I prayed for nothing but boys. I'll admit to that here anonymously. But my baby girl has been a light for me. She has a strength and firm determination in her heart that gives me a great feeling when I think about her. And she isn't overly swayed by fashions and trends.
I don't think I have enough ammunition to raise girls! My oldest son, who just got out of the Army said that if he had a daughter, he would just be sure that he was cleaning his guns when her suitor came to pick her up!
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I can agree. The UPCI seems only to grow by family, not by conversion.
That's absurd. I don't know about UPCs you were in but the UPCs around here are growing with new converts, not new infants of already established families.
You guys need to think more before spitting the first thing that pops into your head...."seems only to grow by family, not by conversion" good grief
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That's absurd. I don't know about UPCs you were in but the UPCs around here are growing with new converts, not new infants of already established families.
You guys need to think more before spitting the first thing that pops into your head...."seems only to grow by family, not by conversion" good grief
Indeed!
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Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
I watch my daughter also ... I am bothered when another man tells me that she shouldn't have a slit on her skirt ... or that it might be too high because he can see her knees or that it might be too tight ...
I watch my daughter also ... I am bothered when another man tells me that her she shouldn't have a slit on her skirt ... or that it might be too high because he can see her knees or that it might be too tight ...
I doubt anyone ever tells you or your daughter that.
I know what you are saying though, and it's always up to the Father how his daughters are raised... my pastors never tried to raise me, my parents did.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
This is an outrageous thread. Incest, did you say??? Unlawful incest? Incest is not promoting from within... it is far worse.
The UPC may be may be many things but intentional incest is Not one of them. Seems to me in years past the kids were meeting friends at camp that many end up married who had nothing to do w/ their own home church.
No, I did not grow up UPC and do not attend a UPC church
....... I must say the kindest, sweetest, best folks I have ever met are in or came out of the UPC.
I don't think anybody has suggested that it's intentional. It's just that it is reactionary, and comes part and parcel with the protectionist, nepotistic fiefdom mindset. Ummmmmm, the alleged protectionist, nepotistic fiefdom mindset, that is . . .
Basically what they are saying is that fresh ideas, fresh methods, and fresh faces seldom debut in churches that have the spirit of "us four, no more."
But it's all just a guess, anyhow. I think the perception of percentage of churches pastored by the controlling, overbearing lord over God's heritage type is skewed by the propensity of those offended to frequently and widely share their personal anecdotes.
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I doubt anyone ever tells you or your daughter that.
I know what you are saying though, and it's always up to the Father how his daughters are raised... my pastors never tried to raise me, my parents did.
That's absurd. I don't know about UPCs you were in but the UPCs around here are growing with new converts, not new infants of already established families.
You guys need to think more before spitting the first thing that pops into your head...."seems only to grow by family, not by conversion" good grief
Of course that is true - so much so that I have been critical of it!
I, of course don't critisize the conversions - just those who think having families is rightfully forfeited for church family.
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Just recently someone commented to me that at a UPCI preachers forum ... most of the preachers there see no problem w/ men wearing shorts .... a sign that things are changing ...
but ask those same men if it's okay for women to wear shorts ... or about length of skirts and you will get a whole different perspective ...
Holiness has been preached by many of these men as women being the seductress who must be covered ...
Most holiness dress issues are centered around women while men get a "free" pass looking like the rest of the general population
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AMEN! This is so true.
It's good thing you don't really have an axe to grind . . . . because folks sure might get the wrong impression from this post . . .
I disagree about looking like the general population. I see a paradigm shift where Christian men are easily discernable amongst the backdrop of the ocean of tattoos and piercings prevalent today. Not to mention the mop tops and variety of goofy arrangements of facial hair. A clean shaven face or a plain, standard beard stand out. Not to mention that I'm often wearing long sleeves when others are wearing short sleeves, and I'm still wearing long pants and a shirt of some sort when others are wearing nothing but shorts.
Looks like Rhoni is in your cheering section, though. Whoo hoo! Go Rhoni!
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