View Full Version : Obama helps out his own...
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 12:24 PM
OR NOT!!!
The Italian edition of Vanity Fair said that it had found George Hussein Onyango Obama living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi.
Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html
DividedThigh
08-20-2008, 12:29 PM
his brother huh, gosh i guess that hut is better than billy the drunk carter, lol
OR NOT!!!
The Italian edition of Vanity Fair said that it had found George Hussein Onyango Obama living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi.
Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html
So, now it's Obama's job to support his brother? I have a sister in TN who lives off welfare. I'm not supporting her. What's yer point?
chosenbyone
08-20-2008, 12:38 PM
We don't know the full story...perhaps, Obama is practicing tough love with his brother. It is hard to comment without knowing ALL the details, IMO.
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 12:39 PM
So, now it's Obama's job to support his brother? I have a sister in TN who lives off welfare. I'm not supporting her. What's yer point?
If I had a brother living in a hut on a dollar a month even on my income (which obviously is no where near what BHO brings in) I would be ashamed about to go out and talk about programs to help the down and out.
Shows he is all talk, and happy to spend my money to "help" others but won't even help his own family.
LUKE2447
08-20-2008, 12:40 PM
Point is 1 dollar man, 1 dollar a month!
DividedThigh
08-20-2008, 12:42 PM
have to say, send the guy 100 bucks a year and he would be 100 times better off, maybe he could buy a new pan or something, good grief, my brother is my brother, family comes first, after Jesus, dt
tamor
08-20-2008, 01:08 PM
So, now it's Obama's job to support his brother? I have a sister in TN who lives off welfare. I'm not supporting her. What's yer point?
If I had a brother living in a hut on a dollar a month even on my income (which obviously is no where near what BHO brings in) I would be ashamed about to go out and talk about programs to help the down and out.
Shows he is all talk, and happy to spend my money to "help" others but won't even help his own family.
I am not an Obama supporter, but I have to agree with Rico on this one.
I have a sister who I am not gonna support either.
dansamy
08-20-2008, 01:16 PM
Well, if they are living off of government welfare programs, you're both supporting your sisters and so are the rest of us. Except none of us have a choice about it. I'd rather keep more of my own hard-earned income and use it to support programs that I believe in.
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 01:18 PM
Well, if they are living off of government welfare programs, you're both supporting your sisters and so are the rest of us. Except none of us have a choice about it. I'd rather keep more of my own hard-earned income and use it to support programs that I believe in.
That's exactly the point. Obama is all for the give away programs yet he doesn't do any giving away on his own. All of us know people we would not support yet the democrate answer is support them with tax dollars, the very same people they won't lift a finger to help.
DividedThigh
08-20-2008, 01:18 PM
i dont believe in enabling people to continue there lazy or errant ways, period, stop taxing me to death and i can expand how many people i help, no kidding, dt
dansamy
08-20-2008, 01:38 PM
That's exactly the point. Obama is all for the give away programs yet he doesn't do any giving away on his own. All of us know people we would not support yet the democrate answer is support them with tax dollars, the very same people they won't lift a finger to help.
We are not in disagreement. I think you may have mistaken me for a Democrat. I firmly believe in a free market and capitalism. I believe there's nothing wrong with programs to help people get on their feet. But I don't think it's the government's job to administer those programs. Civic and religious organizations should be doing that. And we, as free citizens, should be able to choose to support the programs helping people in a manner that we believe in.
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 01:40 PM
We are not in disagreement. I think you may have mistaken me for a Democrat. I firmly believe in a free market and capitalism. I believe there's nothing wrong with programs to help people get on their feet. But I don't think it's the government's job to administer those programs. Civic and religious organizations should be doing that. And we, as free citizens, should be able to choose to support the programs helping people in a manner that we believe in.
Sorry if I gave the impression I disagreed with you...I was agreeing.
If I had a brother living in a hut on a dollar a month even on my income (which obviously is no where near what BHO brings in) I would be ashamed about to go out and talk about programs to help the down and out.
Shows he is all talk, and happy to spend my money to "help" others but won't even help his own family.
HOGWASH! You guys will use anything you can find to discredit Obama. It's getting so old, it isn't funny anymore. For all you know, Obama may not even have contact with his half brother. Y'all are something else. I am getting so sick of this nonsense.
