View Full Version : Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theology
TK Burk
09-04-2008, 10:56 PM
I am NOT into politics. As an Apostolic, my leader is not Republican, Democrat, or Independent, but is the King of kings, Jesus Christ. But yesterday something came to my attention that I could not allow to go unsaid.
John McCain choosing Sarah Palin for his Vice President running mate has caused quite a stir. Questions immediately arose about her political experience (or inexperience), and also regarding the time a mother of five could actually devote to such an office. But the issue that’s just now surfacing concerns the degree to which her “Pentecostal” background might affect her political decisions and policies. The news I unburied is a frightening testimony as to why this question must be of major concern to those reading this.
Barak Obama attended Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side for 20 year. During that time, the teachings of his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, had to have made an impact on his thinking. Anyone who would deny such a claim knows nothing of the influence a church’s doctrine has on a congregation’s thinking.
Sarah Palin has also been influenced by the ministry of her home church. Since the age of 12, Palin was raised in the one church, the Wasilla Assembly of God of Wasilla, Alaska. This is the church she attended while mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. It is the same church that she got her spiritual influence from until moving away after being elected Governor in November 2006. Even today, she still considers the Wasilla Assembly of God to be her home church. This must include her relating to their doctrinal stance. Anyone who claims a politician’s belief on prophecy and the “end time” doesn't affect their political views, needs to read the remainder of this…
On June 8, 2008, Sarah Pulin spoke at her home church, the Wasilla Assembly of God. During that speech she said:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html))
Did you catch that? Palin said that the Iraq war is “from God,” and that the soldiers fighting there “on a task from God.” Now I’m not going to get into the debate about whether or not a Christian can kill another human being, because that’s not the issue here. What we do need to see is that Sarah Palin believes the war being fought is a war “from God,” and that the men and women sent there are there to fight and die for God. Where would she get such a notion? How about from her home church in Wasilla, Alaska?
Since 1999, Rev. Ed Kalnins has been the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God. Kalnins believes the 9/11 attacks and subsequent Iraqi war are part of a "world war" over the Christian faith. He preaches to the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation that Jesus Christ demands that they, and all other Christians, be willing to sacrifice their lives in this type war. Here is an example of this:
“What you see in a terrorist—that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war” (READ HERE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)).
So, there you go. Christians are called to fight in a physical war, which parallels an ongoing spiritual war. So much for the “weapons of our warfare" not being "carnal,” ehh? And then he says that the same Jesus who said we are to “love,” “bless,” and "pray for” our enemies was actually thinking that we should just kill them. Hmmm…that page of my Bible must be missing because I don’t remember ever reading Jesus say anything close to that, do you? The reason Pastor Kalnins can say that, is not because he has Bible, but because he preceded it with an “I also Believe.” And with the crowd the Wasilla Assembly of God runs in, many of which believe in the "New Word" doctrine of apostles and prophets, that’s all you'd need to make something like that “biblically” okay.
While looking to find what churches and preachers Palin's church associated with, I decided to look into something she mentioned during her June 8th appearance at the Wasilla Assembly of God church. On a couple occasions she referenced folks in the congregation as being a part of the “Master’s Commission.” I did a Google search and found there is a Bible school in Wasilla of that name and that they are a part of the Wasilla Assembly of God (SEE HERE (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)). They have a website which I went to. That site has an option “About Us.” The first choice on that page is entitled, “About Alaska (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)". Once there you'll see that the very first paragraph says:
“Alaska has a divine destiny that has been spoken about by many church leaders and prophetic leaders from all over the world such as Dutch Sheets, TODD BENTLY, Steve Thompson, Woody Woodson, and Dr. Cho just to name a few.”
If a person can be found guilty by association, then the folks at this Wasilla school and church will be doing 20 to life! A Google search of the men they listed will turn up a mirage of teachings and doctrines that are contrary to what is found in the Bible. One of these is belief in Latter Rain and Dominion Theology. And let’s not forget the recent issues and controversy of Todd Bentley. Did you notice they have him second on their list of “church leaders and prophetic leaders”?
Now to Wikipedia; I know the concerns with accuracy of the source, but listed under “Dominion Theology,” in Wikipedia is this statement:
Dominion theology may be more nationally relevant in the US since Sarah Palin became John McCain's running mate as the Republican Party's 2008 vice presidential candidate. RECENT INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM SUGGESTS THAT SARAH PALIN IS A "DOMINIONIST STALKING HORSE"[1]. If John McCain is elected to become the 44th president of the United States and dies in his first term in office (with an actuarial probability of 13.8%[2]) then the 45th president of the United States (though not elected to that position) WOULD PROBABLY ACCEPT MAJOR ELEMENTS OF THIS THEOLOGICAL POSITION. That John McCain would nominate her indicates that, while not necessarily committed to the doctrines, the movement has his sympathies and he is seeking their financial and political support (SEE HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology)).
So there you go. John McCain chose a woman as his VP running mate who is tied to a church that teaches Dominion Theology, and who follows the teachings of men like Todd Bentley. If you do not know the implications of what this doctrine may do in the White House, then you really need to study the teachings of C Peter Wagner's group.
Think about it; do you really like the idea that a (so called) prophet's or apostle's prophecy may someday be used to send our troops into a physical war that was "chosen by God"? And like she said, Alaska is a state that God chose as a "refuge state" for the "last days" (Found approximately 10 minutes and 49 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)). This shows that her prophetic views will dictate her political choices...and with the company she's used to keeping, that could become very scary!
Elizabeth
09-04-2008, 11:08 PM
for one thing anyone can post anything on Wikipedia-
I do not believe for a minuet anyone is going to lead the country by prophetic words- thats a stretch indeed.
And of course they are going to try to find any little thing that looks out there linked to "her" church--come on if it made Obama look bad--they are going to try to play the same card with Palin.
TK Burk
09-04-2008, 11:12 PM
for one thing anyone can post anything on Wikipedia-
I do not believe for a minuet anyone is going to lead the country by prophetic words- thats a stretch indeed.
And of course they are going to try to find any little thing that looks out there linked to "her" church--come on if it made Obama look bad--they are going to try to play the same card with Palin.
You don't believe it, or you don't want to believe it??
I posted more than just Wikipedia. I even stated that I knew why it is not considered reliable. Did you really look at all I listed? I gave the video of her speaking at her church and also her church school's website. I only used Wikipedia to show that her position is becoming an issue.
Elizabeth
09-04-2008, 11:28 PM
You don't believe it, or you don't want to believe it??
I posted more than just Wikipedia. I even stated that I knew why it is not considered reliable. Did you really look at all I listed? I gave the video of her speaking at her church and also her church school's website. I only used Wikipedia to show that her position is becoming an issue.
I am sorry it is late, I will have to look at it all later-although I viewed the video earlier(it looks the same) and "word" she had was a scripture out of Ephesians.
Yeah I seriously doubt anyone could get away with running the country by prophesy.
Hoovie
09-04-2008, 11:30 PM
This is going nowhere! Obama does NOT want to go there!
Evang.Benincasa
09-04-2008, 11:35 PM
I am sorry it is late, I will have to look at it all later-although I viewed the video earlier(it looks the same) and "word" she had was a scripture out of Ephesians.
Yeah I seriously doubt anyone could get away with running the country by prophesy.
Didn't Nancy Regan use an Astrologer?
Doesn't sound too far fetched Sis.
TK Burk
09-04-2008, 11:37 PM
Didn't Nancy Regan use an Astrologer?
Doesn't sound too far fetched Sis.
And don't forget about Ronald Reagan refusing to live in a house with the number, "666" Cloud Street.
HappyTown
09-04-2008, 11:49 PM
I am NOT into politics. As an Apostolic, my leader is not Republican, Democrat, or Independent, but is the King of kings, Jesus Christ. But yesterday something came to my attention that I could not allow to go unsaid.
John McCain choosing Sarah Palin for his Vice President running mate has caused quite a stir. Questions immediately arose about her political experience (or inexperience), and also regarding the time a mother of five could actually devote to such an office. But the issue that’s just now surfacing concerns the degree to which her “Pentecostal” background might affect her political decisions and policies. The news I unburied is a frightening testimony as to why this question must be of major concern to those reading this.
Barak Obama attended Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side for 20 year. During that time, the teachings of his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, had to have made an impact on his thinking. Anyone who would deny such a claim knows nothing of the influence a church’s doctrine has on a congregation’s thinking.
Sarah Palin has also been influenced by the ministry of her home church. Since the age of 12, Palin was raised in the one church, the Wasilla Assembly of God of Wasilla, Alaska. This is the church she attended while mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. It is the same church that she got her spiritual influence from until moving away after being elected Governor in November 2006. Even today, she still considers the Wasilla Assembly of God to be her home church. This must include her relating to their doctrinal stance. Anyone who claims a politician’s belief on prophecy and the “end time” doesn't affect their political views, needs to read the remainder of this…
On June 8, 2008, Sarah Pulin spoke at her home church, the Wasilla Assembly of God. During that speech she said:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html))
Did you catch that? Palin said that the Iraq war is “from God,” and that the soldiers fighting there “on a task from God.” Now I’m not going to get into the debate about whether or not a Christian can kill another human being, because that’s not the issue here. What we do need to see is that Sarah Palin believes the war being fought is a war “from God,” and that the men and women sent there are there to fight and die for God. Where would she get such a notion? How about from her home church in Wasilla, Alaska?
Since 1999, Rev. Ed Kalnins has been the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God. Kalnins believes the 9/11 attacks and subsequent Iraqi war are part of a "world war" over the Christian faith. He preaches to the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation that Jesus Christ demands that they, and all other Christians, be willing to sacrifice their lives in this type war. Here is an example of this:
“What you see in a terrorist—that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war” (READ HERE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)).
So, there you go. Christians are called to fight in a physical war, which parallels an ongoing spiritual war. So much for the “weapons of our warfare" not being "carnal,” ehh? And then he says that the same Jesus who said we are to “love,” “bless,” and "pray for” our enemies was actually thinking that we should just kill them. Hmmm…that page of my Bible must be missing because I don’t remember ever reading Jesus say anything close to that, do you? The reason Pastor Kalnins can say that, is not because he has Bible, but because he preceded it with an “I also Believe.” And with the crowd the Wasilla Assembly of God runs in, many of which believe in the "New Word" doctrine of apostles and prophets, that’s all you'd need to make something like that “biblically” okay.
While looking to find what churches and preachers Palin's church associated with, I decided to look into something she mentioned during her June 8th appearance at the Wasilla Assembly of God church. On a couple occasions she referenced folks in the congregation as being a part of the “Master’s Commission.” I did a Google search and found there is a Bible school in Wasilla of that name and that they are a part of the Wasilla Assembly of God (SEE HERE (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)). They have a website which I went to. That site has an option “About Us.” The first choice on that page is entitled, “About Alaska (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)". Once there you'll see that the very first paragraph says:
“Alaska has a divine destiny that has been spoken about by many church leaders and prophetic leaders from all over the world such as Dutch Sheets, TODD BENTLY, Steve Thompson, Woody Woodson, and Dr. Cho just to name a few.”
If a person can be found guilty by association, then the folks at this Wasilla school and church will be doing 20 to life! A Google search of the men they listed will turn up a mirage of teachings and doctrines that are contrary to what is found in the Bible. One of these is belief in Latter Rain and Dominion Theology. And let’s not forget the recent issues and controversy of Todd Bentley. Did you notice they have him second on their list of “church leaders and prophetic leaders”?
