Tithing…Is it a command? - Page 82

Rudy · #1 10-07-2014, 10:21 AM

Also Jacob told God what he must do then Jacob would tithe. It would be foolish for him to make that statement if he was following a forever principle. Also the candle stick maker under the law was not required to tithe.

So much for the forever principle of tithing. However Freewill giving is a forever principle.

Rudy · #2 10-07-2014, 12:31 PM

Russell Kelly on first fruits.

Aquila · #3 10-07-2014, 03:23 PM

I do believe that believers should give generously to support the ministry. And they should give as they have purposed to give in their hearts, knowing that if they give sparingly they will reap sparingly... but if they give bountifully they will reap bountifully!

But there are times of unforeseen hardship. I do believe that if faced with paying the rent or house payment or giving what you've committed to give... your first loyalty is to our family. Because if you fail to provide for them, you've denied the faith and are worse than an infidel.

good samaritan · #4 10-07-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I do believe that believers should give generously to support the ministry. And they should give as they have purposed to give in their hearts, knowing that if they give sparingly they will reap sparingly... but if they give bountifully they will reap bountifully!

But there are times of unforeseen hardship. I do believe that if faced with paying the rent or house payment or giving what you've committed to give... your first loyalty is to our family. Because if you fail to provide for them, you've denied the faith and are worse than an infidel.

agree fully!

Originalist · #5 10-08-2014, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I do believe that believers should give generously to support the ministry. And they should give as they have purposed to give in their hearts, knowing that if they give sparingly they will reap sparingly... but if they give bountifully they will reap bountifully!

But there are times of unforeseen hardship. I do believe that if faced with paying the rent or house payment or giving what you've committed to give... your first loyalty is to our family. Because if you fail to provide for them, you've denied the faith and are worse than an infidel.

Sadly the majority of our pastors, both Trinity and Oneness, would not agree with you. They would say you are cursed if you do not tithe for any reason (even hardship) or that you are are already cursed else God would make a way for you to tithe. Either way you lose and will be shunned by your pastor.

I'm sick of all of this and so long to leave this corrupt system. I've tried to have the attitude of "well we do not have to agree on every point". Sadly, the bishops do NOT have the same attitude when it comes to the doctrine of tithing. They cannot "agree to disagree". To them you are a curse. My last pastor actually stated from the pulpit, "I don't like going to church with thieves". This man is a District Superintendent admired and adored my thousands. But how can I submit to a man who teaches such error? As soon as I get my wife on board, I'm out of there. She agrees with me and has also had a belly full. She cannot understand how we are expected to be involved in a bunch of extra curricular activities when we barely have enough gas to get to church twice a week and get to work everyday. When we try to explain it to people, they bury their heads in the sand and deny that we could really be struggling so. Our lack of involvement must mean we don't love God. Yet, my wife is afraid still to let go of the security blanket of organized church.

Rudy · #6 10-08-2014, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I do believe that believers should give generously to support the ministry. And they should give as they have purposed to give in their hearts, knowing that if they give sparingly they will reap sparingly... but if they give bountifully they will reap bountifully!

But there are times of unforeseen hardship. I do believe that if faced with paying the rent or house payment or giving what you've committed to give... your first loyalty is to our family. Because if you fail to provide for them, you've denied the faith and are worse than an infidel.[/QUOTE]

Sadly the majority of our pastors, both Trinity and Oneness, would not agree with you. They would say you are cursed if you do not tithe for any reason (even hardship) or that you are are already cursed else God would make a way for you to tithe. Either way you lose and will be shunned by your pastor.

I'm sick of all of this and so long to leave this corrupt system. I've tried to have the attitude of "well we do not have to agree on every point". Sadly, the bishops do NOT have the same attitude when it comes to the doctrine of tithing. They cannot "agree to disagree". To them you are a curse. IMy last pastor actually stated from the pulpit, "I don't like going to church with thieves". This man is a District Superintendent admired and adored my thousands. But how can I submit to a man who teaches such error? As soon as I get my wife on board, I'm out of there. She agrees with me and has also had a belly full. She cannot understand how we are expected to be involved in a bunch of extra curricular activities when we barely have enough gas to get to church twice a week and get to work everyday. When we try to explain it to people, they bury their heads in the sand and deny that we could really be struggling so. Our lack of involvement must mean we don't love God. Yet, my wife is afraid still to let go of the security blanket of organized church.

