Should we still observe the sabbath?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

See? Trinitarian thinking right there. I think there's a reason antisabbath thinking and trinity thinking tend to correlate. Not sure what the causal relation is, though, if any...

That is laughable! Why do you think Jesus chose to use that language “rest for your souls”? Coincidentally, chapter 12 comes immediately afterwards, about Jesus going through the corn on the Sabbath.

Matthew 12:1-2

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

That is laughable! Why do you think Jesus chose to use that language “rest for your souls”? Coincidentally, chapter 12 comes immediately afterwards, about Jesus going through the corn on the Sabbath.

Matthew 12:1-2

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

Sorry, my post wasn't actually directed to you. I should have made that clear.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

That is laughable! Why do you think Jesus chose to use that language “rest for your souls”? Coincidentally, chapter 12 comes immediately afterwards, about Jesus going through the corn on the Sabbath.

Matthew 12:1-2

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

Matthew 12:1-8 KJV
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. [2] But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. [3] But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; [4] How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? [5] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? [6] But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. [7] But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. [8] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

God's law did not in fact prohibit what the disciples were doing. Pharisaic doctrines of men passed off as "doctrine" however did. Funny how the antisabbatarian thinking has Jesus committing sin. Antisabbatarianism is of the devil (false accuser). Who else could promote the idea that Jesus ACTUALLY WAS A SINNER AND PROMOTED SINNING? The devil, that's who.

Acts 10:13-14 KJV
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Like this guy and his buddies are just gonna willy nilly blow off the Fourth Commandment. Antisabbatarianism is not only wrong, it is Biblical illiteracy in action.

[Steven Avery]

Apostolic Friends Forum - sabbath threads
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index...-threads.2555/

[good samaritan]

The purpose of the Sabbath relates to rest, yes, but the purpose for KEEPING it is to honour the true Creator God. Sabbath keeping is a mark of identification, that you worship Jehovah God the Creator.

The Sabbath was not instituted to honour God, but was created for the benefit of Israel. Observance to the Sabbath taught them that everyone should have rest, man, beast, and lands. Sabbath keeping is a mark of identification if we have entered His rest. We become new creatures.

They are rebellious and disobedient. He had given them "the word of the LORD" but they despised it. That word or message was one of rest.

Hebrews 4:2-3
2......For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3......For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

That Word of God(gospel) is still one of rest if we believe, we then enter into it, similarly to what was offered to Israel.

The rest was comnected to the word of the LORD which had become nothing but "line upon line, precept upon precept" to the rebellious ones. As it is even today. God's precepts are considered tedious and burdensome to many. As a result, they do not find TRUE rest.

Rest and refreshing isn't about one's personal emotional state. It isn't about feelings. It is SPIRITUAL and has to do with being conformed to the will of God. The rest and refreshing God offers is NOT some emotional happy-place of feelgoodism. It is a SPIRITUAL and MORAL place of RIGHTEOUSNESS, being right with God, which manifests in obedience. Because a person who is right with God does not find His Word to be a bunch of endless burdensome precepts ("line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept").

We can only become right by God through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ. Jesus makes us right, and that process requires the Holy Ghost working in us. It is no longer us, but Gods Spirit working inside of us. If honoring a day brings someone that peace of mind, then they should, but I personally don’t see where it Carries over into the NT church. The law written in our hearts should cause a natural response, and not a burdensome life does and don’ts.

Barnes Notes:
To whom he said - To whom God had said; that is, to the Jews. He had taught them the way of rest through the prophets, but they had refused to learn.
This is the rest - That is, this is the true way of happiness, to wit, by keeping the commands of God which had been so often repeated as to become to them objects of satiety and disgust.

This is the refreshing - This is the way in which the mind may be comforted.
Poole's:
To whom he said, to which people the Lord, by his minister, said,

This, this doctrine or precept, as it is expressed, Isaiah 28:9,10, or the word of the Lord, as it follows, Isaiah 28:13, is the rest; the only way, in the observation of which you will find rest and satisfaction.

Cause the weary to rest, Heb. cause the weary (understand either soul or country) rest. As rest is offered to you by the prophets in God’s name, do you embrace it; which is to be done by hearkening to God’s word, as appears by the following clauses. So shall this people, which hath been so oft and so long wearied and harassed by great and manifold calamities, find rest and peace.

Yet they would not hear; they are wilfully ignorant, and obstinately refused the very means of instruction.

Yet the law brought no one any rest. The law was illustrated in the epistles as bondage.

Galatians 4:24
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

This rest we are speaking of is synonymous with the keeping of the Sabbath although it may not explicitly say it that way. I personally believe it is rightly dividing the word.

