What about Ron Paul?

[TK Burk]

I noticed that a thread's title here mentions the "top runners" in the Presidential bid, but fails to mention Dr. Ron Paul. To insure that no one accuses AFF of not being a balanced forum, I started this thread. :stirpot

Now, has anyone listened to Ron Paul's message? Can a man like Paul be elected today while running on a platform that includes doing away with income tax, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and much of the US's foreign intervention? I’ve noticed that he is seldom mentioned by the news services, yet he often comes in first in the straw polls. He says that strong support will win him the electorate votes in the end.

In this recent YAHOO INTERVIEW (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=6207088&ch=5987738&src=news) (scroll to the one that mentions Ron Paul), Paul talks about many of his more 'controversial' positions. These, he says, are his positions because they are in line with the US Constitution.

What do you think? Can Paul make it? What would the US be like if his policies made it to the White House?

[DividedThigh]

the reason nobody is talking about him is because he is toast, he has some good ideas i guess and some bad ones too, dt:stirpot

[TK Burk]

the reason nobody is talking about him is because he is toast, he has some good ideas i guess and some bad ones too, dt:stirpot

He is still taking in financial support and is placing high in the straw polls. That is far from ‘toast.’

As far as your answer; what does "he has some good ideas i guess and some bad ones too" mean? Have you looked at what Paul stands for, or are you just writing him off due to him not being in the mainline news service's headlines? His policies alone make Paul very dangerous to the status quo of our current government system. But is he right?

[Esther]

The media only has McCain and Clinton with Obama as a possiblity.

Time will tell.

So far I like Ron Paul better than most.

I'm not crazy about his foreign policy.

[TK Burk]

The media only has McCain and Clinton with Obama as a possiblity.

Time will tell.

So far I like Ron Paul better than most.

I'm not crazy about his foreign policy.

What part of his foreign policy?

[Monkeyman]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/JonTheMonkeyman/toast-1.jpg

[DividedThigh]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/JonTheMonkeyman/toast-1.jpg

that looks like toast to me, lol,dt:stirpot

[Digging4Truth]

On the average Ron Paul cannot be discussed here.

There are those of us who like Ron Paul.
There are those who find him interesting.
There are those who do not like Ron Paul.

And there are the few who will spew continual nonsensical & consistently negative dribble and ruin the whole thread.

It would be nice to discuss these things on an even keel where people who see things differently discuss their varying views but I have given up trying it on this forum when it pertains to Ron Paul.

Hopefully you will have better success but it will be without further comment from me as I have tired long ago to subjecting myself to those who so rabidly hate the idea that I dare find him as the candidate I support.

[ReformedDave]

While I'm a Christian libertarian I can't see Ron Paul having much impact on this race. But he has raised a ton of money and has many supporters. I can see him promoting races in the future on a more local level and continue to preach his message.

This current election is shaping up to demonstrate the need for a third party. If McCain gets the nod many conservatives may look other places. There is no real difference between the two parties anymore.

[Ferd]

D4T is talking about me! LOL!

you can have your discussion, I wont call him crazy...again...


however, I would like to point out that RP did in the last debate bring up the notion of returning America to the Gold Standard. THAT is just plain insane.

Also Straw Polls on the internet dont get anyone a victory. It just means you have more people willing to vote on the internet. thus far, RP has not gotten to 10% in any state that has voted.

There is a reason that Rudy and Thompson have pulled out, they couldnt get the votes..

Now return to the discussion about the great Ron Paul and how he believes in the Constitution..... just remember his view of the constitution is the 1811 view.

[DividedThigh]

On the average Ron Paul cannot be discussed here.

There are those of us who like Ron Paul.
There are those who find him interesting.
There are those who do not like Ron Paul.

And there are the few who will spew continual nonsensical & consistently negative dribble and ruin the whole thread.

It would be nice to discuss these things on an even keel where people who see things differently discuss their varying views but I have given up trying it on this forum when it pertains to Ron Paul.

Hopefully you will have better success but it will be without further comment from me as I have tired long ago to subjecting myself to those who so rabidly hate the idea that I dare find him as the candidate I support.

good post diggin, i think some of his ideas are good, i just have difficulty with his blame america first mentality, moho, dt:tvhappy

[TK Burk]

While I'm a Christian libertarian I can't see Ron Paul having much impact on this race. But he has raised a ton of money and has many supporters. I can see him promoting races in the future on a more local level and continue to preach his message.

