Breaking News -- Governor Palin's Daughter

[MissBrattified]

Fox News just ran a "breaking news" report that Governor Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and may be marrying the father of her baby.

:coffee2

[Michael Phelps]

Fox News just ran a "breaking news" report that Governor Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and may be marrying the father of her baby.

:coffee2

I'm curious to see the response by the Dems on this particular issue.

[MissBrattified]

According to Fox News, McCain was aware of this prior to the selection. Also, they are calling it a "private family matter", but I'm sure they wanted to make sure that they broke the news themselves, instead of letting it just be "found out."

[commonsense]

I saw a hint of her being pregnant the other day. The liberal article was speculating on the abortion issue since the governor is pro-life.

[RandyWayne]

From the obvious political angle, I can't help but see this as a positive. Her oldest is serving in the armed forces. Her youngest has downs, and now she has a 17 year old going through a "crisis".
A whole LOT of people are going to relate to one aspect or another of her family life.

[Tim Rutledge]

According to Fox News, McCain was aware of this prior to the selection. Also, they are calling it a "private family matter", but I'm sure they wanted to make sure that they broke the news themselves, instead of letting it just be "found out."

S. Palin was pregnant when she got married too.

[Baron1710]

According to Fox News, McCain was aware of this prior to the selection. Also, they are calling it a "private family matter", but I'm sure they wanted to make sure that they broke the news themselves, instead of letting it just be "found out."

How sad that anyone thinks this is appropriate for the news to report on. Imagine being 17 year old young lady and having to deal with all the issues of her pregnancy played out in front of a nation.

[Esther]

How sad that anyone thinks this is appropriate for the news to report on. Imagine being 17 year old young lady and having to deal with all the issues of her pregnancy played out in front of a nation.

I agree!

[Michael Phelps]

How sad that anyone thinks this is appropriate for the news to report on. Imagine being 17 year old young lady and having to deal with all the issues of her pregnancy played out in front of a nation.

One week ago, she wouldn't have had to worry about it.

[MissBrattified]

How sad that anyone thinks this is appropriate for the news to report on. Imagine being 17 year old young lady and having to deal with all the issues of her pregnancy played out in front of a nation.

I think it's necessary for them (the family and the campaign) to report on it, to minimize the negative press (if any). Although, I don't think the Democrats will make themselves look good if they say anything negative toward the daughter or Governor Palin over this issue.

:)

[MissBrattified]

From the obvious political angle, I can't help but see this as a positive. Her oldest is serving in the armed forces. Her youngest has downs, and now she has a 17 year old going through a "crisis".
A whole LOT of people are going to relate to one aspect or another of her family life.

I agree.

[Tim Rutledge]

One week ago, she wouldn't have had to worry about it.

That.. "be sure, your sins will find you out" really applies to her.
Poor kid.

[Baron1710]

I think it's necessary for them (the family and the campaign) to report on it, to minimize the negative press (if any). Although, I don't think the Democrats will make themselves look good if they say anything negative toward the daughter or Governor Palin over this issue.

:)

I agree but the reason they reported on it was the bogus claims of the leftist bloggers claiming that the youngest baby (Trig I think his name is) actually belonged to the daughter. Sick people that will go to any length to discredit her even photoshopping photos of her.

[Pro31:28]

We had this happen to a girl at our school last year. She was an incoming senior and she was up for valedictorian. The principal came to me to explain the situation because of the yearbook angle (it was my first year, I did not know the girl, and so we had to make decisions about featuring her... etc)
I told the principal, "If we all had to carry every one of our sins around on our bodies for 9 months, even after repenting, we may have a little more compassion for those who do"...

Not to mention the rest of our lives ... She needs prayer and a great big hug for not "taking care" of the "problem"... She is a brave young woman

[JaneEyre]

S. Palin was pregnant when she got married too.

I think the wikipedia entry for Sarah Palin has been altered. I believe it said she married on August 29 and her first child was born the next April. I did not see that a few minutes ago when I looked. Sarah Palin's first child could have been a premature baby but I had wondered about this myself. I really can't see this or her daughter's pregnancy as a positive for her even if her daughter does not have an abortion.

[tstew]

I can't help but see this as a negative. Removing all partisanship, I would have to think that if Obama (or any other Democratic Presidential nominee) had a high school age daughter pop up pregnant, many conservatives would be all over it. There would probably be a few verses sprinkled in about ruling your house etc... No matter who the candidate is, this is a bad situation at a bad time.
Even Britney Spear's mother was hammered when her 17 year old daughter got pregnant.

[Bro-Larry]

Unwed mothers are applauded, by the world, now-a-days.

[Tim Rutledge]

I think the wikipedia entry for Sarah Palin has been altered. I believe it said she married on August 29 and her first child was born the next April. I did not see that a few minutes ago when I looked. Sarah Palin's first child could have been a premature baby but I had wondered about this myself. I really can't see this or her daughter's pregnancy as a positive for her even if her daughter does not have an abortion. We forgive and go on.

I guess I could be mistaken, but.. I read she eloped, then had a baby 8 months later. Maybe I assumed too much. The article was pro-Palin. Either way.. McCain picked right!

[MissBrattified]

Unwed mothers are applauded, by the world, now-a-days.

Not really. For all it's liberal views, the media is conversely puritanical when it takes a notion.

[Sarah]

I can't help but see this as a negative. Removing all partisanship, I would have to think that if Obama (or any other Democratic Presidential nominee) had a high school age daughter pop up pregnant, many conservatives would be all over it. There would probably be a few verses sprinkled in about ruling your house etc... No matter who the candidate is, this is a bad situation at a bad time.
Even Britney Spear's mother was hammered when her 17 year old daughter got pregnant.

I believe you're probably right, tshew.

There will be pro and con, but the bottom line, she is said to be a conservative, has family values, etc. Some people will try and squash that.

I hope the family can just overcome it and get on with the business at hand. I feel sorry for all of them.

[TRFrance]

It's interesting that this daughter was holding Sarah Palin's baby at the speech Friday when Palin was introduced. Since she's 5 months pregnant, that allowed her to use the baby to cover her own belly bump.

I dont see hwo this can be a positive for Palin though. Critics are already asking how she could expect to raise multiple children and be Vice president at the same time, with one the kids having Downs Syndrome. Having a teenage daughter pop up pregnant just adds to the speculation that she cant properly manage her household.

This certainly doesn't help thins for McCain/Palin, but I 'm not sure how much it'll hurt. The media could end up making a big stink over it, or it could just get brushed aside.

[crakjak]

I can't help but see this as a negative. Removing all partisanship, I would have to think that if Obama (or any other Democratic Presidential nominee) had a high school age daughter pop up pregnant, many conservatives would be all over it. There would probably be a few verses sprinkled in about ruling your house etc... No matter who the candidate is, this is a bad situation at a bad time.
Even Britney Spear's mother was hammered when her 17 year old daughter got pregnant.

Obama said if his daughter made a mistake he would want her to have an abortion so as not to be penalized with a baby.

It is not a good situation, however many of us have been touched close to home with this type situation. How they handle this is a better sample of their character than the fact that it happened. My niece married her child's father and though some rough times, they are following after the Lord.

[Baron1710]

It's interesting that this daughter was holding Sarah Palin's baby at the speech Friday when Palin was introduced. Since she's 5 months pregnant, that allowed her to use the baby to cover her own belly bump.

I dont see hwo this can be a positive for Palin though. Critics are already asking how she could expect to raise multiple children and be Vice president at the same time, with one the kids having Downs Syndrome. Having a teenage daughter pop up pregnant just adds to the speculation that she cant properly manage her household.

This certainly doesn't help thins for McCain/Palin, but I 'm not sure how much it'll hurt. The media could end up making a big stink over it, or it could just get brushed aside.

You mean like JFK, Or Lincoln had when they moved into the Whitehouse? Maybe there is still a glass ceiling.

[TRFrance]

Obama said if his daughter made a mistake he would want her to have an abortion so as not to be penalized with a baby.

It is not a good situation, however many of us have been touched close to home with this type situation. How they handle this is a better sample of their character than the fact that it happened. My niece married her child's father and though some rough times, they are following after the Lord.

I agree. Obama said “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I dont want them punished with a baby."

Teenage pregnancy can affect any family. It even affects the families of Pentecostal preachers. It's just an unfortunate fact of life.

But I think this does show an interesting contast between how the Palin family would handle it vs. how the Obama family would handle a similar situation.

In the end, though, I don't think this will be a deciding factor in how people choose to vote in November.

[crakjak]

I agree. Obama said “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I dont want them punished with a baby."

Teenage pregnancy can affect any family. It even affects the families of Pentecostal preachers. It's just an unfortunate fact of life.

But I think this does show an interesting contast between how the Palin family would handle it vs. how the Obama family would handle a similar situation.

In the end, though, I don't think this will be a deciding factor in how people choose to vote in November.

I agree the contrast is stark, and I agree that this will not be major issue in the campaign.

[Hoovie]

At least this will be a minor distraction... at most it may cost some conservative votes... neither is a positive though.

[tstew]

Obama said if his daughter made a mistake he would want her to have an abortion so as not to be penalized with a baby.

It is not a good situation, however many of us have been touched close to home with this type situation. How they handle this is a better sample of their character than the fact that it happened. My niece married her child's father and though some rough times, they are following after the Lord.

My point was that it appears that partisanship instinctively tries to make us spin things in a positive direction and not be objective. I cannot see any conservative saying that Obama's high school daughter popping up pregnant would be a positive as it would make people relate to him. This forum would have exploded with people talking about his parenting, his family, his values, the example his family sets, etc...
I am starting to hate partisanship. I am consider myself neither Democrat or Republican because I am starting to see how partisanship is just a way for politicians to play both sides against the middle...the "middle" being America, her culture, people, ideals, best interests, sovereignty, future, etc...

[TRFrance]

At least this will be a minor distraction... at most it may cost some conservative votes... neither is a positive though.
Indeed. It does take a little bit of the shine off them, in the sense of being that picture perfect "All-American family". Some religious and social conservatives will definitely take issue with it.

But at the end of the day, for voters it will still come down to whether we want to live in John McCain's America or Barack Obama's America. That's what really matters here.

[Baron1710]

Indeed. It does take a little bit of the shine off them, in the sense of being that picture perfect "all American family". Some religious and social conservatives will definitely take issue with it.

But at the end of the day, for voters it will still come down to whether we want to live in John McCain's America or Barack Obama's America. That's what really matters here.

Only those who lack values wil have a problem with it. Just because many of the teenagers that have sex don't get pregant doesn't mean that they aren't doing it. No I am not saying everyone is doing it. How they are responding to the situation shows their values. When It is the pastors daughter do we mark the family forever? Or do we forgive restore and move on?

