Gay Pastor's(xupc)recent Letter to the UPCI ! ! !

Originally Posted by Newman

Why don't you quit your job today if only eternal consequences matter? Because we live here and now...

I clearly showed you that God did not weigh all abominations the same in relation to how society functions. It appears that there is indeed a pecking order for abominations. Live with it.

You showed no such thing! You did not show even one passage of scripture that says some abominations (referring to things that are morally detestable, not to things that are ceremonially unclean) are more or less abominable than others."

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Originally Posted by Chan

But not all idolaters became homosexuals.

That is true.

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

I think this is your interpretation and it is not necessarily a fact. I think that reprobate minds do not mean you are given over to homosexuality! That is a twist you put on that one yourself.

I never said that all homosexuals have reprobrate minds. I was just saying that homosexuality is associated with defiling God's image. People defile God's glory and so God gives them over. Paul said that homosexuality is actually named as being a vile affection to which God gave people up.

"God also gave them up to uncleanness" -- associated with dishonouring their bodies between themselves.

"God gave them up unto vile affections" -- Lesbianism and homosexuality.

"God gave them over to a reprobate mind" -- Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I never said what you accused me of saying.

I know many homosexuals trying to come out of the lifestyle that are nowhere near 'Reprobate'!
Blessings, Rhoni

I never said they were. You need to read more carefully, sis.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Chan

You showed no such thing! You did not show even one passage of scripture that says some abominations (referring to things that are morally detestable, not to things that are ceremonially unclean) are more or less abominable than others."

Hello? Some things you get stoned for and other things you aren't stoned for. Only one thing that God appears to have thought worse than breaking up a marriage over and it wasn't lying...

It isn't stated in black and white but certianly visible to those with abstract reasoning ability.

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Eating shellfish was an abomination in the old testament as well. Would a person be stoned for that?

Lev 11:10 KJV And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

But that does not diminish the fact that homsexuality is still an abomination. Some things WERE abomination in the old covenant, but distinctly said to not be forbidden in the new. But Romans 1 repeats the disdain of God for homosexuality in the new as well as the old covenant. There is quite a bit of difference between homosexuality and eating shellfish.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Stone me I eat catfish.

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Stone me I eat catfish.

lol And I eat oysters.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Eating shellfish was an abomination in the old testament as well. Would a person be stoned for that?

Lev 11:10 KJV And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

But that does not diminish the fact that homsexuality is still an abomination. Some things WERE abomination in the old covenant, but distinctly said to not be forbidden in the new. But Romans 1 repeats the disdain of God for homosexuality in the new as well as the old covenant. There is quite a bit of difference between homosexuality and eating shellfish.

But there is a difference between things that were ceremonially unclean (eating shellfish) and things that were morally detestable (idolatry, homosexuality, lying).

Originally Posted by Newman

Hello? Some things you get stoned for and other things you aren't stoned for. Only one thing that God appears to have thought worse than breaking up a marriage over and it wasn't lying...

It isn't stated in black and white but certianly visible to those with abstract reasoning ability.

Do you really have such poor reading comprehension skills that you can't understand "You did not show even one passage of scripture that says some abominations (referring to things that are morally detestable, not to things that are ceremonially unclean) are more or less abominable than others"? The only proper response is to show specific passages of scripture showing us that some abominations are more or less abominable than others. Your merely stating that people didn't get stoned for some things but got stoned for others under the Law of Moses doesn't show us anything! The Bible never said that children rebelling against their parents was an abomination but in Exodus God commanded that such children be stoned to death.

Originally Posted by mfblume

I never said that all homosexuals have reprobrate minds. I was just saying that homosexuality is associated with defiling God's image. People defile God's glory and so God gives them over. Paul said that homosexuality is actually named as being a vile affection to which God gave people up.

"God also gave them up to uncleanness" -- associated with dishonouring their bodies between themselves.

"God gave them up unto vile affections" -- Lesbianism and homosexuality.

"God gave them over to a reprobate mind" -- Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I never said what you accused me of saying.



I never said they were. You need to read more carefully, sis.

Notice, of course, that it was those who had started worshiping the Creation instead of the Creator that God did all this to. Notice all the different sins that seem to have come about as a result of humanity's first forays into idolatry.