Wars Against the Soul?

[Praxeas]

1Pe 2:11 Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul.

What do you all think this means? Is this a salvific issue?

Another verse
2Pe 2:7 And He delivered righteous Lot, oppressed with the lustful behavior of the lawless.
2Pe 2:8 For that righteous one living among them, in seeing and hearing, his righteous soul was tormented from day to day with their unlawful deeds

Lot was oppressed not in partaking but passively. He chose this city. He chose to remain there. It was an unwise decision that the righteous make from time to time. What exactly was being done to Lot's soul? Was it just causing him personally emotional stress or was something happening to him spiritually speaking?

[Amanah]

if i remember correctly, didn't Lot throw his girls out on the street to be raped, and then when they left the city they got him drunk so they could have his kids?

I think he was messed up.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Amanah

if i remember correctly, didn't Lot throw his girls out on the street to be raped, and then when they left the city they got him drunk so they could have his kids?

I think he was messed up.

And yet God still saved him, kicking and screaming the whole way. When I feel like I am not quite measuring up either by an inch or by a mile, I think of Lot. Granted there are some who really believe that it was MUCH easier for God to save people in the OT versus the new -after all look at Lot as an example or the biggest "problem" of them all, the Thief on the Cross.

[Cindy]

It can become a salvific issue, I think. If we don't keep the flesh under control by the Holy Ghost.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

1Pe 2:11 Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul.

What do you all think this means? Is this a salvific issue?

Another verse
2Pe 2:7 And He delivered righteous Lot, oppressed with the lustful behavior of the lawless.
2Pe 2:8 For that righteous one living among them, in seeing and hearing, his righteous soul was tormented from day to day with their unlawful deeds

Lot was oppressed not in partaking but passively. He chose this city. He chose to remain there. It was an unwise decision that the righteous make from time to time. What exactly was being done to Lot's soul? Was it just causing him personally emotional stress or was something happening to him spiritually speaking?

well lot was rightous compared to those people in the city, but i dont know if this would be dealing of a salvation issue, like you will lose it. but more along the lines it will cause your great distress.

It sorta reminds me of when jerusalem came into the promise land. They did not do the will of God and left nations in there even though God commanded them to be pushed out.

So since they did not do it, they truely have been tormented ever since then by those very same nations they left. They became thorns in the side of israel

another example i dont smoke cant stand the smell of it, but if i choose to go outside in sit in a smoking area, i am going to be grieved by my decision. cause i am purposly harming myself to what i hate by allowing myself to sit in that area.

just a thought

[Amanah]

even if it isn't a matter of salvation, his choice of environment caused suffering and misery for him, his children, and their children for generations.

the Moabites and Amonites were in conflict with the Israelites

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

well lot was rightous compared to those people in the city, but i dont know if this would be dealing of a salvation issue, like you will lose it. but more along the lines it will cause your great distress.

It sorta reminds me of when jerusalem came into the promise land. They did not do the will of God and left nations in there even though God commanded them to be pushed out.

So since they did not do it, they truely have been tormented ever since then by those very same nations they left. They became thorns in the side of israel

another example i dont smoke cant stand the smell of it, but if i choose to go outside in sit in a smoking area, i am going to be grieved by my decision. cause i am purposly harming myself to what i hate by allowing myself to sit in that area.

just a thought

Israel eventually did backslide due in part to compromising with the heathen cultures around them, adopting their gods and lifestyles then forgetting about the word of God

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

And yet God still saved him, kicking and screaming the whole way. When I feel like I am not quite measuring up either by an inch or by a mile, I think of Lot. Granted there are some who really believe that it was MUCH easier for God to save people in the OT versus the new -after all look at Lot as an example or the biggest "problem" of them all, the Thief on the Cross.

Saving one's life from immediate death, and claiming ones soul righteous to prevent eternal damnation is very much a separate issue.

Also, Abraham bargained with God. 100 righteous. 50. 10. 1. Hmm seem like Lot was not righteous.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by NorCal

Saving one's life from immediate death, and claiming ones soul righteous to prevent eternal damnation is very much a separate issue.

Also, Abraham bargained with God. 100 righteous. 50. 10. 1. Hmm seem like Lot was not righteous.

So was Abraham a type of Christ in this situation?

[Austin]

Stay away from the wine and strong drinks, so that your eyes will not behold strange women, and in todays' world, we might add, strange men as well..