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LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 11:08 AM
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
Sherri
01-10-2009, 11:14 AM
Sis. CS, I just want to say that when I met you in Memphis, you were extremely kind and loving to me and Renda, even though we obviously don't agree with your stance on everything. I have never felt any kind of hostility from you, either on here or in person.
I think we've all been attacked and misunderstood on here at times; I know I have. It's an interesting place, for sure.
I highly respect you and what you stand for and believe. I wouldn't want you to change one thing, unless of course God spoke to you and told you to. I want to be open to change too. I consider you my sister in the Lord.
LadyChocolate
01-10-2009, 11:17 AM
SISTER LadyCoonskinner:
I have met you and talked with you for just a moment, and I will say your spirit is as kind as could be..... and your post is just "right on"! I admire the stand you take and how you've fought for the right to live right!
Bravo!!!!
Now, I don't understand how people think what you do is for financial gain... that almost makes me laugh when I think about it.... Many people don't see the hurts that a pastor and wife go through... They don't see the tears you cry nor do they ever hear the prayers you pray for others. The ministry gets hurts just as much as saints do..... and many times, even more so.... No, I don't know the specific thread you are talking about so I really have no business commenting.... except to say you are right on Sista!
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 11:18 AM
Thanks Sherri. Coming from you that means alot. Not sure how many will agree with you, but it' nice to hear it from such a wonderful lady!!!
Norman
01-10-2009, 11:20 AM
Sis. CS, I don't see anything in any of that to cause you to get attacked. Hold your ground.
Glenda B
01-10-2009, 11:22 AM
Lady Coonskinner, thank you for pouring your heart out and sharing yourself with us. You are a beautiful saint of God and it shows.
A lot you have posted reminds me of one of my grandsons who is the only one in his family who is trying to live right and his mom fights him every step of the way. It is so sad when parents don't try to encourage their children to live for God.
LCS,
I very, very seriously doubt you are doing what you do for financial gain. I believe you do it because to the core of your being, you believe in what you are doing.
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
Sis Coonskinner, I don't understand it either.
No one here knows how many tears I have shed in the last 48 hours while praying about things that have been happening on this forum. My heart just aches that people can be so unkind to each other, all the while, calling themselves "Christians".
I appreciate you for taking a stand.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 11:28 AM
Lady Coonskinner, thank you for pouring your heart out and sharing yourself with us. You are a beautiful saint of God and it shows.
A lot you have posted reminds me of one of my grandsons who is the only one in his family who is trying to live right and his mom fights him every step of the way. It is so sad when parents don't try to encourage their children to live for God.
Mine did not encourage me EVER to live for God. They would have rather had me doing the things that my sister did as to not to "convict" them in their lifestyle. I didn't convict them, the life that I lived did. I tried not to be judgemental. They would laugh and mock me and what I stood for and then would ground me from church and church activities when my little sister would go carousing and partying and drinking and Lord know what else. Now they look back and regret and feel ashamed for that, but oh well, life goes on.
Michael Phelps
01-10-2009, 11:28 AM
LCS, I am an obvious, self-admitted liberal, but I totally agree with what Sherri and others have said on this thread. I have never met you, but from your posts, I perceive that you are one of the kindest and gentlest people on this forum, and you have a godly spirit.
I have sparred with your husband on occasion, but still find him to be a man of impeccable character and conviction, and I respect him immensely too.
I understand the passion from which you speak, and I also understand that of all people who may be in the ministry for financial gain and power, you and your husband are the too folks that I would LEAST think have anything at all like that in mind.
It's obvious that you folks are in the ministry because you care for people.
I understand that Rhoni's experiences in life may have brought her in contact with some cultish practices in the Apostolic church - so have mine. I, however, realize that the entire Apostolic church, including the UPCI is not like the lunatic fringe that exists in not only their ranks, but in ANY organization. I hope that Rhoni one day realizes that and truly can let go of the hurts of the past.
I'm not taking sides here at all, other than to say that I respect and appreciate you very much, and I hope that you will never completely leave this forum, because we are all enriched by your wisdom and kindness.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 11:30 AM
LCS,
I very, very seriously doubt you are doing what you do for financial gain. I believe you do it because to the core of your being, you believe in what you are doing.
You, my dear sister, are absolutely correct. You've known me for years and I haven't changed one bit. Well, hopefull, I have matured some in the last 20 years, but other than that, no deal. I believe it now just as strong if not stronger than ever.
You, my dear sister, are absolutely correct. You've known me for years and I haven't changed one bit. Well, hopefull, I have matured some in the last 20 years, but other than that, no deal. I believe it now just as strong if not stronger than ever.
Yes, I've known you from way back. You loved God then and you love Him now. I have no doubts about that.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 11:37 AM
Sis CS,
I appreciate your participation on the forum. I have not read all of the other thread but read enough to know that something happened--that for which I apologize. Your opinions and points of view are welcomed here just as much as anyone else's.
I always felt like you loved God and was very sincere and sold out in what you are doing for him and I know in God's eyes it means a lot.
Cindy
01-10-2009, 11:42 AM
Sister LCS,
I appreciate you so much, as I do others on this forum. I don't agree with everyone, but I do think that most of us are kind and caring. I react or overreact sometimes myself. And we know that we have to have a standard to live in this world. That standard is Jesus Christ. And we are not to tolerate attacks on Him, His message, or His children. So you keep standing for what you know to be true.
Brother Leo Upton is one of my favorite people. He is a great man of God.
Sister Alvear
01-10-2009, 11:55 AM
I love you my friend...sometimes we all are misunderstood...I always look forward to reading a post when I see your name...
Sister Alvear
01-10-2009, 11:57 AM
How quickly our priorities change in the face of judgment. As the Titanic was sinking, a frightened woman found her place in a lifeboat and was about to be lowered into the North Atlantic. Suddenly she thought of something she needed and asked permission to return to her stateroom before they cast off. It was early on, so she was granted three minutes and then they would leave without her.
She ran across the deck that was already slanted at a dangerous angle. She raced through the gambling room with all the money that had rolled to one side. It was ankle deep. She came to her stateroom and quickly pushed aside her diamond rings, her expensive bracelets and necklaces, reached to the shelf above her bed and grabbed three small oranges. Quickly she found her way back to the lifeboat and got in.
Now that seems incredible because thirty minutes earlier she wouldn't have chosen a crate of oranges above one of her smallest diamonds. But death had boarded the Titanic, and one blast of its awful breath had transformed all values. Instantaneously, priceless things had become worthless. Worthless things had become priceless.
That is a lesson in life for all of us...
HeavenlyOne
01-10-2009, 12:04 PM
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I want to say that the above is absolutely true and more. When I met LCS a couple months ago, both her and her husband, as well as the pastor and his family, treated me with absolute kindness and respect. They didn't even give me 'the look' that I've encountered in the past from those who judge with their eyes.
LCS and I don't agree on many things (not that it matters, because I don't have a single friend that I agree with in everything), but we have a wonderful friendship with a bond stronger than death. I love her and her family dearly, and can't wait to see them again soon.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 12:19 PM
Alright Peeps, thanks for the kind words. But this is not the reason for this thread.
I really wonder why we are painted with such a broad brush. So many times, when people get hurt, they allow bitterness to set in and will not deal with it, because it is too painful. I know, because been there, done that. You MUST deal with bitterness as it comes.
We sometimes make unwise choices and then blame the people that we are associated with and make them the scapegoat and the reason we don't allow God to heal us.
I know minister who made a mighty big mistake and had an affair on his wife. She forgave him, but she had so much trouble and never really got over her bitterness toward the lady who messed up her marriage. In her bitterness, she allowed the lady to come between her and her God. In the end, the whole family backslid and messed alot of people up. All because bitterness, not just on her part but her children's also, was not properly dealt with. My husband has never commited adultery on me and I can't imagine the pain she had to deal with, although the Lord did allow me to help carry her and be there for her, but the bitterness clouded judgement and they really have never gotten over it.
So many times, on this forum, that is what I see. Not everyone that has walked away has bitterness that is not dealt with, but many of the people have been wounded in the house of their friends, I have been many times, and I'm sure it will happen again, because I choose to love people. I can't blame them for the mistakes I choose to make. I sure don't blame an organization or a group of people. Sure, if I get hit in the head by 20 people with a white shirt on, the next white shirted person I see, I'll probably duck and hide, but that doesn't make them bad because they happen to be dressed like the other offenders. I hope I'm making sense. I'm not casting judgement on others, but my goodness folks, just because I believe holiness stronger than most of you, doesn't put on the America's Most Wanted List.
I'm just like you, I get dressed on leg at a time. I may not agree with you in some stances you take, but that doesn't make you an idiot in my book. Maybe misguided or mistaken but not an enemy. That's what we need to realize, we are not enemies, just because I don't see things the way you do. Yes, I react over my faith being attacked. I didn't call names, just made a statement and then went from being "Sister" to "Mrs." Sorry that's just not right.
Many times, I have considered leaving this place, but I have really come to love and appreciate the people on here, well, some of them...:nutso...and am thankful that I can come here and have fun and sometimes, when I need to..vent. I'm thankful that I can be myself, but if I EVER start attacking people and calling them names because I'm in a bad mood or I've had a rough week, I hope someone has enough compassion for me AND MY CALLING to say "Hey, now wait a minute.." Rico has done that in the past and made me stop and think about what I was saying. I am thankful that he cared enough for me and my reputation and my husband's ministry to call my hand on my attitude. Did I like, No...not at firtst, but he made sense when I calmed down and looked at the situation calmly.
