The Future of the Oneness Pentecostal Movement - Page 5

Elihu · #41 07-14-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't think so really. Are the budget fees that high?

I would think that a budget fee wouldn't be much of a deterrent if men could see real benefit and value and reward in belonging to an organization they felt was viable, of benefit to them and going somewhere.

Budget fees are part of the problem. For an ordained minister they are over $400 per year. The district and sections require dues as well. Mine total around $1000 per year currently.

This may play a part in the low number of young ministers. Why pay dues if there is no real benefit?

Felicity · #42 07-14-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I think it is a very good analogy because it shows the real motivations for someone wanting to become a pastor. Is it to serve God or is it to enjoy the fringe benefits that he may have seen other ministers of repute enjoy?

I can't identify at all in no way shape or form the kind of thinking that's presented sometimes on these forums. The idea that a man would want to become a pastor for "fringe benefits" is just simply foreign to me. Not part of my thought processes at all.

I'm not denying it might not happen. It's just that I don't know anybody in all my years (33+) of ministry who has gone into ministry for that reason.

All the pastors I've known are in ministry because they felt "called" and because they had a passion and burden to see souls saved and to minister to those who are already in the Church.

I guess my experience is very limited in regard to all the nepotism and control issues, etc. that are brought forward on these forums so often. And I feel blessed that this is the case.

RevDWW · #43 07-14-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by shamgar1

Why pay dues if there is no real benefit?

I ask myself this question from time to time............

but then I remember the life insurance.........

:s laphappy

Scott Hutchinson · #44 07-14-2007, 10:18 PM

IF someone can't pay their budget fees don't they lose their license in the UPCI ?

SDG · #45 07-14-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

I have no pedigree, but my Dad is in charge of everything!!!!!!

Heavenly Father that is.......

I have always been in support roles and never paid for them. I have always had a full time job outside of my ministry. Of course I have been paid when I've preached out. There have been times that I thought it would have made it easier for me if I had a Dad in the ministry, but easier is not always better.......God has been very good to me!!!!!!

You are obviously persistent and gifted ... some do not have that type of patience ... I had the privileges but have been very cognizant of those that don't ... and can empathize w/ the frustrations the system has put before them.

Scott Hutchinson · #46 07-14-2007, 10:20 PM

Aren't there district tithings to pay and such too ?

Elihu · #47 07-14-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You've reached critical mass when less than 5% of your ministers are under 30.

How many of these 400 are sons of ministers, sons-in-law ... or family members???

Less than 5%?

That is amazingly informative.

What happens to organizations who struggle to find young ministers? Is there anything to compare this situation to? How is the AOG doing recruiting young ministers?

SDG · #48 07-14-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

IF someone can't pay their budget fees don't they lose their license in the UPCI ?

Yep ... and when you are expected to have a full time job yet work almost as many hours at the church .... while still paying the rising cost of living sometimes dues can be taxing.

Felicity · #49 07-14-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shamgar1

Budget fees are part of the problem. For an ordained minister they are over $400 per year. The district and sections require dues as well. Mine total around $1000 per year currently.

This may play a part in the low number of young ministers. Why pay dues if there is no real benefit?

Wow! $1000 per year does seem high!

We paid annual fees to St. Louis and then 50% of the pastor's tithe to the district. At least many did - those who were "cooperators" did.

(talking about pastors paying 50% of their tithe to the district)

I personally think there are so many benefits. What are these young men looking for anyhow?

Scott Hutchinson · #50 07-14-2007, 10:22 PM

What happens to a young pastor who gets behind on his budget fees does he lose his church too ?