This current election is shaping up to demonstrate the need for a third party. If McCain gets the nod many conservatives may look other places. There is no real difference between the two parties anymore.

I agree with the need for a third party. Good post!

[Pressing-On]

While I'm a Christian libertarian I can't see Ron Paul having much impact on this race. But he has raised a ton of money and has many supporters. I can see him promoting races in the future on a more local level and continue to preach his message.

This current election is shaping up to demonstrate the need for a third party. If McCain gets the nod many conservatives may look other places. There is no real difference between the two parties anymore.
Good post! Yes it is shaping up for a third party - very interesting that will be.

[TK Burk]

D4T is talking about me! LOL!

you can have your discussion, I wont call him crazy...again...


however, I would like to point out that RP did in the last debate bring up the notion of returning America to the Gold Standard. THAT is just plain insane.

Also Straw Polls on the internet dont get anyone a victory. It just means you have more people willing to vote on the internet. thus far, RP has not gotten to 10% in any state that has voted.

There is a reason that Rudy and Thompson have pulled out, they couldnt get the votes..

Now return to the discussion about the great Ron Paul and how he believes in the Constitution..... just remember his view of the constitution is the 1811 view.


Are you a judge by any chance? Just wondering since many of them today do support changing the Constitution's original position to better fit our current climate. :stirpot

I think Ron Paul represents something bigger than just a political race for the White House; I see him as a standing example of just how far the people of the US have allowed their freedoms to errode, and how little many of them care about that loss.

[Pressing-On]

What part of his foreign policy?
I have met Ron Paul and talked with him. He is an absolute gentlemen! I agree with many of the issues he raises and stands for.

One thing that has always bothered me is his foreign policy. We are in a time where the country will not abide a Neville Chamberlain and that is what has hurt Ron Paul.

Another thing that has hurt him is the media constantly over riding the "intent" of what he actually is saying and stands for.

I will give you one example: He is scorned for saying he wants to get rid of the CIA and FBI.

What he actually said is, I am typing from memory, so words to the effect - We have allowed men to come into our country, learn to fly aircraft, use that aircraft to run into buildings. If that's the best the FBI can do, then we don't need them.

So the spin.

Ferd will need to go into further detail on the Gold Standard. That is one of his pet peeves. I'll let him explain that part.

[Pressing-On]

D4T is talking about me! LOL!

you can have your discussion, I wont call him crazy...again...


however, I would like to point out that RP did in the last debate bring up the notion of returning America to the Gold Standard. THAT is just plain insane.

Also Straw Polls on the internet dont get anyone a victory. It just means you have more people willing to vote on the internet. thus far, RP has not gotten to 10% in any state that has voted.

There is a reason that Rudy and Thompson have pulled out, they couldnt get the votes..

Now return to the discussion about the great Ron Paul and how he believes in the Constitution..... just remember his view of the constitution is the 1811 view.
I'm sure Ron is saying that he doesn't have a lot of confidence in the Fiat currency being that it is primarily based on faith the money will remain relatively stable in value.

He is just wanting the "gold standard" as a fixed price in all countries.

Isn't that right, Ferd?

[Esther]

Good post! Yes it is shaping up for a third party - very interesting that will be.

I agree!

[Ferd]

Are you a judge by any chance? Just wondering since many of them today do support changing the Constitution's original position to better fit our current climate. :stirpot

I think Ron Paul represents something bigger than just a political race for the White House; I see him as a standing example of just how far the people of the US have allowed their freedoms to errode, and how little many of them care about that loss.

Not a judge but certainly a student of history (it was my college major)

and while it is true that freedoms to some degree have eroded, it isnt nearly as bad as RP thinks, in my humble opinion.

I believe we should appoint strict constructionist judges. I think a person should be disquaified for the supreme court if they are not.

However, Ron Pauls view doesnt match the constitution as it exists with the Amendments that are now a part of it, regardless of his ranting.


Ron Paul views the constitution as the LAW of the land and not the guide post for the law. These are vastly different things!

