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Old 08-03-2008, 05:48 PM
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The Fear of The Lord

When we talk about the fear of the Lord, and how this group or that is losing it, maybe we should discuss what it really means.

What does it mean to have the "fear of the Lord" (TFOTL)?

Is it knowing that hell fire and brimstone will ran down if we disobey?
Is it quaking every minute of each day that we might somehow go over a line and not be able to return?
Is it living by a list of rules we think will make us acceptable in His sight?

We often talk about the Love of the Lord and how His Love is so great. It's not just great, but the greatest and truly unfathomable. But can true love exist without true hatred? To understand His love we also have to understand what He hates.

Let's look at the Word. Here are verses that tells what TFOTL will do and/or what results it will bring to an individual.

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(Job 28:28) And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

(Psa 19:9) The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

(Psa 34:11) Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

(Psa 111:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

(Pro 1:7) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

(Pro 2:5) Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

(Pro 9:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

(Pro 10:27) The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened.

(Pro 14:26) In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

(Pro 14:27) The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

(Pro 15:16) Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.

(Pro 15:33) The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

(Pro 16:6) By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

(Pro 19:23) The fear of the LORD tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.

(Pro 22:4) By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.

(Pro 23:17) Let not thine heart envy sinners: but be thou in the fear of the LORD all the day long.
Enlightening isn't it? But it hasn't told us what TFOTL is. Here we have the definition.

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(Pro 8:13) The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
So you see it doesn't matter what camp or category one puts their self in, if you do not hate evil you do not fear the Lord.

It would be a good thing to study this out a bit and see what each of these attribute of evil really entails.

Note that these are attributes of actions and attitudes taken by the individual and not a hatred for that individual!
One can hate sin and love the sinner. Jesus did!

A true relationship with Him will be equal parts loving what He loves and hating what He hates!
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The fear of the Lord means to reverence God.
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The fear of the Lord means to reverence God.
What's your definition of "reverence"?
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When we talk about the fear of the Lord, and how this group or that is losing it, maybe we should discuss what it really means.

What does it mean to have the "fear of the Lord" (TFOTL)?

Is it knowing that hell fire and brimstone will ran down if we disobey?
Is it quaking every minute of each day that we might somehow go over a line and not be able to return?
Is it living by a list of rules we think will make us acceptable in His sight?

We often talk about the Love of the Lord and how His Love is so great. It's not just great, but the greatest and truly unfathomable. But can true love exist without true hatred? To understand His love we also have to understand what He hates.

Let's look at the Word. Here are verses that tells what TFOTL will do and/or what results it will bring to an individual.



Enlightening isn't it? But it hasn't told us what TFOTL is. Here we have the definition.


So you see it doesn't matter what camp or category one puts their self in, if you do not hate evil you do not fear the Lord.

It would be a good thing to study this out a bit and see what each of these attribute of evil really entails.

Note that these are attributes of actions and attitudes taken by the individual and not a hatred for that individual!
One can hate sin and love the sinner. Jesus did!

A true relationship with Him will be equal parts loving what He loves and hating what He hates!
John Bevere's book, "The Fear of the Lord" is absolutely fantastic and will cause you to review your walk with God.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:22 PM
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I fear God because I know He is just and will punish me if I do wrong and with Him there is no partiality. If you sin, you pay the penalty. We reap what we sow in this life and in the next. That is why the fear of God causes men to depart from evil.
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I fear God because I know He is just and will punish me if I do wrong and with Him there is no partiality. If you sin, you pay the penalty. We reap what we sow in this life and in the next. That is why the fear of God causes men to depart from evil.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Re: The Fear of The Lord

The fear of the Lord is respect or "reverence". But what is lost is the fear where if you sin you will be punished. Is this New Testament?

7: Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
8: Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10: Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11: So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12: Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13: But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14: For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15: While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16: For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17: But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18: And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19: So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Heb. 3:7-19

Notice this warning is directed at the believers! It is based upon what? When God punished Israel for their sins against him. These who's bodies fell in the wilderness is what Paul is wanting us to pay attention to.

If you sin you might die.

Can I give a second witness?

1: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3: And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6: Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7: Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8: Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10: Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11: Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1 Cor. 10:1-11

Its the same thing! The Spirit of God warns the New Testament disciple that if they sin they could indeed be punished quick and severe.

These EXAMPLES are given to US who live at the end of the world!

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

To reject this truth is very dangerous. The Spirit of God has given us these warnings for a reason. To HIM fear is an excellent motivator.

1: Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Cor. 7:1
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Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
I don't live in fear of my heavenly Father but I definitely have a healthy respect in regard to the consequences of disobedience. But I don't want to go there...into sin. He took me out of that garbage and cleaned me up and now I want my life, all that I think, speak, and do to honor Him.

I would cringe in shame if I was to somehow bring a reproach on the name of Christ. If someone was to look at my life (an epistle known and read of all men) and say "If that's what it means to be a Christian, then I don't want it!" That would devastate me if I was to dishonor God in such a way.
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I don't live in fear of my heavenly Father but I definitely have a healthy respect in regard to the consequences of disobedience. But I don't want to go there...into sin. He took me out of that garbage and cleaned me up and now I want my life, all that I think, speak, and do to honor Him.

I would cringe in shame if I was to somehow bring a reproach on the name of Christ. If someone was to look at my life (an epistle known and read of all men) and say "If that's what it means to be a Christian, then I don't want it!" That would devastate me if I was to dishonor God in such a way.
Well said! I have seen photos of folks in national church leadership that if I were to judge by the look on their face I would not want to digest what they had been digesting. Our face and attitude should express an inner joy and peace if we are filled with His Spirit.

To truly Love Jesus we must hate what He hates. If I read the Gospels correctly He truly hated the actions that made folks hypocrites and he loved those that were in need.
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What's your definition of "reverence"?
uh....to fear....

A feeling of profound awe and respect and often love; veneration
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