I am not the judge.....(thank the Lord..) but I think we need to ALL take a step back and look at things with a new "set of eyes."
scotty
01-10-2009, 12:23 PM
Im not a sister in the Lord, I've never met you, I've never talked to you, I wouldn't know you if you walked up and slapped me. If anyone asked about you all I could tell them is "she cuts down endangered Alaskan Albino Pines for christmas trees".
But I can say this, if you type what you say, and from the mouth pours the heart.
I would love to have the opportunity to get to meet, talk with and know you.
Keep walking the walk, your reward will be great.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 12:26 PM
Im not a sister in the Lord, I've never met you, I've never talked to you, I wouldn't know you if you walked up and slapped me. If anyone asked about you all I could tell them is "she cuts down endangered Alaskan Albino Pines for christmas trees".
But I can say this, if you type what you say, and from the mouth pours the heart.
I would love to have the opportunity to get to meet, talk with and know you.
Keep walking the walk, your reward will be great.
You are way too funny, Scotttayyy!!!! Hopefully we can meet at some future date.
Alright Peeps, thanks for the kind words. But this is not the reason for this thread.
I really wonder why we are painted with such a broad brush. So many times, when people get hurt, they allow bitterness to set in and will not deal with it, because it is too painful. I know, because been there, done that. You MUST deal with bitterness as it comes.
We sometimes make unwise choices and then blame the people that we are associated with and make them the scapegoat and the reason we don't allow God to heal us.
Here is the difference, LCS. We have a difference in opinion of what unwise and wise choices are. We differ in what we believe. That doesn't make us better or worse than others. It doesn't make us more or less bitter than you or anybody else. It means some have made different choices and believe differently. That's all. When people make those differences in choices and belief a smudge on character, that's where the problem comes in. I might believe the UPC has cult-like tendencies....that is not a smudge on your character. If I said you have to believe like me or you are bitter, resentful, going to hell or a cult leader, that's a smudge on your character.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 12:47 PM
Here is the difference, LCS. We have a difference in opinion of what unwise and wise choices are. We differ in what we believe. That doesn't make us better or worse than others. It doesn't make us more or less bitter than you or anybody else. It means some have made different choices and believe differently. That's all. When people make those differences in choices and belief a smudge on character, that's where the problem comes in. I might believe the UPC has cult-like tendencies....that is not a smudge on your character. If I said you have to believe like me or you are bitter, resentful, going to hell or a cult leader, that's a smudge on your character.
When someone says "I don't believe the CULTISH PRACTICES of MOST APOSTOLIC CHURCHES" Most anyone who is Apostolic would take offense. To me, it was a "smudge" on my character because this is who I am and what I believe.
What was said, was said by a lady that is full of bitterness and won't allow the Lord to heal her. That is an unwise choice and EVERYBODY knows that. That's the kind of choices I'm talking about. Allowing bitterness to eat up from the inside so much that it clouds your judgement to almost everything in life. SHe had a rough time and she comes here and calls the faith I believe in a "cultish practice" that was unwise IMO.
People arent' bitter because they don't believe like me, they are bitter when they refuse to deal with issues or pain or hurt and untrust. Just because you walk away from what I call the Truth, doesn't mean you are bitter, it just means you walked away for whatever reason. Many walk away because of bitterness, but not all. I know that and respect that. Like I said, I have been hurt in the house of my friends. Badly, I almost lost my son because of the stress of that situation, I lost alot of blood and was in bed for a few weeks and never was guaranteed that I'd carry him full term. I ended up with a blood clot and was not assured that I would even live, all because I was wounded in the house of my friends, by doing what was right....I'm not perfect, did I have to pray and forgive, oh my yes, many many many times a day some times many times an hour..but God was good and He helped me. I carried bitterness for a couple of years and one night in a service, I heard a man's name and it sounded to me like someone scratching their fingernails on a chalkboard. WE had a message in tongues and the Lord said that there was someone blocking the Revival He had for us with the bitterness in their soul and didn't even realize it. It was me, I went to my husband and told him I needed him to help me and we prayed and I cried and cried, forgave the man and got victory. Have I had to pray through about it again, oh yes, and I'm sure I'll have to do it again.
God is so good.
Esther
01-10-2009, 01:01 PM
I know it is a full moon and the emotions are running rampart.
However, I have always enjoyed your post. I would consider you a friend if we were ever to meet face to face. I respect you for standing for what you believe. I may not agree 100% on the essentially of some things but have no greif with any that abides by what they have consecrated unto God. He is worthy of any sacrifice anyone is willing to give unto Him.
I am also a friend of Rhoni and I don't believe you are asking anyone to choose sides in this situation. I understand Rhoni is very hurt and only God can heal and mend the wounds.
The Lord showed a lady minister friend of mine years ago of a vision of an army with most of them wearing bandages for their wounds. And she asked the Lord whose army is this? And the Lord spoke to her and told her it is His army.
While praying and preparing for a message to speak before a women's conference many years ago, the Lord spoke to me very strongly and how upset He is for the way His children wound and shoot each other.
Many times we all allow the devil to use us without realizing it.
We so need to learn to love one another as they are. Not to condone their wrong doings, but to love them in spite of it.
I know I have been misunderstood here many times. I have come to love and respect many here. I like to tease and it sometimes doesn't come through when you have a dry sense of humor. You can't see my eyes glittering as I am holding back my laughter.
I love all the admin team and I know we all try to have a fair board here and not choose sides. But as a team we are also all different. We have our own perpectives as to how certain situations should be handled. We do not always agree, but we work together and don't hold grudges against one another.
I know I would be the first to say if I have offended anyone to please let me know, because it is has never been my intention to do so.
I do want this to be a Christian board. One that everyone acts Christ like even when they disagree.
And this board would not be a good as it is now if it wasn't for the balance of the UC, Cons, Mod, and liberals. Never heard these terms before th forum. :)
I pray that God would mend the hurts of all that have been involved in this situation.
Love you all.
When someone says "I don't believe the CULTISH PRACTICES of MOST APOSTOLIC CHURCHES" Most anyone who is Apostolic would take offense. To me, it was a "smudge" on my character because this is who I am and what I believe.
Then to be consistent, in order to not "smudge" anyone's character on this board, you are going to have to not call anything false doctrine and you are going to have to never say "I believe women cutting their hair is a sin". What was said was an opinion about a church denomination just like you have your own opinions.
What was said, was said by a lady that is full of bitterness and won't allow the Lord to heal her.
LCS, I am going to have to take issue with this. You are saying that her opinion about Apostolic churches are a huge offense to you even though this is about a church and not you and yet you are going to smudge her personal character and it is supposed to be okay.
I do not judge your love for God. I strongly belive you love God, but you are wrong in this. Enough said.
Then to be consistent, in order to not "smudge" anyone's character on this board, you are going to have to not call anything false doctrine and you are going to have to never say "I believe women cutting their hair is a sin". What was said was an opinion about a church denomination just like you have your own opinions.
LCS, I am going to have to take issue with this. You are saying that her opinion about Apostolic churches are a huge offense to you even though this is about a church and not you and yet you are going to smudge her personal character and it is supposed to be okay.
I do not judge your love for God. I strongly belive you love God, but you are wrong in this. Enough said.
"Cultish" is an extremely pejorative term, conjuring up images of Jim Jones and Baghwans and other loonies.
No way to make that the same as discussing Biblical precepts and calling some of them false doctrine or sin.
However, for the purpose of this thread, it is probably best to let Baghwans be Baghwans.
;)
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 01:27 PM
Then to be consistent, in order to not "smudge" anyone's character on this board, you are going to have to not call anything false doctrine and you are going to have to never say "I believe women cutting their hair is a sin". What was said was an opinion about a church denomination just like you have your own opinions.
LCS, I am going to have to take issue with this. You are saying that her opinion about Apostolic churches are a huge offense to you even though this is about a church and not you and yet you are going to smudge her personal character and it is supposed to be okay.
I do not judge your love for God. I strongly belive you love God, but you are wrong in this. Enough said.
For one thing, Apostolic is not a church denomination it is a lifestyle and a doctorine of faith.
To call something cultish is much more offensive than calling something false. I have not said anything about false doctorine or that cutting your hair is a sin. I don't like to stir a bunch of junk up. How much emotion would it stir to say that say AMos is an idiot, even if it was my opinion, ( can say this cause I know he won't be mad) rather than saying, You know I can't agree with the way Amos handles things,I don't agree with him.
I am not "smudging" her character when I say she is dealing with bitterness, I believe she has stated that on occasion. I believe She is a great person, she just has some issues she needs to deal with. I still would like to meet her if she came up here, but that doesn't negate the fact that she has issues, like we ALL do, to deal with.
Enough said!!!
For one thing, Apostolic is not a church denomination it is a lifestyle and a doctorine of faith.
To call something cultish is much more offensive than calling something false. I have not said anything about false doctorine or that cutting your hair is a sin. I don't like to stir a bunch of junk up. How much emotion would it stir to say that say AMos is an idiot, even if it was my opinion, ( can say this cause I know he won't be mad) rather than saying, You know I can't agree with the way Amos handles things,I don't agree with him.
