:8)

· WE BELIEVE the identity of the Body of Christ on earth is primarily perceived through the local church. While encouraging the voluntary association of local churches, and recognizing the need of consensus on matters of fundamental doctrine and conduct, we strongly confess the local church to be sovereign and autonomous.

· WE BELIEVE in the right of the local churches and ministries to form temporal institutions to assist them in carrying out the work of God. At the same time, we reject sectarianism and divisiveness as great evils.

· WE BELIEVE in the priesthood of the believer. That is to say all people born of God have equal status before, and direct access to, their Lord.

· WE BELIEVE in the spiritual unity of all who are born of God. We confess even those with whom we disagree, those who do not confess us, others whom we exclude because of our unwillful ignorance.

· WE BELIEVE that those who are called by the name of Christ should depart from iniquity. Understanding that salvation from the penalty of sin only begins the process of redemption, we acknowledge that the work of the Holy Spirit is to create in us the character of Christ.

· WE BELIEVE in the literal second coming of our Lord, the literal rule of Christ upon the earth, the resurrection of the regenerate to eternal life and the unregenerate to eternal damnation, and the ultimate victory of the eternal Kingdom of God. (I Thess. 4:13-28, I Corinthians 15:51-57)

· WE BELIEVE in the sacred institution of marriage to be defined as the eternal union between one man and one woman.


NOTICE THE BOLDED PART!!!!

#1 Salvation happens when you accept the Lord as your personal saviour!

#2 We accept those of contrary opinion.....in other words Its not just in Jesus Name.


Either you believe it as the way or you dont..
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:22 AM
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Did you miss the "resulting in water and Spirit baptism" clause or is this just a selective reading????
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