[Tim Rutledge]

My point was that it appears that partisanship instinctively tries to make us spin things in a positive direction and not be objective. I cannot see any conservative saying that Obama's high school daughter popping up pregnant would be a positive as it would make people relate to him. This forum would have exploded with people talking about his parenting, his family, his values, the example his family sets, etc...
I am starting to hate partisanship. I am consider myself neither Democrat or Republican because I am starting to see how partisanship is just a way for politicians to play both sides against the middle...the "middle" being America, her culture, people, ideals, best interests, sovereignty, future, etc...

If Hussein Obama's daughter became pregnant, we'd never know. They'd kill it.
Obama is a dirt bag. (that was free).
Where's Rico??

[AmazingGrace]

If Hussein Obama's daughter became pregnant, we'd never know. They'd kill it.
Obama is a dirt bag. (that was free).
Where's Rico??

Agreed and Rico left mad a few days ago cuz his buddies got banned LOL

[Pro31:28]

Only those who lack values wil have a problem with it. Just because many of the teenagers that have sex don't get pregant doesn't mean that they aren't doing it. No I am not saying everyone is doing it. How they are responding to the situation shows their values. When It is the pastors daughter do we mark the family forever? Or do we forgive restore and move on?

Restoration??? Back to the family of God??? What a concept!

[rgcraig]

Pregnant teenage daughter vs. associating with terrorist - - hmmmmm, one these things seems a bit more threatening to the US than the other.

[Aquila]

From the obvious political angle, I can't help but see this as a positive. Her oldest is serving in the armed forces. Her youngest has downs, and now she has a 17 year old going through a "crisis".
A whole LOT of people are going to relate to one aspect or another of her family life.

The political angle's all anyone really cares about. Yep. It's all about winning an election.

[Aquila]

S. Palin was pregnant when she got married too.

Them's some real nice family values. Was it McCain's? lol

[Aquila]

I think it's necessary for them (the family and the campaign) to report on it, to minimize the negative press (if any). Although, I don't think the Democrats will make themselves look good if they say anything negative toward the daughter or Governor Palin over this issue.

:)

I agree. Most likely the Democrats won't touch it.

[AmazingGrace]

I am very impressed for once with the Obama camp... They made a statement and said that this is a family matter and is totally off limits politically and needs to be kept that way! YAY! For them

[Baron1710]

Them's some real nice family values. Was it McCain's? lol

You know what your lame attempt at a joke flopped and you really ought to apologize. I guess Mr. how-to-walk-into-a-bar-and-kiss-a-girl ought not be throwing stones.

[Aquila]

Unwed mothers are applauded, by the world, now-a-days.

Balderdash. Unwed mothers are a tragedy to everyone.

[TRFrance]

Them's some real nice family values. Was it McCain's? lol
That's not funny.

And we don't even know for sure it its true.

Her first child was born a little over 7 1/2 mos after she got married. So for all we know, the child might have been born prematurely.

[Aquila]

I guess I could be mistaken, but.. I read she eloped, then had a baby 8 months later. Maybe I assumed too much. The article was pro-Palin. Either way.. McCain picked right!

Riiiiiggggghhhhhht. If he dies in office we'll have someone who has absolutely no defense or foreign relation experience in office.

[TRFrance]

Agreed and Rico left mad a few days ago cuz his buddies got banned LOL

Did he leave for good, or just taking time off to protest? Do you know?

[AmazingGrace]

Did he leave for good, or just taking time off to protest? Do you know?

Not sure... he left so fast didnt get a chance to ask LOL

[Aquila]

Obama said if his daughter made a mistake he would want her to have an abortion so as not to be penalized with a baby.

That's not exactly what he said. The point was that he'd much rather she have a choice than be forced by the government to have a baby.

It is not a good situation, however many of us have been touched close to home with this type situation. How they handle this is a better sample of their character than the fact that it happened. My niece married her child's father and though some rough times, they are following after the Lord.

The statement you made above makes a lot of sense.

[Aquila]

I agree. Obama said “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I dont want them punished with a baby."

Teenage pregnancy can affect any family. It even affects the families of Pentecostal preachers. It's just an unfortunate fact of life.

But I think this does show an interesting contast between how the Palin family would handle it vs. how the Obama family would handle a similar situation.

In the end, though, I don't think this will be a deciding factor in how people choose to vote in November.

I agree.

[TRFrance]

Riiiiiggggghhhhhht. If he dies in office we'll have someone who has absolutely no defense or foreign relation experience in office.
Good grief.
If Obama gets voted in we'll have a president with no defense or foreign relations experience in office.

Many liberals seem to not get that.

When it comes to the "experience" issue, Obama supporters really shouldn't be throwing stones from their glass house.

[Aquila]

My point was that it appears that partisanship instinctively tries to make us spin things in a positive direction and not be objective. I cannot see any conservative saying that Obama's high school daughter popping up pregnant would be a positive as it would make people relate to him. This forum would have exploded with people talking about his parenting, his family, his values, the example his family sets, etc...
I am starting to hate partisanship. I am consider myself neither Democrat or Republican because I am starting to see how partisanship is just a way for politicians to play both sides against the middle...the "middle" being America, her culture, people, ideals, best interests, sovereignty, future, etc...

You're on to something. The vast majority of modern "organized" Christianity in the US is nothing but a wing of the RNC's propaganda machine. They're nothing but political action committees holding bibles under their arms and sadly the majority of evangelical pastors are just their political lap dogs who are expected to bark as loud as possible during the election cycle.

[Baron1710]

You're on to something. The vast majority of modern "organized" Christianity in the US is nothing but a wing of the RNC's propaganda machine. They're nothing but political action committees holding bibles under their arms and sadly the majority of evangelical pastors are just their political lap dogs who are expected to bark as loud as possible during the election cycle.

Wow...the boy wonder chastises a nation of pastors and Christians. What an absolutely ignorant statement.

[Aquila]

If Hussein Obama's daughter became pregnant, we'd never know. They'd kill it.
Obama is a dirt bag. (that was free).
Where's Rico??

That's a vile, accusatory, personal attack.

We really have no idea what they'd do until they face the situation. But I have a feeling their daughters are trained well enough not to get into such a situation.

[rgcraig]

I am very impressed for once with the Obama camp... They made a statement and said that this is a family matter and is totally off limits politically and needs to be kept that way! YAY! For them

Of course, they don't want it pointed out that she CHOSE to keep the baby!

[Baron1710]

That's a vile, accusatory, personal attack.

We really have no idea what they'd do until they face the situation. But I have a feeling their daughters are trained well enough not to get into such a situation.

Yes, that's right it is Obama's party that wants to hand out condoms and birth control and when that fails kill the baby.

[Aquila]

Pregnant teenage daughter vs. associating with terrorist - - hmmmmm, one these things seems a bit more threatening to the US than the other.

Obama isn't best friends with the man. He was involved with some efforts where the man was part of the initiative. Obama was 8 years old when this "terrorist" was conducting his operations.

[Aquila]

I am very impressed for once with the Obama camp... They made a statement and said that this is a family matter and is totally off limits politically and needs to be kept that way! YAY! For them

Democrats tend to keep issues of morality and family trouble personal. Republicans are the one's who will typically push it to the top of the headlines for political gain.

[rgcraig]

Democrats tend to keep issues of morality and family trouble personal. Republicans are the one's who will typically push it to the top of the headlines for political gain.

LOL!:ursofunny

[AmazingGrace]

LOL!:ursofunny

yea my thoughts too

[Aquila]

You know what your lame attempt at a joke flopped and you really ought to apologize. I guess Mr. how-to-walk-into-a-bar-and-kiss-a-girl ought not be throwing stones.

Yep, I have a history before getting my heart right. And I can tell you, McCain's a womanizing dolt. He was cheating on his wife (who was faithful to him while he was in Vietnam) and eventually left her and his kids for his current wife.

[Aquila]

Yes, that's right it is Obama's party that wants to hand out condoms and birth control and when that fails kill the baby.

Riiiiiggggghhhhht. Republicans tend to support similar measures on the local level. It's only politicized for national elections to stir up the base.

[Baron1710]

Yep, I have a history before getting my heart right. And I can tell you, McCain's a womanizing dolt. He was cheating on his wife (who was faithful to him while he was in Vietnam) and eventually left her and his kids for his current wife.

You made an accusation against Palin, and you throw a lot of stones for someone with so little life experience.

[Aquila]

You made an accusation against Palin, and you throw a lot of stones for someone with so little life experience.

I have my opinions.

Hey.... tell me a little about my "life experience".

[TRFrance]

We really have no idea what they'd do until they face the situation. But I have a feeling their daughters are trained well enough not to get into such a situation.

You cant assume how well his daughters are "trained" , not to get into that situation. If children of Holy-Ghost filled saints get into such situations, how can you presume the daughters of an unsaved man are "trained well enought not to get into such a situation" ?

[Baron1710]

I have my opinions.

Hey.... tell me a little about my "life experience".

Anyone that thinks jokes about a teenage pregnancy are funny have a either limited life experience or just need to be smacked around a bit.

[Aquila]

Wow...the boy wonder chastises a nation of pastors and Christians. What an absolutely ignorant statement.

If the shoe fits. It's not all pastors or churches....many are apolitical. But most I've been to are brazenly Republican PACs.

[freeatlast]

Just read an E-mail stating that Palin is Assembly of God. Anyone one hear of this...or is this old news by now?

[rgcraig]

Just read an E-mail stating that Palin is Assembly of God. Anyone one hear of this...or is this old news by now?

There's a thread about it. She was raised AOG, but now attends a non-denominational church.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18166

[Ferd]

two points that seem relevent to this thread and Aquillas mindless rantings.

during the Saddleback interview, John McCain acknowledged that his greatest moral failure was the failure of his first marriage.

He simply said he took full responsibility for it.

repentance and forgiveness are important concepts.


second, when talking about the subject of abortion Barry Obama said that he was teaching his daughters morals but if they did get pregnant, he "didnt want them punished with a baby"

those are his actual real words spoken in this election in the last month or two.

[Aquila]

Anyone that thinks jokes about a teenage pregnancy are funny have a either limited life experience or just need to be smacked around a bit.

So Baron.... tell me a little about my life experience....or come smack me around. But I assure you, one thing I learned in the military was that physical threats don't get the job done.

[AmazingGrace]

Anyone that thinks jokes about a teenage pregnancy are funny have a either limited life experience or just need to be smacked around a bit.

I agree and I think its the latter. Some people are just stoopid... I tell ya if it was his kid he would sure be talking differently!

[Aquila]

two points that seem relevent to this thread and Aquillas mindless rantings.

during the Saddleback interview, John McCain acknowledged that his greatest moral failure was the failure of his first marriage.

He simply said he took full responsibility for it.

repentance and forgiveness are important concepts.


second, when talking about the subject of abortion Barry Obama said that he was teaching his daughters morals but if they did get pregnant, he "didnt want them punished with a baby"

those are his actual real words spoken in this election in the last month or two.

Ferd, can you give us the entire statement from Obama on the issue instead of quoting just seven words of it out of it's entire context?