I am not "smudging" her character when I say she is dealing with bitterness, I believe she has stated that on occasion. I believe She is a great person, she just has some issues she needs to deal with. I still would like to meet her if she came up here, but that doesn't negate the fact that she has issues, like we ALL do, to deal with.
Enough said!!!
So calling someone full of bitterness and refusing to let the Lord heal her on a public forum in front of hundreds of people is just fine while saying most Apostolic churches have cultic practices is severely offensive and demands apology.
All I can say is this type of reasoning is one of the reasons I am no longer part of the Apostolic church and that is my opinion.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 01:52 PM
So calling someone full of bitterness and refusing to let the Lord heal her on a public forum in front of hundreds of people is just fine while saying most Apostolic churches have cultic practices is severely offensive and demands apology.
All I can say is this type of reasoning is one of the reasons I am no longer part of the Apostolic church and that is my opinion.
She has stated on here many times that she deals with bitterness. She knows she deals with bitterness and we know that she deals with bitterness.
I have not demanded an apology and will not demand an apology.
As for my reasoning, well that's up to you take it how you will. That's your right, but it doesn't make it correct. You can have your opinion and I have mine, but you are entitled to express it just like me.
Have a great day!!!
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 02:09 PM
Thanks Sherri. Coming from you that means alot. Not sure how many will agree with you, but it' nice to hear it from such a wonderful lady!!!
I agree with her!
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 02:13 PM
What's a Baghwan?
Esther
01-10-2009, 02:17 PM
What's a Baghwan?
Baghwan Shree Rajneesh, the Indian guru who attracted thousands of followers at his Oregon commune in the early 1980's before being deported from the United States, died yesterday of heart disease at his commune in Poona, in southern India, members of his entourage there told reporters. He was 58 years old.
He died Jan 1990
Margies3
01-10-2009, 02:26 PM
This whole discussion on here as well as on Rhoni's thread had just been sad.
I understand if someone is hurt. I feel for her. I truly do! And I sincerely believe that as Christian people, we have to be the ones to rise above when someone lashes out in their hurt.
But I also wondered at the time about her calling the Apostolic church a cult. Maybe I was reading it wrong. But my first thought was that if anyone calls someone else on here "a name" (as in a bad name) that is grounds for being banned. Am I right about that?
So while I don't think that we as Christians need to backlash. And while I also don't want to ever be accused of telling administration what to do....... I still wonder if that kind of statement is acceptable?
What a can of worms. YOW!!
Plus, one more observation I've made. Rhoni made her original statement. And LCS responded. And then we haven't heard from Rhoni since. And here we all are attacking each other. Does something seem wrong with this picture to the rest of you, too?
Maybe we could all just take a few minutes to PRAY FOR RHONI and also for the rest of us. You all are my friends. I don't like seeing us hurt each other.
By the way, just for the record:
1) I understand Rhoni's hurt, but I do NOT agree with her calling anyone "cultish"
2) I read thru LCS's answer to Rhoni. I seriously did not feel like she was harsh. I think she stated what she had to say and left it at that.
What I'd like to see is for everyone to just reach out in love and prayer now. Let's stop taking sides and all get on GOD's side.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 02:40 PM
This whole discussion on here as well as on Rhoni's thread had just been sad.
I understand if someone is hurt. I feel for her. I truly do! And I sincerely believe that as Christian people, we have to be the ones to rise above when someone lashes out in their hurt.
But I also wondered at the time about her calling the Apostolic church a cult. Maybe I was reading it wrong. But my first thought was that if anyone calls someone else on here "a name" (as in a bad name) that is grounds for being banned. Am I right about that?
So while I don't think that we as Christians need to backlash. And while I also don't want to ever be accused of telling administration what to do....... I still wonder if that kind of statement is acceptable?
What a can of worms. YOW!!
Plus, one more observation I've made. Rhoni made her original statement. And LCS responded. And then we haven't heard from Rhoni since. And here we all are attacking each other. Does something seem wrong with this picture to the rest of you, too?
Maybe we could all just take a few minutes to PRAY FOR RHONI and also for the rest of us. You all are my friends. I don't like seeing us hurt each other.
By the way, just for the record:
1) I understand Rhoni's hurt, but I do NOT agree with her calling anyone "cultish"
2) I read thru LCS's answer to Rhoni. I seriously did not feel like she was harsh. I think she stated what she had to say and left it at that.
What I'd like to see is for everyone to just reach out in love and prayer now. Let's stop taking sides and all get on GOD's side.
Just as an FYI....Rhoni did respond...check out post numbers: 39, 41, 45, 47 just to name a few.
Not trying to be mean, just don't want anyone thinking that I attacked her for no reason at all...then started this thread......
Pragmatist
01-10-2009, 02:40 PM
I was just amused at the comments about power, position, and financial gain. If anyone knows LCS and CS they know that is certainly not true about them. It was so far off as to be entertaining.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 02:42 PM
I was just amused at the comments about power, position, and financial gain. If anyone knows LCS and CS they know that is certainly not true about them. It was so far off as to be entertaining.
Thanks Prag...means alot!!!
Margies3
01-10-2009, 02:52 PM
Just as an FYI....Rhoni did respond...check out post numbers: 39, 41, 45, 47 just to name a few.
Not trying to be mean, just don't want anyone thinking that I attacked her for no reason at all...then started this thread......
I apologize, LCS. I guess I just got so caught up in all of the responses that I missed those. Next time I will look more closely before I post something.
And please don't think that I was attacking you with that statement. I was trying to say that from my observation, it looked like Rhoni had thrown the bone into the yard and then closed the door and backed away so everyone could fight over it.
I didn't think that you had started this thread for no reason. You had stated early on that you would come back later to respond to Rhoni. I just figured that that was what this thread was. I have more respect for you for keeping your word and making it easy to find than I would have if you had said you would come back and then decided not to bother.
ChicagoPastor
01-10-2009, 02:54 PM
I probably don't post enough on AFF to get involved in this issue.............BUT I feel the need to stick up for Sis. Coonskinner...
power, position, and financial gain are not the reason the "Coonskinners" exsist.
They are Christians...period. They fear the Lord, live their convictions, and reflect Christ.
JMO
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 02:58 PM
I apologize, LCS. I guess I just got so caught up in all of the responses that I missed those. Next time I will look more closely before I post something.
And please don't think that I was attacking you with that statement. I was trying to say that from my observation, it looked like Rhoni had thrown the bone into the yard and then closed the door and backed away so everyone could fight over it.
I didn't think that you had started this thread for no reason. You had stated early on that you would come back later to respond to Rhoni. I just figured that that was what this thread was. I have more respect for you for keeping your word and making it easy to find than I would have if you had said you would come back and then decided not to bother.
Honestly, I wasn't shoot at you. I just wanted to make it clear that I did not "attack" her unprovoked. Sometimes when people open a thread and see how many posts and pages, they skim the material and will evidentally miss some things and then make unwise assumptionsl, that's what I wanted to clear up.
I almost didn't bother, but felt like I needed to make myself clear on why I responded with such emotion....be blessed my friend.. Love ya!
I was just amused at the comments about power, position, and financial gain. If anyone knows LCS and CS they know that is certainly not true about them. It was so far off as to be entertaining.
Not sure where this post is. Was it really said about the Skinners?
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 03:38 PM
LCS,
I'm glad you were able to express your thoughts and feelings on this thread. I have always viewed you as kind and fun to engage with here. I haven't been hanging around the last few days because of all the drama. I don't like feeling upset and at odds with people I care about. I'm the only one that can remedy that - it's called logging out! lol
I'm also glad that you brought up and discussed the "cult" issue. IMO, it's been the underlying issue for a lot of things we have discussed around here.
I heard a preacher say, "When people call us a cult I find that amusing. The reason being, if they stuck around here long enough they would see how much we all disagree on so many things." LOL! Truth!
What has especially hurt me is when I hear it said, "Now that you don't have the extra baggage, you can get closer to God." I'm thinking of the many times God has spoken to me, guided me in prayer, opened his Word to me, ministered to me, loved me, encouraged me, etc. WHILE I carry some of those things they call baggage. This is a hurtful thing to me.
It is hurtful to me when people say, "Yea, when I was in the Mothership....etc." These words are all derogatory and don't make for productive conversation. It's doesn't bind us closer together - its divides us.
When people look into the Word of God and feel that "long hair" means "uncut", when they feel that wearing pants is "man's apparel", when they interpret - "In like manner women adorn themselves in modest apparel,........not with gold, pearls and costly array", and they do that with all the sincerity and fear they can muster - Can I come to this person and force them, counsel them, try to coerce them, intimidate them into viewing those verses my way?
We wouldn't have so many books, commentaries, and Bibles with various interpretations written if it was that easy.
The best we can do is follow our heart - like you did when you felt God convicted you of wearing pants. If some feel these things hinder their walk with God, then they also need to open their hearts, ask for direction, and serve where God tells them to serve.
I'm sure every person takes their interpretation of the Bible seriously. It's a fearful thing to think you may have it wrong. It's a fearful thing to change things when you are not sure. I respect any man that is fearful to change things they've been taught or what they read as truth.
So much has been spoken of the hurt some have endured under the strong fist of Conservatism. I don't deny these things. But I did notice one thing when I homeschooled with so many families of different faiths - they were having trouble with their pastors, leaders, musicians, church members, etc. This isn't a problem in one organization nor one sector of anything.