Now to Wikipedia; I know the concerns with accuracy of the source, but listed under “Dominion Theology,” in Wikipedia is this statement:
Dominion theology may be more nationally relevant in the US since Sarah Palin became John McCain's running mate as the Republican Party's 2008 vice presidential candidate. RECENT INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM SUGGESTS THAT SARAH PALIN IS A "DOMINIONIST STALKING HORSE"[1]. If John McCain is elected to become the 44th president of the United States and dies in his first term in office (with an actuarial probability of 13.8%[2]) then the 45th president of the United States (though not elected to that position) WOULD PROBABLY ACCEPT MAJOR ELEMENTS OF THIS THEOLOGICAL POSITION. That John McCain would nominate her indicates that, while not necessarily committed to the doctrines, the movement has his sympathies and he is seeking their financial and political support (SEE HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology)).
So there you go. John McCain chose a woman as his VP running mate who is tied to a church that teaches Dominion Theology, and who follows the teachings of men like Todd Bentley. If you do not know the implications of what this doctrine may do in the White House, then you really need to study the teachings of C Peter Wagner's group.
Think about it; do you really like the idea that a (so called) prophet's or apostle's prophecy may someday be used to send our troops into a physical war that was "chosen by God"? And like she said, Alaska is a state that God chose as a "refuge state" for the "last days" (Found approximately 10 minutes and 49 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)). This shows that her prophetic views will dictate her political choices...and with the company she's used to keeping, that could become very scary!
Good info! I think Bush and the McCaians want usher in the end!
HappyTown
09-04-2008, 11:56 PM
You don't believe it, or you don't want to believe it??
I posted more than just Wikipedia. I even stated that I knew why it is not considered reliable. Did you really look at all I listed? I gave the video of her speaking at her church and also her church school's website. I only used Wikipedia to show that her position is becoming an issue.
The deal this, Christians can't get beyond the abortion issues! So they never look any deeper. Major reason we as a nation are in such bad shape, people need to look into all of what these mouth pieces are proclaiming, not just one issues!
Couldn't it be said that all who want to enact legislation that would
outlaw abortion
establish a definition of marriage as between one man and one woman
require prayer in public schools
be considered proponents of dominion theology?
Elizabeth
09-05-2008, 12:09 AM
Didn't Nancy Regan use an Astrologer?
Doesn't sound too far fetched Sis.
Wasn't that for personal use?
Praxeas
09-05-2008, 12:54 AM
The deal this, Christians can't get beyond the abortion issues! So they never look any deeper. Major reason we as a nation are in such bad shape, people need to look into all of what these mouth pieces are proclaiming, not just one issues!
Oh bull. Christians look at MANY issues. Abortion is only one of them
OP_Carl
09-05-2008, 04:31 AM
I am NOT into politics. As an Apostolic, my leader is not Republican, Democrat, or Independent, but is the King of kings, Jesus Christ. But yesterday something came to my attention that I could not allow to go unsaid. On June 8, 2008, Sarah Pulin spoke at her home church, the Wasilla Assembly of God. During that speech she said:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."
Did you catch that? Palin said that the Iraq war is “from God,” and that the soldiers fighting there “on a task from God.” . . . that could become very scary!
WRONG!
I'll tell you what is scary. It is people like you who think they have a mastery of prophecy, theology, and psychology when they demonstrate they don't even have basic reading comprehension. :ranting You could lead a lot of people astray with just a minor misunderstanding. :ranting
It does not require an expert grammarian to see that Sarah Palin did not declare that the soldiers were on a task from God. She asked that the congregation pray that the soldiers would be on a task from God.
In this instance, she's asking people to pray that the leaders and soldiers stay in God's will.
Sarah Palin may very well believe dominion theology for all I know. I am not an apologist for her. I just want to make it clear that it cannot be proved from this one prayer request. People need to calm down. Sarah Palin is going to be the subject of the most intense investigation this world has ever known, exactly because she poses such a threat to both leftists and the entrenched political machines.
TK Burk, your post reminds me of those medieval clerics who found fragments of animal bones and widely proclaimed they were relics of Christ, responsible for healings, etc. :nah
ManOfWord
09-05-2008, 07:04 AM
In this instance, she's asking people to pray that the leaders and soldiers stay in God's will.
That is exactly what I got out of it. God forbid that we would have someone in the White House that would actually listen to the voice of God and believe that God speaks to us today through words of prophecy etc. There is enough wackiness in pentecostal circles to go around, but Sarah Palin does not seem to fit into that category. Is she pentecostal, yes! Is she just like "us" whoever "us" is.....probably not. But I would take 1/2 of her over 1000 Obamas any day. She has the principles we hold dear in her heart and her life is proof.
Whatever the Lord does with her, she will be making a MUCH larger difference than all the whiners combined on this forum who cry and moan that we're not conservative enough. HOGWASH! Thank God for people like Sarah Palin who will ask God to use them any way He sees fit! :D
TRFrance
09-05-2008, 07:17 AM
WRONG!
I'll tell you what is scary. It is people like you who think they have a mastery of prophecy, theology, and psychology when they demonstrate they don't even have basic reading comprehension. :ranting You could lead a lot of people astray with just a minor misunderstanding. :ranting
It does not require an expert grammarian to see that Sarah Palin did not declare that the soldiers were on a task from God. She asked that the congregation pray that the soldiers would be on a task from God.
In this instance, she's asking people to pray that the leaders and soldiers stay in God's will.
Sarah Palin may very well believe dominion theology for all I know. I am not an apologist for her. I just want to make it clear that it cannot be proved from this one prayer request. People need to calm down. Sarah Palin is going to be the subject of the most intense investigation this world has ever known, exactly because she poses such a threat to both leftists and the entrenched political machines.
TK Burk, your post reminds me of those medieval clerics who found fragments of animal bones and widely proclaimed they were relics of Christ, responsible for healings, etc. :nah
Thank you brother.
Just another reminder of why proper reading comprehension is so critical.
Pressing-On
09-05-2008, 07:22 AM
Thank you, OP_Carl, MOW and TRFrance!! I was too tired to reply to this last night.
Michael The Disciple
09-05-2008, 07:46 AM
Another thing to consider. Just because the men mentioned Bentley, Sheets, ect. have spoken of the destiny of Alaska certainly does not make her one of them. Anyone who gave Alaska some thought could see it as having a destiny.
I think she says it will be a place of refuge for many in the time to come. That may well be. It seems like an awesome place.
God is sovereign. If indeed he has chosen and anointed her to be VP or even President nothing will be able to stop it.
Pressing-On
09-05-2008, 07:53 AM
Another thing to consider. Just because the men mentioned Bentley, Sheets, ect. have spoken of the destiny of Alaska certainly does not make her one of them. Anyone who gave Alaska some thought could see it as having a destiny.
I think she says it will be a place of refuge for many in the time to come. That may well be. It seems like an awesome place.
God is sovereign. If indeed he has chosen and anointed her to be VP or even President nothing will be able to stop it.
Good post, Michael!
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 07:54 AM
Hey OP, I am RIGHT! And also, thanks for treating me so kindly. You’ve truly shown yourself to be the exact opposite of how you described me….:nah
OP Carl, TRFrance, ManOfWord, and Pressing-On, what all of you are forgetting—or maybe willingly ignoring—is the FACT that her church OPENLY admits ties to C Peter Wagner’s group. Regardless how she words it, her Sr. Pastor taught her church that the war the US is in is GOD’S WAR. If you think the church she attended since age 12 hasn’t affected her thinking, then maybe we've found the actual comprehension problem??
So, before you fall all over yourselves thinking I flunked out of English 101, you better reread what is REALLY going on….
rgcraig
09-05-2008, 07:56 AM
Hey OP, I am RIGHT! And also, thanks for treating me so kindly. You’ve truly shown yourself to be the exact opposite of how you described me….:nah
OP Carl, TRFrance, ManOfWord, and Pressing-On, what all of you are forgetting—or maybe willingly ignoring—is the FACT that her church OPENLY admits ties to C Peter Wagner’s group. Regardless how she words it, her Sr. Pastor taught her church that the war the US is in is GOD’S WAR. If you think the church she attended since age 12 hasn’t affected her thinking, then maybe we've found the actual comprehension problem??
So, before you fall all over yourselves thinking I flunked out of English 101, you better reread what is REALLY going on….
I have to totally disagree with you and agree with the others!
Pressing-On
09-05-2008, 07:59 AM
Hey OP, I am RIGHT! And also, thanks for treating me so kindly. You’ve truly shown yourself to be the exact opposite of how you described me….:nah
OP Carl, TRFrance, ManOfWord, and Pressing-On, what all of you are forgetting—or maybe willingly ignoring—is the FACT that her church OPENLY admits ties to C Peter Wagner’s group. Regardless how she words it, her Sr. Pastor taught her church that the war the US is in is GOD’S WAR. If you think the church she attended since age 12 hasn’t affected her thinking, then maybe we've found the actual comprehension problem??
So, before you fall all over yourselves thinking I flunked out of English 101, you better reread what is REALLY going on….
I don't want to get too involved in this, TK Burk. All of this reminds me of the end time stuff I was sick of hearing in the 80's. Fear, fear, fear. I just don't want to live in fear of everything! I'm tired of that.
We are more than conquerors no matter what someone embraces. Witch hunts. I'm tired of them, that's just how I feel about it.
When I was a new convert I was so pressed down with fear I couldn't lift my hands to worship. In a ladies prayer meeting God set me free. I'm not doing the fear thing anymore.
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 08:01 AM
Another thing to consider. Just because the men mentioned Bentley, Sheets, ect. have spoken of the destiny of Alaska certainly does not make her one of them. Anyone who gave Alaska some thought could see it as having a destiny.
I think she says it will be a place of refuge for many in the time to come. That may well be. It seems like an awesome place.
God is sovereign. If indeed he has chosen and anointed her to be VP or even President nothing will be able to stop it.
Are you serious? So you actually believe Palin's church posting that they have ties with these men actually means they do not also adhere to the doctrines that these men teach? You really believe that??
rgcraig
09-05-2008, 08:03 AM
Are you serious? So you actually believe Palin's church posting that they have ties with these men actually means they do not also adhere to the doctrines that these men teach? You really believe that??
Yes.
Sherri
09-05-2008, 08:07 AM
Dutch Sheets and C.Peter Wagner are not our enemies. They are some of the good guys!
Sarah Palin loves Jesus, and in my eyes, that's the biggest plus of all. Instead of arguing if she thinks just like us, let's thank God that at least she's a godly woman, trying to do right.
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 08:09 AM
I don't want to get too involved in this, TK Burk. All of this reminds me of the end time stuff I was sick of hearing in the 80's. Fear, fear, fear. I just don't want to live in fear of everything! I'm tired of that.
We are more than conquerors no matter what someone embraces. Witch hunts. I'm tired of them, that's just how I feel about it.
When I was a new convert I was so pressed down with fear I couldn't lift my hands to worship. In a ladies prayer meeting God set me free. I'm not doing the fear thing anymore.
"Fear" is one thing a person quickly loses when they see Apostolic Preterism.
But if what you're saying is the case, why are you using that avatar picture? If you don't want to hear about a political candidate's background, then I'd advise against advertising for them.
Pressing-On
09-05-2008, 08:12 AM
"Fear" is one thing a person quickly loses when they see Apostolic Preterism.
But if what you're saying is the case, why are you using that avatar picture? If you don't want to hear about a political candidate's background, then I'd advise against advertising for them.
I didn't say I didn't want to hear about political candidates. It was just obvious to me that Palin was directing the attention to God being their help and direction.
I also see some elements of partial Preterism that I agree with. There are elements of all views that have some basic truth. I do not 100% embrace any view and never have.
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 08:13 AM
Yes.
You do understand what an endorsement is, yes? It is one thing to have a less than desirable man or woman endorse you; it's another to acknowledge their endorsement. Once you publically recognize their name with yours, you are endorsing the endorser. You can't see that?
vrblackwell
09-05-2008, 08:31 AM
Some of the greatest presidents in our history including, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln prayed to God for direction and believed the wars that they lead our country into were the will of God, and for His cause.