[AmazingGrace]

So Baron.... tell me a little about my life experience....or come smack me around. But I assure you, physical threats don't get the job done.

He did not threat you physically... quit being a cry baby! He said you needed smacked around maybe... he didnt offer to do it... If you can quit crying long enough to read that???

[TRFrance]

Yep, I have a history before getting my heart right. And I can tell you, McCain's a womanizing dolt. He was cheating on his wife (who was faithful to him while he was in Vietnam) and eventually left her and his kids for his current wife.
Interesting.
You want people here to disregard your failings from not too long ago...
Supposedly, you've put that stuff in the past, and would rather leave it there.

But apparently, McCain is not allowed to do that, in your mind.

You refer to McCain as being a womanizing dolt, based on stuff he did in the 1970's. He's been married to Cindy for 28 years and there is no evidence of any infidelity toward her.

[Aquila]

Interesting.
You want people here to disregard your failings from not too long ago...
Supposedly, you've put that stuff in the past, and would rather leave it there.

But apparently, McCain is not allowed to to that, in your mind.

You refer to McCain as being a womanizing dolt, based on stuff he did in the 1970's. He's been married to Cindy for 28 years and there is no evidence of any infidelity toward her.

I'd never run for President.

[Baron1710]

Anyone that thinks jokes about a teenage pregnancy are funny have a either limited life experience or just need to be smacked around a bit.

So Baron.... tell me a little about my life experience....or come smack me around. But I assure you, one thing I learned in the military was that physical threats don't get the job done.

So you have none and you would like to be smacked around?

[AmazingGrace]

i'd never run for president.

thank god!!!!!!!

[Aquila]

He did not threat you physically... quit being a cry baby! He said you needed smacked around maybe... he didnt offer to do it... If you can quit crying long enough to read that???

Ok, so he wants someone else to do it. LOL Same difference. And I'm not crying dude. I'm just pointing out the tone of physical violence.

[Baron1710]

Interesting.
You want people here to disregard your failings from not too long ago...
Supposedly, you've put that stuff in the past, and would rather leave it there.

But apparently, McCain is not allowed to to that, in your mind.

You refer to McCain as being a womanizing dolt, based on stuff he did in the 1970's. He's been married to Cindy for 28 years and there is no evidence of any infidelity toward her.

I bet he can't stand Bill Clinton then. :ursofunny

[Joelel]

Fox News just ran a "breaking news" report that Governor Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and may be marrying the father of her baby.

:coffee2

Yes,everyone will dig up everything they can.It has nothing to do with rather she would be a good president if needed be.No matter what they found out about McCain And Paline I would never vote for Obama.Obama is the 2 nd.beast of revelations.

[Aquila]

So you have none and you would like to be smacked around?

Baron....you wanna go personal? I was talking about Palin, Republicans, and Democrats. And you go personal. Get a life dude.

[rgcraig]

Ok, so he wants someone else to do it. LOL Same difference. And I'm not crying dude. I'm just pointing out the tone of physical violence.

You are a smart man, how can someone produce physical violence on a forum? :snapout means as much as what Baron said to you.

[Aquila]

thank god!!!!!!!

One thing I do know...I have more military experience than she does.

[Baron1710]

Baron....you wanna go personal? I was talking about Palin, Republicans, and Democrats. And you go personal. Get a life dude.

I will go personal with anyone who thinks teen pregnancy is a joke or something to be used for political gain.

[rgcraig]

One thing I do know...I have more military experience than she does.

And McCain has more than YOU or Obama!

[Aquila]

You are a smart man, how can someone produce physical violence on a forum? :snapout means as much as what Baron said to you.

Threats of physical violence rgcraig. He wants to slap me around, or wants someone else to do it. Hey, if he's ever in my neck of the woods, I'd let him pound on me if it would make him feel better.

[Aquila]

And McCain has more than YOU or Obama!

Yep. While I think he did his wife wrong, I assure you I appreciate his military service and half century of service to our country. I just question his judgment on picking Palin. He should have picked a foreign policy and national defense hawk, because if something happens to him we'll need solid elected leadership.

[rgcraig]

Threats of physical violence rgcraig. He wants to slap me around, or wants someone else to do it. Hey, if he's ever in my neck of the woods, I'd let him pound on me if it would make him feel like a man.

He did not threaten you. :snapout

[rgcraig]

Yep. While I think he did his wife wrong, I assure you I appreciate his military service and half century of service to our country. I just question his judgment on picking Palin. He should have picked a foreign policy and national defense hawk, because if something happens to him we'll need solid elected leadership.

I believe we'll be fine!

[Baron1710]

16 years ago I knew a teenage boy and a teenage girl that were in that position and it is not an easy thing. The sacrifices that have to be made from a single mistake are enormous, the shame and attitude of people in the church is downright disgusting. Abortion is the easy way out. Try living on minimum wage because you dropped out of college to marry and raise that baby, try going back to school when everyone is 10 years younger than you and you are coaching little league rather than studying. Try telling your 15 year old that it's not God's plan to have sex outside of marriage at the same time your telling him that his parents were expecting when they got married.

Teen pregnancy is no joke, and I do take it personally.

[Aquila]

He did not threaten you. :snapout

I never brought up anyone being slapped around. He did. I know he was just making sport because he thinks the idea taking people that don't agree with him and slapping them around is funny or cute. That's cool I guess. He's a Republican, so I'm sure he could say anything and get by with it. I'm a radical independent who feels downright betrayed and suspicious of Republicans. I'm automatically in the wrong. So what does it matter? LOL

And he wants to talk about life experiences....I've got memories you can't drink away. I know....I've tried.

[AmazingGrace]

One thing I do know...I have more military experience than she does.

You know what? I have more military experience than she does and who cares? Am I running for president? Nope... would I be a good choice for office.. No way!

[TRFrance]

Threats of physical violence rgcraig. He wants to slap me around, or wants someone else to do it. Hey, if he's ever in my neck of the woods, I'd let him pound on me if it would make him feel better.

He did not threaten you. :snapout

Thank you!

Aquila, seriously...you're sounding really immature right now.
Calm down a bit, man .

[Aquila]

I believe we'll be fine!

That's 'cause she's a Republican.

I'm not a Republican and I don't believe we'd be fine.

[Baron1710]

I never brought up anyone being slapped around. He did. I know he was just making sport because he thinks the idea taking people that don't agree with him and slapping them around is funny or cute. That's cool I guess. He's a Republican, so I'm sure he could say anything and get by with it. I'm a radical independent who feels downright betrayed and suspicious of Republicans. I'm automatically in the wrong. So what does it matter? LOL

You are radical leftist who still holds the ideas of someone spoon fed from his local university.

[Aquila]

You know what? I have more military experience than she does and who cares? Am I running for president? Nope... would I be a good choice for office.. No way!

AG....wish you were running. You'd make a better choice than the creeps up there right now.

[Esther]

Yep. While I think he did his wife wrong, I assure you I appreciate his military service and half century of service to our country. I just question his judgment on picking Palin. He should have picked a foreign policy and national defense hawk, because if something happens to him we'll need solid elected leadership.

Frankly, I'm tired of us trying to govern the rest of the world. We have plenty of problems to take care of right here in the good ole USA.

I still LOVE his choice!

[Aquila]

You are radical leftist who still holds the ideas of someone spoon fed from his local university.

Ooooo. More personal insults. I wonder if you can get more personally insulting? Type away. Call me a communist, baby killer, homosexual lover, leftist socialist, or anything else you can think of. Feel free....I'm right here.

[AmazingGrace]

AG....wish you were running. You'd make a better choice than the creeps up there right now.

Well thanks I guess LOL... However one of my best friends was in the legislature and he begged me often to get involved in politics and just not my thing. I do love the military and do love working with DOD however right now my time and thing is my kids and love being a MOM....

One day I may go back to some of the old stuff but I still couldnt live in public office... too much nosey people

[Aquila]

Frankly, I'm tired of us trying to govern the rest of the world. We have plenty of problems to take care of right here in the good ole USA.

I still LOVE his choice!

I agree. I think we do need to manage our nation before trying to manage the world. But sadly....if we back out now Russia will attempt to manage the world and the resources we need. We need someone with some experience in foreign relations and national defense.

Here's some of Obama's creds....

Source:
http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Does+...dent%3F?t=anon

Illinois State Senate

"In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases." Link
"
United States Senate

He has continued this inclusive and productive style of work in the U.S. Senate: "In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars are spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

Foreign Policy

Obama's foreign policy experience includes graduating from Columbia University with a degree in political science with an emphasis on international relations. In the U.S. Senate Obama is unique among Senators in that he serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues including the Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs committees and is the Chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations which is responsible fore U.S. relations with European countries, the European Union, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (i.e., NATO). When comparing Obama's foreign policy experience with other candidates for President you have Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Democrat Hillary Clinton who is a member of the Armed Services Committee and John McCain who is the Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee yet there is no Senator except for Barack Obama who serves on three of the four committees that deal with foreign policy.

Foreign Relations Committee

Obama service on the Foreign Relations committee has placed him in an unique position in that he is the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Relations and serves on the Subcommittees on African Affairs; East Asia and Pacific Affairs; and International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection. This cross-section of subcommittees places Obama in a unique position of having knowledge about Asian, African and European issues. The only other member of the Foreign Relations committee who is running for President is Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the full Foreign Relations Committee yet unlike Obama he does not serve on any of the other foreign policy committees and his experience is limited to foreign policy issues covered by the Foreign Relations Committee.

Obama has also traveled extensively in his capacity as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in Africa. Obama has also co-sponsored the "Lugar-Obama Act" with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time. This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. This legislation came out of Obama's trip with Senator Richard Lugar to Russia, the Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

Obama has also sponsored legislation such as the "Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act" which was signed into law by President Bush on December 22, 2006. Obama has co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. His extensive foreign policy experience exceeds that of every other Presidential candidate including his trips abroad in the performance of his official duties as a member of committees dealing with foreign relation issues.

While some have criticized Obama's foreign travel claiming that he is the most traveled freshman Senator in doing so they often fail to mention that as a result of his extensive trips abroad is legislation such as the Lugar-Obama Act instead preferring to make the political connection between his travels abroad to his run for President yet others will recognize the experience he has gained as a result of his foreign trips and recognize that as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that he is expected to travel extensively and that his travels often were with the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Among the three top freshman who have received attention along with Obama in terms of foreign travel you have Barack Obama who serves on three committees dealing with foreign policy, Republican Richard Burr who serves on the Select Committee on Intelligence and Republican Tom Coburn who serves on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and it must be noted that such travel was part of an official delegation and was approved and paid for by the Senate.

Veterans' Affairs Committee

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars."

I think McCain's choice illustrates his lack of judgment and his brazen panderous stupidity.

[Baron1710]

Ooooo. More personal insults. I wonder if you can get more personally insulting? Type away. Call me a communist, baby killer, homosexual lover, leftist socialist, or anything else you can think of. Feel free....I'm right here.

