McCain vs Obama in a debate

[Rico]

Do y'all think Senator McCain would stand a chance in a debate with Senator Obama? How about against Senator Clinton? I don't think McCain stands a chance against either of them. We're headed for a Democratic President to take office in 2009.

[scotty]

Do y'all think Senator McCain would stand a chance in a debate with Senator Obama? How about against Senator Clinton? I don't think McCain stands a chance against either of them. We're headed for a Democratic President to take office in 2009.


Yes sir we are, I post my arguements against it , but for a republican to wim office after 8 yrs of a Rep, is just historicly a no go...same as when Dems are in for 8 yrs. I am putting my money in a sock, taking cash jobs, saving up for a rainy day, cause they are coming. The company I work for actually is holding back its growth this year to 18% after 5 years of 32% because they are preparing to have to pay higher taxes. That is just sad...

[TRFrance]

Do y'all think Senator McCain would stand a chance in a debate with Senator Obama? How about against Senator Clinton? I don't think McCain stands a chance against either of them. We're headed for a Democratic President to take office in 2009.


Dont count McCain out.

Most people didnt think he'd even get to this point. Most people were expecting Romney, Huckabee or Giuliani (remember him?) to get the nomination.

To me, Obama is like a boxer with a "glass jaw". The right punch will drop him to his knees, and expose him as being overrated. I think McCain is more than capable of getting it done.

[BrotherEastman]

Yes sir we are, I post my arguements against it , but for a republican to wim office after 8 yrs of a Rep, is just historicly a no go...same as when Dems are in for 8 yrs. I am putting my money in a sock, taking cash jobs, saving up for a rainy day, cause they are coming. The company I work for actually is holding back its growth this year to 18% after 5 years of 32% because they are preparing to have to pay higher taxes. That is just sad...
This is the very reason that we are losing jobs, and the liberals want to blame the rich and rob them.

[ChristopherHall]

Yes sir we are, I post my arguements against it , but for a republican to wim office after 8 yrs of a Rep, is just historicly a no go...same as when Dems are in for 8 yrs. I am putting my money in a sock, taking cash jobs, saving up for a rainy day, cause they are coming. The company I work for actually is holding back its growth this year to 18% after 5 years of 32% because they are preparing to have to pay higher taxes. That is just sad...

Many, if not most, of us are currently there bro...have been for nearly two years here. We're about to loose all we own. You'll live. Go back to school and learn some valuable skills to keep you viable in the markets. That's what I'm doing.

[ChristopherHall]

McCain's a phoney conservative who's only offering "Bush III". He's not even his own man. Obama would mop the floor with him.

[DividedThigh]

somebody tell me again how long has obama been a senator, what has he done besides talk big, oh yeah that is what i thought, nothing, dt

[Rico]

Dont count McCain out.

Most people didnt think he'd even get to this point. Most people were expecting Romney, Huckabee or Giuliani (remember him?) to get the nomination.

To me, Obama is like a boxer with a "glass jaw". The right punch will drop him to his knees, and expose him as being overrated. I think McCain is more than capable of getting it done.

I'll put it to you this way: I will most likely not vote for President this election. I don't like Mc Cain one bit.

[Rico]

somebody tell me again how long has obama been a senator, what has he done besides talk big, oh yeah that is what i thought, nothing, dt

So, you'd rather have 4 and maybe 8 years with a Clinton in office?

[Pressing-On]

McCain's a phoney conservative who's only offering "Bush III". He's not even his own man. Obama would mop the floor with him.
McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts simply because the cuts were not balanced out with less spending. That was his issue and he was right about that.

There is also the matter of maturity and experience. This is McCain's biggest gift to the Clinton campaign. An Obama-McCain contest would be seen as a match of inexperience against old age. Obama hopes to win this competition by invoking the spirit of John F. Kennedy. What he forgets, however, is that Kennedy was swept to power on the crest of the baby boom, when the largest group of voters was in its twenties. Today these boomers are in their sixties or seventies - and will not take kindly to the charge that Mr McCain is too old to be president. Given the high propensity to vote among the elderly, this election will not be decided by a baby boom but by a senility surge.

Voters loyal to President Bush also see in McCain a man who stood firm on the Iraq war. Voters who dislike Bush see a man who criticized the president on the conduct of that war. This is useful.

[Bro-Larry]

Do y'all think Senator McCain would stand a chance in a debate with Senator Obama? How about against Senator Clinton? I don't think McCain stands a chance against either of them. We're headed for a Democratic President to take office in 2009.

Rico, Will it really make any significant difference who is elected?

[DividedThigh]

So, you'd rather have 4 and maybe 8 years with a Clinton in office?

dont kid yourself, i dont want to see a minute of a clinton near the whitehouse, ever, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

The Top Nine "Changes" Barack Obama Would Make as President
By John Hawkins
Friday, March 7, 2008

#1) Weakening America's Military: Barack Obama has pledged, among other things, to make defense cuts during war time, to cut spending on national missile defense, that he won't weaponize space, to slow development of future combat systems, and to seek a "world without nuclear weapons." Is this a man who can be trusted as Commander-In-Chief?

#2) Losing the War in Iraq: Obama is promising to throw away the hard earned gains our troops have made in Iraq by immediately removing combat brigades each month, regardless of the situation on the ground, and by having all of our "combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly warned Barack and, for that matter, Hillary that they could create a "chaotic situation" with their policy that could take the "gains we have achieved and struggled to achieve and turn them around overnight." Come on, Admiral, don't you know that Obama isn't going to listen to what the military has to say about a war when there's an election to be won?

#3) Gay Marriage: Although Barack Obama claims to oppose gay marriage, in 2004 he said that he opposed the Defense of Marriage Act, which is the only thing keeping the courts from imposing gay marriage on the whole country. If you want to see gay marriage become the law of the land in your state, no matter what the voters think, vote for Obama.

#4) Pro-Partial Birth Abortion: It's never a surprise to find a Democrat who's a big fan of abortion, but Obama goes above and beyond the call of duty. He had a perfect rating of 100% from NARAL in 2005, 2006, and 2007, opposes "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions," and he even opposed banning partial birth abortions. If you want to see as many women as humanly possible in this country putting their own children to death via abortion, vote Obama.

#5) Legalizing Marijuana: Obama, a former (we hope) druggie, who has admitted to using marijuana and cocaine, has said that he favors "decriminalizing marijuana." Perhaps you can't blame him for wanting to make it easier for people to get drugs since, after all, he used them and look how he turned out. If Barack gets into the White House, one day mothers all over America can tell their children that they'll never be anything in life if they use hard drugs and those children can reply, "Well, at least I can be President!"

#6) Handing 845 billion dollars of your money to other nations: Obama's Global Poverty Act would commit the United States to spending, over the next 13 years, 845 billion dollars more than what we already do on global poverty. Obama followed that up with a release that said in part, "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty..." If Obama actually believes that not only is the United States capable of "eliminating extreme poverty," but that we should actually make that utopian dream a "priority," then he's far too naive to be in the White House.

