MICHELLE OBAMA College Thesis Revealed-SHOCKING!

[StMark]

At the following link, there is an article on Obama's wife, Michelle, and in the first paragraph it gives links to her entire thesis. All of the below comments are true and you can go this link and read it for yourself. who PAID for her to write this? who paid for her scholarship?!?!?!?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html
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Princeton was requested to put a 'restriction' on distribution of any copies of the thesis of Michelle Obama (a/k/a/ Michelle laVaughn Robinson) saying it could not be made available until November 5, 2008 but when it was published on a political website they decided they would lift the restriction.

[Baron1710]

This is months old, man where ya been?

[OnTheFritz]

draining..........................

[rgcraig]

shocking......

[Timmy]

Hey Mark, is there anything that doesn't !!!SHOCK!!! you?

:toofunny

[StMark]

I went to check on the validity of this story and here is some
commentary from snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp

In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on "crime and hatred'. Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 'ineradicably racist'. The 1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community' was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.
Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, 'If those 'Whites at Princeton' really saw Michelle as one who always would 'be Black first,' it seems that she gave them that impression'.

Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms 'separationist' and 'integrationis t' when describing the views of black people.

Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a 'separationist' view of race.

Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but she elevates black over white in her world.

Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:

'There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.'

[Dedicated Mind]

Mark , I read part of the thesis and I don't see any "militant racism". Stop bashing the Obamas. You are bordering on racism and should repent. There is no evidence of "militant racism". Stop publishing LIES!

[StMark]

Mark , I read part of the thesis and I don't see any "militant racism". Stop bashing the Obamas. You are bordering on racism and should repent. There is no evidence of "militant racism". Stop publishing LIES!


These are not MY Words!!!! Got it ????

If you're going to comment, comment on what is being posted
in the articles and commentary that OTHERS, NOT STMARK, is
saying!!!! I never stated MY opinion got it???

So stop with the false accusations Thanks!!!

[Dedicated Mind]

These are not MY Words!!!! Got it ????

If you're going to comment, comment on what is being posted
in the articles and commentary that OTHERS, NOT STMARK, is
saying!!!! I never stated MY opinion got it???

So stop with the false accusations Thanks!!!

Who wrote "Obama's Militant Racism Revealed" from your first post? If those are not your words then you should have read the thesis to see if that title were true or not. By using that title you are facilitating racist views whether they are your own or not. Show me the evidence of militant racism or the charges of racism apply to you.

[StMark]

Who wrote "Obama's Militant Racism Revealed" from your first post? If those are not your words then you should have read the thesis to see if that title were true or not. By using that title you are facilitating racist views whether they are your own or not. Show me the evidence of militant racism or the charges of racism apply to you.

came from snopes' site - why don't you discuss the article and topic instead of personally attacking the person
who starts the discusion?

[chosenbyone]

came from snopes' site - why don't you discuss the article and topic instead of personally attacking the person
who starts the discusion?

Mark,

I happen to find your threads entertaining; however, it may not be a bad idea to read the articles you link, so that your thread topics could be supported by written facts.

The snopes.com site confirmed that Princeton originally was going to hold the content of Michelle Obama's thesis till November. I didn't find anywhere in the article that would paint Michelle as a militant racist.

I don't blame the university for wanting to hold the content of the thesis, given how people have been prone to twist facts in order to fit their own agenda.

Have a great day, friend.

CB1

[Ferd]

Im more concerned with what Barak will do to Amerrica than I am what Michelle thinks about a bunch of pampered pinheads at princeton.

[ReformedDave]

Im more concerned with what Barak will do to Amerrica than I am what Michelle thinks about a bunch of pampered pinheads at princeton.

But it's good to see the honest reporting StMark........

[Ferd]

But it's good to see the honest reporting StMark........

True. StMark has done a fine job. now that low level republican thread the other day was a bit over done..... but this one is accurate.

[connielori]

THANK YOU for this post. I wish people would get their heads out of the sand and see this couple for what they REALLY ARE.....and stop trying to be so politically correct!!!! (While 'they' are trying to be so politically correct and 'non-judgemental', our country is going to go down the drain!!!!)

And YOU have a right to give your opinion on this forum just like everybody else does!!!!

[George]

Mark , I read part of the thesis and I don't see any "militant racism". Stop bashing the Obamas. You are bordering on racism and should repent. There is no evidence of "militant racism". Stop publishing LIES!

If you click on the link provided at the beginning of the post, you can read her entire thesis. Parts 1-4. I believe her separationist position can be viewed somewhat militant because she is drawing the lines in the sand.

[jdm05]

THANK YOU for this post. I wish people would get their heads out of the sand and see this couple for what they REALLY ARE.....and stop trying to be so politically correct!!!! (While 'they' are trying to be so politically correct and 'non-judgemental', our country is going to go down the drain!!!!)

And YOU have a right to give your opinion on this forum just like everybody else does!!!!

That's the problem, they don't want to get their heads out of the sand. When convenient the race card is thrown in. Just because I am not for Obama right away I am considered a racist. I have no problem with a black man as president; I have a problem with someone who associates himself with people who "........" this country. I just don't trust Barack at all. Remember the "change" he talks about will be higher taxes among many other things. Get over the hype and REALLY see what he stands for.