DividedThigh
08-20-2008, 01:41 PM
well isnt that better, obama should help his own, as should we all, i prefer that over the 4 welfare fams i financed last year, dt
If you're all so worried about Obama's brother, take up a collection amongst yourselves and send it to him. You don't care about him. All you care about is finding some other excuse to discredit BO.
DividedThigh
08-20-2008, 01:42 PM
in all fairness rico it seems you will go to any length the defend him, touche, dt
soldoutochrist
08-20-2008, 01:42 PM
From the article:
He has only met his famous older brother twice - once when he was just five and the last time in 2006 when Senator Obama was on a tour of East Africa and visited Nairobi.
Honestly, I understand how some think that Obama should help his brother out, but it obviously isn't like they grew up together or really know each other, IMO.
dansamy
08-20-2008, 01:44 PM
well isnt that better, obama should help his own, as should we all, i prefer that over the 4 welfare fams i financed last year, dt
I'd probably blow a gasket if I calculated how many welfare recipients I supported last year while also trying to feed my own kids.
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 01:45 PM
If you're all so worried about Obama's brother, take up a collection amongst yourselves and send it to him. You don't care about him. All you care about is finding some other excuse to discredit BO.
On the contrary, Obama will be taking up a collection to help folks like him out. It's not an excuse, he will spend tax dollars to do what he will not do himself.
DividedThigh
08-20-2008, 01:45 PM
:teaseI'd probably blow a gasket if I calculated how many welfare recipients I supported last year while also trying to feed my own kids.
allready did, trying to recover now, lol
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 01:50 PM
On the contrary, Obama will be taking up a collection to help folks like him out. It's not an excuse, he will spend tax dollars to do what he will not do himself.
Oh ya its great supporting people you wouldn't otherwise, Between federal and state they will get around 7-8 hundred out of this weeks paycheck.
DividedThigh
08-20-2008, 01:57 PM
i hear ya bro, and those pollys sure no better than you what to do with your riches, lol, dt
HOGWASH! You guys will use anything you can find to discredit Obama. It's getting so old, it isn't funny anymore. For all you know, Obama may not even have contact with his half brother. Y'all are something else. I am getting so sick of this nonsense.
Thanks Rico. you made me remember something.
Hogwash..... that reminds me of an old saying, you can slap lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig!
and you can paint Barak Obama up and make him look presidential but he is still just an ultra liberal community organizer with a strong connection to racist reform theology proponents, slum lords with criminal records and anti-american terrorists who have actually BOMBED the US Pentegon and has recently stated he wished he had done more....
and he wont even help a brother out!
changy change change my foot!
vrblackwell
08-20-2008, 03:12 PM
So, now it's Obama's job to support his brother? I have a sister in TN who lives off welfare. I'm not supporting her. What's yer point?
Point? I'll tell you the point.
This idiot talks about helping others, free health care, wealth redistribution, and the like. Take from the rich and give to the poor. "what you've done to the least of your brothers' or whatever it was he said.
He doesn't mind helping others as long as he is doing it with my hard earned money. He can't even send his own brother 10 dollars a month. What a joke this wimp is.
God: "Cain where is your brother"
Cain: "How should I know, am I supposed to be taking care of him?"
God: "Yes"
Point? I'll tell you the point.
This idiot talks about helping others, free health care, wealth redistribution, and the like. Take from the rich and give to the poor. "what you've done to the least of your brothers' or whatever it was he said.
He doesn't mind helping others as long as he is doing it with my hard earned money. He can't even send his own brother 10 dollars a month. What a joke this wimp is.
Talk is cheap. If you are that concerned about his brother, you send him the $10 per month. Then you will have room to criticize Obama.
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 03:29 PM
Talk is cheap. If you are that concerned about his brother, you send him the $10 per month. Then you will have room to criticize Obama.
Talk is NOT cheap as Obama is willing only to spend MY money to help others and not his own. I find that expensive.
Talk is NOT cheap as Obama is willing only to spend MY money to help others and not his own. I find that expensive.
Awwwwwwww! Poor Baron. He only gets to drive a $40,000 car, instead of a $60,000 car, thanks to those mean old Democrats who believe in taking care of the poor. Fer shame, fer shame! :snapout
Awwwwwwww! Poor Baron. He only gets to drive a $40,000 car, instead of a $60,000 car, thanks to those mean old Democrats who believe in taking care of the poor. Fer shame, fer shame! :snapout
Once again Rico proves he has no clue.