We agree that the Supreme Court should not be in the business of creating law like Roe. However we disagree on the roll of congress! Ron Paul believes the Congress has vertually NO roll in American government. This is the extreme position of Liberatarianism. It simply doesnt work. The Constitution is our guide, but the Framers created the congress to provide the law.

Ron Pauls words and actions fly in the fact of that simple fact.


PLUS HE WANTS TO RETURN TO THE GOLD STANDARD! DID YOU HEAR THAT??????

[Ferd]

I'm sure Ron is saying that he doesn't have a lot of confidence in the Fiat currency being that it is primarily based on faith the money will remain relatively stable in value.

He is just wanting the "gold standard" as a fixed price in all countries.

Isn't that right, Ferd?

Uhm, you do realize the religious implications of "fixed price in all countries" dont you?

[Pressing-On]

Uhm, you do realize the religious implications of "fixed price in all countries" dont you?
Sort of, but not to the extent that you do. I'd like you to explain it, if you have the time. I think I have OPEC on my mind and that it isn't fair for that group to decide when our gas prices can rise and fall.

[Pressing-On]

Not a judge but certainly a student of history (it was my college major)

and while it is true that freedoms to some degree have eroded, it isnt nearly as bad as RP thinks, in my humble opinion.

I believe we should appoint strict constructionist judges. I think a person should be disquaified for the supreme court if they are not.

However, Ron Pauls view doesnt match the constitution as it exists with the Amendments that are now a part of it, regardless of his ranting.


Ron Paul views the constitution as the LAW of the land and not the guide post for the law. These are vastly different things!

We agree that the Supreme Court should not be in the business of creating law like Roe. However we disagree on the roll of congress! Ron Paul believes the Congress has vertually NO roll in American government. This is the extreme position of Liberatarianism. It simply doesnt work. The Constitution is our guide, but the Framers created the congress to provide the law.

Ron Pauls words and actions fly in the fact of that simple fact.


PLUS HE WANTS TO RETURN TO THE GOLD STANDARD! DID YOU HEAR THAT??????
and while it is true that freedoms to some degree have eroded, it isnt nearly as bad as RP thinks, in my humble opinion.
I agree.

The Constitution is our guide, but the Framers created the congress to provide the law.
But not against the will of the people.

[Ferd]

Sort of, but not to the extent that you do. I'd like you to explain it, if you have the time.

If all nations were on the Gold standard, there would effectivly be one world currency.

i need to find the article on the current Fed Chief I red the other day. it was very good and pointed to some information on the gold standard and the roll it has played in American economic swings.

bottom line, we have not had the same extreme economic swings since leaving the gold standard as we had before. the great depression was not the first serious depression in America. There were panics every 15 years or so before that, since we have not seen a single event that comes close.

American monitary policy is only part of the issue. the fact is, American curency is tied to the TBill and always has been. When interest rates were high, US Currency was extremely valuable in the world, now that we have kept interest rates low, its value has decreased.

that is both good and bad. inflation has been by and large in check, yet it also impacts international trade in a negative way.

Returning to the Gold standard will do little to ease the Monitary problems we have related to the value of the US Dollar in the world market, but it will eliminate the flexability we have in dealing with economic events like the one we are currently in.

[Ferd]

But not against the will of the people.

which is why we live in a representative republic. you get to toss the knuckheads out every few years...

[Pressing-On]

If all nations were on the Gold standard, there would effectivly be on world currency.

i need to find the article on the current Fed Chief I red the other day. it was very good and pointed to some information on the gold standard and the roll it has played in American economic swings.

bottom line, we have not had the same extreme economic swings since leaving the gold standard as we had before. the great depression was not the first serious depression in America. There were panics every 15 years or so before that, since we have not seen a single event that comes close.

American monitary policy is only part of the issue. the fact is, American curency is tied to the TBill and always has been. When interest rates were high, US Currency was extremely valuable in the world, now that we have kept interest rates low, its value has decreased.

that is both good and bad. inflation has been by and large in check, yet it also impacts international trade in a negative way.

Returning to the Gold standard will do little to ease the Monitary problems we have related to the value of the US Dollar in the world market, but it will eliminate the flexability we have in dealing with economic events like the one we are currently in.

bottom line, we have not had the same extreme economic swings since leaving the gold standard as we had before. the great depression was not the first serious depression in America. There were panics every 15 years or so before that, since we have not seen a single event that comes close.

