Salary Transparency is Coming

[Hoovie]

Is this a secular thing only? Will the churches and non-profits follow suit? Should they?


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/fashion/21Work.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&no_interstitial


“I believe the momentum behind salary transparency is really beginning to build,” said Traci Fenton, the chief executive of WorldBlu in Austin, Tex., which coaches companies on the creation of more “democratic workplaces,” and which practices what it preaches. The 11 employees at WorldBlu, most of whom work on contract, all know what one another are paid.

Openness about company ledgers “will become the norm,” Ms. Fenton predicts, “even if people come to it reluctantly. If people are paid what they are worth, there is no reason for people to feel uncomfortable about sharing salary information.”

[Sherri]

Interesting. I do think that good work should be rewarded. I don't agree with everyone who is doing the job getting the same pay.

I wouldn't necessarily want our salary broadcast to everyone, but then I guess I would feel differently if everyone else's was made known too.

Our employees are paid according to level of education/experience, longevity, faithfulness, and many other factors. Eddie sets all the salaries except his own; the deacons set that.

[Hoovie]

Interesting. I do think that good work should be rewarded. I don't agree with everyone who is doing the job getting the same pay.
I wouldn't necessarily want our salary broadcast to everyone, but then I guess I would feel differently if everyone else's was made known too.

Our employees are paid according to level of education/experience, longevity, faithfulness, and many other factors. Eddie sets all the salaries except his own; the deacons set that.

I don't think the article is saying that... unless they are doing pretty much the same job.

[Sherri]

I don't think the article is saying that... unless they are doing pretty much the same job.Just going by what that Motek company said. They are doing the same job, but I would bet that some of them are more efficient and effective than others.

[Hoovie]

Just going by what that Motek company said. They are doing the same job, but I would bet that some of them are more efficient and effective than others.

You are right - I could not deal with that either.

Besides, some bank tellers are much more beautiful than others... :)

[Hoovie]

Here is a dirty little secret that everyone suspects but can never get a confession on...

In much of specialty retail, like appliances and home furnishings, a pretty woman is much more valuable than a man... and a less than pretty woman (I'm trying to be polite folks) can be much less valuable than a man.

[DividedThigh]

it will cause more problems if all salaries are public, and just raise class envy to a new level, my opinion, i dont get a salary i earn all the money i make so it dont float with us, lol

[Blubayou]

I guess because my salary was always public knowledge, I never had a problem with anyone knowing what I made. I never tied my "worth" to what I made- good thing- because they don't pay school teachers much in Louisiana!

[Tyk]

I always thought church's and pastors would kinda want it public.

[Sherri]

I always thought church's and pastors would kinda want it public.
I'm assuming you're joking here, right?

[Sam]

I always thought church's and pastors would kinda want it public.


Some would and some wouldn't and for various reasons.

There's always a question of how well you trust those who handle finances and have no accountability and do not have to explain where the money goes. That is one extreme. The other extreme is that everyone knows where every cent goes that comes in. How do we fulfill not muzzling the ox and still be good stewards of our money? Is there some middle ground or place of moderation? If we pay a salary to a senior pastor, associate pastor(s), music minister, youth pastor, secretary, janitor, etc of the church, do we who support the church have a right to know what those salaries are?

[Sherri]

Some would and some wouldn't and for various reasons.

There's always a question of how well you trust those who handle finances and have no accountability and do not have to explain where the money goes. That is one extreme. The other extreme is that everyone knows where every cent goes that comes in. How do we fulfill not muzzling the ox and still be good stewards of our money? Is there some middle ground or place of moderation? If we pay a salary to a senior pastor, associate pastor(s), music minister, youth pastor, secretary, janitor, etc of the church, do we who support the church have a right to know what those salaries are?We show (in the annual report) what the total salaries are, but not broken down by staff member. That is personal business between the deacons and the pastor, in my opinion. By the way, no one on our staff is getting rich.

[AmazingGrace]

I agree with Sherri we also had an annual report which did show the total of salaries and ours was to employ 2 people and so there was no doubt who was making what since I worked for nothing! The pastors salary however if we did have more employees would have been something personal between him and the board!

[Sherri]

I agree with Sherri we also had an annual report which did show the total of salaries and ours was to employ 2 people and so there was no doubt who was making what since I worked for nothing! The pastors salary however if we did have more employees would have been something personal between him and the board!I work for nothing too. But that's by my own choice. They would gladly pay me, but I don't want to feel tied down to that office if I feel the urge to go somewhere!

[Hoovie]

We show (in the annual report) what the total salaries are, but not broken down by staff member. That is personal business between the deacons and the pastor, in my opinion. By the way, no one on our staff is getting rich.

Sherri, how do the deacons acheive such status? Are they appointed by the pastor?

[CC1]

Here is a dirty little secret that everyone suspects but can never get a confession on...

In much of specialty retail, like appliances and home furnishings, a pretty woman is much more valuable than a man... and a less than pretty woman (I'm trying to be polite folks) can be much less valuable than a man.

I would love to see the demographics of pharmaceutical salespersons. I mostly see 20ish & 30ish pretty women with good figures dressed in high heels with skirts short enough to show pretty legs.

I am sure the rate of getting through to see Dr.'s and spend a little quality time with them is greater for these women than some guy or some overweight ugly woman.

[Sherri]

Sherri, how do the deacons acheive such status? Are they appointed by the pastor?Suggested by Eddie or the other deacons; ratified by the church.