You are trying to re write his promises. He had all these urgent needs to solve problems in the short term So urgent they were that when he promised to move slowly and not sign anything before waiting 5 days he pushed and shoved and tried to get rapid approval before people had a copy of legislation to read. This was because the fix would be quick and waiting would delay rapid results.
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Bro....he's a politician. The Republicans have the same kinds of issues. This is all par for the course. Obama isn't a saint. I don't believe that for a minute. All politicians make my stomach turn. But my point is that we aren't even six months into his Presidency and you guys are crying like little babies. Give it at least two years or a whole term and we can all reflect. I'll be the first to admit to the fact that he was a terrible President if indeed is proves himself to be so. All I'm saying is have some guts and patience...the man's plan isn't even off the ground. It's like complaining about a pilot's "rough flying" while the engines are just getting warmed up.
When people jump this early with the lambasting...they loose all creditability. I like the fact that most of the REAL conservatives are being REAL quiet right now...they're waiting to see what happens before they open their big mouths and possibly be found looking REAL stupid in four years.
He called his plans ambitious and accused the conservatives of seeing progress as quick and strong was too ambitious for us.
Kinda like used car salesmen have urgency.
Of course now he speaks in terms of needing at least 5 years for results. 4 years not enough.
He lied thru his teeth last night. he said the 1.3 million deficit left behind by Pres Bush. No it was less than 500 billion and it was piled onto by his administration.
He is a novice or rookie and is learning a lot of basics.
His spending 900 million on rebuilding Gaza sure would pay a few house payments.
In 2006 the Treasury Department reported that the Bush Administration was running over 3 trillion dollars in deficit "a year"
"The Bush administration is running a federal budget deficit at an unsustainable, system-dooming pace of about $3.5 trillion a year, econometrician John Williams, who publishes the website Shadow Government Statistics, told WND.
Williams' argument is fully validated in the Financial Report of the United States, a little-known report Congress has mandated that the Treasury Department publishes each year, reporting the federal budget on a GAAP accounting basis, not on a cash accrual basis.
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"Even worse," Williams continued, "the U.S. Government's negative net worth widened to $49.4 trillion in 2005. For the first time, total government liabilities have topped $50 trillion, and the number is continuing to grow. The United States is bankrupt, whether the Bush administration wants to admit it or not."
You posted Bush budget figures as deficit figures.
I suspect you have no idea what they leave out of that number? for example. In magnifying the 2008 budget, they include SS payout commitments for their net present values down the road and omit future contributions and their net present values.
1 little example. If I am 48 today, they tell me my ss for my 68th year will be 55,000 becuse inflation will make it go up. My ss for my 69th year will be 55,750 or in net present value amounts assuming 3% yields, let's say 17,983. So if we crate a spread sheet for future expenditures and impute net present values and discounted interest and leave out net present values for future earings, we get a large number.
that comes back to the 2 words that i highlighted called cash accrual. Those are not together. it is cash or accrual. Not cash accrual. Politicians also do not really employ actuaries and use accepted accuarial tables.
When I was younger I was taught how to write computor programs to create mathematical models for forcasting.
EU presidency: US economic plans 'a road to hell'
March 25th, 2009 @ 8:31am
By RAF CASERT
Associated Press Writer
STRASBOURG, France (AP) - The president of the European Union on Wednesday slammed U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession as "a road to hell."
Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country currently holds the rotating EU presidency, told the European Parliament that President Barack Obama's massive stimulus package and banking bailout "will undermine the liquidity of the global financial market."
A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence, Topolanek took the EU presidency on a collision course with Washington over how to deal with the global economic recession.
The blunt comments pushed other European politicians into damage control mode, with some reproaching the Czech leader for his language and others reaffirming their good diplomatic ties with the U.S.
THE ROAD TO HELL!!! This is getting really interesting!
Where have I ever said that? I too believe that should be tried by military tribunal, according to the Geneva convention. And those where finally going forward but where stopped by President Obama.
Nothing new here. It is hard to go to yemen annd Iraq and gather witnesses and evidence for a fair trial. Obviously the exposure of informants in the caourt case is even more peroblematic. The free the thugs bunch is not a bunch of thinkers.
You are trying to re write his promises. He had all these urgent needs to solve problems in the short term So urgent they were that when he promised to move slowly and not sign anything before waiting 5 days he pushed and shoved and tried to get rapid approval before people had a copy of legislation to read. This was because the fix would be quick and waiting would delay rapid results.
He called his plans ambitious and accused the conservatives of seeing progress as quick and strong was too ambitious for us.
Kinda like used car salesmen have urgency.
Of course now he speaks in terms of needing at least 5 years for results. 4 years not enough.
He lied thru his teeth last night. he said the 1.3 million deficit left behind by Pres Bush. No it was less than 500 billion and it was piled onto by his administration.
He is a novice or rookie and is learning a lot of basics.
His spending 900 million on rebuilding Gaza sure would pay a few house payments.
What did the CBO report regarding Bush's deficit?
In addition, can you give a source for the Gaza claim?
In addition, can you give a source for the Gaza claim?
Clinton: US Pledges $900 Million to Rebuild Gaza, Hamas Will Not Touch Donations
By VOA News
02 March 2009
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the United States' pledge of $300 million in humanitarian aid for Gaza is intended to help achieve a Palestinian state that is "peaceful" and "responsible." Why don't you look up info?