I think anyone who would suggest that Sara Palin or Obama would lead our country into a war based on prophesy is naive and clueless. They might, however, believe that all wars that happen are part of prophesy and God's plan. With that I agree.
The bible says that God uses governments to carry out justice against the wicked. That would mean that wars are used by God to defeat wickedness such as Islamic terrorism.
I say, Go God! Way to use the greatest military in the world to crush the wicked who refuse to repent.
Pressing-On
09-05-2008, 08:33 AM
Some of the greatest presidents in our history including, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln prayed to God for direction and believed the wars that they lead our country into were the will of God, and for His cause.
I think anyone who would suggest that Sara Palin or Obama would lead our country into a war based on prophesy is naive and clueless. They might, however, believe that all wars that happen are part of prophesy and God's plan. With that I agree.
The bible says that God uses governments to carry out justice against the wicked. That would mean that wars are used by God to defeat wickedness such as Islamic terrorism.
I say, Go God! Way to use the greatest military in the world to crush the wicked who refuse to repent.
Good points, Verlon. I agree!
rgcraig
09-05-2008, 08:49 AM
You do understand what an endorsement is, yes? It is one thing to have a less than desirable man or woman endorse you; it's another to acknowledge their endorsement. Once you publically recognize their name with yours, you are endorsing the endorser. You can't see that?
I think you are making mountains out of mole hills!
Steve Epley
09-05-2008, 08:55 AM
And they might be pro-Isreal don't forget that.:whistle
vrblackwell
09-05-2008, 08:56 AM
Good points, Verlon. I agree!
It's a great point.:tease
Pressing-On
09-05-2008, 08:58 AM
It's a great point.:tease
:ursofunny:ursofunny
Conceited!!! :tease
TRFrance
09-05-2008, 09:49 AM
Burk, lets look at the quote again:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."
I see you havent addressed the primary point of OPCarl's post, which is that you came in and sounded the alarm on something Sarah Palin [U]supposedly said, which she didnt actually say.
You claimed she said that "the Iraq war was from God"... when in fact she was praying that the soldiers would be doing God's will in what they were doing over there... very big difference.
Whether intentionally or unintentionally, you misrepresented what she said. This is the kind of alarmism that causes the spread of a lot of untrue rumors on the internet, and even serves to damage the reputation of good people.
If you have issues with Palin's pastor, C Peter Wagner, Todd Bentley etc, thats another matter entirely. But theres really no need to drag Sarah Palin into this. She has said nothing to indicate she's some kind of extremist or any such thing.
Maybe to even restore your own credibility it would do good for you to at least acknowledge that you misrepresented Ms Palin's words; thats a whole lot bettter than just glossing over that fact, as you seem to be doing.
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 10:15 AM
Like I said in the beginning, I am not into politics at all. My King is Jesus. Whatever Leader He puts into office is His choice, and because so, that’s okay with me.
But I do find it ironic that some of you here saying that it doesn't matter what a politician believes are the same ones who would have a problem with a Muslim being president. Now you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that a politician’s religious influence wouldn’t cloud her political decisions, and then say it would if the person is Muslim.
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 10:16 AM
And they might be pro-Isreal don't forget that.:whistle
I hope they are, and that they are also pro-all-other people too! After all, THAT is the Christian way to be.
StillStanding
09-05-2008, 10:40 AM
Like I said in the beginning, I am not into politics at all. My King is Jesus. Whatever Leader He puts into office is His choice, and because so, that’s okay with me.
But I do find it ironic that some of you here saying that it doesn't matter what a politician believes are the same ones who would have a problem with a Muslim being president. Now you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that a politician’s religious influence wouldn’t cloud her political decisions, and then say it would if the person is Muslim.
I believe the Sarah Palin believes that God is in control. Whatever God desires to do on earth will be done, and there's NOTHING any leader can do to change that!
I see nothing wrong with praying that your decisions, that carry grave consequences, are in God's will. After all, who wants to be on the wrong side of God!!
Also, I don't think Gov. Palin is gullible enough to make someone's prophecy self-fulfilled! To think so, you have a very low opinion of her intelligence.
She seems pretty sharp to me from what I've seen and read about her.
rgcraig
09-05-2008, 10:55 AM
Like I said in the beginning, I am not into politics at all. My King is Jesus. Whatever Leader He puts into office is His choice, and because so, that’s okay with me.
But I do find it ironic that some of you here saying that it doesn't matter what a politician believes are the same ones who would have a problem with a Muslim being president. Now you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that a politician’s religious influence wouldn’t cloud her political decisions, and then say it would if the person is Muslim.Huh? The people vote the leader in office. God doesn't DO everything.
Steve Epley
09-05-2008, 11:01 AM
I hope they are, and that they are also pro-all-other people too! After all, THAT is the Christian way to be.
And pro-Moslem???????????????????????????????
Hoovie
09-05-2008, 11:05 AM
Some of the greatest presidents in our history including, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln prayed to God for direction and believed the wars that they lead our country into were the will of God, and for His cause.
I think anyone who would suggest that Sara Palin or Obama would lead our country into a war based on prophesy is naive and clueless. They might, however, believe that all wars that happen are part of prophesy and God's plan. With that I agree.
The bible says that God uses governments to carry out justice against the wicked. That would mean that wars are used by God to defeat wickedness such as Islamic terrorism.
I say, Go God! Way to use the greatest military in the world to crush the wicked who refuse to repent.
Two quick questions V B... are you going to Jeff City tonight? And should I wear a "APOSTOLIC PALINITE" sign?
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 11:09 AM
Huh? The people vote the leader in office. God doesn't DO everything.
No, He doesn't. He doesn't force anyone to vote any certain way. Which is why a Christian better make sure, if they're going to vote, that they only vote for a candidate that is truly of God. Why? Because the Bible says that God puts whatever leader into office that He sees fit....
God alone put Pharaoh in power…
Exodus 9:16
(16) And in very deed for this cause have I RAISED THEE UP, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
God alone put Nebuchadnezzar in power…
Jeremiah 27:5-6
(5) I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have GIVEN IT UNTO WHOM IT SEEMED MEET UNTO ME.
(6) And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, MY SERVANT; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
This is what Paul said…
Colossians 1:16-17
(16) For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
(17) And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Colossians 2:9-10
(9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
(10) And ye are complete in him, which is THE HEAD OF ALL PRINCIPALITY AND POWER:
Romans 13:1-3
(1) Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. FOR THERE IS NO POWER BUT OF GOD: THE POWERS THAT BE ARE ORDAINED OF GOD.
(2) WHOSOEVER THEREFORE RESISTETH THE POWER, RESISTETH THE ORDINANCE OF GOD: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
(3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
1 Peter 2:13-17
(13) SUBMIT YOURSELVES TO EVERY ORDINANCE OF MAN FOR THE LORD'S SAKE: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
(14) Or unto governors, AS UNTO THEM THAT ARE SENT BY HIM for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
(15) FOR SO IS THE WILL OF GOD, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
(16) As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
(17) Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
TK Burk
09-05-2008, 11:11 AM
And pro-Moslem???????????????????????????????
Brother, don't you love all people the same? Isn't that what Jesus said to do??
vrblackwell
09-05-2008, 11:37 AM
Two quick questions V B... are you going to Jeff City tonight? And should I wear a "APOSTOLIC PALINITE" sign?
Whats in Jeff City?
I went to O'fallon Sunday to the McCain Rally. 23,000 people was there. I was twenty feet in fron of the platform. I got sunburned really bad, I was there all day.
I got some good pics and will post them when I figure out how to do it.
Hoovie
09-05-2008, 04:16 PM
Whats in Jeff City?
I went to O'fallon Sunday to the McCain Rally. 23,000 people was there. I was twenty feet in fron of the platform. I got sunburned really bad, I was there all day.
I got some good pics and will post them when I figure out how to do it.
Take a man's job and he loses touch!! :ursofunny:ursofunny District Mens Conference is going on in Jeff. :whistle
Several of my in laws attended the O'Fallon rally.
MissBrattified
09-05-2008, 04:23 PM
Before I can even comment on this thread, I need to understand what "Dominion Theology" is. I know what the Dominion Mandate is, but what is "Dominion Theology?" Especially in reference to the context and intent of the first post....
Evang.Benincasa
09-05-2008, 08:09 PM
Wasn't that for personal use?
Chief of Staff, Donald T. Regan said that the Reagans made a considerable amount of use of Astrology in making policy decisions. It is popular knowledge that Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer after Reagan's assassination attempt. Nancy Reagan did this to increase security. During the late 1940's the Reagan's used the services of a then famous Hollywood astrologer by the name of Carroll Righter.
Nancy Reagan often consulted astrologer Joan Quigley for advice. The Reagans had known Joan Quigley since the 1970s. Nancy sought the use Quigley's services
You can pick up a copy of "For the Record" by former White House Chief of Staff Donald Regan, he tells all about the Reagans use of astrologers to help plan the president's schedule. The astrologer Joan Quigley wrote her own book and speaks about her involvement in activities involving White House international relations.
Yeah I seriously doubt anyone could get away with running the country by prophesy.
Not so far fetched Sister, I would say presidents have been using witchcraft disguised as Christianity for years, to plan their agenda. Sarah Palin is just the same devil with a different dress.
I myself believe that both individuals running are messengers of Satan, be it Obama or McClain. Washington is swimming in blood and the blood stained hands of this country will bring upon itself the retribution of its Sins.
Pray church.
In JESUS NAME
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
trickledown
09-05-2008, 09:30 PM
Not so far fetched Sister, I would say presidents have been using witchcraft disguised as Christianity for years, to plan their agenda. Sarah Palin is just the same devil with a different dress.
I myself believe that both individuals running are messengers of Satan, be it Obama or McClain. Washington is swimming in blood and the blood stained hands of this country will bring upon itself the retribution of its Sins.
This sounds Like an Apostolic Reverend Wright. Do you believe In the US at all? It is clear to people all over the world for the last 200 years that America is a land Blessed by God. Our acts of agression have not all been ordained of God, but many have. If it were not for us, THE US, then the world would not exist as we know it. Israel would not exist. Revivals the world over would have never happened. Give us a break with your pacifistic, superior opined, alarmist non-sense.
GOD, Family, Country
Patriotism will not die in my home or church. God Bless America
Land that "I" Love
crakjak
09-05-2008, 10:15 PM
In this instance, she's asking people to pray that the leaders and soldiers stay in God's will.
That is exactly what I got out of it. God forbid that we would have someone in the White House that would actually listen to the voice of God and believe that God speaks to us today through words of prophecy etc. There is enough wackiness in pentecostal circles to go around, but Sarah Palin does not seem to fit into that category. Is she pentecostal, yes! Is she just like "us" whoever "us" is.....probably not. But I would take 1/2 of her over 1000 Obamas any day. She has the principles we hold dear in her heart and her life is proof.
Whatever the Lord does with her, she will be making a MUCH larger difference than all the whiners combined on this forum who cry and moan that we're not conservative enough. HOGWASH! Thank God for people like Sarah Palin who will ask God to use them any way He sees fit! :D
Well said, MOW!
Sorry, Bro. Burk you are reading many things into what you are reading and hearing, she did not say the Iraq war was God's war. She was saying that God has a plan in this world and that we should pray for it. BTW, the Iraq war is a part of what God is doing in the world, but He has a different view of it than most of us.
The Master's Commission is a study program that many church have to train young folks into Christian ministry, it is not what you alluded to. Kenneth Phillips church has this type of training.
You sound like you are leaning into the conspiracy crowd's thinking.
Evang.Benincasa
09-05-2008, 10:25 PM
This sounds Like an Apostolic Reverend Wright. Do you believe In the US at all?
I believe in Jesus Christ, sorry no Yankee Doodle Dandy with head in the sand here. :)
It is clear to people all over the world for the last 200 years that America is a land Blessed by God.
