Tithing…Is it a command?

[UnTraditional]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Where do you go to church now? Do you have a blog?

I attend Holy Temple Deliverance Church here in Houston. My ministry web site is in my signature. Thanks.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I attend Holy Temple Deliverance Church here in Houston. My ministry web site is in my signature. Thanks.

Your blog says you go to Victory something or other?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I attend Holy Temple Deliverance Church here in Houston. My ministry web site is in my signature. Thanks.

I read your testimonies Brother Price, God is good!!!!

[good samaritan]

Sean, Do you have any spiritual authority in your life? What does it mean to submit ourselves one to another. I don't make this comment to do anything with tithing. If you isolate yourself from the body it is like severing a limb the result you die. I regularly learn from other men. I believe in church's being structured in a way that prevents a monarchy rule, but I also believe that if submission only takes place when you agree than that isn't submission. Submitting is yielding to another's will over your own.

If my pastor asks me to tithe? I will if I can.
If I don't trust the leaders in my church, I am gonna pray for the Lord to send me elsewhere.
If my pastor tells me I am going to hell if I don't tithe. I would probably want to talk about it deeper privately and then I would tithe if I could (tithing is not explicitly a salvation issue, but giving is). I would then pray for him and I would pray for God's direction. Just because someone isn't doctrinally perfect in every way I will be careful to keep unity as long as the gospel of Jesus Christ is the foundation.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Sean, Do you have any spiritual authority in your life?
Yes brother, the Word of God and the Holy Ghost..The men I have been rubbing shoulders with just continue teaching lies to the saints and I cannot endure these heretics anymore. I will not submit to a LIAR anymore. If I can find an honest minister, I will submit in a heartbeat.This is not about PRIDE, it is about HONESTY.

What does it mean to submit ourselves one to another. I don't make this comment to do anything with tithing. If you isolate yourself from the body it is like severing a limb the result you die.\
I understand what you are saying, but I actually have been at peace with God and myself since I left the church for the 1st time in decades. The only part that is unresolved is the ministry I was forced out of for questioning tithing

I regularly learn from other men. I believe in church's being structured in a way that prevents a monarchy rule, but I also believe that if submission only takes place when you agree than that isn't submission. Submitting is yielding to another's will over your own.

If my pastor asks me to tithe? I will if I can.

Then you are part of the problem, and not the solution.

If I don't trust the leaders in my church, I am gonna pray for the Lord to send me elsewhere.
I did, and Jesus removed me from the heresies, instructing me to deal with this issue publically.

If my pastor tells me I am going to hell if I don't tithe. I would probably want to talk about it deeper privately and then I would tithe if I could (tithing is not explicitly a salvation issue, but giving is).

You need to MAN UP to the heretics around you brother...thank GOD that Martin Luther stood up to the heretical church teachings of his day. He was a REAL man!

I would then pray for him and I would pray for God's direction. Just because someone isn't doctrinally perfect in every way I will be careful to keep unity as long as the gospel of Jesus Christ is the foundation.

Again...when are you going to see that MAMMON is the great stumblingblock to the world and the church?
I see you capitulating to the "men of God" in your life, whether you believe it or not. Did you know that the "fearful" will lose out with God?
If the Lord has chosen you for something, and you refuse(as in showing you this false doctrine), you could be lost for not dealing with it.
The man with 1 talent is an example of that...he was "afraid" and hid it . He was afraid of what others thought of him in his PRIDE.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Sean, Do you have any spiritual authority in your life? What does it mean to submit ourselves one to another. I don't make this comment to do anything with tithing. If you isolate yourself from the body it is like severing a limb the result you die. I regularly learn from other men. I believe in church's being structured in a way that prevents a monarchy rule, but I also believe that if submission only takes place when you agree than that isn't submission. Submitting is yielding to another's will over your own.

If my pastor asks me to tithe? I will if I can.
If I don't trust the leaders in my church, I am gonna pray for the Lord to send me elsewhere.
If my pastor tells me I am going to hell if I don't tithe. I would probably want to talk about it deeper privately and then I would tithe if I could (tithing is not explicitly a salvation issue, but giving is). I would then pray for him and I would pray for God's direction. Just because someone isn't doctrinally perfect in every way I will be careful to keep unity as long as the gospel of Jesus Christ is the foundation.

Some people simply refuse to submit to spiritual leadership.
It is a spirit of rebellion.

I often stayed in churches where I disagreed with the pastor on some issues.
I was willing to submit myself to his leadership because I knew that it is correct to do so.
When the pastor mentioned a subject that I disagree with I simply kept quiet and ignored any urge to correct him or "set him Right". it was not my job to set my pastor right, that is God's job.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Some people simply refuse to submit to spiritual leadership.
It is a spirit of rebellion.

I often stayed in churches where I disagreed with the pastor on some issues.
I was willing to submit myself to his leadership because I knew that it is correct to do so.
When the pastor mentioned a subject that I disagree with I simply kept quiet and ignored any urge to correct him or "set him Right". it was not my job to set my pastor right, that is God's job.

It is the abuse of authority and the pastors' unwillingness to receive correction themselves that turns people off.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It is the abuse of authority and the pastors' unwillingness to receive correction themselves that turns people off.

Thats why the Apostolic churches take forever to grow, then shrink when folks see it has fraudulent doctrines. Then they start small again and keep the same pattern of failure. Never looking WITHIN to see why these events are reoccurring.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thats why the Apostolic churches take forever to grow, then shrink when folks see it has fraudulent doctrines. Then they start small again and keep the same pattern of failure. Never looking WITHIN to see why these events are reoccurring.

Amen a thousand times!!

In 2009 my self employment income was cut by a third. As a step of faith I began to tithe off of my gross BUSINESS income instead of tithing on my salary.
In late 2011 by business tanked completely. Money I could have set aside to cushion the blow had gone to the church. In 2012 I made only 8000 dollars with a wife and two kids. I gave 300 dollars to the church that year. You would have thought I had backslid or something. The pastor knew of my situation and yet I was still ridiculed for "getting behind" on my tithing.

Do any of you pro tithe folks want to to step up to the plate and say I was stealing from God? Nobody offered to pay my bills or feed my family. If it had not been for some TRINITARIAN Pentecostals who heard of our plight, we would not have had a Christmas that year.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thats why the Apostolic churches take forever to grow, then shrink when folks see it has fraudulent doctrines. Then they start small again and keep the same pattern of failure. Never looking WITHIN to see why these events are reoccurring.

Amen. Then you have people who think you should wait around in that mess and wait for the Lord to change things. Call me when the Lord has change things. The bible says a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Don't get me wrong but if God is dealing with you, you should be for holding truth not tradition. That are Apostolic churches I know about in a nutshell.