Going back to the UPC

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Just for the record, I was not referring to the fact that you are staying in the UPC as being stereotypical, it's the way you seemed to paint all who didn't hold a standard as being suntanned, low-bloused, apparently worldly and immodest TBN-ites.

In my experience, this is far from the truth.

Maybe in your experience, these are the only types of non-UPC people you've met, and I gave you that.

But to imply that all who do not hold a "standard" are this way is to insult many good people on this forum, including Renda, Sherri, MOW, and many others.

...WELL WE DO KNOW ABOUT... Renda's Wheelchair, Sherri's Digital Pastor, and MOW's Speedos and I resent the implication that TBN has sunk that low!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Just for the record, I was not referring to the fact that you are staying in the UPC as being stereotypical, it's the way you seemed to paint all who didn't hold a standard as being suntanned, low-bloused, apparently worldly and immodest TBN-ites.

In my experience, this is far from the truth.

Maybe in your experience, these are the only types of non-UPC people you've met, and I gave you that.

But to imply that all who do not hold a "standard" are this way is to insult many good people on this forum, including Renda, Sherri, MOW, and many others.

That isn't even what I was implying by describing this woman. You just read it that way.

All I was saying, as people seem to think we've missed it, I didn't see this woman as godly.

That had nothing whatsoever do to with anyone on this Board. My exact words were: "in any of the areas I've lived".

If you read it any other way it's because you wanted to read it that way. But I understand it's the nature of a Forum.

[GodsBabyGirl]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

All I was saying, as people seem to think we've missed it, I didn't see this woman as a godly woman

I dont judge anyone's holiness on what they wear. Thats judging after the flesh.

Thats carnal. And we can miss God looking at outer appearances.

We have to judge folks after the SPIRIT.

I didnt see this woman, she may or may not be godly.

It's just scary that those (of us) who are standard holders so often look at the outer appearance instead of judging the heart.

I have held to standards in non standard environments. At times I came under attack for them, but then there were some who wore make up, pants the whole nine...

Yet they were used of God to minister to me in a POWERFUL, EFFECTIVE way.

So I dont immediately dismiss someone b/c they may have on makeup or pants. That's fleshly. I may miss my blessing.

The Holy Ghost lets me know who to accept from and who to reject.

Religious mindsets cause us to miss out on God TOO many times...

PO this is not to you, just some musings....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Some UPC churches do not foster judgmentalism. Some do. There's good and bad ones.

which would be the good ones
and which would be the bad ones?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sam

which would be the good ones
and which would be the bad ones?

The ones who foster judgmentalism would be the bad ones.

You're joking, right? lol Have to always watch you. lol

[Scott Hutchinson]

Like I say Bro.JTullock has to answer for how he leads his family,I support him as head of his house and I pledge prayerfully support to him.Sometimes as a dad and husband it's not easy making decisions.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Hello all-
Well some if not most of you know that I had left the UPC church I went to, but my wife and daugther stayed. Well this has put a strain on us alittle and has hurt my relationship with her family. Well my daughter is almost 2 and I came to the decision of returning to the UPC for now and maybe forever. This will keep the consitancy in raising our child/children. As oppose to them choosing to go the charasmatic church with me and maybe getting confused on the teaching. I will definately raise my kids right. My wife and I see eye to eye on most if not all issues, but she just can not leave there. So back I go. What do you all think? I am curious to hear what you all have to say.

Congratulations on reentering The Ark!!!

Seriously though you have to do what you feel is right as the spiritual leader of your home and if this is what you feel is right go for it!

The important thing is to find a church and get connected to it for support and accountibility.

I just hope this is a church you can do that in.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by CC1

Congratulations on reentering The Ark!!!

Seriously though you have to do what you feel is right as the spiritual leader of your home and if this is what you feel is right go for it!

The important thing is to find a church and get connected to it for support and accountibility.

I just hope this is a church you can do that in.

Ark-Mothership it is all the same, LOL. CC1, you are classic.

I can tell you all see that this is a tough choice I had to make. The simple fact is that my wife and daughter were not going to leave the UPC church really no matter what. It is the easiest and best thing for us. Now down the road we will continue to see where God will lead. It might be that God is still leading us to that non-denom church, but me being willing to go back makes me the bigger person and a better leader of my family. God knows all and He knows where we are going. I am pursuing Him as He is leading us.

[Sister Alvear]

There are many precious people on this forum and I refuse to let a card divide me from my brothers and sisters.

[Rhoni]

More people are lost and going to hell because of our mis-interpreting and teaching on dress standards as salvational to the neglect of their real issues, matters/condition of the heart.

Preach Jesus Christ and him crucified and you can't go wrong. Let the leading of the Holy Spirit work in the life of the believer. God doesn't need our help. The only thing Christ asked of Peter, "Feed my sheep". Preach/teach the word, not your interpretation of it and let God do the work.

Blessings, Rhoni