Thanks. I'd love to read the article if you come across it. Sometimes it is all so very complicated!

[Pressing-On]

which is why we live in a representative republic. you get to toss the knuckheads out every few years...

We did? When? :toofunny

[TK Burk]

If all nations were on the Gold standard, there would effectivly be one world currency.

i need to find the article on the current Fed Chief I red the other day. it was very good and pointed to some information on the gold standard and the roll it has played in American economic swings.

bottom line, we have not had the same extreme economic swings since leaving the gold standard as we had before. the great depression was not the first serious depression in America. There were panics every 15 years or so before that, since we have not seen a single event that comes close.

American monitary policy is only part of the issue. the fact is, American curency is tied to the TBill and always has been. When interest rates were high, US Currency was extremely valuable in the world, now that we have kept interest rates low, its value has decreased.

that is both good and bad. inflation has been by and large in check, yet it also impacts international trade in a negative way.

Returning to the Gold standard will do little to ease the Monitary problems we have related to the value of the US Dollar in the world market, but it will eliminate the flexability we have in dealing with economic events like the one we are currently in.

So do you believe the Federal Reserve is the system we should be using today?

[brotherjason]

I wish Ron Paul would get the Republican nod but I know he wont. All this talk about the elections being fixed, well, any way, I'm starting to believe it. No matter if we get a Baal-zeebublican or Demoncrat in office they will be cloned from the same political genes as Bush. I know I'm sounding like a conspiracy theory kook (course I am actually) but I look for another "terrorist attack" in this country and Bush using it to somehow stay in office. Ok, throw your rotten tomatoes at me :)!

[DividedThigh]

I wish Ron Paul would get the Republican nod but I know he wont. All this talk about the elections being fixed, well, any way, I'm starting to believe it. No matter if we get a Baal-zeebublican or Demoncrat in office they will be cloned from the same political genes as Bush. I know I'm sounding like a conspiracy theory kook (course I am actually) but I look for another "terrorist attack" in this country and Bush using it to somehow stay in office. Ok, throw your rotten tomatoes at me :)!

ok bro cause after reading that i was wondering lol,dt:tvhappy

[Walkbyfaith7]

Talk about economy- It would be a much better economy with Ron Paul because he doesn't believe in spending money we don't have.

Abolishing the federal reserve- We do not need part public but mostly PRIVATE banks to run our finances for this country.

We need to stop inflation, stop printing money to fund our wars and stop setting up other country's political systems.

I like what he said about our bridges- our bridges are collapsing here in the US and we are too busy blowing up bridges in other countries. Wow. Wish the media would have really covered that statement!

[Ferd]

So do you believe the Federal Reserve is the system we should be using today?

it is certainly better than a system frought with deflationary cycles.

[Ferd]

Talk about economy- It would be a much better economy with Ron Paul because he doesn't believe in spending money we don't have.

Abolishing the federal reserve- We do not need part public but mostly PRIVATE banks to run our finances for this country.

We need to stop inflation, stop printing money to fund our wars and stop setting up other country's political systems.

I like what he said about our bridges- our bridges are collapsing here in the US and we are too busy blowing up bridges in other countries. Wow. Wish the media would have really covered that statement!

stop inflation.... an interesting statement for someone advocting Ron Paul and abolishing the Fed.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Since Ron Paul is being discussed here,read his articles for yourself.
http://ronpaul2008.com

[Fiyahstarter]

Talk about economy- It would be a much better economy with Ron Paul because he doesn't believe in spending money we don't have.

Abolishing the federal reserve- We do not need part public but mostly PRIVATE banks to run our finances for this country.

We need to stop inflation, stop printing money to fund our wars and stop setting up other country's political systems.

I like what he said about our bridges- our bridges are collapsing here in the US and we are too busy blowing up bridges in other countries. Wow. Wish the media would have really covered that statement!

The MEDIA??? They aint giving Ron Paul the time of day. That should tell you something right there.

(Funny, in religion, I'm considered liberal. In politics, I'm conservative. So I guess I'm a liberal conservative.)

[Fiyahstarter]

Someone give me their spin on the following:

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

[Ferd]

Someone give me their spin on the following:

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

black helichopter alert?