If you consider it an insult perhaps you should change your views???

[Aquila]

Well thanks I guess LOL... However one of my best friends was in the legislature and he begged me often to get involved in politics and just not my thing. I do love the military and do love working with DOD however right now my time and thing is my kids and love being a MOM....

One day I may go back to some of the old stuff but I still couldnt live in public office... too much nosey people

Too bad.

I think the best people no better than to even touch the office.

[Esther]

I agree. I think we do need to manage our nation before trying to manage the world. But sadly....if we back out now Russia will attempt to manage the world and the resources we need. We need someone with some experience in foreign relations and national defense.

Here's some of Obama's creds....



I think McCain's choice illustrates his lack of judgment and his brazen panderous stupidity.

I wouldn't vote for Obama if he was the only one on the ticket!

Personally I don't want to live in a communist country and anyone that thinks he is not a socialist is nuts, IMO!:crazy

[Aquila]

I wouldn't vote for Obama if he was the only one on the ticket!

Personally I don't want to live in a communist country and anyone that thinks he is not a socialist is nuts, IMO!:crazy

You wouldn't know a Communist if you saw one. lol

[Aquila]

If you consider it an insult perhaps you should change your views???

Baron, get a life dude. You be the Republican pawn....I'll be the radical independent willing to call them on their stupidity. I assure you, I'm not pleased with the Democrats either.

[Esther]

You wouldn't know a Communist if you saw one. lol

Don't delude yourself. lol

[Sister Alvear]

I know one when I see one...

[Baron1710]

Baron, get a life dude. You be the Republican pawn....I'll be the radical independent willing to call them on their stupidity. I assure you, I'm not pleased with the Democrats either.

Sounds like a leftest college prof to me.

[Ferd]

Baron, get a life dude. You be the Republican pawn....I'll be the radical independent willing to call them on their stupidity. I assure you, I'm not pleased with the Democrats either.

you remind me of Keith Oberman

[TRFrance]

Yep, I have a history before getting my heart right. And I can tell you, McCain's a womanizing dolt.

I think McCain's choice illustrates his lack of judgment and his brazen panderous stupidity.

AG....wish you were running. You'd make a better choice than the creeps up there right now.

Ooooo. More personal insults. I wonder if you can get more personally insulting? Type away. Call me a communist, baby killer, homosexual lover, leftist socialist, or anything else you can think of. Feel free....I'm right here.
Aquila, I'm going to speak plainly here: you're such a hypocrite. You speak harshly and use personal insults in referring to other people... you're one of the worst name-callers on this forum, but you're so sensitive about what you see as "personal insults" toward you??
Get a grip, dude.
And grow up.

[Baron1710]

you remind me of Keith Oberman

The worst part about football season is him back on sports...yuk.

[Ferd]

Ferd, can you give us the entire statement from Obama on the issue instead of quoting just seven words of it out of it's entire context?

dude, this was the context. it has been played repeatedly on TV.

[Ferd]

The worst part about football season is him back on sports...yuk.

one of the worst parts of breathing is knowing he does too.

[Ferd]

Just a side note (and unrelated to anything in particular in this thread)

a crybaby alert is hereby in effect, it is possible that posts will be reported as resident crybabies can dish but cannot take...

[Baron1710]

Just a side note (and unrelated to anything in particular in this thread)

a crybaby alert is hereby in effect, it is possible that posts will be reported as resident crybabies can dish but cannot take...

:bigbaby:bigbaby:bigbaby

[Ferd]

:bigbaby:bigbaby:bigbaby

guess somebody ought to go eat worms.

[Baron1710]

guess somebody ought to go eat worms.

And to think that use of the old phrase about slapping some sense into someone set him off.

[TRFrance]

And to think that use of the old phrase about slapping some sense into someone set him off.

Exactly.
Everyone knows that's just a figure of speech.

For him to claim you were threatening physical violence against him was one of the dumbest things I've seen around here.

[Tim Rutledge]

That's a vile, accusatory, personal attack.

We really have no idea what they'd do until they face the situation. But I have a feeling their daughters are trained well enough not to get into such a situation.

It's a fact attack!

Hussein Obama is a dirt bag.

[1Corinth2v4]

Fox News just ran a "breaking news" report that Governor Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and may be marrying the father of her baby.

:coffee2

Great!


Have you told anyone about Jesus today?

[A_PoMo]

Wonder how this is play w/the fundamentalist moralists in the GOP?

[Michael Phelps]

Wonder how this is play w/the fundamentalist moralists in the GOP?

There is already a thread started on this ..........

[Light]

Fox News just ran a "breaking news" report that Governor Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and may be marrying the father of her baby.

:coffee2

Remember every one it was FOX TELL IT THE REPUBLICAN WAY that broke the story ON TV. The liberal media only mentioned it AFTER FOX. ha ha LOL

[TRFrance]

Remember every one it was FOX TELL IT THE REPUBLICAN WAY that broke the story ON TV. The liberal media only mentioned it AFTER FOX. ha ha LOL
"ha ha LOL"??

1...What's so funny?

2... Fox didnt "break the story". The Palin family issued a statement to the news media on this.
Perhaps the original poster of this thread saw it first on Fox, but the announcement was issued by the McCain campaign to all of the news media at the same time.

[TRFrance]

Great!

Have you told anyone about Jesus today?
What are you trying to imply?
... that until we speak to someone about Jesus on a particular day, we don't have the right to speak on a current news topic?

[OP_Carl]

Them's some real nice family values. Was it McCain's? lol

REAL classy. :nah



NOT!!!! :snapout

[Baron1710]

REAL classy. :nah



NOT!!!! :snapout

Careful, he will think you want to beat him up.

[A_PoMo]

that's weird, i posted a thread about this subject and it's gone. did i get censored for some reason?

oberman rox! but not as much as mathews or colbert.

it's interesting to see some conservative gop's downplaying this, i'm sure there'd be a serious flame war going on if it palin was the dem vp pick. the duplicity is....duplicious. :)

[rgcraig]

that's weird, i posted a thread about this subject and it's gone. did i get censored for some reason?

oberman rox! but not as much as mathews or colbert.

it's interesting to see some conservative gop's downplaying this, i'm sure there'd be a serious flame war going on if it palin was the dem vp pick. the duplicity is....duplicious. :)

We merged it with this thread.

[Sam]

S. Palin was pregnant when she got married too.

A girl in a Pentecostal church already pregnant when she got married?

[Sam]

It's a fact attack!

Hussein Obama is a dirt bag.

and that's a very kind description of him.

[rgcraig]

A girl in a Pentecostal church already pregnant when she got married?

It was an assumption - not a fact.

[OP_Carl]

Careful, he will think you want to beat him up.

Yeah, I didn't realize what a bruhaha had conflagrated after that remark. There was something else I wanted to reply to, but I couldn't find it again.

[tstew]

If Hussein Obama's daughter became pregnant, we'd never know. They'd kill it.
Obama is a dirt bag. (that was free).
Where's Rico??

Ahhh, straight out of the trusty old playbook...when in doubt, play the abortion card. Your reaction just underscores my point about partisanship leading to the inability to be objective. For any party to introduce a VP candidate then have their first headline be about their pregnant 17 year old is terrible.
Incidentally, I find it rather amusing that you didn't bother to answer my direct question in the other thread about "pro-life" candidates

[Light]

and that's a very kind description of him.

All this time I thought you claimed to be a christian??????Where is the love that you talk about???? I guess that love is just for those that you care for?????

[PastorD]

Haven't read but a couple pages but just think . . .

had Bristol chose to abort she would be the hero of the liberals.

[TRFrance]

For any party to introduce a VP candidate then have their first headline be about their pregnant 17 year old is terrible.

No doubt about that. I think they should have at least tried to wait till after the Republican Convention, and tried to get a few more days of positive publicity, post-convention "bounce", etc. before dropping this.

But to drop this news just 3 days after first introducing her to the country just puts a big question mark over her head (...as in: "what more don't we know about this person?")

I think for now, they'd be better off keeping the daughter out of the public eye till after the election.

[OP_Carl]

All this time I thought you claimed to be a christian??????Where is the love that you talk about???? I guess that love is just for those that you care for?????

dirtbag is a kinder, gentler term than racist or communist.

I dare you to attempt to prove that Obama is neither of those.

Communists believe lying is acceptable to further their agenda. How do you feel about that?

[OP_Carl]

No doubt about that. I think they should have at least tried to wait till after the Republican Convention, and tried to get a few more days of positive publicity, post-convention "bounce", etc. before dropping this.

But to drop this news just 3 days after first introducing her to the country just puts a big question mark over her head (...as in: "what more don't we know about this person?")

Was this story also news in Alaska? Or did Alaskans already know?

[rgcraig]

Was this story also news in Alaska? Or did Alaskans already know?

I haven't heard, but I assumed it's probably why it was handled like it was. I'm sure she hasn't been able to hide being pregnant since she was five months.

[TRFrance]

dirtbag is a kinder, gentler term than racist or communist.

I dare you to attempt to prove that Obama is neither of those.

Communists believe lying is acceptable to further their agenda. How do you feel about that?
There is nothing kind or gentle about the word by any means.

Dirtbag is a disgusting epithet that I don't believe should be uttered by any Christian.

Somehow, I cant see Jesus or the apostle Paul calling anyone a dirtbag.

[TRFrance]

Was this story also news in Alaska? Or did Alaskans already know?

Yes, they knew.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/09/01/2008-09-01_bristol_palins_pregnancy_was_an_open_sec.html

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

[Tim Rutledge]

There is nothing kind or gentle about the word by any means.

Dirtbag is a disgusting epithet that I don't believe should be uttered by any Christian.

Somehow, I cant see Jesus or the apostle Paul calling anyone a dirtbag.

Pray for me. Hussein O. is a double dog dirt bag.

[OP_Carl]

Pray for me. Hussein O. is a double dog dirt bag.

. . . with maggots on top! :killinme :ursofunny :laffatu :lol :toofunny :crazy:tease

:toofunny



Why don't you tell us how you really feel????? :dunno

:winkgrin

[TRFrance]

Pray for me. Hussein O. is a double dog dirt bag.
Tim, the next time you come on this forum beating the drum about "holiness" ... just consider that posts like these really don't enhance your credibility at all.

[Tim Rutledge]

. . . with maggots on top! :killinme :ursofunny :laffatu :lol :toofunny :crazy:tease

:toofunny



Why don't you tell us how you really feel????? :dunno

:winkgrin

:ursofunny
Now lets not be cruel. :ursofunny

[Aquila]

Aquila, I'm going to speak plainly here: you're such a hypocrite. You speak harshly and use personal insults in referring to other people... you're one of the worst name-callers on this forum, but you're so sensitive about what you see as "personal insults" toward you??
Get a grip, dude.
And grow up.

Bro. Obama's been called a Muslim, a baby killer, scum, and worse...very personal statements. That means anyone can say anything about McCain too. But here's the deal....when some one wants to take it personal, let's not lie about it....it's called going personal.

