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Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 03:14 PM
IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA WON'T WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Views: 3,420,035

TRFrance
09-06-2008, 03:23 PM
I think maybe you're giving the American sheeple too much credit.

Most Americans haven't heard what Obama has said in this ad.... and even if they did, most wouldn't recognize why those words represent a danger to our nation.

The fact is, this man shouldn't even be this close to becoming President in the first place. Even in his own Democrat party, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden were more qualified candidates; but Obama is a better orator, and that's why he's a step away from being President. Ridiculous.

If John McCain would clearly and effectively explain to America why these positions are dangerous to our country, he would win the elections hands down. Then again, I dont have a lot of confidence that John McCain will do that.

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 03:24 PM
This is the assessment and mindset of a true leader - gauging each war on it's own merits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs

McCain/Palin '08

BTW, whoever put the link up titles the clip as - John McCain Gets Owned on Meet The Press

They want to say that Tim Russert owned McCain's words on this. Apparently, the person wasn't actually listening to the clip. McCain was calculated in his view of how EACH war should be fought. He voted AGAINST the Bush's tax cuts because they were NOT balanced with controlled spending.

I think, in some instances, this man is being very misunderstood. That is my opinion on John McCain.

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 03:25 PM
I think maybe you're giving the American sheeple too much credit.

Most Americans haven't heard what Obama has said in this ad.... and even if they did, most wouldn't recognize why those words represent a danger to our nation.

The fact is, this man shouldn't even be this close to becoming President in the first place. Even in his own Democrat party, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden were more qualified candidates; but Obama is a better orator, and that's why he's a step away from being President. Ridiculous.

The ad has 3,420,035 hits. I think the American people are paying attention. :thumbsup

TalkLady
09-06-2008, 03:44 PM
The ad has 3,420,035 hits. I think the American people are paying attention. :thumbsup

I think some people would vote for him no matter what he said...They don't hear what he is saying they just like the oration.

TRFrance
09-06-2008, 03:46 PM
I think some people would vote for him if he said he was going to bomb the White House...They don't hear what he is saying they just like the oration.

Exactly. They want "change".
Many of them don't know exactly what this change is really going to look like, but they know they want "change".

People are following this guy like the Pied Piper.

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 03:50 PM
Exactly. They want "change".
Many of them don't know exactly what this change is really going to look like, but they know they want "change".

People are following this guy like the Pied Piper.

I'm not sure that is true, TRFrance. He has had no bounce or significant lead in the polls and many are asking why? Why doesn't he if he's the Messiah (lol)? KWIM?

TRFrance
09-06-2008, 04:11 PM
I think some people would vote for him no matter what he said...They don't hear what he is saying they just like the oration.

I'm not sure that is true, TRFrance. He has had no bounce or significant lead in the polls and many are asking why? Why doesn't he if he's the Messiah (lol)? KWIM?

He's still leading in the polls, even though his lead has fluctuated...
(I usually follow the one on Real Clear Politics: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html)
...and he still leads almost every electoral map I've seen.
(Like this one:http://www.rove.com/election)
(or this: http://www.270towin.com/)

The fact is, McCain still has to come from behind to win this. He can do it, but it's going to be an uphill climb.

I'm still not even convinced that these 2 (McCain/Obama) are the 2 best to choose from. In a nation of 300 million people, its amazing we couldn't come up with 2 better choices than these. So I still feel that whoever wins, America is in for some rough waters. I just support McCain because I think he wouldn't be as bad as Obama...

... which is kinda ridiculous when you think about it. It's like somebody making you choose between being shot or being stabbed! Either way, you know it's gonna be painful.

(Yeah, I'm a little pessimistic right now. ):coffee2

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 04:18 PM
He's still leading in the polls, even though his lead has fluctuated...
(I usually follow the one on Real Clear Politics: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html)
...and he still leads almost every electoral map I've seen.
(Like this one:http://www.rove.com/election)
(or this: http://www.270towin.com/)

The fact is, McCain still has to come from behind to win this. He can do it, but it's going to be an uphill climb.

I'm still not even convinced that these 2 (McCain/Obama) are the 2 best to choose from. In a nation of 300 million people, its amazing we couldn't come up with 2 better choices than these. So I still feel that whoever wins, America is in for some rough waters. I just support McCain because I think he wouldn't be as bad as Obama...

... which is kinda ridiculous when you think about it. It's like somebody making you choose between being shot or being stabbed! Either way, you know it's gonna be painful.

(Yeah, I'm a little pessimistic right now. ):coffee2

Rasmussen has usually proved to be more reliable and puts Obama one point ahead today at 46%. I read somewhere that these polls are behind by three days.

Anyway, yes, you are a pessimist. :tease

I saw something happen in this country when Kerry and Bush were in legal wranglings with the "chads". When the lawyers came together we upheld our laws that were established when this country was founded. It settled/established us back to what we stood on and for doing a service to this country. I have had hopes of many things because of that. I guess it hit me in a strong way, that we can and will prevail.