#7) If you think George Bush is a big spender, you haven't met Obama: Even though the United States is already running a deficit, Obama is planning to push a whole host of new big government programs including a "10-year, $150 billion program to establish a green energy sector," a "$60 billion National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," and a "nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion)." If you're all for tax and spend liberalism and watching the deficit spiral even further out of control, there's no one you should want in the White House more than Obama.

#8) Amnesty and your tax dollars for illegal aliens: Believe it or not, John McCain, the Republican who is most closely associated with catering to illegal aliens, is actually well to Barack Obama's right on the issue.

Obama favors drivers licenses for illegals, wants to give illegals welfare and Medicaid, wants to let them participate in Social Security, opposes making English our national language, and he favors a comprehensive approach to illegal immigration, AKA amnesty, that even John McCain now claims to oppose.

#9) Gun Control: Obama is a perfect example of the stereotypical, liberal gun grabber. Obama has pledged to "Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons," has "opined unequivocally that D.C.'s ban was 'constitutional'," and in 1996, Obama, in a survey, "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." If you're an opponent of the 2nd Amendment, who believes law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves, Obama is your man.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2008/03/07/the_top_nine_changes_barack_obama_would_make_as_pr esident

[Rico]

McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts simply because the cuts were not balanced out with less spending. That was his issue and he was right about that.

There is also the matter of maturity and experience. This is McCain's biggest gift to the Clinton campaign. An Obama-McCain contest would be seen as a match of inexperience against old age. Obama hopes to win this competition by invoking the spirit of John F. Kennedy. What he forgets, however, is that Kennedy was swept to power on the crest of the baby boom, when the largest group of voters was in its twenties. Today these boomers are in their sixties or seventies - and will not take kindly to the charge that Mr McCain is too old to be president. Given the high propensity to vote among the elderly, this election will not be decided by a baby boom but by a senility surge.

Voters loyal to President Bush also see in McCain a man who stood firm on the Iraq war. Voters who dislike Bush see a man who criticized the president on the conduct of that war. This is useful.

Don't count the young voters of this country out in this election. Obama is very popular with the young people. If McCain were to win the presidency (and I don't think he has a snowball's chance in you know where) he would be the oldest president ever elected.

[Rico]

Rico, Will it really make any significant difference who is elected?

Yes. Who is in the Whitehouse makes a big difference. The President isn't irrelevant.

[Pressing-On]

Don't count the young voters of this country out in this election. Obama is very popular with the young people. If McCain were to win the presidency (and I don't think he has a snowball's chance in you know where) he would be the oldest president ever elected.
I don't see it happening for Obama. He will have to be very careful when debating McCain. I've watched a few clips of Obama being questioned, he has no substance to his words. No deep imput, just the right answers to get out of the conversation.

I saw Bush's video endorsing McCain and what I saw was a man (McCain) being his own man, being polite, but strongly being his own man. He is a strong man in his thinking, his actions, people are going to notice this. This is what people want.

While Bush was speaking, I was watching McCain. I was very impressed with his demeanor. He was already, in his mind, President. A very confident man. He is a solid American patriot.

We shall see how it goes, but I don't think it would hurt the country to have McCain as President.

[drummerboy_dave]

It's disappointing to see that you and thousands of others won't vote, Rico, for whatever reasons you care to name. I'd rather not disrespect the countless lives that were given for me to have the right to vote.

[Pressing-On]

It's disappointing to see that you and thousands of others won't vote, Rico, for whatever reasons you care to name. I'd rather not disrespect the countless lives that were given for me to have the right to vote.

Amen! I have to agree!

[DividedThigh]

for every conservative that stays home, it is the same as a vote for the liberal, it sure seems that way, lol,dt

[Rico]

The Top Nine "Changes" Barack Obama Would Make as President
By John Hawkins
Friday, March 7, 2008

#1) Weakening America's Military: Barack Obama has pledged, among other things, to make defense cuts during war time, to cut spending on national missile defense, that he won't weaponize space, to slow development of future combat systems, and to seek a "world without nuclear weapons." Is this a man who can be trusted as Commander-In-Chief?

#2) Losing the War in Iraq: Obama is promising to throw away the hard earned gains our troops have made in Iraq by immediately removing combat brigades each month, regardless of the situation on the ground, and by having all of our "combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly warned Barack and, for that matter, Hillary that they could create a "chaotic situation" with their policy that could take the "gains we have achieved and struggled to achieve and turn them around overnight." Come on, Admiral, don't you know that Obama isn't going to listen to what the military has to say about a war when there's an election to be won?

#3) Gay Marriage: Although Barack Obama claims to oppose gay marriage, in 2004 he said that he opposed the Defense of Marriage Act, which is the only thing keeping the courts from imposing gay marriage on the whole country. If you want to see gay marriage become the law of the land in your state, no matter what the voters think, vote for Obama.

#4) Pro-Partial Birth Abortion: It's never a surprise to find a Democrat who's a big fan of abortion, but Obama goes above and beyond the call of duty. He had a perfect rating of 100% from NARAL in 2005, 2006, and 2007, opposes "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions," and he even opposed banning partial birth abortions. If you want to see as many women as humanly possible in this country putting their own children to death via abortion, vote Obama.

#5) Legalizing Marijuana: Obama, a former (we hope) druggie, who has admitted to using marijuana and cocaine, has said that he favors "decriminalizing marijuana." Perhaps you can't blame him for wanting to make it easier for people to get drugs since, after all, he used them and look how he turned out. If Barack gets into the White House, one day mothers all over America can tell their children that they'll never be anything in life if they use hard drugs and those children can reply, "Well, at least I can be President!"

#6) Handing 845 billion dollars of your money to other nations: Obama's Global Poverty Act would commit the United States to spending, over the next 13 years, 845 billion dollars more than what we already do on global poverty. Obama followed that up with a release that said in part, "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty..." If Obama actually believes that not only is the United States capable of "eliminating extreme poverty," but that we should actually make that utopian dream a "priority," then he's far too naive to be in the White House.

#7) If you think George Bush is a big spender, you haven't met Obama: Even though the United States is already running a deficit, Obama is planning to push a whole host of new big government programs including a "10-year, $150 billion program to establish a green energy sector," a "$60 billion National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," and a "nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion)." If you're all for tax and spend liberalism and watching the deficit spiral even further out of control, there's no one you should want in the White House more than Obama.

#8) Amnesty and your tax dollars for illegal aliens: Believe it or not, John McCain, the Republican who is most closely associated with catering to illegal aliens, is actually well to Barack Obama's right on the issue.

Obama favors drivers licenses for illegals, wants to give illegals welfare and Medicaid, wants to let them participate in Social Security, opposes making English our national language, and he favors a comprehensive approach to illegal immigration, AKA amnesty, that even John McCain now claims to oppose.

#9) Gun Control: Obama is a perfect example of the stereotypical, liberal gun grabber. Obama has pledged to "Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons," has "opined unequivocally that D.C.'s ban was 'constitutional'," and in 1996, Obama, in a survey, "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." If you're an opponent of the 2nd Amendment, who believes law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves, Obama is your man.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2008/03/07/the_top_nine_changes_barack_obama_would_make_as_pr esident


1) And what is so bad about a world without nuclear weapons?