[jdm05]

Mark , I read part of the thesis and I don't see any "militant racism". Stop bashing the Obamas. You are bordering on racism and should repent. There is no evidence of "militant racism". Stop publishing LIES!

I don't see where he is bashing the Obama's. These are news articles, not StMarks articles. He is only posting what's out there. I don't see why people get so defensive when speaking about the Obama's.

[Sister Alvear]

I like that Mark makes things interesting here on the forum...
My posts are usually all about the same...missionary life...

[TRFrance]

I don't blame the university for wanting to hold the content of the thesis, given how people have been prone to twist facts in order to fit their own agenda.



....or maybe they wanted to withhold the content to protect her (and by extension, her husband too) from embarrassing facts that might be revealed?

Just a thought.

[George]

....or maybe they wanted to withhold the content to protect her (and by extension, her husband too) from embarrassing facts that might be revealed?

Just a thought.

The Obama's campaign team had requested the thesis to not be available until after Nov. 8 because they knew it would be viewed as controversial but someone already had a copy of it and gave it to politco to publish. The Obama's released the hold afterwards.

[TRFrance]

The Obama's campaign team had requested the thesis to not be available until after Nov. 8 because they knew it would be viewed as controversial but someone already had a copy of it and gave it to politco to publish. The Obama's released the hold afterwards.

Gotcha.

Well, that further supports my theory, I'd say.

[jdm05]

The Obama's campaign team had requested the thesis to not be available until after Nov. 8 because they knew it would be viewed as controversial but someone already had a copy of it and gave it to politco to publish. The Obama's released the hold afterwards.


How convenient not to have it available before the election. I'm telling you I do not trust Barack & Michelle Obama. Jackie O', Michelle is not.

[Esther]

How convenient not to have it available before the election. I'm telling you I do not trust Barack & Michelle Obama. Jackie O', Michelle is not.

Agreed!

[ukjustin87]

The Obama's campaign team had requested the thesis to not be available until after Nov. 8 because they knew it would be viewed as controversial but someone already had a copy of it and gave it to politco to publish. The Obama's released the hold afterwards.

From the Politco article:
"Attempts to retrieve the document through Princeton proved unsuccessful, with school librarians having been pestered so much for access to the thesis that they have resorted to reading from a script when callers inquire about it. Media officers at the prestigious university were similarly unhelpful, claiming it is "not unusual" for a thesis to be restricted and refusing to discuss "the academic work of alumni." The Obama campaign, however, quickly responded to a request for the thesis by Politico."

[StMark]

But it's good to see the honest reporting StMark........



Thanks Dave but even when i get all the ducks
lined up perfectly I still end up gettin' a beatin'
kill the messenger you know??? O well I've been
at these forums long enough to know what to
expect from some folk.

Good to have you around again Dave

[CC1]

That's the problem, they don't want to get their heads out of the sand. When convenient the race card is thrown in. Just because I am not for Obama right away I am considered a racist. I have no problem with a black man as president; I have a problem with someone who associates himself with people who "........" this country. I just don't trust Barack at all. Remember the "change" he talks about will be higher taxes among many other things. Get over the hype and REALLY see what he stands for.

DITTO me on this post! This situation reminds me of how Ronald Reagan had the intestional fortitude to actually cause real debate on civil rights legislation. Before he did anybody who opposed any civil rights legislation, no matter how flawed or bad the bill was, was labeled as racist.

Now in 2008 anybody not drinking the Obama "Change" kool aid is labeled as racist. I don't give a rats rear about his color.

I care that a great orator is suckering in a lot of people with the promise of FREE health care, FREE education, FREE etc, etc when nothing in life is free.

I care that a yellow belly coward liberal wants to take the two tours in Iraq my son served in Fallujah and Ramadi and throw him risking his life away by pulling out of Iraq immediately when progress is finally being made in strengthening and stabilizing their new government.

I care that this left wing Senator has less experience than any Presidential canidate of a major party that I can remember.

I care that this left wing lib is excelling at the old Democrat tactic of class warfare. Trying to get the vote of the lower class by promising to stick it to the "wealthy" who in fact for the most part are the small business owners that are the engine of the American economy.

[StMark]

Article: Michelle Obama to get Makeover



check it out here: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/18/america/18michelle.php




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[tstew]

Interesting thread. I personally don't agree with a great number of her views, but I would also like to kind of put some of this into perspective. First, I would be much more interested in what she has written and said since college. I remember those days enough to know that it is a time of shifting opinions and "strong passion" about a number of things (usually something different...but somehow equally important...every semester). I can't even remember half of them these days. That being said though there is a disturbing trend with her in this area that may have carried on into her adult life.
Secondly, one thing that I have accepted as fact is that Black Americans and White Americans will never have quite the same view of American history. Even for those of us who are patriotic and love the country that we have become, there will usually be some fundamental emotional differences in how we view the history of our nation.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I care that a yellow belly coward liberal wants to take the two tours in Iraq my son served in Fallujah and Ramadi and throw him risking his life away by pulling out of Iraq immediately when progress is finally being made in strengthening and stabilizing their new government.