[Tim Rutledge]

Tim, the next time you come on this forum beating the drum about "holiness" ... just consider that posts like the one you just made don't really enhance your credibility at all.

I have absolutley no apprehension calling Hussein O. what he is. I apologize to a degree if the terminology offends you. I did not mean to offend. Lets just call him, a queer loving baby killer. If that offends you. You'll get over it. And I'm not offended if you put me on ignore.

[MissBrattified]

That's not exactly what he said. The point was that he'd much rather she have a choice than be forced by the government to have a baby.

That IS exactly what he said. He may have meant something slightly different, as you are inferring, but he did say:

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

In context, it sounds more like he doesn't want to see them bearing the consequences of their actions, if they don't have to. Or, at least, not forced by the government to bear those consequences.

My disagreement with him, even using your spin on his comments, would be twofold:

First, consequences are not always a bad thing, and we don't compound bad choices by adding more bad choices (murder). It is wrong to make immoral choices in order to avoid the consequences of previous bad behavior. (Obviously immoral choices are always immoral, but many liberals act as if there are certain circumstances in which it is excusable.) I do NOT want to teach my children to avoid the consequences of their bad behavior, but rather to FACE the consequences. So I disagree with him as a parent.

Secondly, the government SHOULD deny citizens the right or choice to commit criminal acts, such as murder. Which means...I disagree with Mr. Obama's stance on government involvement.

[OP_Carl]

Tim, the next time you come on this forum beating the drum about "holiness" ... just consider that posts like these really don't enhance your credibility at all.

Have you also traded influence for sweetheart real estate deals with shady characters, or are you just another communist sympathizer? :huh :dunno

Where's the beef? Is Obama or is he not trying to convince America that he's something that he's not?

[Aquila]

dude, this was the context. it has been played repeatedly on TV.

I want the paragraph where he said the statement so I can conclude if what you're saying is true. I bet you don't even know what the entire statement was about. Remember, the context when dealing with abortion for pro choice people is "government involvement". To have the government force a woman to give birth is something most prochoice people reject. That doesn't mean they unequivocally support abortion in every instance. Must pro choice people see this as government punishing women by forcing them to give birth by government edict. It doesn't mean that pregnancy or giving birth is a punishment. It's tied to governmental penalties and controls over an individual and the most intimate and difficult choices they may ever make.

So...I would just appreciate knowing what his entire statement was and the context of the question and/or discussion.

[Aquila]

Just a side note (and unrelated to anything in particular in this thread)

a crybaby alert is hereby in effect, it is possible that posts will be reported as resident crybabies can dish but cannot take...

No, fear. I've not reported anyone. When I report though...I'll typically warn.

[Aquila]

It's a fact attack!

Hussein Obama is a dirt bag.

So's McCain. They're all dirt bags. At least Obama has the human decency to stay with his wife and kids. McCain is a scum bag that abandoned his FAMILY. Can't do that bro. I know Obama's a liberal and I disagree with him on some things....but he's faithful to family. I respect that far more than McCain's dead beat example of a husband and father. And frankly, he's admitted that it was his greatest moral failure. And McCain picking Mrs. Pretty Pentecostal is the most blatant pander on earth.

I think, judging by his track record, that he just enjoys having power over women half his age.

[MissBrattified]

Great!


Have you told anyone about Jesus today?

????????

What on earth kind of question is that? :crazy

[MissBrattified]

"ha ha LOL"??

1...What's so funny?

2... Fox didnt "break the story". The Palin family issued a statement to the news media on this.
Perhaps the original poster of this thread saw it first on Fox, but the announcement was issued by the McCain campaign to all of the news media at the same time.

Thank you.

I didn't say that Fox "broke the story." I said that Fox ran a "breaking news report." Big difference. LOL!!!! The Palin family/McCain campaign broke the story.

[OP_Carl]

That IS exactly what he said. He may have meant something slightly different, as you are inferring, but he did say:

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

In context, it sounds more like he doesn't want to see them bearing the consequences of their actions, if they don't have to. Or, at least, not forced by the government to bear those consequences.

My disagreement with him, even using your spin on his comments, would be twofold:

First, consequences are not always a bad thing, and we don't compound bad choices by adding more bad choices (murder). It is wrong to make immoral choices in order to avoid the consequences of previous bad behavior. (Obviously immoral choices are always immoral, but many liberals act as if there are certain circumstances in which it is excusable.) I do NOT want to teach my children to avoid the consequences of their bad behavior, but rather to FACE the consequences. So I disagree with him as a parent.

Secondly, the government SHOULD deny citizens the right or choice to commit criminal acts, such as murder. Which means...I disagree with Mr. Obama's stance on government involvement.

You, madam, are simply awesome!

Frankly, Obama's fight to prevent abortion clinics from being required to provide care for aborted babies that were inadvertently born alive tells me all I need to know about him. If Obama believes babies are a punishment, does he believe it is all right for men to choose abortions? Would Obama have indicted Scott Peterson?

It is one thing to ignore this issue.

It is another to jump right in there and fight and support the wholesale slaughter of the innocent.

I'll say it again: dirtbag is a very kind term.

[Aquila]

I think McCain is just like Bush & Co. He's just out to manipulate mindless religionists who will buy his lies and vote for him. Then he'll ignore all the issues that matter to us and help his buddies get rich while our families languish begging and pleading for jobs and health care.

I don't trust Obama much more than I trust McCain....but I think his judgment in his VP pick illustrates a desire to strengthen his office and protect the US in time of crisis. McCain's choice is stupid. There are far more Republicans that would have made better choices.

[Aquila]

And if this were one of Obama's daughters....this would be a witch hunt and every one of you know it.

[MissBrattified]

You, madam, are simply awesome!

Frankly, Obama's fight to prevent abortion clinics from being required to provide care for aborted babies that were inadvertently born alive tells me all I need to know about him. If Obama believes babies are a punishment, does he believe it is all right for men to choose abortions? Would Obama have indicted Scott Peterson?

I agree. That alone is enough to make anyone (except Aquila, apparently) sick to their stomach. It is a grievously immoral mindset and severe lack of character.

[MissBrattified]

I think McCain is just like Bush & Co. He's just out to manipulate mindless religionists who will buy his lies and vote for him. Then he'll ignore all the issues that matter to us and help his buddies get rich while our families languish begging and pleading for jobs and health care.

I can't believe you make statements like the one above, and then complain about people insulting you. It really baffles me.

[Tim Rutledge]

So's McCain. They're all dirt bags. At least Obama has the human decency to stay with his wife and kids. McCain is a scum bag that abandoned his FAMILY. Can't do that bro. I know Obama's a liberal and I disagree with him on some things....but he's faithful to family. I respect that far more than McCain's dead beat example of a husband and father. And frankly, he's admitted that it was his greatest moral failure. And McCain picking Mrs. Pretty Pentecostal is the most blatant pander on earth.

I think, judging by his track record, that he just enjoys having power over women half his age.

I realize they are both dirt/scum bags. My only major concern, honestly, is who will be appointing the next Supreme Court Justices.

Adultery is real bad. Abortion is.. to me.. much worse.

Hussein O. and McCain are both dirt bags, and I know it sounds simple.... But....One of these do not support killing babies which are made in the image of our Lord.

If Hussein O. is elected, it will probably be what America deserves. I have have VERY VERY HUGE feelings against abortion. And anyone who can vote for an anti-lifer is not my kind of folk. So.... abortion (Hussein O.) supporters from here on out will probably be on my ignore list.

[TRFrance]

I can't believe you make statements like the one above, and then complain about people insulting you. It really baffles me.
He refers to people as dirtbags, mindless religionists, scumbags, etc. but he's sensitive to people making "personal insults" toward him.

Sometimes I wonder what the Lord thinks when he sees the stuff some of his children post on forums such as this.

I think we'd all do well to keep in mind Matthew 12:36:
"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned," (Matt. 12:36).

[chaotic_resolve]

So much for pro-abstinence only education. That worked out well ...

:aaa

Unfortunately this issue can't be touched by the Obama campaign without McCain's imps crying foul. However, if the roles were reversed and a Democratic candidate's daughter was knocked up, you can be sure Rush, Hannity and the rest of the right-sided media would be making an issue of this.

[Tim Rutledge]

He refers to people as dirtbags, mindless religionists, scumbags, etc. but he's sensitive to people making "personal insults" toward him.

Sometimes I wonder what the Lord thinks when he sees the stuff some of his children post on forums such as this.

I think we'd all do well to keep in mind Matthew 12:36:
"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned," (Matt. 12:36).


Jesus called a women a dog. I wonder if she had a lower morals then Hussein.

[Hoovie]

So much for pro-abstinence only education. That worked out well ...

:aaa

I am not following you... Are you saying pregnancy incidence is higher with "pro-abstinence only" education?

[chaotic_resolve]

Jesus called a women a dog. I wonder if she had a lower morals then Hussein.

Since when did people start getting referred to by their middle name? :crazy

Of course, I'm being sarcastic. I know it's because the nuts who use "Hussein" in referring to Obama hope people are dumb enough to think Barack HUSSEIN Obama = Sadaam Hussein. Or simply Obama = evil dictator.

[soldoutochrist]

I realize they are both dirt/scum bags. My only major concern, honestly, is who will be appointing the next Supreme Court Justices.

Adultery is real bad. Abortion is.. to me.. much worse.

Hussein O. and McCain are both dirt bags, and I know it sounds simple.... But....One of these do not support killing babies which are made in the image of our Lord.

If Hussein O. is elected, it will probably be what America deserves. I have have VERY VERY HUGE feelings against abortion. And anyone who can vote for an anti-lifer is not my kind of folk. So.... abortion (Hussein O.) supporters from here on out will probably be on my ignore list.


I'm just curious as to why you refer to Obama as Hussein O., but not McCain as Sidney M.? It's really perplexing to me.

[Tim Rutledge]

So much for pro-abstinence only education. That worked out well ...

:aaa

Unfortunately this issue can't be touched by the Obama campaign without McCain's imps crying foul. However, if the roles were reversed and a Democratic candidate's daughter was knocked up, you can be sure Rush, Hannity and the rest of the right-sided media would be making an issue of this.

Your probably right.

[chaotic_resolve]

I am not following you... Are you saying pregnancy incidence is higher with "pro-abstinence only" education?
First, I'm not against abstinence education ... but I am against abstinence only. Doesn't work. Stats have proven pregnancies out of wedlock have risen since Bush's push for abstinence only education.

Abstinence ONLY education does nothing to prevent pregnancy should failure happen, which is why most become pregnant because they don't know or practice safe sex.

For Palin, it's got to be an embarrassment that part of your political message has been severely undermined by your teenage daughter. I mean, how can you expect others to listen to it, if you can't control your own family.

[WyoPastor]

So much for pro-abstinence only education. That worked out well ...


I must be missing something. Do we know she had abstinence only education?