Sorry Uncle Sam, but I live on the border of Wilton Manor Florida where they have stores with the names like Gay Mart, Queer Nation, Pride Factory, and Java Boys. The Church of Jesus Christ is blessed, and this country reaps the benefit of having the Church of Jesus Christ praising Jesus on its soil. Just don't you think for a minute that you are going to peddle that sorry foolishness to me that our country is blessed because it's Christian.
This country is Christless, and the garbage that spews out of the mouth of its media proves it.
Our acts of agression have not all been ordained of God, but many have.
What are you Roman Catholic? News Flash! Christianity is a passive religion!
We as Christian don't use weapons to settle our disputes. Slap the right cheek and then stab and slab? The Church of Jesus Christ NEVER uses deadly force, NEVER.
If it were not for us, THE US, then the world would not exist as we know it.
Sweet love of God! My lands are you kidding me, people like you actually exist. President Eisenhower didn't agree with you, and in fact he warned the nation against allowing your kind of mentality to push us towards building a military-industrial complex.
A military-industrial complex that would constantly have us looking to police the world.
If you happen to get the chance to free your mind and research what I'm trying to say to you, you will find that America parallels the Roman Empire.
It parallels the Roman Empire in a way that America is looking to control and occupy. Yet when a country builds empire it has to maintain that empire. It does that only one way...force....deadly force.
What are we fighting for? Freedom?
We are free, and we don't need to police the world, or go looking for a fight.
Israel would not exist.
Wait a minute, don't you believe that God keeps Israel around?
It would be more honest that you say because of American money Israel exists.
Revivals the world over would have never happened.
You talk to me about Holy Ghost revival out of one side of your mouth, while you tell me to give you a break with my pacifistic non-sense?
obviously you are a child, and have no idea what you are saying.
Anyone who likes to spill blood has no part in the Kingdom of God.
Give us a break with your pacifistic, superior opined, alarmist non-sense.
GOD, Family, Country
Patriotism will not die in my home or church. God Bless America
Land that "I" Love
When you grow up then come back and we will try this again. Kids spouting off via the Internet is a drag. If I'm incorrect and your an adult, then i rest my case, because this country is overrun with foolishness, and it will reap what it has sowed.
Pray Church, violence is NEVER the answer.
In JESUS NAME
Brother Benincasa
trickledown
09-05-2008, 11:16 PM
Pacifest should research what turning the other cheek really means in the greek as applied to the time of the early church. Like I said, you sound like an Apostolic Reverend Wright. America hasn't been an Empire Builder for over 150 years. What late night am radio whackos do you get your ideas from? Or do you simply take the best lines from the Michael Moore leftist blogosphere and use them with your righteous indignation. My head isn't in the sand. Just as I have attended Pentecostal churches with many perverts and sinners over the years, so do I live in a country that is corrupt and has a percentage of the populace that is in opposition to God, however both those churches AND this country have still been agents for God's work in this world. US soldiers fighting Nazi Germany saved the Jews and the world. US political influence provided a nation for them. US nukes have kept them since. Our money would be no better than welfare for them without our might to back them up.
Again study the intent of "turning the other cheek" before somebody comes after you or your family. I don't take bloodshed lightly but pacifism is not a Bible Doctrine but a man made perversion just as surely as triune God is.
trickledown
09-05-2008, 11:39 PM
Brother Benincasa
Do you and yours give the pledge or are you like a Jehovah's Witness who refuses?
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
We do around here and at every church that I have attended. I take that pledge and this country seriously. Enjoy your time being in the world and not of it.
People with anti-american views are not welcome to share the pulpit I use.
GOD, Family, Country
Patriotism will not die in my home or church. God Bless America
Land that "I" Love
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 08:29 AM
Well said, MOW!
Sorry, Bro. Burk you are reading many things into what you are reading and hearing, she did not say the Iraq war was God's war. She was saying that God has a plan in this world and that we should pray for it. BTW, the Iraq war is a part of what God is doing in the world, but He has a different view of it than most of us.
Not "WE," but "THEY." She was addressing the Wasilla Assembly of God. That is a KEY point. If she hadn't become McCain's VP choice, other than THAT congregation, the world probably would have never known what she said that day. But the issue is, THAT congregation did know, because she was speaking her words to THEM.
All those here who think I have a reading problem, you should reread what Palin said in juxtaposition with her church’s belief. Without doing that, you are taking her statement out of context. Look again at her words:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending out on a task [u]that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html))
Palin said THEY needed to pray that the soldiers were doing “WHAT IS RIGHT.” She knew what her church believes about that war. So when you connect Palin’s statements with those made by her Senior Pastor at that church, you see she was referring to praying that the soldiers are sent there to do the “task” they should in GOD'S WAR. I am not reading anything into what she said. I am only following along with what's commonly believed in THAT church.
The Master's Commission is a study program that many church have to train young folks into Christian ministry, it is not what you alluded to. Kenneth Phillips church has this type of training.
Thanks for the heads up, but I did look into this before posting.
And what exactly did I wrongly allude to? I said that the Wasilla Assembly of God has that school, that Palin addressed them while speaking, and that they use men like Todd Bently as prophetic references on their website. What part of that is wrong?
Interesting point you bring up.... Did you know that Kenneth Phillips is into DOMINION THEOLOGY as well? While preaching at the 2007 AWCF World Conference, Phillip's then side-kick, Jonathan Suber, shouted to the congregation: "I've came here to release dominion theology. I've come to release kingdom theology." I have a recording of Suber saying this on my computer. Before posting, I listened to it to check my accuracy. With all due respect, crakjak, you're just confirming that my concern is justified.
You sound like you are leaning into the conspiracy crowd's thinking.
To be honest, all true Christian’s are into conspiracy thinking. We all teach, preach, and believe that Hell has a plan against the Church of Jesus Christ. Because so, yes, I do aspire to such belief. But a Christian has to balance such a view with the fact that they are not at war with “flesh and blood.” Because so, I’ve not said anything against Sarah Palin’s person. I’ve not said she’s a bad or deranged individual possessed with an evil agenda. No, what I’ve posted is my concerns about her beliefs and where those beliefs could lead. There is a BIG difference between the two.
Also, do you really believe Dominion Theologists do not have a plan? Brother, that is what they are all about! That is not my imagination. It is in their teachings—plain and simple.
Instead of trying to poison my well by suggesting my concerns are all a figment of an overly-suspicious mind, maybe you could try to prove my information wrong with some sources of your own?? All you have to do is show that Palin, her senior pastor, her church, and her church’s school are NOT into dominion or kingdom theology. But, because there is no such evidence, that’s a problem, isn’t it? And the evidence that is found, as far that I can find, leads to just the opposite conclusion.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong. I pray that we have a safe country and godly leadership. But I also can't live in denial. It is what it is. Knowing that helps me to pray as I should.
crakjak
09-06-2008, 08:45 AM
Not "WE," but "THEY." She was addressing the Wasilla Assembly of God. That is a KEY point. If she hadn't become McCain's VP choice, other than THAT congregation, the world probably would have never known what she said that day. But the issue is, THAT congregation did know, because she was speaking her words to THEM.
All those here who think I have a reading problem, you should reread what Palin said in juxtaposition with her church’s belief. Without doing that, you are taking her statement out of context. Look again at her words:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending out on a task [u]that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html))
Palin said THEY needed to pray that the soldiers were doing “WHAT IS RIGHT.” She knew what her church believes about that war. So when you connect Palin’s statements with those made by her Senior Pastor at that church, you see she was referring to praying that the soldiers are sent there to do the “task” they should in GOD'S WAR. I am not reading anything into what she said. I am only following along with what's commonly believed in THAT church.
Thanks for the heads up, but I did look into this before posting.
And what exactly did I wrongly allude to? I said that the Wasilla Assembly of God has that school, that Palin addressed them while speaking, and that they use men like Todd Bently as prophetic references on their website. What part of that is wrong?
Interesting point you bring up.... Did you know that Kenneth Phillips is into DOMINION THEOLOGY as well? While preaching at the 2007 AWCF World Conference, Phillip's then side-kick, Jonathan Suber, shouted to the congregation: "I've came here to release dominion theology. I've come to release kingdom theology." I have a recording of Suber saying this on my computer. Before posting, I listened to it to check my accuracy. With all due respect, crakjak, you're just confirming that my concern is justified.
To be honest, all true Christian’s are into conspiracy thinking. We all teach, preach, and believe that Hell has a plan against the Church of Jesus Christ. Because so, yes, I do aspire to such belief. But a Christian has to balance such a view with the fact that they are not at war with “flesh and blood.” Because so, I’ve not said anything against Sarah Palin’s person. I’ve not said she’s a bad or deranged individual possessed with an evil agenda. No, what I’ve posted is my concerns about her beliefs and where those beliefs could lead. There is a BIG difference between the two.
Also, do you really believe Dominion Theologists do not have a plan? Brother, that is what they are all about! That is not my imagination. It is in their teachings—plain and simple.
Instead of trying to poison my well by suggesting my concerns are all a figment of an overly-suspicious mind, maybe you could try to prove my information wrong with some sources of your own?? All you have to do is show that Palin, her senior pastor, her church, and her church’s school are NOT into dominion or kingdom theology. But, because there is no such evidence, that’s a problem, isn’t it? And the evidence that is found, as far that I can find, leads to just the opposite conclusion.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong. I pray that we have a safe country and godly leadership. But I also can't live in denial. It is what it is. Knowing that helps me to pray as I should.
Exactly how do you define Dominion Theology?
I do know that the Master's Program is not what you described, it is a well seasoned training for ministry and is not something to be feared. Whether or not KP is into DT I do not know.
I believe God is in charge and will bring about all His purposes, man makes many plans but it is the plan of God that is prevailing. Therefore, I will not join the ranks of the "fearful and the unbelieving".
Michael The Disciple
09-06-2008, 09:51 AM
Hey Burk,
Can you show actual proof of connection of Todd Bently and Pete Wagner? And I do NOT accept as proof that they have prophesied or spoke something about the state of Alaska.
I searched the net about "Masters Commision" and it seemed to be some spiritual boot camp for young people. I never saw anything about Wagner.
OP_Carl
09-06-2008, 11:40 AM
Like I said in the beginning, I am not into politics at all. My King is Jesus. Whatever Leader He puts into office is His choice, and because so, that’s okay with me.
But I do find it ironic that some of you here saying that it doesn't matter what a politician believes are the same ones who would have a problem with a Muslim being president. Now you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that a politician’s religious influence wouldn’t cloud her political decisions, and then say it would if the person is Muslim.
I find it ironic that you are still talking at all. You've been thoroughly discredited in this thread.
Was your misinterpretation of Sarah Palin's prayer request due to misreading, or misrepresentation? Will you now say that it was an oopsie? That you missed that she was requesting prayer, not declaring that our soldiers are on a "mission from God?" :helicopter
Why folks are proceeding with you in conversation is completely beyond me. You are either going to not understand what you are reading, or you'll twist our words around to suit your agenda. Either way, other people's efforts with you will be fruitless.
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 11:49 AM
Hey Burk,
Can you show actual proof of connection of Todd Bently and Pete Wagner? And I do NOT accept as proof that they have prophesied or spoke something about the state of Alaska.
I searched the net about "Masters Commision" and it seemed to be some spiritual boot camp for young people. I never saw anything about Wagner.
I showed this on another thread.