[Ferd]

The MEDIA??? They aint giving Ron Paul the time of day. That should tell you something right there.

(Funny, in religion, I'm considered liberal. In politics, I'm conservative. So I guess I'm a liberal conservative.)

this is silly. Mike Huckabee wasnt getting the time of day either. Then he won Iowa. then he got media attention. He is back in 3rd place and isnt getting the attention.

attention is about winning Ron Paul cant get out of the celler.... because too many of us understand that the gold standard is BAD.

[OP_Carl]

Can a man like Paul be elected today while running on a platform that includes doing away with income tax, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and much of the US's foreign intervention? No, he cannot. The ownership and other controlling interests of the mass media won't allow it. They and their sphere of influence would suffer under Paul's reformations, as would the socialism that they support either out of sincerity or cynical populism.

I’ve noticed that he is seldom mentioned by the news services, yet he often comes in first in the straw polls. He says that strong support will win him the electorate votes in the end. The news services are intentionally trying to bury him. He is far too much of a threat to the status quo. Look at the "conservatives" that are getting air time these days: guys that for all practical purposes are just as defective on the issues as the socialists running for the Democrat nomination, or guys like Huckabee that the media is propping up cynically, as they have done the math and know that he would be clobbered in the general if he won the Repub nomination.

These, he says, are his positions because they are in line with the US Constitution. I'm all for constitutional purity, but our horrendous jumble of "programs" wasn't built overnight, and it can't be de-constructed overnight either. What is it - something like 1/5? - of the workforce works for the government. A leader that drew out the long knives and began to use them on the obscenely bloated bureaucracies would find himself dogged incessantly with stories of human suffering due to all the resulting unemployment.

What do you think? I think it's a crying shame that the communists have succeeded so well at their long march through the institutions, and the average publicly-educated American has no idea how far off track things are in this country, or what ought to be done to fix them. There is no notion of thrift, sacrifice, pride, nor honor. Everybody just sees the great swelling teat of government largesse, and they all cry for their "fair" share, never realizing that one man's "benefit" was either another man's compulsory tax, or currency-devaluing deficit spending.

Can Paul make it?Sadly, he can not. It is too late to save us from ourselves.

What would the US be like if his policies made it to the White House? It would be a time of great upheaval, and the legion of fans of the present socialist programs large and small would quickly garner sympathy for the cause of re-instituting them.

[Walkbyfaith7]

stop inflation.... an interesting statement for someone advocting Ron Paul and abolishing the Fed.

Why is that interesting?

The federal reserve can print up all the money they want to finance a war we can not afford. We are broke as a country and now it's time you and me start to feel the crunch.

You print more money, that creates INFLATION. The more dollars that come out of no where will make our dollar even weaker.

The real battle is with other countries that are trying to own ours from the inside. It's not with the military but some are too blind or ignorant to see.

[Walkbyfaith7]

this is silly. Mike Huckabee wasnt getting the time of day either. Then he won Iowa. then he got media attention. He is back in 3rd place and isnt getting the attention.

attention is about winning Ron Paul cant get out of the celler.... because too many of us understand that the gold standard is BAD.

It's not silly. Ron Paul recieved more votes than Rudy up until Florida and still Ron Paul was being left out.

Ron Paul was the one being left out of debates and had more votes than others that were in it!

[OP_Carl]

The fourth estate is flexing its substantial muscle. Unfortunately. The sum total of executive decision making about what is included in TV programming and what is excluded, (and this means news, too) is done by a very small cadre of people.

[helen_febus]

I wish Ron Paul would get the Republican nod but I know he wont. All this talk about the elections being fixed, well, any way, I'm starting to believe it. No matter if we get a Baal-zeebublican or Demoncrat in office they will be cloned from the same political genes as Bush. I know I'm sounding like a conspiracy theory kook (course I am actually) but I look for another "terrorist attack" in this country and Bush using it to somehow stay in office. Ok, throw your rotten tomatoes at me :)!
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I too, am a supporter of Ron Paul, I think he could do much good for America.

I also agree with you on the rest of your post. However, many people are expecting something like this to happen; so it will be a little harder to cover up than 911.