God has healed me in my hurt where I stand and where I serve. Some have left in order to be healed and serve. I'd do well to remember His great mercy. We were hurt dreadfully by a pastor and his wife. He sent me and my husband a letter in the mail. I read it in the parking lot before I drove home. I was so full of anger! As I was driving home, I wish I could remember the song, God brought peace to me in my car that day. Totally took that anger away. One other occasion I had to lift my hands in church and ask him to remove my anger. I had to come to Him more than once. I believe He changes things deep inside when we come to Him again and again. Anger, in my life, is a fearful thing. I'm afraid of anger!! It can turn into so many savage things - bitterness for one.
Anyway, after my attempt at expressing myself, I hope that we can come together, expressing our views without it seeming like we are putting each other's commitment, consecration and experience down. It isn't the right thing to do. We all have to make heaven and to the best of our ability, we have to follow the path God has chosen for us.
I would like to continue posting here. I love a great many people and would miss some dreadfully, but if we are going to pit ourselves against each other, I can't be a part of it. I won't be a part of it. I think we can all work this out. I feel in our hearts we know it's the right thing to do and we want to do the right thing.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 03:38 PM
Not sure where this post is. Was it really said about the Skinners?
If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.
Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...
Here is the quote.....
If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.
Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...
Here is the quote.....
The part where he said it was "more of a spell than gospel" actually is worse than the cult comment.
Spells are from witchcraft.
So our faith is equated with witchcraft. Nice.
But we need to respond lovingly to being called, in essence, witches, since we are not the victims. :)
LCS,
I'm glad you were able to express your thoughts and feelings on this thread. I have always viewed you as kind and fun to engage with here. I haven't been hanging around the last few days because of all the drama. I don't like feeling upset and at odds with people I care about. I'm the only one that can remedy that - it's called logging out! lol
I'm also glad that you brought up and discussed the "cult" issue. IMO, it's been the underlying issue for a lot of things we have discussed around here.
I heard a preacher say, "When people call us a cult I find that amusing. The reason being, if they stuck around here long enough they would see how much we all disagree on so many things." LOL! Truth!
What has especially hurt me is when I hear it said, "Now that you don't have the extra baggage, you can get closer to God." I'm thinking of the many times God has spoken to me, guided me in prayer, opened his Word to me, ministered to me, loved me, encouraged me, etc. WHILE I carry some of those things they call baggage. This is a hurtful thing to me.
It is hurtful to me when people say, "Yea, when I was in the Mothership....etc." These words are all derogatory and don't make for productive conversation. It's doesn't bind us closer together - its divides us.
When people look into the Word of God and feel that "long hair" means "uncut", when they feel that wearing pants is "man's apparel", when they interpret - "In like manner women adorn themselves in modest apparel,........not with gold, pearls and costly array", and they do that with all the sincerity and fear they can muster - Can I come to this person and force them, counsel them, try to coerce them, intimidate them into viewing those verses my way?
We wouldn't have so many books, commentaries, and Bibles with various interpretations written if it was that easy.
The best we can do is follow our heart - like you did when you felt God convicted you of wearing pants. If some feel these things hinder their walk with God, then they also need to open their hearts, ask for direction, and serve where God tells them to serve.
I'm sure every person takes their interpretation of the Bible seriously. It's a fearful thing to think you may have it wrong. It's a fearful thing to change things when you are not sure. I respect any man that is fearful to change things they've been taught or what they read as truth.
So much has been spoken of the hurt some have endured under the strong fist of Conservatism. I don't deny these things. But I did notice one thing when I homeschooled with so many families of different faiths - they were having trouble with their pastors, leaders, musicians, church members, etc. This isn't a problem in one organization nor one sector of anything.
God has healed me in my hurt where I stand and where I serve. Some have left in order to be healed and serve. I'd do well to remember His great mercy. We were hurt dreadfully by a pastor and his wife. He sent me and my husband a letter in the mail. I read it in the parking lot before I drove home. I was so full of anger! As I was driving home, I wish I could remember the song, God brought peace to me in my car that day. Totally took that anger away. One other occasion I had to lift my hands in church and ask him to remove my anger. I had to come to Him more than once. I believe He changes things deep inside when we come to Him again and again. Anger, in my life, is a fearful thing. I'm afraid of anger!! It can turn into so many savage things - bitterness for one.
Anyway, after my attempt at expressing myself, I hope that we can come together, expressing our views without it seeming like we are putting each other's commitment, consecration and experience down. It isn't the right thing to do. We all have to make heaven and to the best of our ability, we have to follow the path God has chosen for us.
I would like to continue posting here. I love a great many people and would miss some dreadfully, but if we are going to pit ourselves against each other, I can't be a part of it. I won't be a part of it. I think we can all work this out. I feel in our hearts we know it's the right thing to do and we want to do the right thing.
Very well said!
If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.
Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...
Here is the quote.....
What is the number in the thread?
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 03:44 PM
LCS,
I'm glad you were able to express your thoughts and feelings on this thread. I have always viewed you as kind and fun to engage with here. I haven't been hanging around the last few days because of all the drama. I don't like feeling upset and at odds with people I care about. I'm the only one that can remedy that - it's called logging out! lol
I'm also glad that you brought up and discussed the "cult" issue. IMO, it's been the underlying issue for a lot of things we have discussed around here.
I heard a preacher say, "When people call us a cult I find that amusing. The reason being, if they stuck around here long enough they would see how much we all disagree on so many things." LOL! Truth!
What has especially hurt me is when I hear it said, "Now that you don't have the extra baggage, you can get closer to God." I'm thinking of the many times God has spoken to me, guided me in prayer, opened his Word to me, ministered to me, loved me, encouraged me, etc. WHILE I carry some of those things they call baggage. This is a hurtful thing to me.
It is hurtful to me when people say, "Yea, when I was in the Mothership....etc." These words are all derogatory and don't make for productive conversation. It's doesn't bind us closer together - its divides us.
When people look into the Word of God and feel that "long hair" means "uncut", when they feel that wearing pants is "man's apparel", when they interpret - "In like manner women adorn themselves in modest apparel,........not with gold, pearls and costly array", and they do that with all the sincerity and fear they can muster - Can I come to this person and force them, counsel them, try to coerce them, intimidate them into viewing those verses my way?
We wouldn't have so many books, commentaries, and Bibles with various interpretations written if it was that easy.
The best we can do is follow our heart - like you did when you felt God convicted you of wearing pants. If some feel these things hinder their walk with God, then they also need to open their hearts, ask for direction, and serve where God tells them to serve.
I'm sure every person takes their interpretation of the Bible seriously. It's a fearful thing to think you may have it wrong. It's a fearful thing to change things when you are not sure. I respect any man that is fearful to change things they've been taught or what they read as truth.
So much has been spoken of the hurt some have endured under the strong fist of Conservatism. I don't deny these things. But I did notice one thing when I homeschooled with so many families of different faiths - they were having trouble with their pastors, leaders, musicians, church members, etc. This isn't a problem in one organization nor one sector of anything.
God has healed me in my hurt where I stand and where I serve. Some have left in order to be healed and serve. I'd do well to remember His great mercy. We were hurt dreadfully by a pastor and his wife. He sent me and my husband a letter in the mail. I read it in the parking lot before I drove home. I was so full of anger! As I was driving home, I wish I could remember the song, God brought peace to me in my car that day. Totally took that anger away. One other occasion I had to lift my hands in church and ask him to remove my anger. I had to come to Him more than once. I believe He changes things deep inside when we come to Him again and again. Anger, in my life, is a fearful thing. I'm afraid of anger!! It can turn into so many savage things - bitterness for one.
Anyway, after my attempt at expressing myself, I hope that we can come together, expressing our views without it seeming like we are putting each other's commitment, consecration and experience down. It isn't the right thing to do. We all have to make heaven and to the best of our ability, we have to follow the path God has chosen for us.
I would like to continue posting here. I love a great many people and would miss some dreadfully, but if we are going to pit ourselves against each other, I can't be a part of it. I won't be a part of it. I think we can all work this out. I feel in our hearts we know it's the right thing to do and we want to do the right thing.
Those are my feelings and sentiments exactly!!!!
So many times I have allowed myself to become too involved and have left feeling grieved in my spirit...
I hate that feeling and before I'll allow it to take my victory and my faith in people I will leave..
Waiting......
That was a quote from Neck.
That was a quote from Neck.
What is the number in the thread?
Scott Hutchinson
01-10-2009, 03:46 PM
LCS is a good ole gal,notice I didn't say old.
CS is a pretty good fellow himself.
What is the number in the thread?
LadyCoonskinner, Your tone spills the vile of the drumbeat that many are just sick of.
you speak to your experience and beliefs.
Many of which folks here are not opposed to...
But your view is very one-sided since you gain your position and status from the crowd you run with...
If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.
Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...
This is the copy of the post.
It is post #52.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=677676&postcount=52
This is the copy of the post.
Here's what he said to LCS a few posts later:
I am sorry for the sharp toned response to your statement.
I also stand by what the experience and context of what I said.
My comments are informative and life experiences.
So, what's the problem?
Here's what he said to LCS a few posts later:
So, what's the problem?
Calling the Apostolic message a "spell" is content, not tone.
He stands by the content.