Keil and Delitzsch:
Jehovah would speak to the scoffing people of stammering tongue a language of the same kind, since He would speak to them by a people that stammered in their estimation, i.e., who talked as barbarians (cf., βαρβαρίζειν and balbutire; see Isaiah 33:19, compared with Deuteronomy 28:49). The Assyrian Semitic had the same sound in the ear of an Israelite, as Low Saxon (a provincial dialect) in the ear of an educated German; in addition to which, it was plentifully mixed up with Iranian, and possibly also with Tatar elements. This people would practically interpret the will of Jehovah in its own patios to the despisers of the prophet. Jehovah had directed them, through His prophets, after the judgments which they had experienced with sufficient severity (Isaiah 1:5.), into the true way to rest and refreshing (Jeremiah 6:16), and had exhorted them to give rest to the nation, which had suffered so much under Ahaz through the calamities of war (2 Chronicles 28), and not to drag it into another way by goading it on to rise against Assyria, or impose a new burden in addition to the tribute to Assyria by purchasing the help of Egypt. But they would not hearken (אבוּא equals אבוּ, Isaiah 30:15-16; Ges. 23, 3, Anm. 3). Their policy was a very different one from being still, or believing and waiting. And therefore the word of Jehovah, which they regarded as en endless series of trivial commands, would be turned in their case into an endless series of painful sufferings. To those who thought themselves so free, and lived so free, it would become a stone on which they would go to pieces, a net in which they would be snared, a trap in which they would be caught (compare Isaiah 8:14-15)

1 Corinthians 14:21-22
21......In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

as to their true and proper end
22......Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Isaiah 28 was definitely a prophecy that was written expressly for the readers in Isaiah’s day. Yet, It also had fulfillment in regards to tongues in the NT, as Paul was comparing it in 1 Corinthians 14.

I am supposed to do a Bible study next Saturday with a person who is similar to a seventh day Adventist and religiously vegan. He is Trinitarian and doesn’t believe in the Holy Ghost baptism as in the NT for today. I am not trying to pick a fight with this gentleman, but he has been trying to proselytize people from our church. I am the type of person who is open to discussion and am respectful to others point of view, but I often feel like that is misunderstood. I think he plans on converting me, or something???

[Esaias]

Compare "the ole ball and chain" with this:

Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

I think the choice should be clear. Father knows best.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Compare "the ole ball and chain" with this:

Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

I think the choice should be clear. Father knows best.

Is Jeremiah prophesying to Jews or Gentiles? This passage has no context in bringing NT Christian’s under the Mosaic law. I agree that Father knows best

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Is Jeremiah prophesying to Jews or Gentiles? This passage has no context in bringing NT Christian’s under the Mosaic law. I agree that Father knows best

What an astoundingly modernistic liberal statement. Nevermind the straw man about "bringing Christians under the Mosaic law". But that's standard operating procedure when one follows a "make it up as you go along" religion. Bible buffet, just pick and choose what you like, right? So I guess you are on record as being decidedly against the old paths? That therein is decidedly NOT the good way? I guess that's good to know?

Meanwhile:

1 Corinthians 10:6-12 KJV
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. [7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. [8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. [9] Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. [10] Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. [11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. [12] Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

And again:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias View Post

2. What does "fulfilled" mean when it comes to laws? You seem to think that when a law is "fulfilled" it is thereby abolished and done away with. Is this true? Let's see:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Jas 2:8)
If you fulfill this law, do you then become free from any obligation to that law? What does fulfill mean here? Does it not mean to obey, to perform, to execute, to carry out? So that if you perform the law "thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself", you have "fulfilled" that law? Then what? You can stop loving your neighbour? Or does "fulfill" not rather mean to perform and continue to perform? That is, you love your neighbour and continue to do so? Obviously the latter. Therefore, Jesus "fulfilling the law" does not mean the law is thereby abolished. It means instead that He performed it, and yea indeed He continued to perform it all the days of His life. He also said "think not that I am come to destroy the law". So whatever we think "fulfill" means, we are NOT ALLOWED to think it means "the law has been done away with or abolished or destroyed". And by the way, the "royal law according to the scripture" about loving your neighbour as yourself is Leviticus 19:18. Once again we see the new testament exhorting us to obey the law of God (this time straight out of Leviticus of all places).

This was not what my post #93 was addressing.

[good samaritan]

Galatians 4:21-31
21......Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

and shows that we are the sons of Abraham by the freewoman
22......For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23......But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24......Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25......For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26......But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27......For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28......Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29......But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30......Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31......So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

This is pretty clear to me, the law at mount sinai represented bondage, and those that are under bondage shall not be heir with those of the free woman.