Peaceful and responsible? Not in my lifetime
Looks like Oblahma is spittin' on Israel. Hamas needs to buy more rockets and are running short on money.
Nothing new here. It is hard to go to yemen and Iraq and gather witnesses and evidence for a fair trial. Obviously the exposure of informants in the caourt case is even more peroblematic. The free the thugs bunch is not a bunch of thinkers.
Toadie my dear friend....
Had the Bush Administration compiled witnesses and evidence for a fair trial when these “suspects” were originally incarcerated and then tried them under the civilian governmental authorities in their respective nations, as they were supposed to (remember these are official military forces, they’re civilians), we wouldn’t have this problem now would we?
If the administration would have illegally incarcerated you with 20 others (10 of which were actual threats) we’d have to act to give all of you due process. This long after the fact we’d have trouble building a case against anyone, so we’d most likely have to let you and the 20 others go. Would you rather the government just lock you and the 20 others up and throw away the key? Welcome to Bush’s mess. If we find that we are bound to legally set these men free, and some of them are indeed threats…Bush and all his worshippers are to blame.
Clinton: US Pledges $900 Million to Rebuild Gaza, Hamas Will Not Touch Donations
By VOA News
02 March 2009
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the United States' pledge of $300 million in humanitarian aid for Gaza is intended to help achieve a Palestinian state that is "peaceful" and "responsible." Why don't you look up info?
Peaceful and responsible? Not in my lifetime
Looks like Oblahma is spittin' on Israel. Hamas needs to buy more rockets and are running short on money.
Coadie, you’re obviously not well versed with how dollars are used like bullets in international politics.
You see, the Palestinian people elected Hamas (as result of our championing democracy in a highly volatile region by the way). Hamas is trying to argue that the U.S. gives aid to Israel but not the Palestinian people. This enrages Hamas’ voting base and solidifies the people behind their cause. When the Bush Administration played “hardball” with Hamas and cut all aid to the Palestinian people Hamas just used it to say, “Look, the U.S. doesn’t care if you live or die. We will protect and help you!” So recruitment has been up and Hamas is gained political legitimacy. But….now here’s what we’re doing. We’re making a real nice and real PUBLIC contribution to help the Palestinian people. This will get the people expecting aid. If Hamas keeps the aid and uses it to buy weapons…they deprive their own people. That gives us and the political enemies of Hamas more political clout to weaken their political base. If we get enough Palestinians upset with Hamas for stealing the money we gave for their relief…we might be able to get Hamas voted out of power. We’re trying to play the Palestinian people against their leaders dunderhead.
We could just keep all aid cut and shaft the people…that way they lock in right behind Hamas with undying dedication. Would that be preferable to you?
People don’t understand that this is a lot like playing Chess.
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War, 400 B.C.
Had the Bush Administration compiled witnesses and evidence for a fair trial when these “suspects” were originally incarcerated and then tried them under the civilian governmental authorities in their respective nations, as they were supposed to (remember these are official military forces, they’re civilians), we wouldn’t have this problem now would we?
If the administration would have illegally incarcerated you with 20 others (10 of which were actual threats) we’d have to act to give all of you due process. This long after the fact we’d have trouble building a case against anyone, so we’d most likely have to let you and the 20 others go. Would you rather the government just lock you and the 20 others up and throw away the key? Welcome to Bush’s mess. If we find that we are bound to legally set these men free, and some of them are indeed threats…Bush and all his worshippers are to blame.
Can you explain the slaughter of innocent unborn babies by the same clan? Do they get a fair trial?
Obama and his cult of killing unborn babies seems to desparately grab at this to fake moral high ground.
You are not bright enough to understand if a spy get's info as an informant, and fingers one of these terrorists, bring the informant out ruins the spy informant access to information.
Sorry I had to repeat this. Also Obama has done nothing on gitmo. Nothing.
You fell for that also? NOTHING except talk.
He has shoveled a lot of money onto abortion. Slaughter of the innocent unborn and damaging to the mothers.
If you can explain how a "witness" terrorist can be served a supoena for a trial of another terrorist, tell Obama. I suspect you actually thing Osama would answer a summons to witness also. It doesn't work that way. ERemember the case of a "driver" that was charged? He was driving a vehicle for an alqueda officail. They claimed he was innocent. Of course he had been trained in terroirst acts and service also.
Go ahead an support "tthe illegally incarcerated" claim.
900 million dollars for the Hamas. Goodness. Wonder where that money comes from?
$ 1 TRillion dollar defict for the next 4 years
$1,000,000,000,000.00
Here you plainly claim that the U.S. is giving "$900 million for the Hamas" which most honest people would know was completely ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by coadie
Clinton: US Pledges $900 Million to Rebuild Gaza, Hamas Will Not Touch Donations
By VOA News
02 March 2009
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the United States' pledge of $300 million in humanitarian aid for Gaza is intended to help achieve a Palestinian state that is "peaceful" and "responsible." Why don't you look up info?
Peaceful and responsible? Not in my lifetime
Looks like Oblahma is spittin' on Israel. Hamas needs to buy more rockets and are running short on money.
Then as your source of fact, you point to an article in which Hillary Clinton plainly and unequivocally states that Hamas won't touch of any of it.
Which is it? You're the one telling Aquilla he should do his research and apparently you didn't do yours very thoroughly. You're giving the impression that you play loosely with the facts to get across your agenda.
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