There is no problem, though. I don't personally get offended by comments that are so utterly ludicrous that they bear no resemblance to reality.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 03:54 PM
Here's what he said to LCS a few posts later:
So, what's the problem?
He's saying he apologizes for the tone but not for what he said...His content was what I took exeption to.
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 03:57 PM
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Those are my feelings and sentiments exactly!!!!
So many times I have allowed myself to become too involved and have left feeling grieved in my spirit...
I hate that feeling and before I'll allow it to take my victory and my faith in people I will leave..
I believe we will, at times, come to odds over issues. The point I was trying to convey and earnestly don't want overlooked is this:
When people look into the Word of God and feel that "long hair" means "uncut", when they feel that wearing pants is "man's apparel", when they interpret - "In like manner women adorn themselves in modest apparel,........not with gold, pearls and costly array", and they do that with all the sincerity and fear they can muster - Can I come to this person and force them, counsel them, try to coerce them, intimidate them into viewing those verses my way?
We wouldn't have so many books, commentaries, and Bibles with various interpretations written if it was that easy.
The best we can do is follow our heart - like you did when you felt God convicted you of wearing pants. If some feel these things hinder their walk with God, then they also need to open their hearts, ask for direction, and serve where God tells them to serve.
Regardless of any past or present hurts, experiences, or motives to ourselves or to others - we must walk and serve where we feel God has lead us.
If some are bitter, struggling, insincere, etc., I can't let that affect my life. I accuse no one here. Just making a point.
Can I always overlook and forget these things? No, not always, but I can know this - Phil 1:6 "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"
Calling the Apostolic message a "spell" is content, not tone.
He stands by the content.
There is no problem, though. I don't personally get offended by comments that are so utterly ludicrous that they bear no resemblance to reality.
Fine then. Sounds like there isn't a problem. It's his OPINION, just like 3 steppers have the opinion that many of us are going to hell. Frankly, it doesn't keep me up at night. The main thing I take offense at on this list are not people having their own opinions, but denigrating and degrading others, and calling them names personally. We may have differing beliefs and opinions and thoughts. But there is a difference in saying "I think believing in three steps is necessary" and saying "All you who are not three steppers hate God and are going to hell!" Same as I see "I think the Apostolic church has cultic tendencies" is different than saying "CS is a cult leader". Two different things.
Fine then. Sounds like there isn't a problem. It's his OPINION, just like 3 steppers have the opinion that many of us are going to hell. Frankly, it doesn't keep me up at night. The main thing I take offense at on this list are not people having their own opinions, but denigrating and degrading others, and calling them names personally. We may have differing beliefs and opinions and thoughts. But there is a difference in saying "I think believing in three steps is necessary" and saying "All you who are not three steppers hate God and are going to hell!" Same as I see "I think the Apostolic church has cultic tendencies" is different than saying "CS is a cult leader". Two different things.
Call me strange, but it bothers me a lot more to see the message insulted than to be insulted personally.
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 04:02 PM
I have been on this stupid computer all day and now I'm taking a break. My hubby is going to take me to eat the best BBQ around and I'm going to enjoy it.
As Arnold Swatzanaeger said...."I'll be back!!!" I know you will be waiting with bated breath
Until then.....let's play nice....if that's possible...
Call me strange, but it bothers me a lot more to see the message insulted than to be insulted personally.
Say what you will about me; but I would die for the Gospel.
That's what Peter said too. We don't really know until we are there and I have personally not been there. I would rather say I don't know than say I would and then fail.
That's what Peter said too. We don't really know until we are there and I have personally not been there. I would rather say I don't know than say I would and then fail.
True that.
Let me just amend the statement to say that I take far less umbrage at comments directed at me than I do at comments directed at the Apostles' Doctrine.
Margies3
01-10-2009, 04:19 PM
I have been on this stupid computer all day and now I'm taking a break. My hubby is going to take me to eat the best BBQ around and I'm going to enjoy it.
As Arnold Swatzanaeger said...."I'll be back!!!" I know you will be waiting with bated breath
Until then.....let's play nice....if that's possible...
Enjoy your BBQ. We had that last night. I'm glad because today we couldn't get out to get anything even if we wanted to! Think I'll go make the boys some tacos.
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 04:33 PM
Enjoy your BBQ. We had that last night. I'm glad because today we couldn't get out to get anything even if we wanted to! Think I'll go make the boys some tacos.
We are having Chili. My husband is the cook this evening! :thumbsup He also made breakfast! Brought my orange juice to me! :kiss
mizpeh
01-10-2009, 04:34 PM
The part where he said it was "more of a spell than gospel" actually is worse than the cult comment.
Spells are from witchcraft.
So our faith is equated with witchcraft. Nice.
But we need to respond lovingly to being called, in essence, witches, since we are not the victims. :)
I was put out with him saying "spell" also. Much like using the name of Jesus in baptism is a "edited"
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 04:36 PM
Miz - we've asked that term not be used anymore please.
mizpeh
01-10-2009, 04:39 PM
Miz - we've asked that term not be used anymore please.So sorry, I forgot!!!
Maybe "spell" ought to be declared off limits regarding the Gospel.
What an amazing thing--that on an Apostolic forum, a term like the one Miz repeated would have to be banned when discussing Baptism in the only saving Name. :(
MissBrattified
01-10-2009, 04:46 PM
I'm kind of disappointed that we had to fight so hard to get the term outlawed, but that's just me--and I guess it is water under the bridge. :coffee2
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Maybe "spell" ought to be declared off limits regarding the Gospel.
What an amazing thing--that on an Apostolic forum, a term like the one Miz repeated would have to be banned when discussing Baptism in the only saving Name. :(
Better than not banning it. :angelsad
We've discussed the "spell" word too. I don't like it either, but a bit hard to ban it when you've got a UPC preacher out there saying even witches understand the power in hair.
Where do we stop banning words? Understand what I mean?
Also, the offense of the banned words were associated with blasphemy. I'd rather err on the side of caution when that's the case and you are correct it is ashamed, but there are all walks of spiritual people here. Hopefully, we can continue to reach out to everyone.
I'm kind of disappointed that we had to fight so hard to get the term outlawed, but that's just me--and I guess it is water under the bridge. :coffee2
This is news to me. I guess I missed that fight.
Wow.
That is very telling.
Better than not banning it. :angelsad
We've discussed the "spell" word too. I don't like it either, but a bit hard to ban it when you've got a UPC preacher out there saying even witches understand the power in hair.
Where do we stop banning words? Understand what I mean?
Also, the offense of the banned words were associated with blasphemy. I'd rather err on the side of caution when that's the case and you are correct it is ashamed, but there are all walks of spiritual people here. Hopefully, we can continue to reach out to everyone.
I would agree that people who equate Apostolic doctrine with a spell are indeed "spiritual."
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 04:50 PM
This is news to me. I guess I missed that fight.
Wow.
That is very telling.
I wouldn't say that is true at all.
Also, there wasn't ONE reported post.
Like we've tried to explain OVER and OVER - - all of admin aren't here 24/7. There was only one here that night - we closed the thread. We discussed, we came to a decision and reopened the thread the next morning.
Miss Bratt that really wasn't fair.
MissBrattified
01-10-2009, 04:50 PM
I don't know that specific words should be banned, but admin should be moderating the use of certain words in a highly offensive context or in an inflammatory way.
I'm really not for censorship overall, but this is a CHRISTIAN forum, and we don't allow curse words or name calling or insults, and I think that harshly insulting basic Apostolic beliefs ought to be off limits.
JMO, of course.
mizpeh
01-10-2009, 04:50 PM
This is news to me. I guess I missed that fight.
Wow.
That is very telling.
You'll have to read Bro Eastman's thread.
But the posts with the banned word in it may have been sanitized.
MissBrattified
01-10-2009, 04:51 PM
I wouldn't say that is true at all.
Like we've tried to explain OVER and OVER - - all of admin aren't here 24/7. There was only one here that night - we closed the thread. We discussed, we can to a decision and reopened the thread the next morning.
Miss Bratt that really wasn't fair.
Okay, maybe it wasn't, but it felt that way, since you and another admin spent more time trying to explain the other guy's position rather than squashing the offense.
Just my perspective, Renda. I'm not always reasonable or balanced--some things simply make me feel highly UNreasonable.
I don't know that specific words should be banned, but admin should be moderating the use of certain words in a highly offensive context or in an inflammatory way.
I'm really not for censorship overall, but this is a CHRISTIAN forum, and we don't allow curse words or name calling or insults, and I think that harshly insulting basic Apostolic beliefs ought to be off limits.
JMO, of course.
I think so too.
I don't typically get too worked up when people insult me personally, but insulting the Message that I love has an entirely different affect on me.
MissBrattified
01-10-2009, 04:54 PM
I'm sorry, I know we're not supposed to bring it back up, so I'll drop it. I'm still stinging a little over it, that's all.
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 04:55 PM
Okay, maybe it wasn't, but it felt that way, since you and another admin spent more time trying to explain the other guy's position rather than squashing the offense.
Just my perspective, Renda. I'm not always reasonable or balanced--some things simply make me feel highly UNreasonable.
Not worth hashing all over again, but we got many, many responses from posters (conversatives too) that knew what he was trying to say.
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 04:57 PM
I'm sorry, I know we're not supposed to bring it back up, so I'll drop it. I'm still stinging a little over it, that's all.
Thank you.
rgcraig
01-10-2009, 04:58 PM
You'll have to read Bro Eastman's thread.