Leader of the "Lakeland Outpouring," Todd Bentley, was commissioned (http://www.charismamag.com/cms/news/archives/0624082.php) by C Peter Wagner and cronies from his International Coalition of Apostles (http://www.apostlesnet.net/) (ICA) on June 23, 2008. Their service gave Bentley many "prophetic" accolades, which foretold of a long and God-ordained future for his ministry. Then a few short weeks later, Bentley was caught in an unhealthy emotional relationshipwith a female staff member. Talk about discernment! Anyway, Wagner’s ICA claims to be "apostolic." Are they? If so, was/is Todd Bentley Apostolic? Here is a portion of Bentley's commissioning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkrtac7IgXs
As far as the “Master’s Commission,” this is where that is found.
While looking to find what churches and preachers Palin's church associated with, I decided to look into something she mentioned during her June 8th appearance at the Wasilla Assembly of God church. On a couple occasions she referenced folks in the congregation as being a part of the “Master’s Commission.” I did a Google search and found there is a Bible school in Wasilla of that name and that they are a part of the Wasilla Assembly of God (SEE HERE (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)). They have a website which I went to. That site has an option “About Us.” The first choice on that page is entitled, “About Alaska (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)". Once there you'll see that the very first paragraph says:
“Alaska has a divine destiny that has been spoken about by many church leaders and prophetic leaders from all over the world such as Dutch Sheets, TODD BENTLY, Steve Thompson, Woody Woodson, and Dr. Cho just to name a few.”
Look up DUTCH SHEETS (http://www.apostlesnet.net/pdf/ICA-Short-Directory.pdf) and you'll find the connections.
MissBrattified
09-06-2008, 11:57 AM
My sister goes to Bro. Phillips' church, and she has mentioned their "Master's Commission" program in a very positive light. It has more to do with them serving the church and community fulltime than anything else, from what I understand. I think (I could be wrong) those who participate take 1-2 years and devote it completely to the church.
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 12:49 PM
In a nut shell, Dominion Theology believes the Church is mandated to take dominion over peoples, monetary systems, governments, armies, and religions of the world. Once completed (or mostly completed, depending on who you read after), then Jesus can return.
As far as whether Kenneth Phillip believes this, his message at the 2007 AWCF World Congress confirms he does.
Phillips preached a message at AWCF that he entitled “Operation Shekinah, Expanding the Eastern Boundary.” The AWCF no longer offers this online, but Phillips preached this same message at his home church and they have that version on their website (http://www.promiselandchurch.net/content/view/112/167/). If you go 47 minutes into that video (mms://66.232.148.34/May6-7700V-300k.wmv) he begins speaking. During the first few minutes he mentions preaching this at the AWCF meeting in Evansville, Indiana, and that he has preached the same message for a long time. He also says that he prays for “Operation Shekinah” every day and before he goes to bed. So it is evident that he feels very strongly about what it is.
It is not until 52 minutes that he actually talks about “Operation Shekinah.” He begins by saying that the reason the United States is a “blessed nation” is because “of their blessing of the Jews.” Then at 54:39 he states “This is what the war with Iraq is all about. This is what Iran is about. This is what it’s ALL ABOUT.” 58:30 he says the headlines of our papers are found in our Bibles. He then reads from his Bible about many of the ancient enemies of Israel, and then pushes them forward 2,000 years due to Jewish “arrogance.”
But a biggie is found at 1:02. There he starts into the backbone of Dominion Theology. He states there that Jesus “has to get everything ready for His return.” 1:03:39 he says, “He [Jesus] has got to get ready for His coming. And His people have got to get ready for His coming.” Phillips is not referring to getting saved here; he is speaking of expanding the physical borders of Israel “eight times larger than we know it today.”
Speaking about these larger borders, at 1:04:45 he says, “That’s the reason the President needs a prophet right by him. A President needs someone to interpret the Word of God. Don’t go over there expecting to successfully trade land for peace.” And if Palin believes Dominion theology, can anyone really believe her belief would NOT affect her policy decisions?
Phillips goes on to explain that this land needs to be taken because “God’s getting ready to come back and occupy that land.” And the reason Phillips gives for the Iraqi war (1:05:47) is because “the river Euphrates runs right down through Bagdad.” Then at 1:07 he says, “I’ve just told you why America is in Iraq. I’ve told you why Iran will soon be attacked, possibly in the late summer. I’ve just told you that God is taking back all of the land He gave to the Jews in its original concept.”
At 1:07:24 Phillips tells us what Operation Shekinah is, which is a Jewish military operation designed to capture Iraq and Iran. This is what he prays daily about? He prays that God would have men and women die so that another people could take their land? And this is Jesus' will?
Phillips then ties this in with why the World Trade Center buildings were attacked. He talks about why there are a lot of countries in the world that would not want to see Israel control the oil in those countries. Because of 9/11, he claims it was put off, but was later picked back up and became the policy of President Bush.
At 1:19:35 he claims: “We are now obeying the Great Commission which is going to bring the Messiah back to this earth.” Where does Jesus or His Apostles say anything about that?
The end of this has him preaching an ecumenical message that includes souls entering the kingdom of God regardless of Acts 2:38. He mentions a “Pentecostal Church in Korea” that runs 2-million in service. That must be Rev. Cho’s church. This is the same Cho found on Palin's Wasilla Assembly of God's school website. Cho is not Apostolic, and his teachings have been described as being akin to New Age.
Bottom line, those advocating Dominion Theology teach that the New Covenant is fulfilled through human efforts such as politics and war. This is completely contrary to the Teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. The Church needs to wake up, stop looking to people and politicians for their answers, and instead seek Jesus’ face in prayer!
Evang.Benincasa
09-06-2008, 12:52 PM
was an oopsie?
No it's an OP...Carl!
Evang.Benincasa
09-06-2008, 01:01 PM
Brother Benincasa
Do you and yours give the pledge or are you like a Jehovah's Witness who refuses?
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
We do around here and at every church that I have attended. I take that pledge and this country seriously. Enjoy your time being in the world and not of it.
People with anti-american views are not welcome to share the pulpit I use.
GOD, Family, Country
Patriotism will not die in my home or church. God Bless America
Land that "I" Love
You see your avatar, see how the little man is going backwards?
Well that is you.
jaxfam6
09-06-2008, 01:08 PM
"And if Palin believes Dominion theology, can anyone really believe her belief would NOT affect her policy decisions?"
Here is my opinion and it has been for some time. Democrats are not going to do what needs to be done for things to work out as needed in the middle east. If she believes this "theology" that you speak of and it scares you then maybe you are not ready for things to start to come to a head. I say if she is the one that is needed and if that way of thinking is needed to get things ready for the bride to be raptured out of here then more power to her and to dominion theology. I look forward to the day when we are taken from this world to be with Him forever.
I have said for years that it will take a Republican with a STRONG church back ground to do what needs to be done for things to fall into place.
Go ahead accuse me of dominion theology. Never heard of it before now and don't really care. I still believe that God can come back for his bride at any time but if I follow the scriptures it sure looks to me like a few things need to take place in the middle east for the anti-Christ to step onto the scene. If it takes an AoG raised trinity pentecostal girl to get it accomplished then let go Sarah. Get it done so we can be taken out of here.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 01:40 PM
I have said for years that it will take a Republican with a STRONG church back ground to do what needs to be done for things to fall into place.
Go ahead accuse me of dominion theology. Never heard of it before now and don't really care. I still believe that God can come back for his bride at any time but if I follow the scriptures it sure looks to me like a few things need to take place in the middle east for the anti-Christ to step onto the scene. If it takes an AoG raised trinity pentecostal girl to get it accomplished then let go Sarah. Get it done so we can be taken out of here.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
Do you care that neither Jesus nor the Apostles mentioned anything about killing other people to take their land for a "physical" kingdom?
jaxfam6
09-06-2008, 01:50 PM
Do you care that neither Jesus nor the Apostles mentioned anything about killing other people to take their land for a "physical" kingdom?
You know, I do not care. I am saying that there are things that need to be in place and if God uses this woman to get them in place that is His business.
See God is in control of it all. The nations are still his and he puts in office and takes out of office as He sees fit. If it takes this "theology" that you speak of to accomplish it then so be it. That is up to God.
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 02:00 PM
You know, I do not care. I am saying that there are things that need to be in place and if God uses this woman to get them in place that is His business.
See God is in control of it all. The nations are still his and he puts in office and takes out of office as He sees fit. If it takes this "theology" that you speak of to accomplish it then so be it. That is up to God.
Wow! So you don't care if Jesus approves??
If you don't care whether its biblical or not, how can you then apply biblical significance to it? :crazy
Bro-Larry
09-06-2008, 03:52 PM
You don't believe it, or you don't want to believe it??
I posted more than just Wikipedia. I even stated that I knew why it is not considered reliable. Did you really look at all I listed? I gave the video of her speaking at her church and also her church school's website. I only used Wikipedia to show that her position is becoming an issue.
TKB, !! Hey Bro. Have you checked lately to see who is the Speaker of the House?
We have Nancy Paloski and those other dweebs in high office in Washington, and you're worried about Sarah Palin?
Git a grip on reality Bro. :snapout :aaa
Bro-Larry
09-06-2008, 04:05 PM
In a nut shell, Dominion Theology believes the Church is mandated to take dominion over peoples, monetary systems, governments, armies, and religions of the world. Once completed (or mostly completed, depending on who you read after), then Jesus can return.
Please tell me why you think the above described scenario, would not be better than the world situation as it is now?
Aquila
09-06-2008, 04:11 PM
I am sorry it is late, I will have to look at it all later-although I viewed the video earlier(it looks the same) and "word" she had was a scripture out of Ephesians.
Yeah I seriously doubt anyone could get away with running the country by prophesy.
I don't think we'll ever see a leader lead this country by prophetic utterance. But I do think we are terribly close to having our country led by individuals who believe they are being guided by prophetic utterance. While not overtly leading a theocracy, it's possible that our country is being slowly taken over by very theocratic individuals and that will greatly influence policy. For example, a theocratic politician may feel that Russia is a threat to the free world and that we should act quickly to eliminate them as a threat. After much "prayer" they feel God desires them to launch strategic nuclear strikes against Russia to eliminate their military and economic power. Hundreds of thousands might die within an hour if the decision is carried out. They consult their "spiritual" advisers from their dominionist church and find that all advisers feel that such a move would be "from God". The only thing the American people know is....on Sunday, September 7th, at 1:43 PM the United States launched a series of strategic nuclear strikes against Russia. The news is reeling with the press secretary presenting "evidence" as to why this was necessary and the whole world begins to spin into an insanity I can't describe.
TRFrance
09-06-2008, 04:16 PM
TKB, !! Hey Bro. Have you checked lately to see who is the Speaker of the House?
We have Nancy Paloski and those other dweebs in high office in Washington, and you're worried about Sarah Palin?
Git a grip on reality Bro. :snapout :aaa
Indeed. People like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, and Barack Obama are much more of a threat to our nation than Sarah Palin is.
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 04:26 PM
TKB, !! Hey Bro. Have you checked lately to see who is the Speaker of the House?
We have Nancy Paloski and those other dweebs in high office in Washington, and you're worried about Sarah Palin?
Git a grip on reality Bro. :snapout :aaa
Indeed. People like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, and Barack Obama are much more of a threat to our nation than Sarah Palin is.
Talk about a bad pitch! Ouch! :club
Where'd I ever say anything to lead either of you to this? I keep saying "JESUS," and you come up with a messed up world and Nancy Pelosi and company? When did I ever say anyone had to make a choice like that? Why not just take the subject at hand for what it is?
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 05:25 PM
Please tell me why you think the above described scenario, would not be better than the world situation as it is now?
What? You can't see how a political leader ordering wars against people who they felt were blocking "the will of God" and the "coming of Jesus" is many times worse? Are you serious? It is one thing to be a sinner and act like one. It is another to sin in Jesus’ name.
The Pilgrims fled a government that persecuted those who did not agree with their view of “Christianity.” The Apostolic Church similarly has suffered for years in many of the countries that under the control of the Roman Catholic Church. Let’s not forget about the war between the southern Catholics and the northern Protestants of Ireland. Their religious fighting just ended a few years ago.