[OnTheFritz]

I really love "straight talkers" who are just "direct" with "no nonsense" - they just "tell it like it is"....

I also like to describe them as "poor communicators with a small vocabulary and no tact." Often uneducated with pent up emotional issues that cause them to be so abrasive. They have to resort to name calling because their grasp of the English language doesn't allow them to make intelligent points.

What a joke.

[Tim Rutledge]

First, I'm not against abstinence education ... but I am against abstinence only. Doesn't work. Stats have proven pregnancies out of wedlock have risen since Bush's push for abstinence only education.

Abstinence ONLY education does nothing to prevent pregnancy should failure happen, which is why most become pregnant because they don't know or practice safe sex.

For Palin, it's got to be an embarrassment that part of your political message has been severely undermined by your teenage daughter. I mean, how can you expect others to listen to it, if you can't control your own family.

When you get a 17 yr. old let me know how that goes for ya. :tease

Eli had 2 sons that were perverts. He was still Gods Man.

[MissBrattified]

When you get a 17 yr. old let me know how that goes for ya. :tease

Eli had 2 sons that were perverts. He was still Gods Man.

Yes...but he got into trouble with God for not doing something about his sons' perversion, as it related to the house of God.

[Tim Rutledge]

Yes...but he got into trouble with God for not doing something about his sons' perversion, as it related to the house of God.

True. But the all knowing God still "elected" him.

[Tim Rutledge]

I really love "straight talkers" who are just "direct" with "no nonsense" - they just "tell it like it is"....

I also like to describe them as "poor communicators with a small vocabulary and no tact." Often uneducated with pent up emotional issues that cause them to be so abrasive. They have to resort to name calling because their grasp of the English language doesn't allow them to make intelligent points.

What a joke.

:ursofunny

[HappyTown]

I want state I don't support killing babies (abortion).

Abortion is nothing new, it will be business as usually no matter who voted in! Bush along with other men who've been elected throughout history have voiced the same promises !

You think by now we as Christian would get it and wise up, we get so caught up in this one issues (abortion) we tend to forget there are other issues on the table and overlook some things that will put us in worst shape then we are now as a nation.

They ( those in command ) know it! So they dance that one issues in our face hoping will overlook their true agenda! Once again we all buy into this so called no more abortion agenda , we need to realized majority rules!

And Government is not godly, never was, nor will be! Nor do they really care what you or I think, we are small fish in comparison to the groups they are really focused on!


I'll ready to be fire on...Aim fire....:aaa

[Tim Rutledge]

I want state I don't support killing babies (abortion).

Abortion is nothing new, it will be business as usually no matter who voted in! Bush along with other men who've been elected throughout history have voiced the same promises !

You think by now we as Christian would get it and wise up, we get so caught up in this one issues (abortion) we tend to forget there are other issues on the table and overlook some things that will put us in worst shape then we are now as a nation.

They ( those in command ) know it! So they dance that one issues in our face hoping will overlook their true agenda! Once again we all buy into this so called no more abortion agenda , we need to realized majority rules!

And Government is not godly, never was, nor will be! Nor do they really care what you or I think, we are small fish in comparison to the groups they are really focused on!


I'll ready to be fire on...Aim fire....:aaa


I can of course see where your coming from. And I realize it makes us look "simple" to a degree, focusing on the abortion issue. Babies out weigh any other issue by.... so much.... that it's in another category.

I know politicians are liars..but my conscience would never let me vote for someone who supports abortion. I do not care what they say about anything else. There is a special place in hell for baby killers, and people who support (vote) for them. I know thats harsh.. but ohh well.

If the right person gets in the Whitehouse.. I really believe in 2-10 yrs. Roe vs. Wade could be overturned. I know it sounds far fetched.. but we need to pray against abortion. God cannot truly bless this country otherwise.

[HappyTown]

I can of course see where your coming from. And I realize it makes us look "simple" to a degree, focusing on the abortion issue. Babies out weigh any other issue by.... so much.... that it's in another category.

I know politicians are liars..but my conscience would never let me vote for someone who supports abortion. I do not care what they say about anything else. There is a special place in hell for baby killers, and people who support (vote) for them. I know thats harsh.. but ohh well.

If the right person gets in the Whitehouse.. I really believe in 2-10 yrs. Roe vs. Wade could be overturned. I know it sounds far fetched.. but we need to pray against abortion. God cannot truly bless this country otherwise.

This may be my first, I'm thinking about not voting. I can't pick either candidate! My feeling is this, once again "we the people have no real choice", there both evil!

[Tim Rutledge]

This may be my first, I'm thinking about not voting. I can't pick either candidate! My feeling is this, once again "we the people have no real choice", there both evil!

What matters is, who will be appointing the next Supreme Court Justices!! That is a MAJOR Issue!!

[TRFrance]

Politico.com has an interesting take on the issue.
New Palin Details May Help, Not Hurt (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13062.html)

ST. PAUL, Minn. (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=St.+Paul+%28Minnesota%29) — Fishing permit violations. A blue-collar husband who racked up a DUI citation as a 22-year-old. An unmarried teenage daughter who is pregnant and a nasty child custody battle involving a family member.

All of this, to one degree or another, has surfaced in recent days as a result of efforts to discredit or undermine Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. But these revelations may have the opposite effect: In one sense, they could reinforce how remarkably unremarkable she is.

So far — and it is hard to tell what the future may hold for Palin’s unexpected national candidacy — the travails of the Palin family probably seem awfully familiar to many average Americans. It is this averageness that makes her such a politically promising running mate for John McCain — and such a dangerous opponent for Democrats. Many voters will find it easy to identify with her family’s struggles — a significant advantage in an election where the voting calculus is so unusually and intensely personal.

FULL STORY HERE:http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13062.html

[StillStanding]

And if this were one of Obama's daughters....this would be a witch hunt and every one of you know it.
Nobody will ever know should Obama's daughters end up pregnant before marriage. They'll have an abortion before it leaks out! :eek:

[crakjak]

Obama said if his daughter made a mistake he would want her to have an abortion so as not to be penalized with a baby.

It is not a good situation, however many of us have been touched close to home with this type situation. How they handle this is a better sample of their character than the fact that it happened. My niece married her child's father and though some rough times, they are following after the Lord.

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[MikeinAR]

My point was that it appears that partisanship instinctively tries to make us spin things in a positive direction and not be objective. I cannot see any conservative saying that Obama's high school daughter popping up pregnant would be a positive as it would make people relate to him. This forum would have exploded with people talking about his parenting, his family, his values, the example his family sets, etc...
I am starting to hate partisanship. I am consider myself neither Democrat or Republican because I am starting to see how partisanship is just a way for politicians to play both sides against the middle...the "middle" being America, her culture, people, ideals, best interests, sovereignty, future, etc...

Tstew, as usual, nails it on the head exactly. Look, I feel for the young lady and am glad she's made the right decision to keep the child and marry the young man. Obama was clear he wasn't interested in playing politics in the matter. McCain brought this on himself by picking an unvetted individual whom he'd met twice in his life to become his Vice President at 72 years old.

That said, when these type of issues come up on the Republican side it's always, "oh this is family business and they need to be left alone." It was the same way when the "family values" candidate David Vitter (R) of Louisiana was caught hanging out with prostitutues. It was a family matter and how dare anyone ask questions about it or get to the bottom of it. The poor fella was trying to take care of his family and work through a "family" issue.

When it's a Dem, like say Bill Clinton, well it's time to turn the hounds loose and let them subpeona and ajudicate to the fullest extent and ruin people. Conservative talk radio will burn them at the stake and ask questions later. It's time a lot of these Repubs made up their minds on how they feel about these types of issues and stop the flip flopping.

[OP_Carl]

I think McCain is just like Bush & Co. He's just out to manipulate mindless religionists who will buy his lies and vote for him. Then he'll ignore all the issues that matter to us and help his buddies get rich while our families languish begging and pleading for jobs and health care.

I think this statement vividly highlights the gap in thought processes.

[OP_Carl]

When you get a 17 yr. old let me know how that goes for ya. :tease

Eli had 2 sons that were perverts. He was still Gods Man.

I don't think you really want to go Old Testament on this topic. The law made provision for parents to request and be granted the stoning death of their rebellious children. Curiously, not one instance of the invocation of this law is ever recorded . . . . perhaps we people don't take rebellion as seriously as God does?

[OP_Carl]

Tstew, as usual, nails it on the head exactly. Look, I feel for the young lady and am glad she's made the right decision to keep the child and marry the young man. Obama was clear he wasn't interested in playing politics in the matter. McCain brought this on himself by picking an unvetted individual whom he'd met twice in his life to become his Vice President at 72 years old. This teen pregnancy was not a surprise to McCain, nor to Alaskans.

That said, when these type of issues come up on the Republican side it's always, "oh this is family business and they need to be left alone." It was the same way when the "family values" candidate David Vitter (R) of Louisiana was caught hanging out with prostitutues. It was a family matter and how dare anyone ask questions about it or get to the bottom of it. The poor fella was trying to take care of his family and work through a "family" issue. I think you'll find that the vast majority of the time a Republican has a major moral failing, that BOTH Democrats AND Republicans push for a resignation. When it is a Democrat that has been caught in a major moral failing, the Democrats invoke party loyalty far more frequently. They also like to point out that such behavior is only hypocritical for people, such as Republicans, who publicly denounce it. All of a sudden hypocrisy is a larger sin than the original issue.

When it's a Dem, like say Bill Clinton, well it's time to turn the hounds loose and let them subpeona and ajudicate to the fullest extent and ruin people. Conservative talk radio will burn them at the stake and ask questions later.Yeah, good old Bill Clinton. The Dems marched in lockstep with him through ALL of that. They refused to believe that it was true, or that it was a problem, or that it was indicative of a problem . . . they were blindly partisan. The media, while reporting some of it, certainly did NOT pursue the stories of the many women who came forward and said things were done to them against their wishes. It took "conservative talk radio" to bring these stories out.

The funniest thing to watch this year has been the media awakening to how sleazy the Clintons really are, SIXTEEN YEARS after the fact, and deciding that they don't like it so much now that there's an alternative. :toofunny Where WERE you people in 1992????? :ranting

It's time a lot of these Repubs made up their minds on how they feel about these types of issues and stop the flip flopping. It's good to bear in mind that there are three legs to the Republican party, and the strong moral conviction crowd is only a third of the whole. Plus there is a fun new sub-category labeled 'RINO' - Republican In Name Only - and these are legislators who vote (and act?) like Democrats most of the time in spite of having registered as Republicans.

[TRFrance]

It's funny to see people whining and groaning about "partisanship" on the part of conservatives, but they don't complain about partisanship by liberals.

[Baron1710]

For those that don't think there is a difference between Obama and McCain on abortion I wish you could hear the ad Obama is playing in DC and MD, I tried to find it online but it doesn't show up anywhere and this was paid for by Obama. He is talking about how McCain will take women back to pre-Roe v. Wade and that he just doesn't get it. How he will support a constitutional amendment banning abortion, (REMEMBER THIS IS OBAMA'S AD NOT MCCAIN'S) and women will have no choice.

