Re: The Year General Conference Heard the "s" word
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Originally Posted by Ferd
Now I have to wonder,
it seems the point is that David Wilkerson was there. Why would this matter?
Well, I'm not sure and I don't want to get off the point - which was in what context the "s" word is said.
This was the conference right before the 1984 election - Reagan-Bush and Mondale-Ferraro.
Creel called the Democrats the "party of the devil" or some such - of course you would have loved that, Ferd.
And then he hollered "And I ain't votin' for no WOMAN to be vice president!!"
Hmmm .... wonder how he would have felt about Sarah Palin?
So maybe the thrust of Wilkerson being there was it seems the United Pentecostal Church does find ways of showing its ignorance on a national stage and then wonders why people haven't been blowing the doors down the last 25 years and why this "fastest growing church in the world" business is nothing but laughable fiction.
Re: The Year General Conference Heard the "s" word
The fastest growing church in America means what happens to the waist line after indoctrination.
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Originally Posted by timlan2057
Well, I'm not sure and I don't want to get off the point - which was in what context the "s" word is said.
This was the conference right before the 1984 election - Reagan-Bush and Mondale-Ferraro.
Creel called the Democrats the "party of the devil" or some such - of course you would have loved that, Ferd.
And then he hollered "And I ain't votin' for no WOMAN to be vice president!!"
Hmmm .... wonder how he would have felt about Sarah Palin?
So maybe the thrust of Wilkerson being there was it seems the United Pentecostal Church does find ways of showing its ignorance on a national stage and then wonders why people haven't been blowing the doors down the last 25 years and why this "fastest growing church in the world" business is nothing but laughable fiction.
But I digressed from the subject of the thread.
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Re: The Year General Conference Heard the "s" word
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Originally Posted by tv1a
The fastest growing church in America means what happens to the waist line after indoctrination.
That wasn't really needed here.
The UPCI is a fast growing church... it's just that some statisticians forget to subtract the numbers that bleed through the back door...
It is quite noteworthy that a large number of denominations are actually shrinking today. I think the UPC, while not being near the top, is holding their own and expanding as well.
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Who replaced Teklemarian's group? Hundreds of thousands of constituents were excommunicated in one swoop. Didn't that wipe out a third of the constituency?
It takes creative fannie mae and freddie mac accounting to state the upci is the fastest growing church. I think they went to Gary Reckert's school of counting. The upci won't tell anyone which churches are contributing to this awesome figure. I know one non upci church in Ohio with more members in their congregatin than every upci church combined.
According to upci statistics the average upci church has 50-80 members. According to my calculations, there's aren't enough churches to substantiate that claim.
The only way the upci can substantiate that claim is to count foreign missions.
Knowing the upci's history of revisionism, I would love to see independent verification of their numbers.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
That wasn't really needed here.
The UPCI is a fast growing church... it's just that some statisticians forget to subtract the numbers that bleed through the back door...
It is quite noteworthy that a large number of denominations are actually shrinking today. I think the UPC, while not being near the top, is holding their own and expanding as well.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: The Year General Conference Heard the "s" word
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Originally Posted by Timmy
Is it a sin to use the "s" word? Does it make God angry?
Anyone?
__________________I think it's the heart of the person speaking that makes it a sin or not. I doubt it was the first time God heard the word so He wasnt nearly as offended as UPC folks.
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I could be wrong... but I read somewhere that the numbers for UPCI are established by the Easter Sunday attendance.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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So they count backsliders who make their yearly mecca as constitutents. There has to be an inflation of totals. The way the upci makes things sound, it's like they are the hub for revival when in reality it appears they know how to put on a good easter drama.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I could be wrong... but I read somewhere that the numbers for UPCI are established by the Easter Sunday attendance.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: The Year General Conference Heard the "s" word
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Originally Posted by tv1a
So they count backsliders who make their yearly mecca as constitutents. There has to be an inflation of totals. The way the upci makes things sound, it's like they are the hub for revival when in reality it appears they know how to put on a good easter drama.
It may not be inflation of totals per se.
As I stated it depends on how the numbers are achieved. How do you think the numbers should be gathered?
I dare say total constituency of most any organization is not the same thing as average attendance. In the case of some (Non-UPC) the numbers are multiple times higher than average attendance.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Re: The Year General Conference Heard the "s" word
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I could be wrong... but I read somewhere that the numbers for UPCI are established by the Easter Sunday attendance.
The 2008 and 2009 world Almanac listed the membership or attendance of the UPCI as unreported. Each year before that they would list the number of ministers, churches and attendance.
Are you referring to the minister at conference that stated in his sermon at General Conference. "it's like some of our ladies look like they stepped off a T.V. set? Except he used a different word for Set! I heard the actual sermon on tape some year's ago. If that is what you are referring too...
As to this being a slip of the tongue it may have been because it was stated in a sermon. However the mind and the tongue have a way of saying what we think in the heat stress.
The problem with the word being used was his recovery right after saying the word.
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