Dems dont believe in taking care of the poor. they believe in keeping poor people on the public dole so they will vote for the next hand out.
Republicans believe in helping the poor by working to stimulate growth and providing a pro-business environment thus giving poor people a better shot at a job that will get them out of poverty.
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 03:38 PM
Awwwwwwww! Poor Baron. He only gets to drive a $40,000 car, instead of a $60,000 car, thanks to those mean old Democrats who believe in taking care of the poor. Fer shame, fer shame! :snapout
Rico you are sadly mistaken about the value of my car try dropping a zero off. But more Marxist class envy is to be expected from the Obama camp here on AFF.
dansamy
08-20-2008, 03:52 PM
Yes, I'm a nurse. Yes, I make a good income. Yes, my husband is an airplane mechanic. Yes, he makes a good income. Over a third of our income goes to the government, while we struggle with a strict budget and have to keep our grocery bill to under $300 a month so we can afford to drive to our jobs. Meanwhile, people with no jobs whatsoever reap the benefits of my tax dollars buying birthday cakes with food stamps while we have to tell our children that momma will make them whatever they like. No, I am not for government handouts. I want all of them gone. Every single one. I want every dime I've ever paid to Social Security given back to me so that I can invest in my own retirement.
I once worked with a girl who had a job and received welfare checks from two states.
Yes, I'm a nurse. Yes, I make a good income. Yes, my husband is an airplane mechanic. Yes, he makes a good income. Over a third of our income goes to the government, while we struggle with a strict budget and have to keep our grocery bill to under $300 a month so we can afford to drive to our jobs. Meanwhile, people with no jobs whatsoever reap the benefits of my tax dollars buying birthday cakes with food stamps while we have to tell our children that momma will make them whatever they like. No, I am not for government handouts. I want all of them gone. Every single one. I want every dime I've ever paid to Social Security given back to me so that I can invest in my own retirement.
I once worked with a girl who had a job and received welfare checks from two states.
Hey Baron I think we found my Running mate!
I like this lady!
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 04:02 PM
Hey Baron I think we found my Running mate!
I like this lady!
Indeed. She speaks like someone who works for what she gets rather than expecting someone to hand it to her at the expense of someone else.
Indeed. She speaks like someone who works for what she gets rather than expecting someone to hand it to her at the expense of someone else.
is this where I make a crass comment about those who live off the wealth of others? ie welfare recipients and bureaucrats
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 04:35 PM
is this where I make a crass comment about those who live off the wealth of others? ie welfare recipients and bureaucrats
This is where you accept the nomination and begin planning your new sleeker model of government with less bureaucrats and no welfare recipients.
This is where you accept the nomination and begin planning your new sleeker model of government with less bureaucrats and no welfare recipients.
Im going to work on this....
First thing off the bat. every one that works for government has to spend 2 months per year as the guy riding the back of the trash truck.
Baron1710
08-20-2008, 04:45 PM
First thing off the bat. every one that works for government has to spend 2 months per year as the guy riding the back of the trash truck.
Hold up Ferd, those trash collectors are independent companies and they don't want no deadbeat government workers on their routes. Sheeesh you haven't been president an hour and you are already trying to kill capitalism.
Yes, I'm a nurse. Yes, I make a good income. Yes, my husband is an airplane mechanic. Yes, he makes a good income. Over a third of our income goes to the government, while we struggle with a strict budget and have to keep our grocery bill to under $300 a month so we can afford to drive to our jobs. Meanwhile, people with no jobs whatsoever reap the benefits of my tax dollars buying birthday cakes with food stamps while we have to tell our children that momma will make them whatever they like. No, I am not for government handouts. I want all of them gone. Every single one. I want every dime I've ever paid to Social Security given back to me so that I can invest in my own retirement.
I once worked with a girl who had a job and received welfare checks from two states.