2) This war has dragged on long enough. It's time for the Iraqi government to stand on its own two feet.

3) Obama is in favor of civil unions for gays but against gay marriage. You tell me why someone who has spent years of their life with a partner of their own sex should not have at least some of the same rights spouses have in this country?

4) Women are already getting abortions in this country.

5) Marijuana should have never been criminalized in the first place. It is one of the most effective pain relievers God put on this Earth.

6) Ok. So how much should we be spending to help end poverty in the world?

7) I agree with ya on this one. Repealing the tax cuts alone would mean the biggest tax increase this country has ever seen.

8) Amnesty (legalizing the current illegals in this country) sounds like a good idea to me.

9) Some guns should be banned in this country. What do you plan on hunting for with an AK47?

[Pressing-On]

1) And what is so bad about a world without nuclear weapons?

2) This war has dragged on long enough. It's time for the Iraqi government to stand on its own two feet.

3) Obama is in favor of civil unions for gays but against gay marriage. You tell me why someone who has spent years of their life with a partner of their own sex should not have at least some of the same rights spouses have in this country?

4) Women are already getting abortions in this country.

5) Marijuana should have never been criminalized in the first place. It is one of the most effective pain relievers God put on this Earth.

6) Ok. So how much should we be spending to help end poverty in the world?

7) I agree with ya on this one. Repealing the tax cuts alone would mean the biggest tax increase this country has ever seen.

8) Amnesty (legalizing the current illegals in this country) sounds like a good idea to me.

9) Some guns should be banned in this country. What do you plan on hunting for with an AK47?
I'm just putting out information on some of Obama's stances. I have no intention of ever voting for him. Just thought you'd want that posted on your thread.

[Rico]

It's disappointing to see that you and thousands of others won't vote, Rico, for whatever reasons you care to name. I'd rather not disrespect the countless lives that were given for me to have the right to vote.


Dave, no one interests me as a candidate. If McCain is the best the Republicans can come up with then the Republican party is in sad shape, in my opinion.

[Rico]

I'm just putting out information on some of Obama's stances. I have no intention of ever voting for him. Just thought you'd want that posted on your thread.

Kewl. I responded to keep the conversation going. LOL!

[Pressing-On]

Dave, no one interests me as a candidate. If McCain is the best the Republicans can come up with then the Republican party is in sad shape, in my opinion.

I don't agree with this statement - at all. It sounds like a media "bite" that doesn't go away. JMHO. (lol)

[Pressing-On]

Kewl. I responded to keep the conversation going. LOL!

Right, as I knew you would. :bliss

[Rico]

I don't agree with this statement - at all. It sounds like a media "bite" that doesn't go away. JMHO. (lol)

Mc Cain isn't a conservative!!! There! I said it!! :boxing:drawguns

[Pressing-On]

Mc Cain isn't a conservative!!! There! I said it!! :boxing:drawguns
Feel all better now?!!! :ursofunny

Lord, I need to get out of here. I'm burning daylight!

Have a good one. I'll add more annoying stuff later! :ursofunny

[scotty]

Many, if not most, of us are currently there bro...have been for nearly two years here. We're about to loose all we own. You'll live. Go back to school and learn some valuable skills to keep you viable in the markets. That's what I'm doing.


so I have to go back to school and learn more to make more money so I can help support others.

So your going back to school??? Finally we know what the problem is.....alot of us have been trying to figure out why a Republican would think the way you do.......you have been brainwashed by the liberal professors

[scotty]

Don't count the young voters of this country out in this election. Obama is very popular with the young people. If McCain were to win the presidency (and I don't think he has a snowball's chance in you know where) he would be the oldest president ever elected.

Yeah they are not showing up, in texas and ohio the seniors outnumbered the youth at the votors booth.....they have to get off their lazy little b*tts and vote

[scotty]

McCain's a phoney conservative who's only offering "Bush III". He's not even his own man. Obama would mop the floor with him.


Wooooooooo .. Now there is an educated political response:bored:bored:bored

[TRFrance]

I'll put it to you this way: I will most likely not vote for President this election. I don't like Mc Cain one bit.

Fine.

Keep in mind though, that your non-vote for Mccain is basically equal to a vote for Obama/Clinton.

[chaotic_resolve]

McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts simply because the cuts were not balanced out with less spending. That was his issue and he was right about that.
I've heard this excuse used over and over by the Forked Tongue Express to try and reason why they've flip-flopped on the tax cuts ... it simply doesn't work. The President a couple months ago sent up a budget that breaks records in regards to spending, and yet now McCain is in favor. Tell me, where is the balance of the tax cuts and less spending in the new 3+ TRILLION $$ budget the President sent to Congress?

Simply put, John McCain needs to pander to the conservative party and his votes against the Bush tax cuts, coupled with his already well-documented romance with the Democratic Party, put him at dangerous odds with the base he needed to win the nomination.

[QUOTE=Pressing-On;409109]The Top Nine "Changes" Barack Obama Would Make as President

#1) Weakening America's Military: Barack Obama has pledged, among other things, to make defense cuts during war time, to cut spending on national missile defense, that he won't weaponize space, to slow development of future combat systems, and to seek a "world without nuclear weapons." Is this a man who can be trusted as Commander-In-Chief?

World without nukes sounds good to me. Defense spending quite frankly is out of control, regardless of wartime or not. The Pentagon and defense department have received huge increase after increase with each years budget under Bush. Meanwhile the economy here suffers.

#2) Losing the War in Iraq: Obama is promising to throw away the hard earned gains our troops have made in Iraq by immediately removing combat brigades each month, regardless of the situation on the ground, and by having all of our "combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

Iraq needs to grow up and take responsibility for itself. America shouldn't, nor can it afford, to stay there indefinitely. I honestly doubt Iraq will ever be a western-type democracy.

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly warned Barack and, for that matter, Hillary that they could create a "chaotic situation" with their policy that could take the "gains we have achieved and struggled to achieve and turn them around overnight." Come on, Admiral, don't you know that Obama isn't going to listen to what the military has to say about a war when there's an election to be won?

Anyone that thinks Obama can or will do this overnight is sadly mistaken. This freshman senator will need all the support from Congress and other government departments in his term ... there's no way he'll go and alienate even the moderates in his own party that would agree, albeit begrudgingly, that the surge is working.

#3) Gay Marriage: Although Barack Obama claims to oppose gay marriage, in 2004 he said that he opposed the Defense of Marriage Act, which is the only thing keeping the courts from imposing gay marriage on the whole country. If you want to see gay marriage become the law of the land in your state, no matter what the voters think, vote for Obama.

Voters have the voice in the matter, as does Congress. For any law to pass recognizing gay marriage, it has to pass Congress. The Republicans won't allow it. This is a non-issue.