But the posts with the banned word in it may have been sanitized.
The term "magic incantation" is NOT endorsed by Admin.
The term was was a poor choice of words and has been retracted and apologized for publicly. From this point forward please do not use this term, reference this term or question this term.
We have the ability to close the thread for a few days and sanitize the thread of the term, however, we do not have the manpower or hours to do that.
Please accept this post as the sanitizing of the term.
Resume the original discussion..
I don't know that specific words should be banned, but admin should be moderating the use of certain words in a highly offensive context or in an inflammatory way.
I'm really not for censorship overall, but this is a CHRISTIAN forum, and we don't allow curse words or name calling or insults, and I think that harshly insulting basic Apostolic beliefs ought to be off limits.
JMO, of course.
As one of the admins who got in at the tail end of all the problems, I would like to repeat that there was not ONE single reported post. IF there had been, perhaps some of the other admins who weren't involved could have discussed things and taken care of it. Instead, it went on for pages and pages-- and personally I wasn't going to take time to read it all.
Self moderation...Use the report button. You should know how much help that is to an admin team. :)
I'm sorry, I know we're not supposed to bring it back up, so I'll drop it. I'm still stinging a little over it, that's all.
I understand completely. You're not the only one, but I will drop it too. :)
Sister Alvear
01-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Once someone hurled some remarks and my husband whispered in my ear, "Don´t forget the Bible says,Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them."
Ps. 119:165
I have to think of that every so often!
MissBrattified
01-10-2009, 05:09 PM
Once someone hurled some remarks and my husband whispered in my ear, "Don´t forget the Bible says,Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them."
Ps. 119:165
I have to think of that every so often!
Good reminder! :)
Sister Alvear
01-10-2009, 05:11 PM
I do not blame anyone on the Admin. Team for anything...I appreciate all the hard work and a place where we can dare to be different...If someone oversteps their bounds it looks bad on them not on Admin. (well that is just my thoughts)
Sister Alvear
01-10-2009, 05:13 PM
Good reminder! :)
Love you, my friend.
This is news to me. I guess I missed that fight.
Wow.
That is very telling.
Guess I missed it too. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
I appreciate admin. I used to moderate a board a number of years back. Not a job I want. :)
AmazingGrace
01-10-2009, 05:40 PM
Sis CS
Thank you for the stand you have taken and please never change who you are or what you stand up for! Wish there were more on here like you! Now I swore I wouldn't come back to post so gotta run! Love you!
TRFrance
01-10-2009, 06:17 PM
Lady Skinner, there is defintely an unfortunate double standard I've seen here.
Generally speaking...
If a conservative says something that liberals here consider to be offensive or rude, we hear the typical "Well, there goes one of those rude, mean-spirited conservatives again. You know how they are."... etc, etc.
But if a liberal says something considered offensive or rude to [or about] conservatives, there's the usual chorus of "Well, you have to understand, he/she's been hurt by conservatives before"...or... "Well, he/she's been mistreated at the church they came out of, so we should just let him/her vent a little, and try to be compassionate".
It's a blatant double standard, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed it.
Hoovie
01-10-2009, 06:25 PM
Lady Skinner, there is defintely an unfortunate double standard I've seen here.
Generally speaking...
If a conservative says something that liberals here consider to be offensive or rude, we hear the typical "Well, there goes one of those rude, mean-spirited conservatives again. You know how they are."... etc, etc.
But if a liberal says something considered offensive or rude to [or about] conservatives, there's the usual chorus of "Well, you have to understand, he/she's been hurt by conservatives before"...or... "Well, he/she's been mistreated at the church they came out of, so we should just let him/her vent a little, and try to be compassionate".
It's a blatant double standard, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed it.
I am not so sure about that.
The greatest offensive insult on this board (or anywhere for that matter) is to eternally judge a fellow Christian unto damnation. It happens on this board and I am not so sure it is ever the "liberals" doing it - at least not generally.
Thankfully I, as a moderate, can point this out without being in great danger.... LOL!
:)
TRFrance
01-10-2009, 06:44 PM
Stephen, for some reason many (most?) liberals on AFF don't like to call call themselves liberals. Maybe you've noticed, they prefer to call themselves themselves moderates. :)
Hoovie
01-10-2009, 06:53 PM
Stephen, for some reason many (most?) liberals on AFF don't like to call call themselves liberals. Maybe you've noticed, they prefer to call themselves themselves moderates. :)
Funny! :stop I admit to baiting.:gotcha
I am a con in lifestyle, ultra con in family/marriage, and a liberal in my love for the brethren (including the non Oneness Pentecostal ones)!
You tell me. Doeth that not a moderate make?
Maple Leaf
01-10-2009, 07:22 PM
Free eights is twenty four.
Hoovie
01-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Free eights is twenty four.
:nutso
TRFrance
01-10-2009, 07:36 PM
Funny! :stop I admit to baiting.:gotcha
I am a con in lifestyle, ultra con in family/marriage, and a liberal in my love for the brethren (including the non Oneness Pentecostal ones)!
You tell me. Doeth that not a moderate make?
No offense meant, SH.
Evidently, you're a one-stepper, and I generally consider 1-steppers to be "liberal"... but that's just me. Not everyone fits neatly into these different "boxes" (labels) we come up with. I'm a moderate conservative overall, but I'm sure there are some Cons and Ultra-cons who might consider me a liberal, and some liberals who would consider me a bit of a hard-liner.
In the end, I suppose it's all in the eye of the beholder.
What really matters is that we are good Christians. I think we could both agree on that. :friend
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
No let's quote me correctly.
I stated after your blast post.
That you "have" to stand up for what you believe.
Because it is where you get your finances, you have your position and you have your friends.
If you do not believe this then leave and see who holds onto you as a friend....
You blasted someone for leaving.
Many things in the UPCI and some other organizations and some individual churhes are cultish in nature.
I know first hand as over the years many of the top list ministers and their families have just ripped good people in front of me.
I also was party to tearing folks down.
It is like me publically ripping on my place of employment.
I would never state anything that might cause me to lose my employment.
So those still holding onto a card in an organization will not be critical.
The many who went to Tulsa found that out.
That is why they got out.
So just get the context of what was being stated.
I would not consider being in the UPC a means for financial gain.
There still is life and abundantly outside the mothership....
Hoovie
01-10-2009, 07:50 PM
No offense meant, SH.
Evidently, you're a one-stepper, and I generally consider 1-steppers to be "liberal"... but that's just me. Not everyone fits neatly into these different "boxes" (labels) we come up with. I'm a moderate conservative overall, but I'm sure there are some Cons and Ultra-cons who might consider me a liberal, and some liberals who would consider me a bit of a hard-liner.
In the end, I suppose it's all in the eye of the beholder.
What really matters is that we are good Christians. I think we could both agree on that. :friend
All good.
Bless you!
LCS,
I very, very seriously doubt you are doing what you do for financial gain. I believe you do it because to the core of your being, you believe in what you are doing.
Let's get it straight not for financial gain.
It is where they receive their finances.
Many have taken a bold step to leave the UPCI.
Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 07:53 PM
All good.
Bless you!
I wish we could keep it that way! Or see it that way all the time :)
Hoovie
01-10-2009, 07:55 PM
I wish we could keep it that way! Or see it that way all the time :)
Indeed! I truly appreciate EVERYONE here.
Cindy
01-10-2009, 07:57 PM
Let's get it straight not for financial gain.
It is where they receive their finances.
Many have taken a bold step to leave the UPCI.
Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.
And many in the UPCI God takes care of too.
And imagine the bold step of staying there.
tstew
01-10-2009, 07:59 PM
Let's get it straight not for financial gain.
It is where they receive their finances.
Many have taken a bold step to leave the UPCI.
Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.
Neck, I also know many who left to pursue what they considered to be considerably more financial gain. A broad brush painting those who leave in this light would be just as unfair as your implications here. I pray that we all will realize just how subjective our perspectives can be and refrain from assigning improper motives to many who we really know very little about.
JMHO
Let's get it straight not for financial gain.
It is where they receive their finances.
Many have taken a bold step to leave the UPCI.
Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.
Yeah, I wasn't even sure what she was getting at in the beginning. I have a lot of respect for you, Neck, and stuck up for you later in this thread. But I don't believe the skinners are in it for money, no not at all. But, yes they do get some of their finances there.
Alright Peeps, thanks for the kind words. But this is not the reason for this thread.
I really wonder why we are painted with such a broad brush. So many times, when people get hurt, they allow bitterness to set in and will not deal with it, because it is too painful. I know, because been there, done that. You MUST deal with bitterness as it comes.
We sometimes make unwise choices and then blame the people that we are associated with and make them the scapegoat and the reason we don't allow God to heal us.
I know minister who made a mighty big mistake and had an affair on his wife. She forgave him, but she had so much trouble and never really got over her bitterness toward the lady who messed up her marriage. In her bitterness, she allowed the lady to come between her and her God. In the end, the whole family backslid and messed alot of people up. All because bitterness, not just on her part but her children's also, was not properly dealt with. My husband has never commited adultery on me and I can't imagine the pain she had to deal with, although the Lord did allow me to help carry her and be there for her, but the bitterness clouded judgement and they really have never gotten over it.