It amazes me that the left gets it but many Christians still don't.

[Neck]

One week ago, she wouldn't have had to worry about it.

You can bet that as a Repiblican Gov she would still would have had to deal with it...

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by crakjak
Obama said if his daughter made a mistake he would want her to have an abortion so as not to be penalized with a baby.

It is not a good situation, however many of us have been touched close to home with this type situation. How they handle this is a better sample of their character than the fact that it happened. My niece married her child's father and though some rough times, they are following after the Lord.
To me, this shows a narcissistic view of abortion. Killing a baby is OK if it means that one is being inconvenienced. Somehow, I believe that Obama would make this issue (if it were to come up) about HIM!

Bravo to the Palin family for looking at the consequences straight in the face and making the right decision!

[StillStanding]

I read a blog that asked this question:

Would the liberals come to the McCain/Palin ticket if Palin's daughter decided to have an abortion? Wouldn't that make them giddy with happiness?

[tstew]

It's funny to see people whining and groaning about "partisanship" on the part of conservatives, but they don't complain about partisanship by liberals.

TR, I'm not sure if that was directed at me since I do talk about partisanship quite a bit (though I generally don't whine or groan about anything)...but just in case let me reiterate what I have said several times. I am very vocal about partisanship amongst Liberals as well. I am very outspoken about how wrong it is to have the African-American community blindly vote Democrat without usnig their vote to affect any substantive change. I believe that both parties use partisanship to play both sides against the middle.

[DividedThigh]

i think the libs and dems need to mind there own business and leave the kids alone, if it was my kid that is what i would tell them, let them try to touch obamas kids and hell would break loose, dt

[ManOfWord]

Here's an interesting thought:

There is not such thing as a "convenient" baby! Babies are inconvenient from the time of their conception! They get more "inconvenient" as they grow older. Their "inconvenience" doesn't change whether they are planned or not. Lives drastically change from the time of conception.

I love every one of my sons to "death" but none of them were convenient and they still aren't.

Abortion has NOTHING whatsoever to do with inconvenience and has everything to do with preference. :D

[DividedThigh]

Here's an interesting thought:

There is not such thing as a "convenient" baby! Babies are inconvenient from the time of their conception! They get more "inconvenient" as they grow older. Their "inconvenience" doesn't change whether they are planned or not. Lives drastically change from the time of conception.

I love every one of my sons to "death" but none of them were convenient and they still aren't.

Abortion has NOTHING whatsoever to do with inconvenience and has everything to do with preference. :D

true dat, mow, lol

[soldoutochrist]

I'm just curious as to why you refer to Obama as Hussein O., but not McCain as Sidney M.? It's really perplexing to me.

Still waiting for a response...

[Ferd]

Still waiting for a response...

because the name points out certain relevent ties to things many americans dont want near the white house...


next question.

[Sweet Pea]

To take this thread back to the topic of Palin and her daughter....

Who among us as parents have not had our children at some point go against what we have taught them. AND - who among us has not had our children make choices that are wrong.....

1) Yes, this daughter did something that I'm sure her mother wishes she had not done. MANY young people have done the same thing and just have not been "caught". I do not condone pre-marital sex - but in reality, it is no greater sin than drugs, drinking, lying, cheating, stealing etc etc.... Just the consequences are more obvious (consequences of drinking and driving - drug use etc can also be more obvious, but there seems to be more stigma placed upon young people who become pregnant out of wedlock)...

If you are a parent - all you can say - there but for the grace of God goes my child. No matter how much you teach your children about moral values, etc - sometimes they will make the wrong choice!

2) However, having made the wrong choice - and becoming pregnant, this young lady did exhibit the values her mother instilled in her by making the choice to carry this child to term and not abort.

Some may criticize Sarah Palin because her daughter **gasp** had premarital sex and horror of horrors - she "got caught" - became pregnant.... HOWEVER, I believe that this is an example of having instilled in her children the values of the sanctity of life and that two wrongs don't make a right.

JMHO -

[Tim Rutledge]

Still waiting for a response...

You must be easily perplexed. Imagine why I might use his middle name.

Your "worse" assumptions are probably true.

[Ferd]

speaking of this topic, didnt a CNN reporter get suspended earlier this year for suggesting that Mrs. Clinton was pimping her daughter by having her run around the country campaigning for her?

seems like a collosal double standard that that guy would get suspended for attacking the child of a candidate but the Palin situation is now so important and relevent.

[CC1]

You must be easily perplexed. Imagine why I might use his middle name.

Your "worse" assumptions are probably true.

LOL!!! I find it amusing you are supposed to justify using a person's given middle name.

I will tell anybody and everybody that when I use "Barak Hussein Obama" I do it because that is his name. The flipside of the question you are asked is "why NOt use his legal, given name?".

[DividedThigh]

barrack hussein obama, live with it, lol, dt

[DividedThigh]

i agree ferd all the idiots attacking governor palins daughter should be drawn and quartered, lol, dt

[Ferd]

i agree ferd all the idiots attacking governor palins daughter should be drawn and quartered, lol, dt

lets force them to vote for her first.

[tstew]

i agree ferd all the idiots attacking governor palins daughter should be drawn and quartered, lol, dt

Personally, I have not seen her daughter being attacked. I may just be missing it.

[Tim Rutledge]

Personally, I have not seen her daughter being attacked. I may just be missing it.

Obama is leaving the issue alone, which is definately wisdom on his part.

[Ferd]

I'm just curious as to why you refer to Obama as Hussein O., but not McCain as Sidney M.? It's really perplexing to me.

On another note, liberals used the name "Dubya" as a derogatory reference to George W. Bush.

The goal there was to paint him as some yahoo texan with no class and less understanding of the world around him.

you didnt see conservitives getting all bent out of shape over it.

[Tim Rutledge]

On another note, liberals used the name "Dubya" as a derogatory reference to George W. Bush.

The goal there was to paint him as some yahoo texan with no class and less understanding of the world around him.

you didnt see conservitives getting all bent out of shape over it.

good point.

[Ferd]

Personally, I have not seen her daughter being attacked. I may just be missing it.

this morning on Fox news, I saw a woman representing the liberal side, suggest that Sarah Palin was a hypocrit for not raising her daughter better, considering her pro-family agenda.

On CNN questions have been raised suggesting that Palin has too many issues at home to be running for VP. (How sexist is that)

there have been many attacks.

this shouldnt even be in the news.

[MikeinAR]

The issue was news because of who her mother is. Unfortunately, it's always been that way with public figures.

That said, the news media should drop it and forget about it since she is only the child of a candidate. The young lady isn't seeking public office and is going through a tough time and needs the support and love of her family. Her pregnancy has NO relevance to the election or politics. It was reported, we all know about it now, and it should be left alone, IMO.

[tstew]

this morning on Fox news, I saw a woman representing the liberal side, suggest that Sarah Palin was a hypocrit for not raising her daughter better, considering her pro-family agenda.

On CNN questions have been raised suggesting that Palin has too many issues at home to be running for VP. (How sexist is that)

there have been many attacks.

this shouldnt even be in the news.

Personally, I have not seen her attacked near as much as Britney Spear's mother was for the pregnancy of Jamie Spears.

[TRFrance]

There's really not a world of difference between a teenager that's having sex and a teenager that gets pregnant -- one is just more careful than the other, that's all. We all know that ANY teenager having sex could get pregnant.

So a lot the LiberaLs criticizing Palin are a bunch of hypocrites, because many of them were having sex as teenagers, and/or they themselves have teenagers now who are having sex. Their own teenage kids are just one mistake away from turning up pregnant, and in a heartbeat they could find themselves in the same boat as the Palin family.

People throwing stones at the Palins on this, while they themselves are living in glass houses, are hypocrites, plain and simple.

[Ferd]

Personally, I have not seen her attacked near as much as Britney Spear's mother was for the pregnancy of Jamie Spears.

that is an odd comment.

[tstew]

that is an odd comment.

What do you mean?

[Tim Rutledge]

There's really not a world of difference between a teenager that's having sex and a teenager that gets pregnant -- one is just more careful than the other, that's all. We all know that ANY teenager having sex could get pregnant.

So a lot the LiberaLs criticizing Palin are a bunch of hypocrites, because many of them were having sex as teenagers, and/or they themselves have teenagers now who are having sex. Their own teenage kids are just one mistake away from turning up pregnant, and in a heartbeat they could find themselves in the same boat as the Palin family.

People throwing stones at the Palins on this, while they themselves are living in glass houses, are hypocrites, plain and simple.

Right.

In a week or 2 this isuue will be all but gone.

[Aquila]

Here's the deal...if we run on faith and family values...our performance in those areas are open to criticism.

Personally, I wonder why it is so many liberal families I know have very well adjusted kids who are doing quite well but so many conservative families I know are about to fall apart at the seams. It's just disturbing.

[Baron1710]

Here's the deal...if we run on faith and family values...our performance in those areas are open to criticism.

Personally, I wonder why it is so many liberal families I know have very well adjusted kids who are doing quite well but so many conservative families I know are about to fall apart at the seams. It's just disturbing.

If you run on a values platform YOUR values are up for criticism not your Senior in high school making a mistake.

Watch out Aquilla you can't seem to handle it in the political threads seems its a bit to rough for ya.

[ReformedDave]

Here's the deal...if we run on faith and family values...our performance in those areas are open to criticism.


Even your savior, Obama, has told everyone to lay off Palin's kid.

[Aquila]

If you run on a values platform YOUR values are up for criticism not your Senior in high school making a mistake.

Watch out Aquilla you can't seem to handle it in the political threads seems its a bit to rough for ya.

I hate what politics does to Christians. I was almost physically attacked in a Bob Evan's parking lot during second run because I questioned his leadership. My "Republican brothers".

Dont get me wrong, I don't like the Democrats much more. But I see them as the publicans and sinners who are exactly what they are...politicians. They don't PRETEND to be the panacea family values or religious morality for religious voters. I see too much blind obedience and following of the RNC among Christians. Personally, I love it when a Christian breaks from the system and refuses to vote for either party.

[Aquila]

Even your savior, Obama, has told everyone to lay off Palin's kid.

Obama's not my "savior". If I vote for him I'll do so holding my nose. I know this much, I'm not voting for McCain.

[Ferd]

I hate what politics does to Christians. .

like how you just excused attacks on Palin over this situation with her daughter?

you mean like that?

[Ferd]

quick! someone hit the report button!

[ReformedDave]

I know this much, I'm not voting for McCain.

Wow! There's a revelation.......:ursofunny

[Aquila]

like how you just excused attacks on Palin over this situation with her daughter?

you mean like that?

Open season baby. You'd not be defending Obama's privacy if it were his daughter. I commend Obama for not going for it...but frankly, that's his choice. I say, open season.