Ok. I am not picking on you with my post, but I am using your post as a jumping off point. You say you are a nurse and your husband is an airline mechanic. By your own admission, you say you make a good income. That's great. What I don't understand is this: By comparison, my income and my wife's income combined has always been less than $30,000 a year, except for a couple of years that I did really well selling insurance. Out of what we make, we house and feed ourselves and four children. I read posts like yours and wonder how on earth you would struggle with having the money to drive to your jobs and buying your children a birthday cake. We don't have a lot, but my kids don't go hungry (we aren't on food stamps either), and our bills are paid. Again, I am not picking on you. I am just using your post to illustrate some things that don't make sense to me. If we were making the kind of money you folks are making, we could live like kings.
OneAccord
08-20-2008, 04:57 PM
If you haven't yet, go to NEW THREAD and post something nice to or about the poster before you! This is todays assignmment!
dansamy
08-20-2008, 05:17 PM
Rico, we have three children. All of whom were born pre-term. We have expenses that normal children would not have incurred. In addition, we have the normal expenses: school uniforms, insurance, child care (for three, mind you), groceries for five, gasoline for 2 commuters which is now over $100 a week. Yes, we made bad choices along the way that made things worse. I am not in favor of the government stepping in to fix any of the errors we've made along the way. It will take us two more years to become debt-free. Then, yes, we will have a better "standard of living" where the budget isn't so tight. Two years after that, we should be building/buying a house. (And birthday cake is an exaggeration on my part. We really can't afford the latest video game system and 6 new games every Christmas. However, if the government bought all my groceries, including those birthday cakes, we certainly could afford those types of things.)
Rico, we have three children. All of whom were born pre-term. We have expenses that normal children would not have incurred. In addition, we have the normal expenses: school uniforms, insurance, child care (for three, mind you), groceries for five, gasoline for 2 commuters which is now over $100 a week. Yes, we made bad choices along the way that made things worse. I am not in favor of the government stepping in to fix any of the errors we've made along the way. It will take us two more years to become debt-free. Then, yes, we will have a better "standard of living" where the budget isn't so tight. Two years after that, we should be building/buying a house. (And birthday cake is an exaggeration on my part. We really can't afford the latest video game system and 6 new games every Christmas. However, if the government bought all my groceries, including those birthday cakes, we certainly could afford those types of things.)
No doubt the child care is taking a huge chunk of what's coming in every week. I remember reading somewhere that by the time you deduct for the extra child care expenses, the commuting costs, and the wardrobe costs, many two income families barely break even on what the second income brings into the home. Even so, both of you working will pay off come retirement time, since you both will have SS, plus any retirement plan you put together on your own. Also, I hear you on those video games!! Good grief! Them things are high! I get my son a new game every now and then, but it's always from Game Stop because they sell games used. Some of them can be bought for only $10 too. We could probably qualify for food stamps, but we were alread on them for around three years, and I told my wife I am sick of having to spill my guts to some caseworker to get a few hundred dollars of food stamps. We eat a lot better quality food off of them anyhow, because we are very careful about what we buy now.
dansamy
08-20-2008, 09:03 PM
Rico, we do come out a little ahead. About $600 a month. Which is going towards the debt snowball. By the time we are out of debt, our children will also be old enough to be "latchkey" kids for the hour and a half before their dad gets home. So, our budget will look better in a two fold manner: no more debt payments and no more childcare expenses.
Regarding SS, that will be bankrupt long before I am ever entitled to get my money back from them.
George
08-21-2008, 12:00 AM
I think you all are missing something. IMO there is a big difference between an American welfare recipient and a poverty stricken African. Welfare doesn't really mean poverty in America. I don't know how anyone can visit a third world country and not want to help the people because the poverty is so extreme. (Ask Sherri) I can't fathom how Obama could have blood relatives in such poverty and not feel desperate to help them in some way no matter how small. I might not support a relative who is living off welfare in America because I would know if they really wanted to they could get a job. But a relative in serious poverty? I would have to help no matter how distant they might be.
vrblackwell
08-21-2008, 08:51 AM
I think you all are missing something. IMO there is a big difference between an American welfare recipient and a poverty stricken African. Welfare doesn't really mean poverty in America. I don't know how anyone can visit a third world country and not want to help the people because the poverty is so extreme. (Ask Sherri) I can't fathom how Obama could have blood relatives in such poverty and not feel desperate to help them in some way no matter how small. I might not support a relative who is living off welfare in America because I would know if they really wanted to they could get a job. But a relative in serious poverty? I would have to help no matter how distant they might be.
