Their loss is Globals gain (maybe)

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Did you take Church History in your undergrad?

This professor is delving deeper into the life of Martin Luther and also the dynamics of church curruption than any other church history experience I'vr had.

We did a whole session just on Luther's mental condition called "anfectungen" and how that moved him towards the liberating gospel of salvation by faith and not by works.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Carol is one of my life-long best friends! Of course, Mark too.

Mark and Carol came to our church for a while during the heat of our transition. They really helped us a bunch!! We love them bunches too!!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

This professor is delving deeper into the life of Martin Luther and also the dynamics of church curruption than any other church history experience I'vr had.

We did a whole session just on Luther's mental condition called "anfectungen" and how that moved him towards the liberating gospel of salvation by faith and not by works.

Very cool. Had a good undergrad class on Church History... great textbook too... but certainly never spent an entire class session on Luther's mental condition. I was aware that he beat himself, was anxious, having nervous breakdowns, etc...

I thought the movie Luther was done quite well too.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Come in the water is fine.


Yes indeed - joint heirs.

The question becomes, what does it mean to "lead" and does a Pastor have unquestionable authority in all things church?

Lead does not mean Lord.

To minister means to serve.

"Unquestioned"? All things must be evaluated in light of scripture.
However I believe the assembly should follow their pastor including "standards" unless it can be shown to be totally and unequivocally unjustified by scriptures.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by brianmidwest

I can understand that there are areas where people feel that diversity is good. I do. And I am glad that you have found somewhere that you are comfortable. But MANY in the UPC say very similar things.

Also when you comment --

Quote: Frankly speaking, I am not excited about Global being overrun by a bunch of liberal yet judgeing Oneness Pentecostal ministers who get all worked up over baptismal formulas and salvation necessity of Spirit baptism. I left the best Oneness Denomination going to get away from that mentality." -- you more than validate concerns that Oneness Apostolic's have over those in Global.

If concerned, they should find a group that flies the Oneness Pentecostal exclusionary flag. Because the last time I looked, Global does not and doesn't pretend to. There are both Oneness and Trinitarians in Global and both Oneness and Trinitarians are asked to speak at the meetings. If that bothers someone, they should look somewhere else. It really is that simple in my opinion.

Sometimes people act like there is some kind of oneness/trinitarian conspiracy in Global. Well, there's not. I have yet to see anyone fight over these issues at a global meeting. It obviously doesn't affect who preaches or who is licensed................

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Very cool. Had a good undergrad class on Church History... great textbook too... but certainly never spent an entire class session on Luther's mental condition. I was aware that he beat himself, was anxious, having nervous breakdowns, etc...

I thought the movie Luther was done quite well too.

His condition was an extreme fear of the wrath of God and his inability to satisfy it! He tried for decades to "work" his way into God's mercy and favor...it was very dark where he was convinced he could not be saved because of his sinful nature! It is mind blowing the liberation that came to him when he recognized that we cannot work our way into God's favor and how it started the reformation!

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

If concerned, they should find a group that flies the Oneness Pentecostal exclusionary flag. Because the last time I looked, Global does not and doesn't pretend to. There are both Oneness and Trinitarians in Global and both Oneness and Trinitarians are asked to speak at the meetings. If that bothers someone, they should look somewhere else. It really is that simple in my opinion.

Sometimes people act like there is some kind of oneness/trinitarian conspiracy in Global. Well, there's not. I have yet to see anyone fight over these issues at a global meeting. It obviously doesn't affect who preaches or who is licensed................

Some on here are giving Global a bad name. It may not be what you're looking for, but if you're looking then the other group must not have been what you were looking for either.

If you knew me you would you know I know what I'm talking about. Was there at the beginning. Don't agree with everything but have never found any group, if it consisted of more than me, that I agreed with on everything.

If you haven't tried out either of the groups, Global or ACN, you really owe it to yourself to check them out before you put them down. It's not like the mafia, if you don't like it you can get out! You don't have to get a tattoo to get in! lol

Been Thinkin

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Some on here are giving Global a bad name. It may not be what you're looking for, but if you're looking then the other group must not have been what you were looking for either.

If you knew me you would you know I know what I'm talking about. Was there at the beginning. Don't agree with everything but have never found any group, if it consisted of more than me, that I agreed with on everything.

If you haven't tried out either of the groups, Global or ACN, you really owe it to yourself to check them out before you put them down. It's not like the mafia, if you don't like it you can get out! You don't have to get a tattoo to get in! lol

Been Thinkin

Have you read my posts???????

I am putting nothing or noone down.....

I am a happy member of Global......

I said so in my opening comments on page four of this thread....

Seven years Global and counting,

Scott Jones (Chairman of global) is a personal friend....

Brett jones (his brother) is the Chairman of my Accountability board.....

I'm confused.....

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

Have you read my posts???????

I am putting nothing or noone down.....

I am a happy member of Global......

I said so in my opening comments on page four of this thread....

Seven years Global and counting,

Scott Jones (Chairman of global) is a personal friend....

Brett jones (his brother) is the Chairman of my Accountability board.....

I'm confused.....

NO NO NO! triumphant1 I wasn't talking about you. I'm sorry I should not have tagged your post. I should have tagged some of those who seemed to not know what they were talking about. I agree with you. Scott and Brett are friends of mine as well. Their dad was a prince of a man. I think Scott is doing a great job. Global seems to be moving forward better than it has since.... well since it wasn't moving forward, if you know what I mean.

I'm not active right now but for my own reason! Have no stones to throw! Would encourage any of those who are "looking" to get to know Scott. I think they would be impressed when they get to know him.

Again, sorry that I made it look like I was referring to you. God speed!

Edit: triumphant1 I just looked back at my post and my choice of you and yours certainly made it look like I was talking to you. I should have said them instead of you and yours. Sorry again. Hope everyone that read the earlier post will read this one.

Been Thinkin

[Sherri]

Whoever all these people are who are hanging in the balances, I wish someone would give me their names. We are looking for a young staff pastor from our background - a good preacher, but one who can take on other duties also. Send them our way!!!