[pelathais]

I noticed that a thread's title here mentions the "top runners" in the Presidential bid, but fails to mention Dr. Ron Paul. To insure that no one accuses AFF of not being a balanced forum, I started this thread. :stirpot

Now, has anyone listened to Ron Paul's message? Can a man like Paul be elected today while running on a platform that includes doing away with income tax, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and much of the US's foreign intervention? I’ve noticed that he is seldom mentioned by the news services, yet he often comes in first in the straw polls. He says that strong support will win him the electorate votes in the end.

In this recent YAHOO INTERVIEW (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=6207088&ch=5987738&src=news) (scroll to the one that mentions Ron Paul), Paul talks about many of his more 'controversial' positions. These, he says, are his positions because they are in line with the US Constitution.

What do you think? Can Paul make it? What would the US be like if his policies made it to the White House?
Thank you for starting this thread. No Internet forum should ever be thought of as "unbalanced," least of all AFF.

Many have sought to do away with the IRS and some of the current structures. Steve Forbes brought it up back in the '90's with the Flat Tax. The "foreign intervention" is always going to be a debate. We've gone through periods of isolationism like between the World Wars, but look at how that turned out.

I don't think Paul stands a chance. And after his statements that America "brought 9/11 on itself" I wouldn't give him the time of day. I would prefer a patriot in the White House.

[Rev]

I noticed that a thread's title here mentions the "top runners" in the Presidential bid, but fails to mention Dr. Ron Paul. To insure that no one accuses AFF of not being a balanced forum, I started this thread. :stirpot

Now, has anyone listened to Ron Paul's message? Can a man like Paul be elected today while running on a platform that includes doing away with income tax, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and much of the US's foreign intervention? I’ve noticed that he is seldom mentioned by the news services, yet he often comes in first in the straw polls. He says that strong support will win him the electorate votes in the end.

In this recent YAHOO INTERVIEW (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=6207088&ch=5987738&src=news) (scroll to the one that mentions Ron Paul), Paul talks about many of his more 'controversial' positions. These, he says, are his positions because they are in line with the US Constitution.

What do you think? Can Paul make it? What would the US be like if his policies made it to the White House?


"doing away with income tax, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and much of the US's foreign intervention?"

The american people as a whole don't understand this stuff. They think it can't be done.

I think he would make a great president, but if he is elected they will do away with him! Just like Kennedy and Kennedy!

[Walkbyfaith7]

Thank you for starting this thread. No Internet forum should ever be thought of as "unbalanced," least of all AFF.

Many have sought to do away with the IRS and some of the current structures. Steve Forbes brought it up back in the '90's with the Flat Tax. The "foreign intervention" is always going to be a debate. We've gone through periods of isolationism like between the World Wars, but look at how that turned out.

I don't think Paul stands a chance. And after his statements that America "brought 9/11 on itself" I wouldn't give him the time of day. I would prefer a patriot in the White House.

Sometimes the truth hurts but if you look at our foreign policy we did and do anger people and countries because of our bully tactics.

We've been over in Iraq for decades...this is nothing new. They know we want to keep a foothold in the middle east because we are protecting OIL and Israel, our ally.

If some country or body of people tried to do the same thing to us that we have done to Iraq we would all fight till the death, right?

Why do you expect them to be ok with our soldiers being over there on their soil? Why should they be forced to take on our political/economical system?

Our foreign policy is why people came after us during the 9-11 attacks.
They hate us not because we are free but because we bully other countries, (well at least the countries that we can without it getting to bloody).

And by the way, Ron Paul is a patriot. He was in the military and saved lives and has delivered over 4000 babies as a medical doctor. Being a patriot doesn't mean you must kill others. It means you stand for the interest of our people in this country and for the good of the country.

He has been married to his wife for 51 years! How many can say that?
He is a Christian example to all.

[TK Burk]

Sometimes the truth hurts but if you look at our foreign policy we did and do anger people and countries because of our bully tactics.

We've been over in Iraq for decades...this is nothing new. They know we want to keep a foothold in the middle east because we are protecting OIL and Israel, our ally.

If some country or body of people tried to do the same thing to us that we have done to Iraq we would all fight till the death, right?

Why do you expect them to be ok with our soldiers being over there on their soil? Why should they be forced to take on our political/economical system?