God help us if such a scenario should ever come to Washington; that the USA would use its power to wage a physical war against those she saw as the enemies of Jesus Christ! Will it ever happen? According to Sarah Palin’s senior pastor, it already is.
Walk and Talk
09-06-2008, 07:53 PM
It seems many churches, ministers, and ministries thought Todd Bently was the latest gift from God. Too many times these days people are looking for a spiritual crystal ball in any form. Todd was speaking things that tickled the ears, and people looked no further. Discernment is woefully lacking in almost all our churches. Too often what is called discernment is not.
Many of these supporters of Todd Bently are now hanging their head in shame for not using discernment. Hopefully her church is repenting of that support of him and his like.
It isn't just that he was doing bizarre things, it should have been clear to all when he said that two angels were giving him his power and anointing. It should have been very clear when he said the angel Emma was feminine and soft in nature. Angel glorification is growing fast in our churches. You don't even need discernment to know this is wrong.
Anyway, hopefully her church has seen the light and will quit seeking any spiritual crystal ball that will tell them what they want to hear.
Walk
Indeed. People like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, and Barack Obama are much more of a threat to our nation than Sarah Palin is.
Once upon a time, there was a young charismatic and eloquent young leader who decided his Nation need a change and that he was the one to implement it. The people were receptive and ready for a change. He spoke passionately when denouncing the existing system, and the media loved him. Nobody questioned what he believed in or whom his friends were. He would help the poor and bring free medical care and education to all. He would bring justice and equality. He said: "I am for hope and change and I will bring you both." Nobody bothered to ask about the change, so by the time the executioners’ guns went silent, all personal firearms had been confiscated. When everyone was finally equal, they were equally poor, hungry and miserable. Their free education was worthless. When the change was fully implemented, the country had been reduced to a Third World status. More than a million people fled in small boats and rafts. The charismatic young leader was Fidel Castro; the nation, Cuba.
The citizens of the United States would never fall for a charismatic, eloquent young leader who promises hope and change without asking,“What change, and how much will it cost us?”—would we?
TK Burk
09-06-2008, 09:22 PM
Once upon a time, there was a young charismatic and eloquent young leader who decided his Nation need a change and that he was the one to implement it. The people were receptive and ready for a change. He spoke passionately when denouncing the existing system, and the media loved him. Nobody questioned what he believed in or whom his friends were. He would help the poor and bring free medical care and education to all. He would bring justice and equality. He said: "I am for hope and change and I will bring you both." Nobody bothered to ask about the change, so by the time the executioners’ guns went silent, all personal firearms had been confiscated. When everyone was finally equal, they were equally poor, hungry and miserable. Their free education was worthless. When the change was fully implemented, the country had been reduced to a Third World status. More than a million people fled in small boats and rafts. The charismatic young leader was Fidel Castro; the nation, Cuba.
The citizens of the United States would never fall for a charismatic, eloquent young leader who promises hope and change without asking,“What change, and how much will it cost us?”—would we?
If only Fidel had made the baseball team, huh? :ursofunny
Your post reminded me of a quote credited to Hitler: "What luck for leaders that men do not think."
jaxfam6
09-06-2008, 11:38 PM
Do you care that neither Jesus nor the Apostles mentioned anything about killing other people to take their land for a "physical" kingdom?
Wow! So you don't care if Jesus approves??
If you don't care whether its biblical or not, how can you then apply biblical significance to it? :crazy
Where in the top did you mention Jesus approval? You asked If I cared that Jesus nor the apostles mentioned anything about killing other people to take their land
My response was no I do not care that they did not mention it in the Bible.
Now you are implying that I do not care if Jesus approves of things. Hmmm LONG STRETCH don't you think?
You seem very worried over things in the middle east being brought to a head so that the bride can be taken out of this world. Do you love this world more than you love God? I would hope not.
You see just cause it is not written in the Bible does not mean that it can not be used to bring things about. God can do what ever He wants. He can use who ever He wants. I do not care how it happens I just want to go out of this world and start living eternally with Him. God use what ever means you need to use to get it accomplished.
trickledown
09-07-2008, 12:15 AM
You see your avatar, see how the little man is going backwards?
Well that is you.
Do you give the pledge? Do you have any belief in patriotism? Can you answer straight questions?
Is your only response to straight questioning that I must be a child and to reference my avatar?
TK Burk
09-07-2008, 09:25 AM
Where in the top did you mention Jesus approval? You asked If I cared that Jesus nor the apostles mentioned anything about killing other people to take their land
My response was no I do not care that they did not mention it in the Bible.
And you can't understand why I questioned you as I did?
Now you are implying that I do not care if Jesus approves of things. Hmmm LONG STRETCH don't you think?
Not at all. If you can’t figure why I said this, then you need to reread what you first said...
Here is my opinion and it has been for some time. Democrats are not going to do what needs to be done for things to work out as needed in the middle east. If she believes this "theology" that you speak of and it scares you then maybe you are not ready for things to start to come to a head. I say if she is the one that is needed and if that way of thinking is needed to get things ready for the bride to be raptured out of here then more power to her and to dominion theology. I look forward to the day when we are taken from this world to be with Him forever.
I have said for years that it will take a Republican with a STRONG church back ground to do what needs to be done for things to fall into place.
Go ahead accuse me of dominion theology. Never heard of it before now and don't really care. I still believe that God can come back for his bride at any time but if I follow the scriptures it sure looks to me like a few things need to take place in the middle east for the anti-Christ to step onto the scene. If it takes an AoG raised trinity pentecostal girl to get it accomplished then let go Sarah. Get it done so we can be taken out of here.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
My questioning about you not caring came from me saying the Bible never says killing people and taking their land must occur before any future coming of Jesus Christ can happen. All over your post you said that this did not matter to you. That, my friend, is scary!
You seem very worried over things in the middle east being brought to a head so that the bride can be taken out of this world.
I know you said you don't care if Jesus or his apostles said anything about this, but you keep tying these two together by claiming it is biblical. Now how can it be biblical, and you not caring whether or not it is in the Bible??
Another thing, if you do claim it is biblical, can you give the book, chapter, and verse where it's found? I can't find anything like you're proposing, can you?
Do you love this world more than you love God? I would hope not.
Now who's stretching what? So, I'm the bad guy because I want Bible?
You see just cause it is not written in the Bible does not mean that it can not be used to bring things about.
There you go. So you adhere to "New Word" doctrine.
Where did Jesus ever say He would do anything beyond what is written in the Bible?
God can do what ever He wants.
No He can't. He cannot go against His Word.
He can use who ever He wants. I do not care how it happens I just want to go out of this world and start living eternally with Him. God use what ever means you need to use to get it accomplished.
There you go kind readers; jaxfam just demonstrated why the Apostolic Church is falling, brick by brick. Once you go down the road he's advocating, once you remove the importance of following God's Word, once you allow your God to do or be anything "He desires" regardless how opposite the behavior may be to His Word, then you've opened up a huge door that leads to every false teaching and teacher this world offers.
Evang.Benincasa
09-07-2008, 01:59 PM
Do you give the pledge? Do you have any belief in patriotism? Can you answer straight questions?
Is your only response to straight questioning that I must be a child and to reference my avatar?
No my reference to your avatar is that you are proceeding in a backward motion.
Yes I pledge to Jesus Christ.
Evang.Benincasa
09-07-2008, 02:09 PM
There you go kind readers; jaxfam just demonstrated why the Apostolic Church is falling, brick by brick. Once you go down the road he's advocating, once you remove the importance of following God's Word, once you allow your God to do or be anything "He desires" regardless how opposite the behavior may be to His Word, then you've opened up a huge door that leads to every false teaching and teacher this world offers.
31 Flavors is that what these guys want? Their own personal Jesus?
Their own beliefs marinated in Kabbalist philosophy and not one Bible scripture to defend their doctrine? I guess Sarah Palin and John McCain are the two witnesses of Rev 11?
:ursofunny
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
jaxfam6
09-07-2008, 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
Where in the top did you mention Jesus approval? You asked If I cared that Jesus nor the apostles mentioned anything about killing other people to take their land
My response was no I do not care that they did not mention it in the Bible.
And you can't understand why I questioned you as I did?
What is wrong with me saying I do not care that it is not mentioned? Do have scripture and verse that states that there will be no blood shed, no killing to take back their land?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
Now you are implying that I do not care if Jesus approves of things. Hmmm LONG STRETCH don't you think?
Not at all. If you can’t figure why I said this, then you need to reread what you first said...
I suppose that in your little boxed in world view of things you would not find it a stretch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
Here is my opinion and it has been for some time. Democrats are not going to do what needs to be done for things to work out as needed in the middle east. If she believes this "theology" that you speak of and it scares you then maybe you are not ready for things to start to come to a head. I say if she is the one that is needed and if that way of thinking is needed to get things ready for the bride to be raptured out of here then more power to her and to dominion theology. I look forward to the day when we are taken from this world to be with Him forever.
I have said for years that it will take a Republican with a STRONG church back ground to do what needs to be done for things to fall into place.
Go ahead accuse me of dominion theology. Never heard of it before now and don't really care. I still believe that God can come back for his bride at any time but if I follow the scriptures it sure looks to me like a few things need to take place in the middle east for the anti-Christ to step onto the scene. If it takes an AoG raised trinity pentecostal girl to get it accomplished then let go Sarah. Get it done so we can be taken out of here.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
My questioning about you not caring came from me saying the Bible never says killing people and taking their land must occur before any future coming of Jesus Christ can happen. All over your post you said that this did not matter to you. That, my friend, is scary!
Where in my post does it say that killing is okay? My post was saying that I do not care what means God takes to accomplish what he needs to accomplish to set the stage for the anti-Christ to step on the scene and bring peace to the world. If it takes this 'theology' that you seem have a problem with, which I have never heard of till you brought it up, and still do not care about, to bring it all about so be it. GOD CAN USE WHOMEVER HE WANTS.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
You seem very worried over things in the middle east being brought to a head so that the bride can be taken out of this world.
I know you said you don't care if Jesus or his apostles said anything about this, but you keep tying these two together by claiming it is biblical. Now how can it be biblical, and you not caring whether or not it is in the Bible??
Another thing, if you do claim it is biblical, can you give the book, chapter, and verse where it's found? I can't find anything like you're proposing, can you?
I have tied nothing together. You want to say that the Bible doesn't say they will kill others to take back land but you seem to not be producing scripture that says they will not have to either. It does not take a genius to understand that the middle east is not yet to a boiling point that will allow for the anti-Christ to step on the scene and EVERY NATION accept him. The nations do not seem to be tired enough of the terrorist there that run things with the backing of their religion. You want them to finally be tired of it get them fighting with each other more and more. It may not even take Israel to step up and show force. If they just get the countries really fighting with each other. Who can do that? If israel steps up they will all gang up on Israel but let another country that backs Israel keep doing what it is currently doing and getting into EVERYONES business and get Iran against Iraq and other middle east countries involved and that will be enough. You get them fighting among themselves more and they will start getting tired of it as well as the rest of the world. THEN YOU HAVE A STAGE THAT WILL BE RIPE FOR THE PICKING.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
Do you love this world more than you love God? I would hope not.
Now who's stretching what? So, I'm the bad guy because I want Bible?
Why is my question stretching it? Are you the bad guy? Who accused you of not wanting the Bible? You can have the Bible and there can still be a need for killing over there. You do not have scripture to say there will not be.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
You see just cause it is not written in the Bible does not mean that it can not be used to bring things about.
There you go. So you adhere to "New Word" doctrine.
Where did Jesus ever say He would do anything beyond what is written in the Bible?