So many times, on this forum, that is what I see. Not everyone that has walked away has bitterness that is not dealt with, but many of the people have been wounded in the house of their friends, I have been many times, and I'm sure it will happen again, because I choose to love people. I can't blame them for the mistakes I choose to make. I sure don't blame an organization or a group of people. Sure, if I get hit in the head by 20 people with a white shirt on, the next white shirted person I see, I'll probably duck and hide, but that doesn't make them bad because they happen to be dressed like the other offenders. I hope I'm making sense. I'm not casting judgement on others, but my goodness folks, just because I believe holiness stronger than most of you, doesn't put on the America's Most Wanted List.
I'm just like you, I get dressed on leg at a time. I may not agree with you in some stances you take, but that doesn't make you an idiot in my book. Maybe misguided or mistaken but not an enemy. That's what we need to realize, we are not enemies, just because I don't see things the way you do. Yes, I react over my faith being attacked. I didn't call names, just made a statement and then went from being "Sister" to "Mrs." Sorry that's just not right.
Many times, I have considered leaving this place, but I have really come to love and appreciate the people on here, well, some of them...:nutso...and am thankful that I can come here and have fun and sometimes, when I need to..vent. I'm thankful that I can be myself, but if I EVER start attacking people and calling them names because I'm in a bad mood or I've had a rough week, I hope someone has enough compassion for me AND MY CALLING to say "Hey, now wait a minute.." Rico has done that in the past and made me stop and think about what I was saying. I am thankful that he cared enough for me and my reputation and my husband's ministry to call my hand on my attitude. Did I like, No...not at firtst, but he made sense when I calmed down and looked at the situation calmly.
I am not the judge.....(thank the Lord..) but I think we need to ALL take a step back and look at things with a new "set of eyes."
I think you and your peeps need to know this one thing.
Bitterness is not a synonym for person.
Many who have left the UPCI from top listed ministers to saints.
Have been targets of bad spirits, looks, conversation, judgement, disassocation, misrepresentaion, jealousy, strife, anger, abuse and on and on.
Then the person is labeled with the term, "bitterness".
Many times when the person procaliming someone has bitterness.
They do not know of the many times they overlooked these individuals over the years.
Having been 40 plus years in the loop and a couple of years off the chain.
I still see some very good family members in the organization getting chewed up for just the stupidest and petty things....
The funny thing is the, "I am more holy thing is still at work within it's ranks".
That was the reason many headed off to start the WPF.
In that split look at the ranker that came out towards those good men.
Take us lowly posters on AFF out of the equation.
Your own family the UPCI can't get along with it's own fellowship.
Atleast once in the past 4 decades there has been an exodus from the organization.
WHy because the message within the message has always been.
You either tow the rope or get pushed overboard.
So how I see... what some have stated happened to them over the years.
Is still alive and well within the rank and file today.
I am hoping that the post below which is #52 in the leaving the denomination thread is not the one you all are referring to about LCS and her personal gain thing. Please read my post clearly.
I refer to the fact that her point of view came from her position and status.
I was not stating they were involved with the their church for personal gain.
I was stating that her defense came from the fact they have there income, friends and status from being where they are...
If they wanted a real gain they could leave the mothership.
God does not stop blessing you after you leave.
You will however leave many judgemental friends behind....
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Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner
To be honest, Rhoni, I am so sick of you "spouting" this term and using it to bash and "experience" that I highly believe in. WE ARE NOT A CULT!!!!! And I, for one, am sick of people who really want to 'trash' what I, and many others on this forum, stand for, called this STUPID term.
I don't have time right now to finish this, but I will be back and complete my statement.
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LadyCoonskinner, Your tone spills the vile of the drumbeat that many are just sick of.
you speak to your experience and beliefs.
Many of which folks here are not opposed to...
But your view is very one-sided since you gain your position and status from the crowd you run with...
If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.
Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...
Yeah, I wasn't even sure what she was getting at in the beginning. I have a lot of respect for you, Neck, and stuck up for you later in this thread. But I don't believe the skinners are in it for money, no not at all. But, yes they do get some of their finances there.
My point was association. I tied it to income, friends, family and position.
The fear of losing those if you break from the mothership.
That was my point.
I wonder how many Ultra-cons on the forum hide behind a screen name.
They are afraid to state who they are...
They might get themselves in trouble just for being on the forum.
As for me.
The only thing that could happen would to get banned from the forum...
My point was association. I tied it to income, friends, family and position.
The fear of losing those if you break from the mothership.
That was my point.
I wonder how many Ultra-cons on the forum hide behind a screen name.
They are afraid to state who they are...
They might get themselves in trouble just for being on the forum.
As for me.
The only thing that could happen would to get banned from the forum...
I understand what you meant. That's why I didn't even associate LCS's thread with what you said at first. As for me, I was VERY ANONYMOUS while we pastored because you can't put one toe outside the fence unless you are prepared.
I believe you can be totally sincere as a UC and yet what you say is true as well. The key is to believe it 100% and the CS's do.
Cindy
01-10-2009, 08:19 PM
This thread and Rhoni's thread make me sad and disgusted. Especially sad. Lord I am tired, and want to really show love to people here. I have realized the ones that post the most angry and bitter posts need our love the most. Jesus help me to do that.
Do you know why I spent the day here? Because I don't feel well. Usually, if I spend all day here it's because I am feeling ill. Sometimes I wonder how conducive that is to getting better. :toofunny
Cindy
01-10-2009, 08:32 PM
Do you know why I spent the day here? Because I don't feel well. Usually, if I spend all day here it's because I am feeling ill. Sometimes I wonder how conducive that is to getting better. :toofunny
I know, right. I have a bad sinus infection. And AFF helped me feel better.
If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.
Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...
Here is the quote.....
I think you need to look back at what I responded to.
Once again I can assure you that you would not say anything on this forum.
That would be against anything in the manual.
Because that is your association.
I brought that out as your church, position, friends, income and family.
Why was that brought into the message?
Because if and when you leave the mothership.
You fear you would lose your church, friends, finances and in some cases family.
The idea of the "spell' over the gospel.
Was not in reference to the oneness of God nor Acts 2:38 message.
It was a direct reference to the concept of standards.
My father was told by the UPCI, state of Virginia board that he would lose his card if he preached again for Bro Frank Tamel in Wisconsin.
The church in Wisconsin had just started out of another assembly back in the early 1970's.
Bro Tamel had stopped by our house in Richmond to seek my dad's advice as to starting the church.
My father commented to him, "The Lord places the call". "Not man".
At the General conference that year.
It may have been Miami.
Many men told my father it may get tight for you Bro.
Because of the stance you are taking.
Well he got called in before the board.
Their decision was that he was not supposed to preach at the church for the next 18 months.
My father told the men in the meeting.
Fine the Lord does the calling.
Here is my card, thanks for your support.
Before he left the room they gave him the ok to continue to preach at the church.
Over the next 5 years he preached some 60 times at the church.
He was the only evangelist to peach there for the first few years.
That is why after his death in 1978, we moved to WI in 1980.
I still personally live in Oak Creek, WI.
What came of the church.
It became the largest church in Wisconsin.
My dad was warned of the idea of you will lose your friends, your status, your income....
Hello!!!! That was the basis from which I drew the reference.
Many will never speak their minds and in some cases I see anger from them.
I think because they wish they had the same guts to cut and run....
Has anyone ever read "The Wasteland," by T.S. Eliot?
Cindy
01-10-2009, 08:37 PM
Has anyone ever read "The Wasteland," by T.S. Eliot?
Not me, what is it about?
Not me, what is it about?
There isn't really a short answer to that.
It is a stream-of-consciousness poem that somehow comes to mind tonight.
The part where he said it was "more of a spell than gospel" actually is worse than the cult comment.
Spells are from witchcraft.
So our faith is equated with witchcraft. Nice.
But we need to respond lovingly to being called, in essence, witches, since we are not the victims. :)
Amos. I used part of the word "gospel" to make a point.
Review your webster.
I was referring to the 2nd definition of the word.
2. Compelling attraction, fascination.
Which I was directly referring to standards not the Oneness or Acts 2:38 message....
I was not referring to a "Spell" as in magic or anything else having been placed on anyone...
What is the number in the thread?
#52
Amos. I used part of the word "gospel" to make a point.
Review your webster.
I was referring to the 2nd definition of the word.
2. Compelling attraction, fascination.
Which I was directly referring to standards not the Oneness or Acts 2:38 message....
I was not referring to a "Spell" as in magic or anything else having been placed on anyone...
I don't have to review my "webster" to know the Anglo-Saxon root of the word.
I still think it was a tasteless comment, Sir, the spin notwithstanding.
Maybe "spell" ought to be declared off limits regarding the Gospel.
What an amazing thing--that on an Apostolic forum, a term like the one Miz repeated would have to be banned when discussing Baptism in the only saving Name. :(
Again you need to regroup and understand the context as to what I the writer was trying to convey...
What man as I after being in the truth my entire life would use the work Spell to a meaning of Witchcraft...
Sorry not gonna happen..
LadyCoonskinner
01-10-2009, 08:48 PM
I think you need to look back at what I responded to.
Once again I can assure you that you would not say anything on this forum.
That would be against anything in the manual.
Because that is your association.
I brought that out as your church, position, friends, income and family.
Why was that brought into the message?
Because if and when you leave the mothership.
You fear you would lose your church, friends, finances and in some cases family.
The idea of the "spell' over the gospel.