Our foreign policy is why people came after us during the 9-11 attacks.
They hate us not because we are free but because we bully other countries, (well at least the countries that we can without it getting to bloody).

And by the way, Ron Paul is a patriot. He was in the military and saved lives and has delivered over 4000 babies as a medical doctor. Being a patriot doesn't mean you must kill others. It means you stand for the interest of our people in this country and for the good of the country.

He has been married to his wife for 51 years! How many can say that?
He is a Christian example to all.

I think your post explains why this thread went flatline. I believe you gave more than most can chew on at one time, but I must say, it is a really good bite! :hanky

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sometimes the truth hurts but if you look at our foreign policy we did and do anger people and countries because of our bully tactics.

We've been over in Iraq for decades...this is nothing new. They know we want to keep a foothold in the middle east because we are protecting OIL and Israel, our ally.

If some country or body of people tried to do the same thing to us that we have done to Iraq we would all fight till the death, right?

Why do you expect them to be ok with our soldiers being over there on their soil? Why should they be forced to take on our political/economical system?

Our foreign policy is why people came after us during the 9-11 attacks.
They hate us not because we are free but because we bully other countries, (well at least the countries that we can without it getting to bloody).

And by the way, Ron Paul is a patriot. He was in the military and saved lives and has delivered over 4000 babies as a medical doctor. Being a patriot doesn't mean you must kill others. It means you stand for the interest of our people in this country and for the good of the country.

He has been married to his wife for 51 years! How many can say that?
He is a Christian example to all.

You're correct, and when a man is right you have to give him a thumbs up.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Rogue_State_Blum.html

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

[Rev]

You're correct, and when a man is right you have to give him a thumbs up.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Rogue_State_Blum.html

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

Yep!

[Michael The Disciple]

One reason Paul has not "caught fire" is because he is a humble man. You dont hear him boasting "I will do this or that" like the others. To become President you must be strongly ego driven which he is not.

The man is more of a teacher. He deserves a high position in Government.....teaching the Constitution! Yet the Government (whoever they may be) does not want the people to know the Constitution. It would expose their misdeeds.

He is just using what pittance of time they allow him for educating the people who are listening. He must feel a great sense of destiny as he is influencing many young minds. He approaches the Constitution like we approach the Bible. As it were a "living document".

I have come to appreciate the man. He has no chance to win. But another man with more flash and Charisma might do well with his message election after this.

[Fiyahstarter]

One reason Paul has not "caught fire" is because he is a humble man. You dont hear him boasting "I will do this or that" like the others. To become President you must be strongly ego driven which he is not.

The man is more of a teacher. He deserves a high position in Government.....teaching the Constitution! Yet the Government (whoever they may be) does not want the people to know the Constitution. It would expose their misdeeds.

He is just using what pittance of time they allow him for educating the people who are listening. He must feel a great sense of destiny as he is influencing many young minds. He approaches the Constitution like we approach the Bible. As it were a "living document".

I have come to appreciate the man. He has no chance to win. But another man with more flash and Charisma might do well with his message election after this.

Good post!

[Walkbyfaith7]

You're correct, and when a man is right you have to give him a thumbs up.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Rogue_State_Blum.html

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

Wow Brother so are you saying we agree on something!? I can die now :)

[Walkbyfaith7]

One reason Paul has not "caught fire" is because he is a humble man. You dont hear him boasting "I will do this or that" like the others. To become President you must be strongly ego driven which he is not.

The man is more of a teacher. He deserves a high position in Government.....teaching the Constitution! Yet the Government (whoever they may be) does not want the people to know the Constitution. It would expose their misdeeds.

He is just using what pittance of time they allow him for educating the people who are listening. He must feel a great sense of destiny as he is influencing many young minds. He approaches the Constitution like we approach the Bible. As it were a "living document".

I have come to appreciate the man. He has no chance to win. But another man with more flash and Charisma might do well with his message election after this.

Very true! He doesn't get flashy and sad to say that alot of Americans want flashy and good speeches that don't say much but sound good.

I really wish I could spend some time with him as I would learn alot. Just as the saying goes...'nice guys finish last'. :(

[TRFrance]

In my mind, Ron Paul is a racist. I don't know why anyone would take him seriously as a potential leader of this country.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/


http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca