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Old 05-03-2012, 08:37 PM
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<Now, the original version of Bt used spin 1/2 particles, and what he discovered was that no matter what the settings of the polarizers (that verified the polarization of the 1/2 particles, later verified with photons), the verifying clicks in area A corresponded too strongly to the clicks in area B, statistically, to be explained by chance, thus dismantling Einstein's theory of local causes, which was his postulate for discrediting...all the freaky spin-locking and polarization-slaving we have been slogging through...in other words, Bell verified that Einstein was right, and was wrong to think he wasn't right the first time.> cont'd
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:53 PM
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<Now, try to see that much impact is lost here; you are getting a story of a story of a story; but...

The correlations which Bell used were calculated but untested statistical predictions in
'64, and weren't confirmed until '72, despite the fact that thousands--or at least ten or twenty--physicists stood (or sat, if they were fat, I guess) around writing statistical mathematical evaluations, you know the kind, math with no numbers, on chalkboards and furiously discussing the merits of spin 1/2 particles in terms that...well, you get the point; their terms would have had you wondering, and then convinced of their deficiency of sanity, surely. Remember, this was the 60's, essentially before tv.> cont'd
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:05 PM
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<bear in mind that we haven't even caught up to Einstein yet, much less the verifications that Bt provided; I'm relatively certain that when the End Of the World as You Know It comes, which may be in a hundred thousand years, a hundred years, or tomorrow, you will hear his name that day--Einstein's, not Bell's, he's just some statistical wonk credited with "the most profound discovery of science" by H Stapp, who apparently should know; heard of either one of them? 33 years later? Point made--> cont'd
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:13 PM
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Ok, I think I can tie up Bell by tomorrow, but another postulate to sleep on,
this one provided on another thread, by RevDWW:

"If anyone proved to me that Christ was outside the truth, then I would prefer to remain with Christ than with the truth." Dostoevsky

What is Dostoevsky saying here?
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Exactly, 20 years ago I would have been stoned.
I meant, Brilliant! that is exactly the type
of seemingly pointless random observation
we need to cultivate, here,
which leads to our first postulate:

Inspiration is often unobscured when our minds
are in an alternate state, and we are not
thinking "normally."

A virtual breakthrough, one which also seems to verify
you as the Witness, if you read your post with that in mind.
(you are the Witness, right?)
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:05 AM
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I meant, Brilliant! that is exactly the type
of seemingly pointless random observation
we need to cultivate, here,
which leads to our first postulate:

Inspiration is often unobscured when our minds
are in an alternate state, and we are not
thinking "normally."

A virtual breakthrough, one which also seems to verify
you as the Witness, if you read your post with that in mind.
(you are the Witness, right?)
I accept that altered phsycological position. As long as I don't have to get stoned again,though due to damage already done,some areas of my mentality remain in an altered state.
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:55 AM
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I accept that altered phsycological position. As long as I don't have to get stoned again,though due to damage already done,some areas of my mentality remain in an altered state.
Ah, I am reflecting that; one session of Foghat turned up to max with home speakers placed two feet apart and my head in between has caused some lasting effects...seemed like a good idea at the time.

And no; while stoning is a way to altered mind, it is a cheating way; there are better ways. Think what 40 days of fasting would do...
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Ok, and I figured out this guy's def of "Hitler is perfect"
(ha, hurts to even say it, huh?) he does not mean
as in "be ye perfect," that perfect we seek to attain
by following Christ--he means "perfectly manifested,"
which might also seem errant at first, but true.

A thorn bush is just a perfect manifestation of
...well, words get funny here, becuase it is really just a perfect manifestation,
but we'll say a perfect manifestation of the conditions that obtain,
from the pov of thorn bush.
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<...or at least when he veers, we'll see; at any rate, trust that we don't really care about physics here, per se>

...Quantum Physicists realized in the 1920's that our comonsense ideas were inadequate for describing subatomic phenomena. Bt shows that commonsense ideas are inadequate even to describe macroscopic events, events of the everyday world!

<unfortunately, in such a trippindicular way that I am going to have to dictate about three more pages, apparently 1-3 sentences at a time, lol, and then start working on our point><unless..? no> cont'd
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OK.

Ah, the Heretic speaks.
Actually, we're just about at the point
where "really, I do not know, hmm"
will be established to your satisfaction,
hopefully <you(r) being both "you" and "I"
there, hmm>

Hopefully that can be sensed out, as it is
trivial but important.
It will hopefully be established to your satisfaction
that "I do not know," wherein you are "I."
nevermind, I give up. On that part.
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