Obama has always advocated a more responsible withdrawal from Iraq than what you are giving him credit for. Clinton wanted ALL troops out in 3 months. Contrast Obama: 17 months for COMBAT troops, leaving "military trainers and advisors" in country to assist Iraq as needed.

[Rico]

Interesting thread. I personally don't agree with a great number of her views, but I would also like to kind of put some of this into perspective. First, I would be much more interested in what she has written and said since college. I remember those days enough to know that it is a time of shifting opinions and "strong passion" about a number of things (usually something different...but somehow equally important...every semester). I can't even remember half of them these days. That being said though there is a disturbing trend with her in this area that may have carried on into her adult life.
Secondly, one thing that I have accepted as fact is that Black Americans and White Americans will never have quite the same view of American history. Even for those of us who are patriotic and love the country that we have become, there will usually be some fundamental emotional differences in how we view the history of our nation.

Dude, I am so totally starting to like you! You are correct. History will be viewed differently by both sides. I think it's great that we are finally starting to move past some of the divisiveness we've seen between the races.

[Pressing-On]

Interesting thread. I personally don't agree with a great number of her views, but I would also like to kind of put some of this into perspective. First, I would be much more interested in what she has written and said since college. I remember those days enough to know that it is a time of shifting opinions and "strong passion" about a number of things (usually something different...but somehow equally important...every semester). I can't even remember half of them these days. That being said though there is a disturbing trend with her in this area that may have carried on into her adult life.
Secondly, one thing that I have accepted as fact is that Black Americans and White Americans will never have quite the same view of American history. Even for those of us who are patriotic and love the country that we have become, there will usually be some fundamental emotional differences in how we view the history of our nation.
Once again, tstew - Excellent post!! So much involved!!

[chosenbyone]

As I watched the clip of Michelle Obama on The View, I thought of all the scrunity and ridicule she has endured because her husband was running for President.

This clip was the first time I had the opportunity to get an idea of who she was and I was very impressed with her. She was very bright and personable.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=59twO1fJwtQ

[Sandra]

In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama
stated that America was a nation founded on 'crime and hatred'.
Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 'ineradicably racist'. The
1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community' was
written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.
Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton , it often
seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However, it was
reported
by a fellow black classmate, 'If those 'Whites at Princeton ' really saw
Michelle
as one who always would 'be Black first,' it seems that she gave them that
impression'.

Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms 'separationist' and
'integrationist' when describing the views of black people.
Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a 'separationist' view of race.
'By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as
a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the
desperation
of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an
integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.'
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to
her 'further integration a nd/or assimilation into a white cultural and social
structure
that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a
full participant.'

Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but
she elevates black over white in her world.



Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:
'There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black
community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize
all of my present and future resources to benefit the black
community first and foremost.'

What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she's first
lady that will elevate black over white in America ?
The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action
policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.
'Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically
designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising t he bulk of
their enrollments.'


The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.
Michelle Obama's poll of black alumni concludes that other black students
at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than
celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common
American culture more than they value the color of their skin. 'I hoped that
these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of
identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational
path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a
certain level of identification with the black community. However, these
findings do not support this possibility.'
Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire?
Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.
Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see

Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one
another.
The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and
world view seen through a race-based prism. This is a very
divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold
damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.


Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should give all
Americans pause for deep concern.
Now maybe she's changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to
grind with America. Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her
obviously
racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.
PS: We paid for her scholarship.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I don't think she was racist as much as I think she was trying too hard to be Black, too hard to carry the burden of the Black cause, the Black experience. It's like she saw herself outside of her impression of what being Black is, because of her accomplishments.

She was not comfortable with the person she saw herself becoming.

She earned and was afforded opportunities that many folks, Black and White, did not experience. Sometimes, for some Blacks I've met they say things and put up a persona to try to compensate for their lack of sense of identity with other Blacks. It's like they're trying too hard to prove their Blackness.

So they embarrass themselves.

In the end, we all should simply realize that it is ok to be different, it's ok to be you and it's human to not be able to help everyone.

For some "successful" Blacks, this realization is something we have to grow into.

I don't think that Michelle Robinson is the same Michelle Obama we see today, at least that would be my guess. Most people mature with age.

There's nothing militant about her.

In this article, what racist comment did she make? Has she ever made a racist comment?

Surely the Obama's have close friends who are not of the same race as they are.

[ILG]

I would hate for things I thought at that age to be posted all over the world. I'm not voting for Obama BTW.

[George]

Militant racism is correct. From the abundance of her heart her mouth spoke/hand wrote.

[Weary Pilgrim]

If Sarah Palin wrote something identical or similar with opposing racial views? Can you imagine what the reaction would be.


CNN would not be sitting idley by doing nothing that's for sure.

[Hoovie]

I would hate for things I thought at that age to be posted all over the world. I'm not voting for Obama BTW.

While this is true, would you not gladly say how you now reject the thinking, and that you were wrong?

This is not the case for MO who just this year made very inappropriate statements confirming her views concerning America are outside the mainstream.