Hell and suicide?

[shawndell]

I heard a story yesterday.This lady I know told me that she had a son in law that shot and killed himself a few years ago,she told me his story in tears.This boy was one of three children,his mom died on the couch when the kids were 4,3 and 2 years old and they were in the house for 4 days before the family found thier mother dead,and this boy was the 4 year old and he had been trying to take care of the other two children but how can a 4 year old do very well at that?Their father had already died a couple of years before.All three kids ended up in a orphanedge.When they were in the orphanedge they were abused by beatings,starving and molesting for all of thier child hood.When this boy was 9 years old his sister that was 8 was tied to a tree in front of him so that he could watch his sister be tortered in ways I wont mention because it was to awful.When he grew up he married my friends daughter,but the first time my friend met him he had walked 20 miles from his home in a thunder strom and she found him on her door step with blood all over his shirt,he was 18 years old and was living with his uncle who put small nicks in his chest with a knife,so my friend allowed him to stay with her.This young man never had a bad thing to say to any one and he never asked for anything from any one.EXAMPLE he was working and would not ask for a ride to work even though it was 12 miles to his job,and when she did take him he would waight 3 to 4 hours sometimes with out her rememering to pick him up,he would just thank her for the ride.She says she would buy hundreds of dollars on her kids for christmas and gaught him a 15 dollar electric razer and he was the only one to thank her and most people who looked into his eyes would call them sad or say he was born dead.The sparkle in his eyes was not there.When he and his wife would argue he could never say anything bad about her.His sister as of right now is in prison.Whenever his sister gets out of prison she does something to go back because she has been institutionalized for to long.That young man never heard about God and all his life from the beginning has been nothing but hell on earth.He never had a chance.Isnt there room in Gods heart for some one like him?P.S. WHAT ABOUT HIS SISTER?????

[Esther]

Shawndell I let God judge where folks will end up. Only He knows the heart.

[shawndell]

Originally Posted by Esther

Shawndell I let God judge where folks will end up. Only He knows the heart.

Esther you are right its just that this story just killed my heart.I spent the whole day crying over it and wanted to pray but you cant pray for the dead.Now Im thinking about his sister and how to get in touch with her although I only know of her.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by shawndell

Esther you are right its just that this story just killed my heart.I spent the whole day crying over it and wanted to pray but you cant pray for the dead.Now Im thinking about his sister and how to get in touch with her although I only know of her.

Based on what you have told me it will take the mighty hand of God for her to be emotionally healed.

It is extremely sad to me that mankind can step so low to treat another human this badly.

I fail in finding mercy for these people and lean towards an eye for an eye.

I hope they all find salvation.

[shawndell]

Originally Posted by Esther

Based on what you have told me it will take the mighty hand of God for her to be emotionally healed.

It is extremely sad to me that mankind can step so low to treat another human this badly.

I fail in finding mercy for these people and lean towards an eye for an eye.

I hope they all find salvation.

I do believe it will be worse for some in hell than others.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by shawndell

I do believe it will be worse for some in hell than others.

So are you convinced that this guy, in his entire life on earth, never ONCE was invited to a church, some church that at the bare minimum taught that Jesus is Lord, never ONCE had a thought about letting Jesus into His life, never once heard the song, "Amazing Grace" and never ONCE thought about how that song could possibly minister to his broken life?


As sad as this story reads, if he lived in America, he had a chance for salvation.

God is just, whether this sould ends up in Heaven or hell. I just have a hard time believing that this guy NEVER had a chance.

Though his circumstances were beyond unfortunate, I am prone to believe that he had a chance, probably more than one-- but spurned the opportunities, choosing to carry his own burdens.


As for the sister and anyone else, as long as they are still living, there is still a chance for salvation.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by shawndell

I do believe it will be worse for some in hell than others.

If hell were to be what tradition defines, your statement above is NO comfort at all. What 2000 degrees instead of 3000? One eternity rather than two??

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by shawndell

I heard a story yesterday.This lady I know told me that she had a son in law that shot and killed himself a few years ago,she told me his story in tears.This boy was one of three children,his mom died on the couch when the kids were 4,3 and 2 years old and they were in the house for 4 days before the family found thier mother dead,and this boy was the 4 year old and he had been trying to take care of the other two children but how can a 4 year old do very well at that?Their father had already died a couple of years before.All three kids ended up in a orphanedge.When they were in the orphanedge they were abused by beatings,starving and molesting for all of thier child hood.When this boy was 9 years old his sister that was 8 was tied to a tree in front of him so that he could watch his sister be tortered in ways I wont mention because it was to awful.When he grew up he married my friends daughter,but the first time my friend met him he had walked 20 miles from his home in a thunder strom and she found him on her door step with blood all over his shirt,he was 18 years old and was living with his uncle who put small nicks in his chest with a knife,so my friend allowed him to stay with her.This young man never had a bad thing to say to any one and he never asked for anything from any one.EXAMPLE he was working and would not ask for a ride to work even though it was 12 miles to his job,and when she did take him he would waight 3 to 4 hours sometimes with out her rememering to pick him up,he would just thank her for the ride.She says she would buy hundreds of dollars on her kids for christmas and gaught him a 15 dollar electric razer and he was the only one to thank her and most people who looked into his eyes would call them sad or say he was born dead.The sparkle in his eyes was not there.When he and his wife would argue he could never say anything bad about her.His sister as of right now is in prison.Whenever his sister gets out of prison she does something to go back because she has been institutionalized for to long.That young man never heard about God and all his life from the beginning has been nothing but hell on earth.He never had a chance.Isnt there room in Gods heart for some one like him?P.S. WHAT ABOUT HIS SISTER?????

Judgment is the setting of things right, God will redeem all of his creation. You need not worry of this young man, his heavenly Father loves him more perfectly than all your or my sympathy.

Are we so stupid to think that we could be more loving and kind and merciful than our heavenly Father? Most traditionalists believe that God's justice requires that this man and millions like him be tortured for eterinty. This is proof that the reformers mantained the worst of the apostate doctrines of the dark ages and the RCC.

Your response comes from the heart of God, but have no fear "...the judge of all will do right..."

[shawndell]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Judgment is the setting of things right, God will redeem all of his creation. You need not worry of this young man, his heavenly Father loves him more perfectly than all your or my sympathy.

Are we so stupid to think that we could be more loving and kind and merciful than our heavenly Father? Most traditionalists believe that God's justice requires that this man and millions like him be tortured for eterinty. This is proof that the reformers mantained the worst of the apostate doctrines of the dark ages and the RCC.

Your response comes from the heart of God, but have no fear "...the judge of all will do right..."

Thank you crakjak,your words have helped me because God does love us more than we can understand so I guess I dont have to worry about this poor guy.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by shawndell

Thank you crakjak,your words have helped me because God does love us more than we can understand so I guess I dont have to worry about this poor guy.

Absolutely, God has not relegated His creation to the evil one, He takes responsibily for what He created.