Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Well, it looks like someone got tangled up in the liberal and left wing press' sementical lies.
Pro choice NOT being pro abortion? You are so mistaken and deluded.
Giving an individual ONE choice is not a choice at all. You go ahead and tell someone who is prochoice that a decision has been made NOT to choose an abortion and you will have a riot on your hand. ProChoice means a greater propensity to sanction abortion as non-murder because a woman's choice is HER choice giving no voice to the innocent.
I challenge you to go to an abortion clinic and ask them how many young vulnerable and stupid girls they talk OUT of an abortion or how they represent a choice other than ending their pregancy.
You remind me of that guy in the 80s...The Unknown comic, he lived his public life with a paper bag over his head.
Prochoice is synonymous with PROAbortion, don't kid yourself.
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
Rico,
I am in favor of helping the widows, ophans, and the needy. I do this on my own and through my church. I am relying upon my own judgment, and upon the judgment of the spirit-filled leaders of my church, in determining who qualifies as the virtuous poor.
Compare that to the institutionalized bureaucracy for which you have implicitly expressed your support: It is run by people whose chief motivation is to make sure that their numbers warrant more cash next year. They don't care if those they support are making an effort or looking for a sucker. There is no measure or requirement of virtue anywhere in the system, from the top to the bottom. Corruption is rampant, and the constancy of such programs has bred a culture of dependency that has re-enslaved, psychologically, generations of people.
If I tried to not support this system, men with guns would come and chat with me about it. Support is compulsory, coercive if necessary, not from the heart of a cheerful giver.
There is no comparison, for me, between OT and NT systems of aiding the unfortunate and state-run social welfare systems.
Excellent posts. Such smart boys.
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
I've got to run and get some work done but let me just say this. I fancy myself somewhat of a wordsmith, and I've come to realize a few things about words. Words are very paradoxical. Words are immensely powerful while at the same time utterly useless. I am no longer impressed by what anyone says. The old adage that actions speaks louder than words has dissapeared from the public consciousness (and from churches, but that's another whole story). The irony for me is that many people who criticize Obama supporters for being swayed by words, have actually themselves been doing so for decades.
It is simply not enough for me anymore for someone to say that they are pro-life. What are you going to do about abortion if you want my moral vote. Otherwise don't even talk about it.
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by tstew
I've got to run and get some work done but let me just say this. I fancy myself somewhat of a wordsmith, and I've come to realize a few things about words. Words are very paradoxical. Words are immensely powerful while at the same time utterly useless. I am no longer impressed by what anyone says. The old adage that actions speaks louder than words has dissapeared from the public consciousness (and from churches, but that's another whole story). The irony for me is that many people who criticize Obama supporters for being swayed by words, have actually themselves been doing so for decades.
It is simply not enough for me anymore for someone to say that they are pro-life. What are you going to do about abortion if you want my moral vote. Otherwise don't even talk about it.
Liberals are so easily impressed by a fancy shell, because they don't have to care that it is filled with air.
Liberals don't believe anything has an underbelly, everything is...floaty, and light, and pretty, and....ultimately fake.
Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Liberals are so easily impressed by a fancy shell, because they don't have to care that it is filled with air.
Liberals don't believe anything has an underbelly, everything is...floaty, and light, and pretty, and....ultimately fake.
Brother, I tend to agree, but I know many conservatives and ultra-conservatives who are as easily impressed by fancy shells. I know many for whom the shell is all that matters. Substance, balance, honesty, and objectivity are what is missing for a lot of people on both extremes.
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by DerrickS
You really want to go down this road with GWB in the Whitehouse? 8 minutes of verbal stumbling vs an entire presidency?
Derrick, I actually had to bite my tongue (or finger?) to keep from saying the same thing. If anyone who supports Bush is going to castigate anybody for their verbal stumbling, it is the height of irony. There are so many instances of verbal flaws in Bush that I would probably steer clear of that whole topic.
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by tstew
Derrick, I actually had to bite my tongue (or finger?) to keep from saying the same thing. If anyone who supports Bush is going to castigate anybody for their verbal stumbling, it is the height of irony. There are so many instances of verbal flaws in Bush that I would probably steer clear of that whole topic.
Yeah - I just couldn't let that one go...
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by DerrickS
You really want to go down this road with GWB in the Whitehouse? 8 minutes of verbal stumbling vs an entire presidency?
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Originally Posted by tstew
Derrick, I actually had to bite my tongue (or finger?) to keep from saying the same thing. If anyone who supports Bush is going to castigate anybody for their verbal stumbling, it is the height of irony. There are so many instances of verbal flaws in Bush that I would probably steer clear of that whole topic.
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Originally Posted by DerrickS
Yeah - I just couldn't let that one go...
Can you say, "nucelar'? The most important issue facing mankind and Bush still can't even pronounce it right, after almost 8 years. Yeah, let's make fun of Obama for a few stumbles he's made while speaking. Makes sense to me.
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