Sadly Bro. you will not be welcomed there unless you pay up. These orgs are clubs with rules to follow. They have gotten so off base that they are allowing their ministers to preach and teach old covenant law.

One would have to start evaluating and search their inner parts about supporting them. These are huge issues of heresy.

This may sound silly but how can they be trusted when they get confused over a beard?

I know of a commune that teaches oneness and Acts 2. But they claim to be the true Hebrews and practice parts of The Law. However, I admire the leader in his ability to manage.

Those of us who are being scattered and shunned should gather and come up with a solution. We can gather here or maybe skype. I participate in a weekly bible study on skype which is doing well. Some of us may have to relocate to assist in starting a work.

There is safety in the council of many.

Sean · #7 10-08-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Sadly Bro. you will not be welcomed there unless you pay up. These orgs are clubs with rules to follow. They have gotten so off base that they are allowing their ministers to preach and teach old covenant law.

One would have to start evaluating and search their inner parts about supporting them. These are huge issues of heresy.

This may sound silly but how can they be trusted when they get confused over a beard?

I know of a commune that teaches oneness and Acts 2. But they claim to be the true Hebrews and practice parts of The Law. However, I admire the leader in his ability to manage.

Those of us who are being scattered and shunned should gather and come up with a solution. We can gather here or maybe skype. I participate in a weekly bible study on skype which is doing well. Some of us may have to relocate to assist in starting a work.

There is safety in the council of many.

Rudy, the key to this is keep pounding our message down their throat, because their defense is extremely weak. We score a TD every time we get the ball and they are on full time defense. The word will get out by our perseverance and they will eventually be isolated by the world and the saints. It all about educating folks with the truth. We are in the will of God, as Martin Luther was when he spoke out on indulgences against the church of his day.

Rudy · #8 10-08-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Rudy, the key to this is keep pounding our message down their throat, because their defense is extremely weak. We score a TD every time we get the ball and they are on full time defense. The word will get out by our perseverance and they will eventually be isolated by the world and the saints. It all about educating folks with the truth. We are in the will of God, as Martin Luther was when he spoke out on indulgences against the church of his day.

I guess I'm looking at fellowship with like minded saints. Many leave but have no place to go. We need an alternative.

Originalist · #9 10-08-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Rudy, the key to this is keep pounding our message down their throat, because their defense is extremely weak. We score a TD every time we get the ball and they are on full time defense. The word will get out by our perseverance and they will eventually be isolated by the world and the saints. It all about educating folks with the truth. We are in the will of God, as Martin Luther was when he spoke out on indulgences against the church of his day.

AMEN!!

obriencp · #10 10-08-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Sadly the majority of our pastors, both Trinity and Oneness, would not agree with you. They would say you are cursed if you do not tithe for any reason (even hardship) or that you are are already cursed else God would make a way for you to tithe. Either way you lose and will be shunned by your pastor.

I'm sick of all of this and so long to leave this corrupt system. I've tried to have the attitude of "well we do not have to agree on every point". Sadly, the bishops do NOT have the same attitude when it comes to the doctrine of tithing. They cannot "agree to disagree". To them you are a curse. My last pastor actually stated from the pulpit, "I don't like going to church with thieves". This man is a District Superintendent admired and adored my thousands. But how can I submit to a man who teaches such error? As soon as I get my wife on board, I'm out of there. She agrees with me and has also had a belly full. She cannot understand how we are expected to be involved in a bunch of extra curricular activities when we barely have enough gas to get to church twice a week and get to work everyday. When we try to explain it to people, they bury their heads in the sand and deny that we could really be struggling so. Our lack of involvement must mean we don't love God. Yet, my wife is afraid still to let go of the security blanket of organized church.

Yes this is too often a sad reality.