#4) Pro-Partial Birth Abortion: It's never a surprise to find a Democrat who's a big fan of abortion, but Obama goes above and beyond the call of duty. He had a perfect rating of 100% from NARAL in 2005, 2006, and 2007, opposes "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions," and he even opposed banning partial birth abortions. If you want to see as many women as humanly possible in this country putting their own children to death via abortion, vote Obama.

"...a big fan of abortion...?" While I highly doubt Obama is a "fan" of abortion, I'm sure he feels he is right in his adamant support of woman's rights. I completely disagree with him on this issue, but it's a ridiculous stretch to say he's a "fan" of abortion.

#5) Legalizing Marijuana: Obama, a former (we hope) druggie, who has admitted to using marijuana and cocaine, has said that he favors "decriminalizing marijuana." Perhaps you can't blame him for wanting to make it easier for people to get drugs since, after all, he used them and look how he turned out. If Barack gets into the White House, one day mothers all over America can tell their children that they'll never be anything in life if they use hard drugs and those children can reply, "Well, at least I can be President!"

First, Marijuana is hardly a "hard drug." Secondly, it should have been legalized years ago. There's no reason why Alcohol should legal but not marijuana. I wish Congress would pass a bill legalizing it so our jails and prisons would be less burdened by simple pot offenders and our law enforcement not placed in harms way over a stupid and petty pot bust.

#6) Handing 845 billion dollars of your money to other nations: Obama's Global Poverty Act would commit the United States to spending, over the next 13 years, 845 billion dollars more than what we already do on global poverty. Obama followed that up with a release that said in part, "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty..." If Obama actually believes that not only is the United States capable of "eliminating extreme poverty," but that we should actually make that utopian dream a "priority," then he's far too naive to be in the White House.

I would disagree with Obama here also. I don't believe it's America's job to make the world a happy, healthy, poverty-free place. I believe some things, like Bush's Aids budget (8.1 billion by 2010) is a good thing that has helped an incredible amount of people. However, most nations are big enough or have the resources enough to help themselves. Their problem is their governments or dictators are too busy lining their own pockets to help their citizens.

#7) If you think George Bush is a big spender, you haven't met Obama: Even though the United States is already running a deficit, Obama is planning to push a whole host of new big government programs including a "10-year, $150 billion program to establish a green energy sector," a "$60 billion National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," and a "nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion)." If you're all for tax and spend liberalism and watching the deficit spiral even further out of control, there's no one you should want in the White House more than Obama.

Again ... must pass Congress. I don't give a rip about what Obama wants to do because it must pass the votes of Congress. On this, the Republicans have a pretty good record at stopping Democratic Presidents' money-grabbing programs. What Republicans can't do, however, is find the courage to do the same when a Republican is President.

Example ... Bush's creation of No Child Left Behind or the Medicaid Prescription Drug Benefit program would not have passed, I believe, were it brought to Congress by a Democratic administration.

This is why I'm less worried by Obama being elected than McCain. Republicans would stand up to Obama, while they wouldn't against McCain.

cont ...

[chaotic_resolve]

#8) Amnesty and your tax dollars for illegal aliens: Believe it or not, John McCain, the Republican who is most closely associated with catering to illegal aliens, is actually well to Barack Obama's right on the issue.

Obama favors drivers licenses for illegals, wants to give illegals welfare and Medicaid, wants to let them participate in Social Security, opposes making English our national language, and he favors a comprehensive approach to illegal immigration, AKA amnesty, that even John McCain now claims to oppose.

Don't kid yourself ... John McCain is mad as all get-out that his amnesty package wasn't passed. He wanted that done to secure his votes with Latinos and while he may tell the base he's against amnesty ... if you listen to what he says on the issue, it's the same thing as he tried passing before - only he prefaces it by saying he now understands and is for enforcement first.

Here's some info ... McCain doesn't want English as the official language either.

Critics, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, called the Inhofe amendment racist, regardless of its intent. Sen. John McCain worried about making English the "official" language. "It gives the idea that any other language is excluded," he said.

Republicans accused of undermining the Inhofe amendment include Brownback (Kan.), Chafee (R.I.), Coleman (Minn.), DeWine (Ohio), Graham (S.C.), Hagel (Neb.), McCain (Ariz.), Murkowski (Alaska), Snowe (Maine), Specter (Penn.), Voinovich (Ohio), and Warner (Va.).

That was from 2006 and is found here. (http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=13169)

Now for the flip-flop ... from a Republican primary debate on Univision Dec 9, 2007:

Q: Do you think that there would be a practical value of making English our official language?

A: I think the most practical value is to make English used by all Americans and all citizens, and all who come here. The only way we move up the economic ladder from the bottom rung is to know English. And I would emphasize the importance of every person who comes to this country to become a citizen and enjoy its liberties & beauty is to learn English. And I will do everything I can to help them do that.

Source (http://www.ontheissues.org/International/John_McCain_Immigration.htm)

#9) Gun Control: Obama is a perfect example of the stereotypical, liberal gun grabber. Obama has pledged to "Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons," has "opined unequivocally that D.C.'s ban was 'constitutional'," and in 1996, Obama, in a survey, "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." If you're an opponent of the 2nd Amendment, who believes law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves, Obama is your man.

Another issue I would disagree with Obama on, and again, it's an issue that must pass Congress, and whether Obama likes it or not, the NRA is more powerful at lobbying Congress than he realizes. A pledge is one thing ... having the political capital to get it done is quite another.

Fine.

Keep in mind though, that your non-vote for Mccain is basically equal to a vote for Obama/Clinton.
I'm just going to make it easy and vote for Obama. LoL The Republicans need 4 more years to find a better nominee than John McCain and the Forked Tongue Express.

I got a kick out this short clip of McCain getting a little worked up over a reporters question. He's upset because this NY Times reporter is asking about the reports from back in 2004 of him being John Kerry's VP pick. At first he told the NY Times he didn't have the conversation, though now he's admitted and states very adamantly that "everyone knows" he had the conversation about it. Then he gets all condescending by explaining what a private conversation is vs a public conversation ... as though the reporter doesn't know the difference.

I love the reporters last question ... priceless.

Click Here (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/59014.html)

By the way ... I can't wait for the general election debates. I'm starting an office pool to guess when McCain's temper gets the best of him. For the sake of entertainment and to show whether or not McCain can handle pressure and tough questions in a dignified way, I hope Obama pushes his buttons and makes McCain go off on one of his red-faced, expletative-laced tirades.

Should be fun. LoL

[scotty]

The President a couple months ago sent up a budget that breaks records in regards to spending, and yet now McCain is in favor. Tell me, where is the balance of the tax cuts and less spending in the new 3+ TRILLION $$ budget the President sent to Congress?

...

I am assuming your personal budget goes down on a yearly basis?

Every budget , every year is higher than the last, its called the cost of living increase.

Mute point.

[Pressing-On]

I've heard this excuse used over and over by the Forked Tongue Express to try and reason why they've flip-flopped on the tax cuts ... it simply doesn't work. The President a couple months ago sent up a budget that breaks records in regards to spending, and yet now McCain is in favor. Tell me, where is the balance of the tax cuts and less spending in the new 3+ TRILLION $$ budget the President sent to Congress?