Why are you afraid of Him doing something that is not written in the word? Just because He did not say that Israel will not have to kill to take back land does not mean that it will not have to happen either. Did God say that America would fight the Revolutionary war or the Civil war or any other war for that matter? The Bible does say that there would be wars and rumors of wars. That is all it takes, any nation, any people.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
God can do what ever He wants.
No He can't. He cannot go against His Word.
Yes my friend He can. He can do whatever He wants. He is GOD after all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
He can use who ever He wants. I do not care how it happens I just want to go out of this world and start living eternally with Him. God use what ever means you need to use to get it accomplished.
There you go kind readers; jaxfam just demonstrated why the Apostolic Church is falling, brick by brick. Once you go down the road he's advocating, once you remove the importance of following God's Word, once you allow your God to do or be anything "He desires" regardless how opposite the behavior may be to His Word, then you've opened up a huge door that leads to every false teaching and teacher this world offers.
There you go folks I am the main cause of the fall of the Apostolic church. Me and me alone. I have encouraged you all to stop following the Bible. (please if anyone can find where I did that show me)
God help those that are afraid to think outside the BOX.
Stop their funeral and raise them up. Place life back into them. Place some wisdom and into their boxed up minds and help them get out of their own little world.
ReformedDave
09-07-2008, 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6
God can do what ever He wants.
No He can't. He cannot go against His Word.
Yes my friend He can. He can do whatever He wants. He is GOD after all.
Actually, you both are incorrect. To say He cannot go against His word is nonsensical since He is all knowing and would never say anything that is against His plan.
Also, to suggest that He could go against His own decreed word would make Him out a liar and is against His character. His word is forever fixed. If He knows something will come to pass it will.
If only Fidel had made the baseball team, huh? :ursofunny
Your post reminded me of a quote credited to Hitler: "What luck for leaders that men do not think."
You know it seems to me that years and years ago I saw a picture of what was purported to be Ol' Fidel as a movie extra dressed up like a member of Xavier Cugats band, you know the mambo shirts with the ruffled sleeves deal.
Was that genuine or a Propraganda photo to humiliate the guy? Just wondering.
31 Flavors is that what these guys want? Their own personal Jesus?
Their own beliefs marinated in Kabbalist philosophy and not one Bible scripture to defend their doctrine? I guess Sarah Palin and John McCain are the two witnesses of Rev 11?
:ursofunny
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
Sarah Palin and John McCain the two witnesses??? No that cant possibly be! Irvin Baxter already claims dibs on being one of them, and may also have someone else in mind for the other.
Hoovie
09-07-2008, 04:44 PM
Sarah Palin and John McCain the two witnesses??? No that cant possibly be! Irvin Baxter already claims dibs on being one of them, and may also have someone else in mind for the other.
You are kidding - right?
Evang.Benincasa
09-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Sarah Palin and John McCain the two witnesses??? No that cant possibly be! Irvin Baxter already claims dibs on being one of them, and may also have someone else in mind for the other.
No really it was Rabbi Chaim Richman and Irving Baxter Jr.
Sarah Palin is going to be the 6th angel, and John McCain is going to be Rayford Steele.
:ursofunny
Evang.Benincasa
09-07-2008, 06:10 PM
You are kidding - right?
TCSQ never kids around. Stone Cold seriousness in every typed vowel.
Evang.Benincasa
09-07-2008, 06:11 PM
Actually, you both are incorrect. To say He cannot go against His word is nonsensical since He is all knowing and would never say anything that is against His plan.
Also, to suggest that He could go against His own decreed word would make Him out a liar and is against His character. His word is forever fixed. If He knows something will come to pass it will.
RD, do you study the vadic writings?
TK Burk
09-07-2008, 06:58 PM
RD, do you study the vadic writings?
Elder, the way you can say so much with so little would make Ernest Hemingway proud!
TK Burk
09-07-2008, 07:02 PM
No really it was Rabbi Chaim Richman and Irving Baxter Jr.
Actually it was IB and Gershon Solomon. Solomon is the founder and leader of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement.
ReformedDave
09-07-2008, 07:11 PM
Elder, the way you can say so much with so little would make Ernest Hemingway proud!
And he commits intellectual suicide every once in a while.
Evang.Benincasa
09-07-2008, 09:03 PM
Actually it was IB and Gershon Solomon. Solomon is the founder and leader of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement.
You are correct sir!
Evang.Benincasa
09-07-2008, 09:04 PM
And he commits intellectual suicide every once in a while.
Jealous
SuzanneDeAZ
09-07-2008, 10:54 PM
So do you on this forum support dominion theology? What do you all think of Peter Wagner? Do you all go to these type churches to get impartations to bring back to your church?
SuzanneDeAZ
09-07-2008, 11:00 PM
Thank you, OP_Carl, MOW and TRFrance!! I was too tired to reply to this last night.
I am from Arizona and in my state similar prophecies have been given. So it appears that bothy Alaska and Arizona are to be refudge. check this out:
http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2081645/h/Napolitano_1_11_07_Prophetic_Word.htm
January 2007
Prophetic Word for:
The Honorable Janet Napolitano
Governor of Arizona
Through:
Robert J. Winters
President, GateKeepers International Prophetic Network
For the Lord would say, “Secure the South Gate, for I am opening the West Gate of Arizona. For you have only begun to see but a trickle from the west that will soon become a flood of multitudes seeking refuge from the shaking that is to come. For the ring of fire shall begin to rumble, and the threat of destruction will fling the west gate wide open for many to exit the Golden State. Arizona shall become the state of refuge that I have ordained it to be, and many more shall come seeking hope and a new beginning. Will you be ready for them when I send them?”
“For I have through Katrina given you but a foretaste of Arizona’s high calling to become a bastion of refuge and restoration. I have strategically planted “Joseph’s” all around you to help you wisely plan and prepare to house, clothe, feed, and employ thousands in every Arizonan city of refuge. I have given you the form and model of unity and will give you the favor to work with the marketplace and the ministries to make your dream a reality for many. For one man, one organization, one ministry, one business, one government cannot do it alone. Within three years the model must become a functioning reality in every major Arizonan city. Get ready, for the glory days of Arizona are quickly approaching”, says the Lord.”
(The preceding prophetic word compliments the prophetic insights highlighted in the “The Valley of the Son” book, chapters 14 and 15, by Robert J. Winters)
:evilglee
Michael The Disciple
09-07-2008, 11:37 PM
I have no confidence in Peter Wagners claim to Apostleship. I doubt anyone on this forum thinks he is.
SuzanneDeAZ
09-07-2008, 11:43 PM
"And if Palin believes Dominion theology, can anyone really believe her belief would NOT affect her policy decisions?"
Here is my opinion and it has been for some time. Democrats are not going to do what needs to be done for things to work out as needed in the middle east. If she believes this "theology" that you speak of and it scares you then maybe you are not ready for things to start to come to a head. I say if she is the one that is needed and if that way of thinking is needed to get things ready for the bride to be raptured out of here then more power to her and to dominion theology. I look forward to the day when we are taken from this world to be with Him forever.
I have said for years that it will take a Republican with a STRONG church back ground to do what needs to be done for things to fall into place.
Go ahead accuse me of dominion theology. Never heard of it before now and don't really care. I still believe that God can come back for his bride at any time but if I follow the scriptures it sure looks to me like a few things need to take place in the middle east for the anti-Christ to step onto the scene. If it takes an AoG raised trinity pentecostal girl to get it accomplished then let go Sarah. Get it done so we can be taken out of here.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
http://www.biblicist.org/bible/dominion.shtml
Dominion theology believes the church will build God's kingdom on earth withou Jesus. I will put the first and last paragraph of the article above in the link provided to explain further:
'First is the Christian Reconstruction movement, led by such men as Gary North and R.J. Rushdoony. Almost unknown 30 years ago, Reconstructionsim is now influencing the evangelical Church. Its leadership is aggressive, with a Postmillennialist call for Christians to take over the world before Christ can return. Postmillennialism teaches the kingdom of God is now being extended in the world by preaching the Gospel, so that the world will be Christianized during this nonliteral Millennium. Its goal is for a worldwide conquest by Christianity to take over the world for Christ. In their view, this is to be done by the Church, while Christ the King is absent from the earth, something which the Bible simply does not teach. Associated with a small number of think tanks and book publishers, Reconstructionists advocates call for the imposition of an Old Testament style theocracy, complete with capital punishment for serious offenses like adultery, homosexuality, and blasphemy. '
'During the first three centuries of the apostolic Church, which was clearly Premillennial not Postmillennial, "reconstructing society" was never entertained. Christ clearly taught "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). The Bible teaches us that the world will become more corrupt in the last days, then after the Tribulation period Christ will return and establish His millennial kingdom. Reigning over the whole earth from Jerusalem, His Capital, Israel will be made the leader of the nations, and the Church will reign with Him for a "literal" thousand years. The Church is never commanded to subdue the earth on its own, this simply will not happen until Christ returns. The Church's main responsibility is evangelism and discipleship, not political activism. Our call as believers is to change people through the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not to change society through social reformation. '
Written by Alan Torres
Carpenter
09-07-2008, 11:49 PM
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Aquila
09-08-2008, 09:27 PM
This sounds Like an Apostolic Reverend Wright. Do you believe In the US at all? It is clear to people all over the world for the last 200 years that America is a land Blessed by God. Our acts of agression have not all been ordained of God, but many have. If it were not for us, THE US, then the world would not exist as we know it. Israel would not exist. Revivals the world over would have never happened. Give us a break with your pacifistic, superior opined, alarmist non-sense.
GOD, Family, Country
Patriotism will not die in my home or church. God Bless America
Land that "I" Love
“I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’” —Schurz, “The Policy of Imperialism,” Speeches, Correspondence and Political Papers of Carl Schurz, vol. 6, pp. 119–20 (1913).
Neither candidate represents God, Family, or Country.
SuzanneDeAZ
09-08-2008, 09:47 PM
I found this online and thought it is interesting as it talks about the prophecies that some believe are related to Palin and Alaska. It is written by someone who attends Dutch Sheet's church. Dutch Sheet is next in line to be the head of the prophetic movement that Peter Wagner is involved in. I thought it was interesting to read including the comments:
http://bonya.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/dutch-sheets-on-sarah-palin/
Below is part of the letter to give you a taste of its contents:
"I believe you are aware that Dutch was used by the Lord to call prayer before the 2000 Bush election that was so close. He said this morning that this election is perhaps even more critical than 2000, because of the Supreme Court. If the right political posture is not elected, we stand to lose decades of progress and the repurcussions are enormous."
How much emphasis or faith do you all have in the prophetic, especially from those high in this prophetic movement. (ICA and NAR):dance
TRFrance
09-08-2008, 09:52 PM
Sarah Palin and John McCain the two witnesses??? No that cant possibly be! Irvin Baxter already claims dibs on being one of them, and may also have someone else in mind for the other.
Where did he ever say this?
Reference? Link please?
Or are you just kidding with that comment?
Michael The Disciple
09-08-2008, 11:17 PM
How much emphasis or faith do you all have in the prophetic, especially from those high in this prophetic movement. (ICA and NAR)
I think the prophetic is very important in the Kingdom of God. The men you are writing about to me dont seem like Prophets. For one thing what have they prophesied that came to pass? Beyond that they dont comprehend Oneness doctrine and other important foundation truths so I am skeptical of their claims.
Of course some of these "high sounding Prophets and Apostles" may have the Spirit and just still resisting its work in their lives. I like to try to find something positive there if possible.
Actually it was IB and Gershon Solomon. Solomon is the founder and leader of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement.
And you know what would really I mean
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLYYYYYYYYYY
Get me about that? Was that Brother Baxter would travel around with Gershon in tow, from church to church and when Gershon would get up i nthe pulpit FIRST THING HE WOULD SAY IN CHURCH AFTER CHURCH WAS .......
"Now I don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah the way YOU do..."