[BrotherEastman]

I think it's necessary for them (the family and the campaign) to report on it, to minimize the negative press (if any). Although, I don't think the Democrats will make themselves look good if they say anything negative toward the daughter or Governor Palin over this issue.

:)
Of course many of us hope they do. The Dems are always screeming at hoe hypocritical the Republicans are; I would be interested in seeing how they slam Palin's 17 year old daughter.

[Baron1710]

Open season baby. You'd not be defending Obama's privacy if it were his daughter. I commend Obama for not going for it...but frankly, that's his choice. I say, open season.

Don't you mean open season on babies?

[BrotherEastman]

Don't you mean open season on babies?
It's the inconsistency of the Dems BABY! LOL!

[Ferd]

Open season baby. You'd not be defending Obama's privacy if it were his daughter. I commend Obama for not going for it...but frankly, that's his choice. I say, open season.

how do you know what I would be doing? You are the one hating what Politics does to Christians... are you a christian? do you hate what politics has done to you so you would post the above?


in point of fact, I have always held that the kids are off limits. alwasy.,

[ReformedDave]

how do you know what I would be doing? You are the one hating what Politics does to Christians... are you a christian? do you hate what politics has done to you so you would post the above?


in point of fact, I have always held that the kids are off limits. alwasy.,

There you go being logical again!

[Ferd]

There you go being logical again!

I am sure I will be reported for doing so!

[Baron1710]

I am sure I will be reported for doing so!

That's because his feelings are sensitive, and it not okay to hurt his feelings, kill the babies but don't hurt his feelings.

[soldoutochrist]

barrack hussein obama, live with it, lol, dt

Absolutely no problem with his name. I'm just pointing out that McCain's full name is never used.

[StillStanding]

Absolutely no problem with his name. I'm just pointing out that McCain's full name is never used.
If his middle name was "Hussein" or "Ben Laden" it would be used! Guarantee it! :)

[Ferd]

That's because his feelings are sensitive, and it not okay to hurt his feelings, kill the babies but don't hurt his feelings.

LOL! GREAT LINE!

Kill the babies but dont hurt his (Chris) feelings!

[MikeinAR]

If you run on a values platform YOUR values are up for criticism not your Senior in high school making a mistake.

Watch out Aquilla you can't seem to handle it in the political threads seems its a bit to rough for ya.

iI agree it's a completely different situation with a family member as opposed to an elected official. Now, the problem I have is that this same mindset was being used last year when the strong "family values" champion the highly esteemed Senator David Vitter (R) of Louisiana was caught patronizing prostitues. Given what he said he stood for and what the Republican party says it stands for, his colleagues should have pushed for his resignation and demanded he step down from any committees he served on.

Many of the conservative talk radio goons and quite a few of my Republican friends were anxious to sweep it under the rug and "let the family deal with a private issue." When it's on publicly elected folks like him, is when the whole "private issues" thing reaks of hypocrisy.

[Baron1710]

iI agree it's a completely different situation with a family member as opposed to an elected official. Now, the problem I have is that this same mindset was being used last year when the strong "family values" champion the highly esteemed Senator David Vitter (R) of Louisiana was caught patronizing prostitues. Given what he said he stood for and what the Republican party says it stands for, his colleagues should have pushed for his resignation and demanded he step down from any committees he served on.

Many of the conservative talk radio goons and quite a few of my Republican friends were anxious to sweep it under the rug and "let the family deal with a private issue." When it's on publicly elected folks like him, is when the whole "private issues" thing reaks of hypocrisy.

I think over all you will find that most conservatives give thier guy the boot when he screws up. The problem is it only goes one way.

[HeavenlyOne]

I wonder if this would be news had it been her 17 year old son getting a girl pregnant.

[Aquila]

Don't you mean open season on babies?

Nope, what nation has the world's lowest abortion rate per every 1000 pregnancies? Is it a "prolife" nation or a "prochoice" nation? It's Belgium a very liberal prochoice nation. Bro...you only care about about abortion's legality...you don't care how many babies die. At least DFLA Democrats have been working in conjunction with mainstream Democrats to pass elements of the 95-10 Initiative to reduce America's abortion rate by 95% in 10 years. And guess what....Republicans are fighting it all the way.

So you can accuse me of being open season for babies all you like. But while you vomit your rhetoric babies die as you do NOTHING but score political points. We're never going to ban abortion in this country. It just will not happen. No court in the land will do it. It's time to DO what has been proven to reduce the abortion rate and move the debate beyond TALK to ACTION. But you'll never understand this....the babies die and all your care about is it's legality on paper.

*Global statistics have proven that abortion's legality has little to no effect on abortion rate. If we got abortion banned tomorrow...we'd still need the social policies of more advanced nations to combat the abortion rate.

[Aquila]

how do you know what I would be doing? You are the one hating what Politics does to Christians... are you a christian? do you hate what politics has done to you so you would post the above?


in point of fact, I have always held that the kids are off limits. alwasy.,

Well Ferd, if kids are off limits for you, I commend you. But for the most part, I don't believe you. I think if this were Obama's daughter most likely you and other other "conservatives" would be attacking with much hatred and venom. I have little doubt in my mind. But, if what you say is true bro....you're a good man. But from what I've seen among the "conservatives" I just have a hard time believing it.

[Aquila]

That's because his feelings are sensitive, and it not okay to hurt his feelings, kill the babies but don't hurt his feelings.

Nobody wants to kill babies. However, some want solid policies that can be put into place NOW that can reduce the abortion rate while others just want abortion illegal on paper regardless of abortion rate. Consider (I think it was) Peru that had banned most forms of abortion.....they had an abortion rate of nearly 99 per every 1000 pregnancies (based on maternal morbidity alone, so the rate was really significantly higher). But Belgium is a prochoice country who's abortion rate is was only 8 per every 1000 pregnancies and that's a solid statistic sense it's legal and occurrences are recorded. Which nation would you want America to model social policy after? Right now America's abortion reported rate is about 25 per every 1000 pregnancies (give or take two points). I firmly believe we could institute social policies that would bring America's abortion rate below that of Belgiums...but I assure you....it's not the "conservatives" who would be willing to do it.

[SDG]

Well Ferd, if kids are off limits for you, I commend you. But for the most part, I don't believe you. I think if this were Obama's daughter most likely you and other other "conservatives" would be attacking with much hatred and venom. I have little doubt in my mind. But, if what you say is true bro....you're a good man. But from what I've seen among the "conservatives" I just have a hard time believing it.

The duplicitous McCain supporters have done this already ...

Palin is no Dan Quayle ... indeed ... since apparently family values no longer matter to the party ...

See also McCain's philandering past and marriage to a sugar mama.

But these are "private matters" ....

Another reason not to vote for Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Si8h4zgqA

Here is a link to the song, (warning this video has offensive junk in it)

**link removed by Admin**


Obama is not fit to be a father, and he wants to be our president.



But I don't think he would use the language in fron of his or anyone elses kids.

I am sure he did not let his 3 year old daughter listen to thugs talk about sex, drugs, and killing like Barack Hussein Obama does.

Ya can't have it both ways.

[ronharvey]

Fox News just ran a "breaking news" report that Governor Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and may be marrying the father of her baby.

:coffee2

Can't imagine how that is supposed to 'drag' her down. Her 17 year old is not being elected to an office and I doubt this 17 year old will be the wicked voice we will need to fear in the coming years.

People just need to get a life and stop being judgmental of situations and persons that don't affect us.

But, dumping out the trash is our Nation's favorite past time; huh?

VOTE for MaCain & Palin!!!:shockamoo

[Aquila]

LOL! GREAT LINE!

Kill the babies but dont hurt his (Chris) feelings!

That's all it is is a great line. All you guys have are "great lines". Reality is that abortion isn't going to be banned in this country. You rally the troops and get us outraged to vote Republican every election and NOTHING ever changes. I have "outrage fatigue". I've been manipulated enough. There are policies we could pass to reduce abortion rates....but the conservatives will have none of it though it's worked in other countries to reduce abortion rates.

[SDG]

Can't imagine how that is supposed to 'drag' her down. Her 17 year old is not being elected to an office and I doubt this 17 year old will be the wicked voice we will need to fear in the coming years.

People just need to get a life and stop being judgmental of situations and persons that don't affect us.

But, dumping out the trash is our Nation's favorite past time; huh?

VOTE for MaCain & Palin!!!:shockamoo
Where was this argument during the Monica Lewinsky scandal?

[Aquila]

I think over all you will find that most conservatives give thier guy the boot when he screws up. The problem is it only goes one way.

Liberals know and expect to elect politicians. Conservatives pretend to elect morally superior candidates. It's all phony. I've discovered I'd rather vote for a man who's liberal and honest about being a liberal than a conservative phony.

[SDG]

Liberals know and expect to elect politicians. Conservatives pretend to elect morally superior candidates. It's all phony. I've discovered I'd rather vote for a man who's liberal and honest about being a liberal than a conservative phony.

Bingo ... a phony and poll-driven panderer.

Clinton II.

What's worse is that he's posing as a conservative while koolaid drinkers buy knock-off McCain the Conservative tees.

[Aquila]

Bingo ... a phony and poll-driven panderer.

Clinton II.


Oh goodness....Clinton is still being brought up. Get a grip, Clinton's gone, finished, history. Let's focus on today.

[SDG]

Oh goodness....Clinton is still being brought up. Get a grip, Clinton's gone, finished, history. Let's focus on today.

It's an old deceiving spirit in a more geriatric body. :bigbaby

[Aquila]

It's an old deceiving spirit in a more geriatric body. :bigbaby

lol

[HeavenlyOne]

I wonder if this would be news had it been her 17 year old son getting a girl pregnant.

Pardon me, excuse me, just bumping this a little...

[Aquila]

Pardon me, excuse me, just bumping this a little...

I think it might be an issue with conservatives. Liberals would only make it an issue if "values" are the assailed reason to vote for someone.

Frankly, I already know the majority of Christians are going to vote McCain because he chose a woman, a Christian, and a hunter. It doesn't take much to get a Christian voting for someone.

[SDG]

Pardon me, excuse me, just bumping this a little...

Blame it on the press ... not her lack of social graces ... gotcha.

[SDG]

I think it might be an issue with conservatives. Liberals would only make it an issue if "values" are the assailed reason to vote for someone.

Frankly, I already know the majority of Christians are going to vote McCain because he chose a woman, a Christian, and a hunter. It doesn't take much to get a Christian voting for someone.

Nowadays just say Republican ... and Pavlov's dogs begin to salivate.

Robotic if you ask me. The candidate no longer matters.

[soldoutochrist]

Pardon me, excuse me, just bumping this a little...

I think that the only reason that it came up was because of the rumors that Palin's youngest son was actually her daughter's, and they decided to squash that by releasing the truth. Honestly, if the son scenario existed, since there wouldn't be the tangible proof, I don't think the media would've made as big of a deal out of it.