Simply put, John McCain needs to pander to the conservative party and his votes against the Bush tax cuts, coupled with his already well-documented romance with the Democratic Party, put him at dangerous odds with the base he needed to win the nomination.

The Top Nine "Changes" Barack Obama Would Make as President

#1) Weakening America's Military: Barack Obama has pledged, among other things, to make defense cuts during war time, to cut spending on national missile defense, that he won't weaponize space, to slow development of future combat systems, and to seek a "world without nuclear weapons." Is this a man who can be trusted as Commander-In-Chief?

World without nukes sounds good to me. Defense spending quite frankly is out of control, regardless of wartime or not. The Pentagon and defense department have received huge increase after increase with each years budget under Bush. Meanwhile the economy here suffers.
Spending cuts during war time is not a good idea. It puts out the picture that we are not backing no taking care of our military.

#2) Losing the War in Iraq: Obama is promising to throw away the hard earned gains our troops have made in Iraq by immediately removing combat brigades each month, regardless of the situation on the ground, and by having all of our "combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

Iraq needs to grow up and take responsibility for itself. America shouldn't, nor can it afford, to stay there indefinitely. I honestly doubt Iraq will ever be a western-type democracy.
We've stayed longer in other countries, ie. Germany. And the point has been made about how long it took the 13 colonies to stabilize, organize and iron out issues.

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly warned Barack and, for that matter, Hillary that they could create a "chaotic situation" with their policy that could take the "gains we have achieved and struggled to achieve and turn them around overnight." Come on, Admiral, don't you know that Obama isn't going to listen to what the military has to say about a war when there's an election to be won?

Anyone that thinks Obama can or will do this overnight is sadly mistaken. This freshman senator will need all the support from Congress and other government departments in his term ... there's no way he'll go and alienate even the moderates in his own party that would agree, albeit begrudgingly, that the surge is working.
Point: The surge is working. Enough said.

#3) Gay Marriage: Although Barack Obama claims to oppose gay marriage, in 2004 he said that he opposed the Defense of Marriage Act, which is the only thing keeping the courts from imposing gay marriage on the whole country. If you want to see gay marriage become the law of the land in your state, no matter what the voters think, vote for Obama.

Voters have the voice in the matter, as does Congress. For any law to pass recognizing gay marriage, it has to pass Congress. The Republicans won't allow it. This is a non-issue.

Right

#4) Pro-Partial Birth Abortion: It's never a surprise to find a Democrat who's a big fan of abortion, but Obama goes above and beyond the call of duty. He had a perfect rating of 100% from NARAL in 2005, 2006, and 2007, opposes "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions," and he even opposed banning partial birth abortions. If you want to see as many women as humanly possible in this country putting their own children to death via abortion, vote Obama.

"...a big fan of abortion...?" While I highly doubt Obama is a "fan" of abortion, I'm sure he feels he is right in his adamant support of woman's rights. I completely disagree with him on this issue, but it's a ridiculous stretch to say he's a "fan" of abortion.
McCain: McCain said, “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.”

#5) Legalizing Marijuana: Obama, a former (we hope) druggie, who has admitted to using marijuana and cocaine, has said that he favors "decriminalizing marijuana." Perhaps you can't blame him for wanting to make it easier for people to get drugs since, after all, he used them and look how he turned out. If Barack gets into the White House, one day mothers all over America can tell their children that they'll never be anything in life if they use hard drugs and those children can reply, "Well, at least I can be President!"

First, Marijuana is hardly a "hard drug." Secondly, it should have been legalized years ago. There's no reason why Alcohol should legal but not marijuana. I wish Congress would pass a bill legalizing it so our jails and prisons would be less burdened by simple pot offenders and our law enforcement not placed in harms way over a stupid and petty pot bust.
Personally, Marijuana was more dangerous in my personal experience. I'm not for legalizing it at all. Depending on the grade, which you don't always know. You can calculate your alcohol consumption.

#6) Handing 845 billion dollars of your money to other nations: Obama's Global Poverty Act would commit the United States to spending, over the next 13 years, 845 billion dollars more than what we already do on global poverty. Obama followed that up with a release that said in part, "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty..." If Obama actually believes that not only is the United States capable of "eliminating extreme poverty," but that we should actually make that utopian dream a "priority," then he's far too naive to be in the White House.

I would disagree with Obama here also. I don't believe it's America's job to make the world a happy, healthy, poverty-free place. I believe some things, like Bush's Aids budget (8.1 billion by 2010) is a good thing that has helped an incredible amount of people. However, most nations are big enough or have the resources enough to help themselves. Their problem is their governments or dictators are too busy lining their own pockets to help their citizens.
Agreed

#7) If you think George Bush is a big spender, you haven't met Obama: Even though the United States is already running a deficit, Obama is planning to push a whole host of new big government programs including a "10-year, $150 billion program to establish a green energy sector," a "$60 billion National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," and a "nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion)." If you're all for tax and spend liberalism and watching the deficit spiral even further out of control, there's no one you should want in the White House more than Obama.

Again ... must pass Congress. I don't give a rip about what Obama wants to do because it must pass the votes of Congress. On this, the Republicans have a pretty good record at stopping Democratic Presidents' money-grabbing programs. What Republicans can't do, however, is find the courage to do the same when a Republican is President.

Example ... Bush's creation of No Child Left Behind or the Medicaid Prescription Drug Benefit program would not have passed, I believe, were it brought to Congress by a Democratic administration.
[QUOTE]Not sure I agree with you here. When he gave his State of the Union speech I remember both parties applauding when the subject was mentioned on it's progress.

This is why I'm less worried by Obama being elected than McCain. Republicans would stand up to Obama, while they wouldn't against McCain.
Not voting for Obama.

cont ...
cont...

[Pressing-On]

#8) Amnesty and your tax dollars for illegal aliens: Believe it or not, John McCain, the Republican who is most closely associated with catering to illegal aliens, is actually well to Barack Obama's right on the issue.

Obama favors drivers licenses for illegals, wants to give illegals welfare and Medicaid, wants to let them participate in Social Security, opposes making English our national language, and he favors a comprehensive approach to illegal immigration, AKA amnesty, that even John McCain now claims to oppose.

Don't kid yourself ... John McCain is mad as all get-out that his amnesty package wasn't passed. He wanted that done to secure his votes with Latinos and while he may tell the base he's against amnesty ... if you listen to what he says on the issue, it's the same thing as he tried passing before - only he prefaces it by saying he now understands and is for enforcement first.

McCain is the chief sponsor of legislation that would give millions of illegal immigrants a path toward citizenship if they pay fines and back taxes, learn English, stay employed and do not break laws. Tamar Jacoby, who studies immigration issues at the Manhattan Institute, supports McCain's approach. McCain's emphasis on helping such workers become citizens invested in their adopted country is the better long-range bet, she said.


Here's some info ... McCain doesn't want English as the official language either.





That was from 2006 and is found here. (http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=13169)

Now for the flip-flop ... from a Republican primary debate on Univision Dec 9, 2007:



Source (http://www.ontheissues.org/International/John_McCain_Immigration.htm)

Q: Do you think that there would be a practical value of making English our official language?

