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Old 03-27-2008, 07:29 AM
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one-steppers, three-steppers

I see all this talk about one0steppers and three-steppers but how about and two-steppers??? or even four-steppers???

I guess if we have to claim how many steps it takes for a soul to get to heaven maybe we should as Jacob and the angels. Didn't he have the dream about the stairway and angels ascending and descending from heaven on it? Maybe they can tell us how many steps it takes to get there.

Okay seriously now, guess it would make me a four-steppers since I happen to believe that:

1) You have to BELIEVE on Jesus
2) You have to repent of your sins
3) You have to be Baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of said sins
4) You have to be filled with the Holy Ghost

Or can we just say that it is 4 distinct individual steps that exist co-equal and co-eternal that make ONE GIANT STEP?


If you believe on Jesus then you are going to follow the Bible and didn't Peter tell them on Pentecost that the way to be saved was to repent be baptized in Jesus name? and Didn't Jesus tell them that you must be born of water and of spirit if you want even see the Kingdom of God?

So come on lets start admitting our steps, we got one-steppers, three-steppers, now a four-stepper, how many want to admit to being two-steppers for Jesus?????
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Old 03-27-2008, 08:20 AM
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Re: one-steppers, three-steppers

Interesting thoughts. I think most people that are 3-steppers put your #1 and #2 together in the same step.
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Old 03-27-2008, 08:46 AM
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Re: one-steppers, three-steppers

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Interesting thoughts. I think most people that are 3-steppers put your #1 and #2 together in the same step.
No, I don't for a minute think faith and repentance are the same thing. Faith is the means that leads us to repent, faith in Christ leads us to be baptized, IOW without faith we would not do these things. Without faith we could not be filled with the Spirit. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit does not happen the moment we believe in Christ but it is our belief in Christ..our faith that is the means in which we seek God to receive His gift. Our faith is the impetus through which we ask God for his Spirit and He, seeing this faith in our hearts, fills us.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Faith is intangible like love, peace, and joy, but just as real.

I'm inclined to put #2 and #3 together.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:08 AM
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No, I don't for a minute think faith and repentance are the same thing. Faith is the means that leads us to repent, faith in Christ leads us to be baptized, IOW without faith we would not do these things. Without faith we could not be filled with the Spirit. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit does not happen the moment we believe in Christ but it is our belief in Christ..our faith that is the means in which we seek God to receive His gift. Our faith is the impetus through which we ask God for his Spirit and He, seeing this faith in our hearts, fills us.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Faith is intangible like love, peace, and joy, but just as real.

I'm inclined to put #2 and #3 together.

Amen...
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:44 AM
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No, I don't for a minute think faith and repentance are the same thing. Faith is the means that leads us to repent, faith in Christ leads us to be baptized, IOW without faith we would not do these things. Without faith we could not be filled with the Spirit. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit does not happen the moment we believe in Christ but it is our belief in Christ..our faith that is the means in which we seek God to receive His gift. Our faith is the impetus through which we ask God for his Spirit and He, seeing this faith in our hearts, fills us.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Faith is intangible like love, peace, and joy, but just as real.

I'm inclined to put #2 and #3 together.
Unless I am mistaken inorder to pray for repentance does one have to accept that Jesus is who He is? I disagree with you that faith an repentance are different. In order for repentance to work do you not have to have faith in the repentant process?
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I see all this talk about one0steppers and three-steppers but how about and two-steppers??? or even four-steppers???

I guess if we have to claim how many steps it takes for a soul to get to heaven maybe we should as Jacob and the angels. Didn't he have the dream about the stairway and angels ascending and descending from heaven on it? Maybe they can tell us how many steps it takes to get there.

Okay seriously now, guess it would make me a four-steppers since I happen to believe that:

1) You have to BELIEVE on Jesus
2) You have to repent of your sins
3) You have to be Baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of said sins
4) You have to be filled with the Holy Ghost

Or can we just say that it is 4 distinct individual steps that exist co-equal and co-eternal that make ONE GIANT STEP?


If you believe on Jesus then you are going to follow the Bible and didn't Peter tell them on Pentecost that the way to be saved was to repent be baptized in Jesus name? and Didn't Jesus tell them that you must be born of water and of spirit if you want even see the Kingdom of God?

So come on lets start admitting our steps, we got one-steppers, three-steppers, now a four-stepper, how many want to admit to being two-steppers for Jesus?????
I think that the 3, 4, 8, and 15 steppers are all going to be amazed at who they see in heaven. Just as all the poor souls who went through this life in legalistic bondage looking like death warmed over are going to find out what they lived under was not holiness at all.
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I think that the 3, 4, 8, and 15 steppers are all going to be amazed at who they see in heaven. Just as all the poor souls who went through this life in legalistic bondage looking like death warmed over are going to find out what they lived under was not holiness at all.
and then again the amazement might just be the other way around....

23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:30 AM
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and then again the amazement might just be the other way around....

23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

I actually agree with you that in comparison those who make it will be much fewer than those who don't. I think the surprise will come in the fact that living right is not what most have defined it to be.

Salvation is not a formula, but a relationship. Holiness is a condition of the heart not a hair style or mode of dress.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:33 AM
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I actually agree with you that in comparison those who make it will be much fewer than those who don't. I think the surprise will come in the fact that living right is not what most have defined it to be.

Salvation is not a formula, but a relationship. Holiness is a condition of the heart not a hair style or mode of dress.

Agreed.


But if not forced as a salvational issue,,,,,,what does it hurt??
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Agreed.


But if not forced as a salvational issue,,,,,,what does it hurt??
It doesn't hurt, in fact it may be beneficial. There seems to be more commitment to those who have "invested" in their salvation.
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