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Old 08-27-2007, 10:01 AM
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Perhaps it was, as written, a little too general.

But some of the same folks villifying the cons for the possibility they may leave are the folks who admire the 1992 refugees the most.
Sure, because everyone has their own perspective and angle on things and some don't see as clearly as others. LOL. Your point is well taken.

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I personally have far more respect for men who left in 92 because of principle than I do for the ones who stayed in and regularly lie on their AS.

Even when I don't agree, I respect people who have the courage of their convictions.
I agree with you, and many did leave on principle and conviction but it's entirely possible too for men to get caught up in political strife, maneuvering and agenda.

I still think it's possible to not have to agree or live up to everything written on the AS but remain principled by writing cover letters and disclaimers ... and many are doing just that.

As long as the leadership will accept that then to me you're "covered".
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:04 AM
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Sure, because everyone has their own perspective and angle on things and some don't see as clearly as others. LOL. Your point is well taken.

I agree with you, and many did leave on principle and conviction but it's entirely possible too for men to get caught up in political strife, maneuvering and agenda.

I still think it's possible to not have to agree or live up to everything written on the AS but remain principled by writing cover letters and disclaimers ... and many are doing just that.

As long as the leadership will accept that then to me you're "covered".
I think we agree.

I think it is dumb to do the AS and then accept the cover letters though.

That makes the whole thing meaningless, and just pushed men out for nothing.

Either do it, or don't, but the double standard just makes the whole thing a farce.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:08 AM
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I think we agree.

I think it is dumb to do the AS and then accept the cover letters though.

That makes the whole thing meaningless, and just pushed men out for nothing.

Either do it, or don't, but the double standard just makes the whole thing a farce.
Bingo! Exactly!

They need to rescind the whole thing. It's not worth the paper they print or the price of postage. Just banal, really.

The original supposed purpose was never achieved anyway. It was just a huge mistake. People make mistakes - even with the best of intentions.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:09 AM
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Gotta think of good "recessional" music. How about "Take The Money And Run"? "Hit The Road, Jack"? "Breakin' Up Is Hard To Do"? (Nah. Doesn't really apply!)

Come on, help me out!
This song always reminds me of when we were unaffiliating the church and the presbyter basically warned our church before the vote that we could take the money and run with it if they unaffiliated. We sang this song as a joke to each other after that. It was sad to be basically accused in that way but we made the best of it.

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Old 08-27-2007, 10:10 AM
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Sure, because everyone has their own perspective and angle on things and some don't see as clearly as others. LOL. Your point is well taken.

I agree with you, and many did leave on principle and conviction but it's entirely possible too for men to get caught up in political strife, maneuvering and agenda.

I still think it's possible to not have to agree or live up to everything written on the AS but remain principled by writing cover letters and disclaimers ... and many are doing just that.

As long as the leadership will accept that then to me you're "covered".
And didn't Nathaniel Urshan allow this in the months immediately following the passage of the AS?
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:14 AM
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And didn't Nathaniel Urshan allow this in the months immediately following the passage of the AS?
Yes, thankfully.
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ILG, AMOS, FELI, Would you not agree there is much room for interpretation in the AOF?

Would it not be true that almost no one lives up to the AOF entirely? Defining one's reading of the AOF or the AS seems perfectly acceptable to me.
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ILG, AMOS, FELI, Would you not agree there is much room for interpretation in the AOF?

Would it not be true that almost no one lives up to the AOF entirely? Defining one's reading of the AOF or the AS seems perfectly acceptable to me.
"Worldly amusements" is a deliberately ambiguous term.

"TV" is not.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:22 AM
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ILG, AMOS, FELI, Would you not agree there is much room for interpretation in the AOF?

Would it not be true that almost no one lives up to the AOF entirely? Defining one's reading of the AOF or the AS seems perfectly acceptable to me.
Absolutely true.
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