A: I think the most practical value is to make English used by all Americans and all citizens, and all who come here. The only way we move up the economic ladder from the bottom rung is to know English. And I would emphasize the importance of every person who comes to this country to become a citizen and enjoy its liberties & beauty is to learn English. And I will do everything I can to help them do that.
His answer is correct. I don't see him flip flopping here. He is saying we need every American and all citizens to learn English, BUT he is not going to disregard and disrespect the language of their homeland. That is all he is saying, IMO.

#9) Gun Control: Obama is a perfect example of the stereotypical, liberal gun grabber. Obama has pledged to "Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons," has "opined unequivocally that D.C.'s ban was 'constitutional'," and in 1996, Obama, in a survey, "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." If you're an opponent of the 2nd Amendment, who believes law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves, Obama is your man.

Another issue I would disagree with Obama on, and again, it's an issue that must pass Congress, and whether Obama likes it or not, the NRA is more powerful at lobbying Congress than he realizes. A pledge is one thing ... having the political capital to get it done is quite another.
I agree


I'm just going to make it easy and vote for Obama. LoL The Republicans need 4 more years to find a better nominee than John McCain and the Forked Tongue Express.

Never going to vote for Obama!

I got a kick out this short clip of McCain getting a little worked up over a reporters question. He's upset because this NY Times reporter is asking about the reports from back in 2004 of him being John Kerry's VP pick. At first he told the NY Times he didn't have the conversation, though now he's admitted and states very adamantly that "everyone knows" he had the conversation about it. Then he gets all condescending by explaining what a private conversation is vs a public conversation ... as though the reporter doesn't know the difference.

I love the reporters last question ... priceless.

Click Here (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/59014.html)
I saw that clip earlier today and I wonder why she had to keep bringing it up when she KNEW the facts before she asked. The report is skewed. Anyone around politics knows her angle. Cheap shot, only evident to anyone with experience. IMO.

By the way ... I can't wait for the general election debates. I'm starting an office pool to guess when McCain's temper gets the best of him. For the sake of entertainment and to show whether or not McCain can handle pressure and tough questions in a dignified way, I hope Obama pushes his buttons and makes McCain go off on one of his red-faced, expletative-laced tirades.

Should be fun. LoL

You are correct. It will be fun.

[Ron]

McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts simply because the cuts were not balanced out with less spending. That was his issue and he was right about that.

There is also the matter of maturity and experience. This is McCain's biggest gift to the Clinton campaign. An Obama-McCain contest would be seen as a match of inexperience against old age. Obama hopes to win this competition by invoking the spirit of John F. Kennedy. What he forgets, however, is that Kennedy was swept to power on the crest of the baby boom, when the largest group of voters was in its twenties. Today these boomers are in their sixties or seventies - and will not take kindly to the charge that Mr McCain is too old to be president. Given the high propensity to vote among the elderly, this election will not be decided by a baby boom but by a senility surge.

Voters loyal to President Bush also see in McCain a man who stood firm on the Iraq war. Voters who dislike Bush see a man who criticized the president on the conduct of that war. This is useful.

So, I guess we know where your votes are going!:hypercoffee

[chaotic_resolve]

While parties stood and applauded, it means nothing. Democrats applauded because it's something they're for. Meanwhile Republicans applauded because not to do so would look bad for them.

Simply put, political parties will always support their own, even in disagreements. The State of the Union is a nationally televised event, and there's no way any Republican would want the headlines to be about them sitting on the President's initiatives.

About the NY Times reporter vs McCain exchange ...

Check out FoxNews.com and their reporters take on the exchange. The fact that McCain is now acknowledging a personal conversation with Kerry regarding VP is new information. Previously McCain only admitted that overtures or something similar was made to his staff. He never stated that he and Kerry spoke personally on the issue.

The reason for the question is it was brought up at a rally ... McCain gave new information, so the reporter asked a question, which even the FoxNews reporter said visibly upset or struck a nerve with McCain.

McCain was defensive and aggressive at the beginning ... as a result of the question ... not as a result of any cheap shot. The question was relevant and John McCain did not want to "talk straight" about. Instead he became indignant and caused a bigger scene than if he would have simply answered the question.

Never have, never will vote for McCain. It's not so much the Straight Talk Express he's riding as it is the Forked Tongue Express.

[Pressing-On]

While parties stood and applauded, it means nothing. Democrats applauded because it's something they're for. Meanwhile Republicans applauded because not to do so would look bad for them.
That was the point, CR. The Democrats were also for No-Child Left Behind and so they helped to get it funded. They didn't applaud or stand on any issue they didn't agree with. They never do. It's kind of fun and funny to watch. In a way, a little childish looking.

Simply put, political parties will always support their own, even in disagreements. The State of the Union is a nationally televised event, and there's no way any Republican would want the headlines to be about them sitting on the President's initiatives.
See above comment

About the NY Times reporter vs McCain exchange ...

Check out FoxNews.com and their reporters take on the exchange. The fact that McCain is now acknowledging a personal conversation with Kerry regarding VP is new information. Previously McCain only admitted that overtures or something similar was made to his staff. He never stated that he and Kerry spoke personally on the issue.

The reason for the question is it was brought up at a rally ... McCain gave new information, so the reporter asked a question, which even the FoxNews reporter said visibly upset or struck a nerve with McCain.

McCain was defensive and aggressive at the beginning ... as a result of the question ... not as a result of any cheap shot. The question was relevant and John McCain did not want to "talk straight" about. Instead he became indignant and caused a bigger scene than if he would have simply answered the question.

Never have, never will vote for McCain. It's not so much the Straight Talk Express he's riding as it is the Forked Tongue Express.
Here's a YouTube clip from 2004 on the issue. Kerry never comes out and says it's true. He skirted the issue. That's lying, IMO. The last portion of the interview is typical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVQEaUZDjiU

[Pressing-On]

So, I guess we know where your votes are going!:hypercoffee
:smack You're getting awfully bruised up around here. lol

[ChristopherHall]

somebody tell me again how long has obama been a senator, what has he done besides talk big, oh yeah that is what i thought, nothing, dt

He earned a law degree from Harvard in 1991 and was the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. After graduation he practiced and taught Constitutional Law.

He served 8 years in the Illinois State Senate before being elected to the Senate in 2004 with 70% of the vote, becoming the third African American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate.

His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.

Since becoming a Senator in 2004, Obama had sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress, of which 15 have become law.

He also passed a rather strong ethics bill and worked to increase health coverage in Illinois

[scotty]

So, I guess we know where your votes are going!:hypercoffee

NO HE DIDN'T......AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

[ChristopherHall]

so I have to go back to school and learn more to make more money so I can help support others.

So your going back to school??? Finally we know what the problem is.....alot of us have been trying to figure out why a Republican would think the way you do.......you have been brainwashed by the liberal professors

I advised you to go back to school. LOL I'm taking a rather intensive course in Wastewater Treatment through OTCO.