And people would run the aisles shouting spinning going bersek, and I would sit there thinking 'DO ANY OF YOU MORONS UNDERSTAND WHAT HE JUST SAID???" (Pardon my French but sometimes these words DO fit to a "t")
What he was saying is that if HE had been there two thousand years ago
HE would have been screaming "CRUCIFY HIM" Its insane how that sometimes people can literally hear what they want to hear even when the opposite is being said! Absolutely incredible!
I have had my own minor run ins with the Temple Mount Faithful in Jerusalem , including being knocked to the ground by two of them in the arcaded streets of the old city (First thought that I was about to be stabbed to death by Muslims) and let me tell you , the average Jew ESPECIALLY THE CONSERVATIVE AND ORTHODOX consider the Temple Mount Faithful to be utter Kooks along the line of the KKK, in other words they are the Jewish Ku Klux Klan who seem to have no compunction about going around collecting Christian Money that is never going to be used to rebuild the temple! And the few Jewish Apostolic Believers are flabbergasted that they (including an orthodox rabbi that is baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost and dramatically oneness in his spirit) cant get a cent of help to evangelize their own people! Temple Mount Faithful money for the temple???Ha! That money is SPENT! (And unlike some of my friends thinking, I DO believe that there will be a rebuilt temple there in Jerusalem some day....shoot me but i do) But it aint gonna happen with this band of eloquent thugs!
Anyway the whole deal is tainted...Tens if not Hundreds of Thousands of dollars given to raise RED COWS!!!! RED COWS!!!!!!!!!! Virtually NOTHING to evangelize Israel!!!
Welll someone touched my button I better shut up,
TK Burk
09-09-2008, 02:31 PM
And you know what would really I mean
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLYYYYYYYYYY
Get me about that? Was that Brother Baxter would travel around with Gershon in tow, from church to church and when Gershon would get up i nthe pulpit FIRST THING HE WOULD SAY IN CHURCH AFTER CHURCH WAS .......
"Now I don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah the way YOU do..."
And people would run the aisles shouting spinning going bersek, and I would sit there thinking 'DO ANY OF YOU MORONS UNDERSTAND WHAT HE JUST SAID???" (Pardon my French but sometimes these words DO fit to a "t")
What he was saying is that if HE had been there two thousand years ago
HE would have been screaming "CRUCIFY HIM" Its insane how that sometimes people can literally hear what they want to hear even when the opposite is being said! Absolutely incredible!
I have had my own minor run ins with the Temple Mount Faithful in Jerusalem , including being knocked to the ground by two of them in the arcaded streets of the old city (First thought that I was about to be stabbed to death by Muslims) and let me tell you , the average Jew ESPECIALLY THE CONSERVATIVE AND ORTHODOX consider the Temple Mount Faithful to be utter Kooks along the line of the KKK, in other words they are the Jewish Ku Klux Klan who seem to have no compunction about going around collecting Christian Money that is never going to be used to rebuild the temple! And the few Jewish Apostolic Believers are flabbergasted that they (including an orthodox rabbi that is baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost and dramatically oneness in his spirit) cant get a cent of help to evangelize their own people! Temple Mount Faithful money for the temple???Ha! That money is SPENT! (And unlike some of my friends thinking, I DO believe that there will be a rebuilt temple there in Jerusalem some day....shoot me but i do) But it aint gonna happen with this band of eloquent thugs!
Anyway the whole deal is tainted...Tens if not Hundreds of Thousands of dollars given to raise RED COWS!!!! RED COWS!!!!!!!!!! Virtually NOTHING to evangelize Israel!!!
Welll someone touched my button I better shut up,
Yep! I understand the sentiment….
I attended Bro. Baxter's church in Richmond, Indiana. He had Gershon in to speak while we were there. Gershon made it plain that he DID NOT believe in Jesus as we did. A visiting woman objected to him speaking and was quickly quieted. Geshon then made a huge appeal for finances to support his Temple Mount Faithful movement. When it came time for the offering, my wife and I gave him exactly the amount we felt we should--$0.00!
I have asked many times for the scriptures that say there will be a third Temple built. To date I have never been given any that say such a thing. And what gets me, is though they have no biblical reason to do so, churches still financially support organizations like Gershon’s Temple Mount Faithful, and Chaim Richman’s Temple Institute, and those dedicated to raising red heifers, all of which are dedicated to doing works that are contrary to the biblical message of Jesus Christ’s New Covenant.
Yep! I understand the sentiment….
I attended Bro. Baxter's church in Richmond, Indiana. He had Gershon in to speak while we were there. Gershon made it plain that he DID NOT believe in Jesus as we did. A visiting woman objected to him speaking and was quickly quieted. Geshon then made a huge appeal for finances to support his Temple Mount Faithful movement. When it came time for the offering, my wife and I gave him exactly the amount we felt we should--$0.00!
I have asked many times for the scriptures that say there will be a third Temple built. To date I have never been given any that say such a thing. And what gets me, is though they have no biblical reason to do so, churches still financially support organizations like Gershon’s Temple Mount Faithful, and Chaim Richman’s Temple Institute, and those dedicated to raising red heifers, all of which are dedicated to doing works that are contrary to the biblical message of Jesus Christ’s New Covenant.
EXACTLY! And you know wether you are a preterist partial preterist dispensationalist pre mid post, WHATEVER the truth remains IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS TO PUT AWAY SIN! I am not ashamed of THE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ for *****IT****** Is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth TO THE JEW FIRST AND TO THE GREEK.
No Bulls No Goats!
(I am just waiting to see some one post "But it dont say nuthin about no Heiffers!)
Anyway I WAS and AM outraged that that whole mess not only was pretty much allowed to go on in the Apostolic MOvement in General and the UPC and the PAJC in particular. Where were officials of officialdom to raise their voices about Apsotolic Churches giving their pulpits over to men who OPENLY reject Jesus Christ???!!!?!?!?! (Can you see how utterly baffling that was and is?)
I still shudder to this day when I go into a church to preach and find Endtimes Magazine available in the lobby. When will we start distributing the National Enquirer and the Star too?????????
(Can you tell I am NOT a fan of Irvin Baxter. Charlatan if ever there was one!) Fake fake fake. By the way did I say he is a fake?
Some people will buy anything I guess but really RED COWS???!!!!
mfblume
09-09-2008, 08:00 PM
EXACTLY! And you know wether you are a preterist partial preterist dispensationalist pre mid post, WHATEVER the truth remains IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS TO PUT AWAY SIN! I am not ashamed of THE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ for *****IT****** Is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth TO THE JEW FIRST AND TO THE GREEK.
No Bulls No Goats!
AMEN AND AMEN.
One oneness church had the same guy in the pulpit and the pastor NOTICEABLY AVOIDED using the name Jesus during the entire service.
When 1 John spoke of the spirit of antichrist, it was speaking of people falling back into Judaism and denying Jesus ever came in flesh -- AND NOT gnosticism, although gnosticism is antichrist, too. In John's day, backsliding into Judaism was the BIG deal. The book of Hebrews also dealt with the wholesale backsliding of Hebrew believers back into Judaism.
Does not Judaism deny that Jesus came in the flesh? THAT is the spirit of antichrist.
mfblume
09-09-2008, 08:04 PM
Do all realize that the Judaism of today is the same Pharisaism that Jesus dealt with? The Pharisees continued after the temple was destroyed in the first century, but the Sadducess could not continue without a temple. So what we have today with these Judaists is the Pharisaical element that fought Jesus at every mile, and still do.
God loves all peoples and jews, since they had the covenants and promises, says Romans 11. But Paul also said this made them enemies for the gospel's sake. But the white racist idea of enemy is hellish.
Romans 11:28 KJV As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Praxeas
09-22-2008, 12:09 AM
On June 8, 2008, Sarah Pulin spoke at her home church, the Wasilla Assembly of God. During that speech she said:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html))Did you catch that? Palin said that the Iraq war is “from God,” and that the soldiers fighting there “on a task from God.” Now I’m not going to get into the debate about whether or not a Christian can kill another human being, because that’s not the issue here. What we do need to see is that Sarah Palin believes the war being fought is a war “from God,” and that the men and women sent there are there to fight and die for God. Where would she get such a notion?
She did not say it WAS a task from God she said Pray that it was...in other words pray that it is the will of God. Pray for a plan that IS God's will. Maybe the war is NOT God's will. She sounds like she is advocating prayer for direction
How about from her home church in Wasilla, Alaska?
Since 1999, Rev. Ed Kalnins has been the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God. Kalnins believes the 9/11 attacks and subsequent Iraqi war are part of a "world war" over the Christian faith. He preaches to the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation that Jesus Christ demands that they, and all other Christians, be willing to sacrifice their lives in this type war. Here is an example of this:
“What you see in a terrorist—that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war” (READ HERE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)).So, there you go. Christians are called to fight in a physical war, which parallels an ongoing spiritual war.
ok...seemed to me he was saying we are called to fight in a SPIRITUAL war which has parallels to a physical war....hmmm
While looking to find what churches and preachers Palin's church associated with, I decided to look into something she mentioned during her June 8th appearance at the Wasilla Assembly of God church. On a couple occasions she referenced folks in the congregation as being a part of the “Master’s Commission.” I did a Google search and found there is a Bible school in Wasilla of that name and that they are a part of the Wasilla Assembly of God (SEE HERE (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)). They have a website which I went to. That site has an option “About Us.” The first choice on that page is entitled, “About Alaska (http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/)". Once there you'll see that the very first paragraph says:
“Alaska has a divine destiny that has been spoken about by many church leaders and prophetic leaders from all over the world such as Dutch Sheets, TODD BENTLY, Steve Thompson, Woody Woodson, and Dr. Cho just to name a few.”
That is not good, however is this what the Pastor feels? Maybe it was an over zealous webmaster
If a person can be found guilty by association, then the folks at this Wasilla school and church will be doing 20 to life! A Google search of the men they listed will turn up a mirage of teachings and doctrines that are contrary to what is found in the Bible. One of these is belief in Latter Rain and Dominion Theology. And let’s not forget the recent issues and controversy of Todd Bentley. Did you notice they have him second on their list of “church leaders and prophetic leaders”?
That is not evidence of association. Listing people that says that about Alaska...did it say that about THEIR church?
Now to Wikipedia; I know the concerns with accuracy of the source, but listed under “Dominion Theology,” in Wikipedia is this statement:
Dominion theology may be more nationally relevant in the US since Sarah Palin became John McCain's running mate as the Republican Party's 2008 vice presidential candidate. RECENT INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM SUGGESTS THAT SARAH PALIN IS A "DOMINIONIST STALKING HORSE"[1]. If John McCain is elected to become the 44th president of the United States and dies in his first term in office (with an actuarial probability of 13.8%[2]) then the 45th president of the United States (though not elected to that position) WOULD PROBABLY ACCEPT MAJOR ELEMENTS OF THIS THEOLOGICAL POSITION. That John McCain would nominate her indicates that, while not necessarily committed to the doctrines, the movement has his sympathies and he is seeking their financial and political support (SEE HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology)).So there you go. John McCain chose a woman as his VP running mate who is tied to a church that teaches Dominion Theology, and who follows the teachings of men like Todd Bentley. If you do not know the implications of what this doctrine may do in the White House, then you really need to study the teachings of C Peter Wagner's group.
Think about it; do you really like the idea that a (so called) prophet's or apostle's prophecy may someday be used to send our troops into a physical war that was "chosen by God"? And like she said, Alaska is a state that God chose as a "refuge state" for the "last days" (Found approximately 10 minutes and 49 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)). This shows that her prophetic views will dictate her political choices...and with the company she's used to keeping, that could become very scary!
That does not necessarily mean dominion theology. It does show a prophetic view but it does NOT show it will dictate her political choices...what company doe she keep?
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