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 04:23 PM
He's still leading in the polls, even though his lead has fluctuated...
(I usually follow the one on Real Clear Politics: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html)
...and he still leads almost every electoral map I've seen.
(Like this one:http://www.rove.com/election)
(or this: http://www.270towin.com/)


Why are you pessimistic after reading Rove's link?

"A week of the GOP convention and the Labor Day holiday made for just a few polls over the past week. The only state to change classifications was Florida, where McCain’s lead slipped within the margin of error to make the state again a toss-up. Obama continues to lead with 260 electoral votes to McCain’s 194, and 84 as a toss-up, but note that the toss-up states are still in play for McCain — only in one of them (New Hampshire) does he trail within the margin of error. Look for more dramatic changes over the next few weeks as state polls begin to take the race’s new dynamics into account."

TRFrance
09-06-2008, 04:25 PM
Rasmussen has usually proved to be more reliable and puts Obama one point ahead today at 46%. I read somewhere that these polls are behind by three days.


That's why I use RealClearPolitics.com . They average out all the major national polls, including Rasmussen. Any one poll can get it wrong, but a sit that averages all the major polls will give you a more reliable picture of things.

Anyway, broad national poll numbers don't really matter that much at this point, not nearly as much as electoral maps. Obama has the edge there, and it'll probably come down to a few battleground states like Pa, MI, and OH. Whoever wins those states will almost certainly take the election.

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 04:27 PM
That's why I use RealClearPolitics.com . They average out all the major national polls, including Rasmussen. Any one poll can get it wrong, but a sit that averages all the major polls will give you a more reliable picture of things.

Anyway, broad national poll numbers don't really matter that much at this point, not nearly as much as electoral maps. Obama has the edge there, and it'll probably come down to a few battleground states like Pa, MI, and OH. Whoever wins those states will almost certainly take the election.

So, didn't you find it very interesting that more people watched McCain than did Obama? Wouldn't you agree that they are not that shored up in favor of Obama to have done that?

Being that McCain's not a charismatic person, I found that very interesting.

And why are more men in favor of a McCain/Palin ticket? Why the men? The protectionists? Do they know that a three-house sweep is bad for the economy and the stock market?

Ferd
09-06-2008, 04:48 PM
The ad has 3,420,035 hits. I think the American people are paying attention. :thumbsup

dont confuse 3 million hits by insane liberals who think America is what is wrong with the world, with America listening.

but you are right. this is a big reason why I dont want this guy elected.

Ferd
09-06-2008, 04:50 PM
That's why I use RealClearPolitics.com . They average out all the major national polls, including Rasmussen. Any one poll can get it wrong, but a sit that averages all the major polls will give you a more reliable picture of things.

Anyway, broad national poll numbers don't really matter that much at this point, not nearly as much as electoral maps. Obama has the edge there, and it'll probably come down to a few battleground states like Pa, MI, and OH. Whoever wins those states will almost certainly take the election.

It all comes down to MO PA MI OH FL CO NV and NM.

Bottom line, if McCain holds the states that voted for GWB then he wins. If he loses MO OH or FL it is over. If he picks up MI or PA it is a big win for McCain.

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 04:55 PM
dont confuse 3 million hits by insane liberals who think America is what is wrong with the world, with America listening.

but you are right. this is a big reason why I dont want this guy elected.

I found the reference in Jerome Corsi's book, The Obama Nation. Being it's been on the NY Best Seller's List, I'm thinking a good size viewership could have come from there as well.

Details of his actual sales, from a source with access to Nielsen BookScan, show that his book has vastly outstripped other recent political titles, notably books critical of John McCain.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Corsis_sales_dwarf_antiMcCain_books.html

I'm not sure I will agree that 3,000,000 or even half were insane liberal viewers. :D

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 04:57 PM
It all comes down to MO PA MI OH FL CO NV and NM.

Bottom line, if McCain holds the states that voted for GWB then he wins. If he loses MO OH or FL it is over. If he picks up MI or PA it is a big win for McCain.
Did you know that he moved all of these states closer to the stage when he spoke and that this was the first time that anyone had such a low stage? He wanted to get down as close to their level as he could when he spoke to them. Thought that was a great idea.

dansamy
09-06-2008, 10:30 PM
The local Republicans in those states have got to be pounding the pavement and getting the word out if we're gonna have a slim hope of not being stripped bare naked for the world to beat up on by Obama.

That man scares me so much and the fanboyism I see from some of the die-hard Democratic base is just unbelievable.

Pressing-On
09-06-2008, 11:08 PM
The local Republicans in those states have got to be pounding the pavement and getting the word out if we're gonna have a slim hope of not being stripped bare naked for the world to beat up on by Obama.

That man scares me so much and the fanboyism I see from some of the die-hard Democratic base is just unbelievable.
I just don't know what they see him that guy.