[scotty]

I advised you to go back to school. LOL I'm taking a rather intensive course in Wastewater Treatment through OTCO.

gonna start with that waste in your post?

[ChristopherHall]

gonna start with that waste in your post?

Which one? You think all my posts are a waste. LOL

[Ron]

NO HE DIDN'T......AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

I can't help it!:D

[chosenbyone]

Pressing-On;409109]The Top Nine "Changes" Barack Obama Would Make as President
By John Hawkins
Friday, March 7, 2008

#1) Weakening America's Military: Barack Obama has pledged, among other things, to make defense cuts during war time, to cut spending on national missile defense, that he won't weaponize space, to slow development of future combat systems, and to seek a "world without nuclear weapons." Is this a man who can be trusted as Commander-In-Chief?

McCain is very much like Hillary, because they will say or do whatever it takes in order to sway people's opinions and garner their votes. Below is a brief history of McCain's actual voting record in Congress:


McCain Chose Tax Cuts for the Wealthy Over Funding Military Health Care Facilities SIX TIMES in the Last Congress


McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals. In February 2006, McCain voted against a Senate amendment that would have provided for at least $19 billion for these military health facilities, paid for by eliminating tax cuts for the wealthiest earners. [Senate Roll Call Vote 7 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00007 ), 2/2/06].


McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans’ Medical Care. McCain joined his Republican colleagues in voting against a 2006 Democratic amendment that would have provided $2.8 billion to increase veterans’ medical care.[S.Amdt. 149 to S.Con.Res. 18]


McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care. McCain joined other Republicans in voting against a Democratic amendment that would have guaranteed funding for Veterans' health care from both discretionary and mandatory funding sources; provided an annual discretionary amount that is locked in for future years at the FY 2005 funding level; and stated that the Department of Veterans Affairs shall receive mandatory funding that is adjusted year-to-year based on changes in demand from the VA health care system and the rate of health care inflation.[S.Amdt. 1937 to H.R. 2863]


McCain Voted Against Establishing $1 Billion Trust Fund to Provide Improvements to Military and Veterans’ Health Facilities. McCain voted against an Amendment to establish a $1 billion trust fund to provide improvements to health facilities that treat military personnel and veterans by allowing dividends and capital gains tax breaks, for those with incomes greater than $1 million to lapse on December 31, 2006.[S.Amdt. 2735 to S.Amdt. 2707 to H.R. 4297]


McCain Voted Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans’ Medical Services in FY 2007 by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes. McCain Voted Against a Democratic Amendment to increase Veterans’ medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.[S.Amdt. 3007 to S.Con.Res. 83]


McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in FY 2007 and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans' Health Care. McCain voted against a Democratic amendment to provide a mandatory stream of funding of $6.9 billion in FY 2007 and $104 billion over five years for veterans' health care; and offsets by restoring the pre-2001 top rate for incomes over $1 million and closing various corporate tax loopholes. [S.Amdt. 3141 to S.Con.Res. 83]

[Rico]

Fine.

Keep in mind though, that your non-vote for Mccain is basically equal to a vote for Obama/Clinton.

Sorry, but that tactic isn't going to work with me. Nice try though. :)

[Pressing-On]

McCain is very much like Hillary, because they will say or do whatever it takes in order to sway people's opinions and garner their votes. Below is a brief history of McCain's actual voting record in Congress:


McCain Chose Tax Cuts for the Wealthy Over Funding Military Health Care Facilities SIX TIMES in the Last Congress


McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals. In February 2006, McCain voted against a Senate amendment that would have provided for at least $19 billion for these military health facilities, paid for by eliminating tax cuts for the wealthiest earners. [Senate Roll Call Vote 7 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00007 ), 2/2/06].


McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans’ Medical Care. McCain joined his Republican colleagues in voting against a 2006 Democratic amendment that would have provided $2.8 billion to increase veterans’ medical care.[S.Amdt. 149 to S.Con.Res. 18]


McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care. McCain joined other Republicans in voting against a Democratic amendment that would have guaranteed funding for Veterans' health care from both discretionary and mandatory funding sources; provided an annual discretionary amount that is locked in for future years at the FY 2005 funding level; and stated that the Department of Veterans Affairs shall receive mandatory funding that is adjusted year-to-year based on changes in demand from the VA health care system and the rate of health care inflation.[S.Amdt. 1937 to H.R. 2863]


McCain Voted Against Establishing $1 Billion Trust Fund to Provide Improvements to Military and Veterans’ Health Facilities. McCain voted against an Amendment to establish a $1 billion trust fund to provide improvements to health facilities that treat military personnel and veterans by allowing dividends and capital gains tax breaks, for those with incomes greater than $1 million to lapse on December 31, 2006.[S.Amdt. 2735 to S.Amdt. 2707 to H.R. 4297]


McCain Voted Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans’ Medical Services in FY 2007 by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes. McCain Voted Against a Democratic Amendment to increase Veterans’ medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.[S.Amdt. 3007 to S.Con.Res. 83]


McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in FY 2007 and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans' Health Care. McCain voted against a Democratic amendment to provide a mandatory stream of funding of $6.9 billion in FY 2007 and $104 billion over five years for veterans' health care; and offsets by restoring the pre-2001 top rate for incomes over $1 million and closing various corporate tax loopholes. [S.Amdt. 3141 to S.Con.Res. 83]
I don't have time, right now, to look into each bill as some have up to 43 amendments, but what I do notice is that McCain is joining the Republicans in voting against Democratic measures, sooooooo........

[CC1]

Sorry, but that tactic isn't going to work with me. Nice try though. :)

What he said is not a tactic. It is the truth.

[CC1]

I don't have time, right now, to look into each bill as some have up to 43 amendments, but what I do notice is that McCain is joining the Republicans in voting against Democratic measures, sooooooo........

That will be a nice change! I hae no doubt he will make me very angry at times if he is elected President but I would rather have someone in who will represent my views 70% of the time than one who will represent them about 10% of the time.

[Rico]

What he said is not a tactic. It is the truth.

Oh well. I still won't be voting for President this time around.

[Pressing-On]

That will be a nice change! I hae no doubt he will make me very angry at times if he is elected President but I would rather have someone in who will represent my views 70% of the time than one who will represent them about 10% of the time.
I agree. Although 75% to 80% would be better. lol

He's going to be a gem during this election year! I'm looking forward to it.

[CC1]

I agree. Although 75% to 80% would be better. lol

He's going to be a gem during this election year! I'm looking forward to it.

I don't think any Republican really would have had a chance this year but it is possible McCain's reputation as a "Maverick" might appeal to enough independents that might be afraid of Hillary and Obama to give him a chance.

[Ferd]

McCain Chose Tax Cuts for the Wealthy Over Funding Military Health Care Facilities SIX TIMES in the Last Congress



I really dont have time to go thru this tonight. but let me make one quick note.

McCain did not Cut taxes for the wealthy INSTEAD of funding military health care facilities.

Not 1 time, nor 6 times nor one hundred billion times.

this did NOT happen. It is a lie. the people you have been listening to are liars. (that might be why they are liberals....its in their blood.)