Ditto!
Rico, we do come out a little ahead. About $600 a month. Which is going towards the debt snowball. By the time we are out of debt, our children will also be old enough to be "latchkey" kids for the hour and a half before their dad gets home. So, our budget will look better in a two fold manner: no more debt payments and no more childcare expenses.
Regarding SS, that will be bankrupt long before I am ever entitled to get my money back from them.
Right now we are coming out ahead between $100-$200 a month, and it's all going into savings. Things are picking up with this work from home job I started a few months back, so I hope to be more ahead by the end of this year. Our children are all in school, so we are past the child care years. Not having to pay those expenses will make a huge difference in your budget. Like you, I have some serious doubts about SS being around when I retire.
I think you all are missing something. IMO there is a big difference between an American welfare recipient and a poverty stricken African. Welfare doesn't really mean poverty in America. I don't know how anyone can visit a third world country and not want to help the people because the poverty is so extreme. (Ask Sherri) I can't fathom how Obama could have blood relatives in such poverty and not feel desperate to help them in some way no matter how small. I might not support a relative who is living off welfare in America because I would know if they really wanted to they could get a job. But a relative in serious poverty? I would have to help no matter how distant they might be.
I go to church with some good honest heard working folk who fall below the poverty line here in america. They are from other countries... and they send a large portion of thier income back to their family in those third world countries....
you are 100% correct.
MissBrattified
08-21-2008, 09:28 AM
I'm not out to villify Obama, although I certainly won't be voting for him. But it does seem hypocritical for him to call the biggest moral failure of America the failure to fulfill the commandment in Matthew ("...that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, ...you do for me.") (Obama's quote--not the exact scripture)
That is, it's hypocritical if he isn't assisting his "least" brother. If the brother is currently living on $1/day, then Obama could send him and extra $3/day and possibly quadruple his quality of life.
Rico, as for your question: "Why don't you send his brother money if you care so much?" (directed at someone else, I know) My husband and I already support my mother, the church, missions, and other charities, so we do our part with our extra income. e.g., when I encourage others to be charitable, I'm NOT being hypocritical, because I'm practicing what I preach. When someone touts charity as Obama has, then he should make certain that he has BEEN charitable, else he will look hypocritical as this article was intending to point out.
This is especially true if there is a close friend or family member who needs help, which implies knowledge of a need without action.
The point of this article is not whether you are for or against welfare or "government dole", but whether or not Obama lives what he preaches, and that is a valid question to ask.
DividedThigh
08-21-2008, 09:35 AM
i personally have helped my brothers and sisters and will continue to as the lord blesses, aint listening to nobody lecture me about giving, especially democrats, dt
dansamy
08-21-2008, 07:30 PM
Right now we are coming out ahead between $100-$200 a month, and it's all going into savings. Things are picking up with this work from home job I started a few months back, so I hope to be more ahead by the end of this year. Our children are all in school, so we are past the child care years. Not having to pay those expenses will make a huge difference in your budget. Like you, I have some serious doubts about SS being around when I retire.
My state requires that a child be 10 years old to be latchkey. My youngest is 6.5. So I have to pay someone to watch them in the afternoons after school and on the Saturdays that I work, since their dad works every Saturday.
George
08-21-2008, 10:59 PM
I go to church with some good honest heard working folk who fall below the poverty line here in america. They are from other countries... and they send a large portion of thier income back to their family in those third world countries....
you are 100% correct.
Your fellow church goers is a perfect example of poor helping the poverty stricken.
Jermyn Davidson
08-23-2008, 01:00 AM
If I had a brother living in a hut on a dollar a month even on my income (which obviously is no where near what BHO brings in) I would be ashamed about to go out and talk about programs to help the down and out.
Shows he is all talk, and happy to spend my money to "help" others but won't even help his own family.
I strongly disagree with you. I think you may be judging a matter before you know all the details.
Furthermore, if he was financially "helping" this guy who is his half brother, there would be those who would be quick to criticize him for that.
If you don't like BHO, just say you don't like BHO.
But to criticize him in this area is not wise at all.
Family?
They have the same father, but are obviously years apart and probably not close in that brotherly way-- especially since they were probably raised on different continents by different guardians. But maybe I'm giving Obama too much credit here. :)
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