You see, cutting taxes actually raises revenue. Yup. that is right. cutting taxes raises revenue. RAISING taxes actually LOWERERs revenue. YUP, you heard me right. if you cut taxes, the government gets more money. if you raise taxes, the government gets less money.

How do I know this? because it worked with John Kennedy did it. It worked when Ronald Reagan did it. And it worked when G. W. Bush did it.

Why you ask? because when the government raises taxes, it siffons off funds that would otherwise be part of the economy, thus suppressing the economy. suppressed economies means less income to tax.

when you lower taxes, you effectivley pump billions of $$$ into the economy by leaving it in the hands of those who drive the economy (evil rich people who hire non-evil poor people like you and me). when an economy grows, the size of the economy gets bigger. so instead of getting 39% of a good economy, the government gets 35% of a GREAT economy and thus actually gets MORE money.

So John McCain, chose correctly to stimulate the economy so there would be more $$$ to do things like paint military hospital walls.

Oh by the way, there was no bill that simply funded military hospitals. that is also a lie.

facts are fun. I like facts.

Chosenbyone, I also like you. I think you are a great person.

[Pressing-On]

I don't think any Republican really would have had a chance this year but it is possible McCain's reputation as a "Maverick" might appeal to enough independents that might be afraid of Hillary and Obama to give him a chance.

I know some Democrats that are voting for him because they don't want Hillary or Obama. A friend of mine has a friend (lol) who lives in Washington D.C. and they are saying - No woman in the White House. lol

[Pressing-On]

I really dont have time to go thru this tonight. but let me make one quick note.

McCain did not Cut taxes for the wealthy INSTEAD of funding military health care facilities.

Not 1 time, nor 6 times nor one hundred billion times.

this did NOT happen. It is a lie. the people you have been listening to are liars. (that might be why they are liberals....its in their blood.)

You see, cutting taxes actually raises revenue. Yup. that is right. cutting taxes raises revenue. RAISING taxes actually LOWERERs revenue. YUP, you heard me right. if you cut taxes, the government gets more money. if you raise taxes, the government gets less money.

How do I know this? because it worked with John Kennedy did it. It worked when Ronald Reagan did it. And it worked when G. W. Bush did it.

Why you ask? because when the government raises taxes, it siffons off funds that would otherwise be part of the economy, thus suppressing the economy. suppressed economies means less income to tax.

when you lower taxes, you effectivley pump billions of $$$ into the economy by leaving it in the hands of those who drive the economy (evil rich people who hire non-evil poor people like you and me). when an economy grows, the size of the economy gets bigger. so instead of getting 39% of a good economy, the government gets 35% of a GREAT economy and thus actually gets MORE money.

So John McCain, chose correctly to stimulate the economy so there would be more $$$ to do things like paint military hospital walls.

Oh by the way, there was no bill that simply funded military hospitals. that is also a lie.

facts are fun. I like facts.

Chosenbyone, I also like you. I think you are a great person.
Thank you Ferd. You always say it right. Where have you been today?!!!!! It also showed that McCain wasn't for big government.

[Ferd]

CC1, as an admin you can delete this if you want. I just have to say it.

voting for Obama or Hillary is like peeing on yourself to get warm.

[Ferd]

Thank you Ferd. You always say it right. Where have you been today?!!!!! It also showed that McCain wasn't for big government.

didnt get on the internet much today. and getting off shortly.

hope I didnt just get myself banned.... hee hee hee.

[Pressing-On]

CC1, as an admin you can delete this if you want. I just have to say it.

voting for Obama or Hillary is like peeing on yourself to get warm.
Excuse him, it's getting late and it's really cold where he lives right now. :ursofunny

didnt get on the internet much today. and getting off shortly.

hope I didnt just get myself banned.... hee hee hee.

:ursofunny:ursofunny

I was on tooooo much today. I'll correct that tomorrow.

After all - tomorrow is another day!

:ursofunny

[CC1]

Excuse him, it's getting late and it's really cold where he lives right now. :ursofunny



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I was on tooooo much today. I'll correct that tomorrow.

After all - tomorrow is another day!

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LOL!!!

It is actually snowing here in Nashville tonight! Just last Sunday it was 72.

[Pressing-On]

LOL!!!

It is actually snowing here in Nashville tonight! Just last Sunday it was 72.

Our high tomorrow will be 68 and we have not had any snow. Too far south for it. Thank you Jesus! Give me cactus and Mesquite trees any day!

[chosenbyone]

I don't have time, right now, to look into each bill as some have up to 43 amendments, but what I do notice is that McCain is joining the Republicans in voting against Democratic measures, sooooooo........

Now, you and others have used articles from far-right publications, so I thought I would try to use an article from The Democratic News...can't blame a guy for trying, can ya?. :icecream

[BrotherEastman]

I really dont have time to go thru this tonight. but let me make one quick note.

McCain did not Cut taxes for the wealthy INSTEAD of funding military health care facilities.

Not 1 time, nor 6 times nor one hundred billion times.

this did NOT happen. It is a lie. the people you have been listening to are liars. (that might be why they are liberals....its in their blood.)

You see, cutting taxes actually raises revenue. Yup. that is right. cutting taxes raises revenue. RAISING taxes actually LOWERERs revenue. YUP, you heard me right. if you cut taxes, the government gets more money. if you raise taxes, the government gets less money.

How do I know this? because it worked with John Kennedy did it. It worked when Ronald Reagan did it. And it worked when G. W. Bush did it.

Why you ask? because when the government raises taxes, it siffons off funds that would otherwise be part of the economy, thus suppressing the economy. suppressed economies means less income to tax.

when you lower taxes, you effectivley pump billions of $$$ into the economy by leaving it in the hands of those who drive the economy (evil rich people who hire non-evil poor people like you and me). when an economy grows, the size of the economy gets bigger. so instead of getting 39% of a good economy, the government gets 35% of a GREAT economy and thus actually gets MORE money.

So John McCain, chose correctly to stimulate the economy so there would be more $$$ to do things like paint military hospital walls.

Oh by the way, there was no bill that simply funded military hospitals. that is also a lie.

facts are fun. I like facts.

Chosenbyone, I also like you. I think you are a great person.
Ferd, don't confuse them with facts, it just makes matters worse. LOL!

[BrotherEastman]

CC1, as an admin you can delete this if you want. I just have to say it.

voting for Obama or Hillary is like peeing on yourself to get warm.
I hear that doing this helps heal athletes foot. LOL!

[BrotherEastman]

What he said is not a tactic. It is the truth.
I usually agree with TR, and he makes a pretty good point; however at this point, I'm inclined to go with Rico on this. None of the canidates represent me, and I couldn't in good conscience vote for the choices that are before me. I really hate these canidates and what they represent. (I know hate is a strong word, but in this case it represents what they stand for)

[Pressing-On]

Now, you and others have used articles from far-right publications, so I thought I would try to use an article from The Democratic News...can't blame a guy for trying, can ya?. :icecream
Nice try, but no cigar!

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