Was not in reference to the oneness of God nor Acts 2:38 message.
It was a direct reference to the concept of standards.
My father was told by the UPCI, state of Virginia board that he would lose his card if he preached again for Bro Frank Tamel in Wisconsin.
The church in Wisconsin had just started out of another assembly back in the early 1970's.
Bro Tamel had stopped by our house in Richmond to seek my dad's advice as to starting the church.
My father commented to him, "The Lord places the call". "Not man".
At the General conference that year.
It may have been Miami.
Many men told my father it may get tight for you Bro.
Because of the stance you are taking.
Well he got called in before the board.
Their decision was that he was not supposed to preach at the church for the next 18 months.
My father told the men in the meeting.
Fine the Lord does the calling.
Here is my card, thanks for your support.
Before he left the room they gave him the ok to continue to preach at the church.
Over the next 5 years he preached some 60 times at the church.
He was the only evangelist to peach there for the first few years.
That is why after his death in 1978, we moved to WI in 1980.
I still personally live in Oak Creek, WI.
What came of the church.
It became the largest church in Wisconsin.
My dad was warned of the idea of you will lose your friends, your status, your income....
Hello!!!! That was the basis from which I drew the reference.
Many will never speak their minds and in some cases I see anger from them.
I think because they wish they had the same guts to cut and run....
Well, you used the wrong reference here, bro. Our church isn't even affiliated and we were indepent for about 5 years, so......we weren't with "the Mothership" ( I loathe that term) all the time.
You made an assumption here and it is and was DEAD WRONG!!!!!! The UPCI does not pay me nor do my associations with the UPCI. Yes, I fellowship lots of people. Even people I consider "lost".
I am not ashamed of the fact that I do not agree with some of the positions that are upheld by the UPC. I am not a machine and neither is my husband. We have our own minds and have made decisions that were right, but still hurt us in the district in which we live.....(this was several years ago and it has changed a lot now) Yes, we were wounded in the house of our friends, by the ministry and I had REASON to be bitter and angry. I struggled for years with that, but knew I could not let it define who I was and what I was was and what I believed.
Where I am, what I believe and the financial part has NOTHING whatsoever to do with us preaching the gospel. God is my Provider. I do not hide behind a screen name. I am not ashamed of the stand I take. I'm not afraid that I'm going to get into trouble because I have a different opinion than that of others. I am not afraid to "fight" for what I believe.
So maybe you ought not assume so much....
Again you need to regroup and understand the context as to what I the writer was trying to convey...
What man as I after being in the truth my entire life would use the work Spell to a meaning of Witchcraft...
Sorry not gonna happen..
I don't know, Neck...it sounds like you used to be pretty mean and rip on people back when standards were, as you said, "the holy grail of your spiritual life."
You could have a relapse.
This is news to me. I guess I missed that fight.
Wow.
That is very telling.
Fight, I was part of the fight and I missed it...
I wish now that I would have been online all day...
Cindy
01-10-2009, 08:56 PM
Fight, I was part of the fight and I missed it...
I wish now that I would have been online all day...
You would just have wasted more space.
And many in the UPCI God takes care of too.
And imagine the bold step of staying there.
I have never heard it called a bold step to stay in a comfort zone.
When My dad turned in his card in the AOG in 1963.
He was told you will not eat, you will not make money in the field of the ministry.
The Lord took care of him and his family in the UPCI.
See it was not bold to stay it was bold to leave...
Many men in the UPCI some more liberal durung the AS time period.
Then some calling themselves more conserative left recenetly.
They paid a price with their friends, and some even family.
Some lost meetings already set on the books.
Everyone has to do what they have as a calling from the Lord...
Stay or leave.... It is to the person....
Cindy
01-10-2009, 09:01 PM
I have never heard it called a bold step to stay in a comfort zone.
When My dad turned in his card in the AOG in 1963.
He was told you will not eat, you will not make money in the field of the ministry.
The Lord took care of him and his family in the UPCI.
See it was not bold to stay it was bold to leave...
Many men in the UPCI some more liberal durung the AS time period.
Then some calling themselves more conserative left recenetly.
They paid a price with their friends, and some even family.
Some lost meetings already set on the books.
Everyone has to do what they have as a calling from the Lord...
Stay or leave.... It is to the person....
Perspective Neck. All in how you look at it.
Go with God.
Neck, I also know many who left to pursue what they considered to be considerably more financial gain. A broad brush painting those who leave in this light would be just as unfair as your implications here. I pray that we all will realize just how subjective our perspectives can be and refrain from assigning improper motives to many who we really know very little about.
JMHO
hey, don't forget that many stayed and lost their ministries. It is not a broad stroke to be painted.
But it also is not a box that proclaims that God "will not" take care of men who leave....
Men with an honest heart to do God's work servive and thrive.
Those who leave and do not...
It speaks to their heart not their reason for leaving...
I don't have to review my "webster" to know the Anglo-Saxon root of the word.
I still think it was a tasteless comment, Sir, the spin notwithstanding.
There was not a spin intended.
I know how I used the word...
I did not refer to any majic spell nor a reference to Witchcraft.
You have to refer to who wrote the words and why.
Cindy
01-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Tiresome and annoying isn't it?
Has anyone ever read "The Wasteland," by T.S. Eliot?
No but I have read a bunch of Wasteland AFF lately...
Cindy
01-10-2009, 09:13 PM
As have we all.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 09:18 PM
You know Neck, I really think this forum does not give life experiences justice.
We all have gone through what make us who we are, the pain sorrow rejection and victories--all those things are apart of what has influenced our decisions and actions.
How can that be properly conveyed and appreciated? This is of course a rhetorical question.
We have so many different people that come from so many different life experiences. The sad thing to me is, many do not take the time to try to appreciate where some is coming from or where they have been....because we are such a hurry to make our points that we over look what someone is trying to say.
I dont know if that makes sense.
But I appreciate your calm and steady way of explaining things and appreciate what you have gone through and what you share here.
Don't feel you have to explain to us, many of us get it.
Well, you used the wrong reference here, bro. Our church isn't even affiliated and we were indepent for about 5 years, so......we weren't with "the Mothership" ( I loathe that term) all the time.
You made an assumption here and it is and was DEAD WRONG!!!!!! The UPCI does not pay me nor do my associations with the UPCI. Yes, I fellowship lots of people. Even people I consider "lost".
I am not ashamed of the fact that I do not agree with some of the positions that are upheld by the UPC. I am not a machine and neither is my husband. We have our own minds and have made decisions that were right, but still hurt us in the district in which we live.....(this was several years ago and it has changed a lot now) Yes, we were wounded in the house of our friends, by the ministry and I had REASON to be bitter and angry. I struggled for years with that, but knew I could not let it define who I was and what I was was and what I believed.
Where I am, what I believe and the financial part has NOTHING whatsoever to do with us preaching the gospel. God is my Provider. I do not hide behind a screen name. I am not ashamed of the stand I take. I'm not afraid that I'm going to get into trouble because I have a different opinion than that of others. I am not afraid to "fight" for what I believe.
So maybe you ought not assume so much....
**************************************
Post #52
I made this statement.
"But your view is very one-sided since you gain your position and status from the crowd you run with...".
I did not refer to the UPCI.
I stated the crowd you run with...
I do not know everything about everyone on this forum.
I shared with you my backgroud.
The UPCI comments in my trail of posts were from my background vantage point.
Just fill in the ______________________ whatever organization..... Or independant...
Again you are stuck on the financial thing.
Again whatever crowd or motherships you run with etc.
You have a peer group.
I took major offense at your original tone and words before I ever made my statements.
My point plain and simple.
God is my provider as well.
But I do not call my sales manager up and speak rantings against him or my company.
At the end of the day what we do gives us are income.
Many who have left churches, organizations, companies.
Then feel the freedom to speak their minds.
Perspective Neck. All in how you look at it.
Go with God.
I agree...
You know Neck, I really think this forum does not give life experiences justice.
We all have gone through what make us who we are, the pain sorrow rejection and victories--all those things are apart of what has influenced our decisions and actions.
How can that be properly conveyed and appreciated? This is of course a rhetorical question.
We have so many different people that come from so many different life experiences. The sad thing to me is, many do not take the time to try to appreciate where some is coming from or where they have been....because we are such a hurry to make our points that we over look what someone is trying to say.
I dont know if that makes sense.
But I appreciate you calm and steady way of explaining things and appreciate what you have gone through and what you share here.
Don't feel you have to explain to us, many of us get it.
Elizabeth, I agree... I think that if some of us met. We would share our experiences in a more positive way.
I think we would look to build on our foundations and learn from others.
I have family and friends in and out of many organizations.
All in the ministry.
We can talk and share and not be judgemental....
But then again we know each walk of life represented...
I agree with what you stated...
tstew
01-10-2009, 09:32 PM
I have never heard it called a bold step to stay in a comfort zone.
When My dad turned in his card in the AOG in 1963.
He was told you will not eat, you will not make money in the field of the ministry.
The Lord took care of him and his family in the UPCI.
See it was not bold to stay it was bold to leave...
Many men in the UPCI some more liberal durung the AS time period.
Then some calling themselves more conserative left recenetly.
They paid a price with their friends, and some even family.
Some lost meetings already set on the books.
Everyone has to do what they have as a calling from the Lord...
Stay or leave.... It is to the person....
Neck, bro, you have to learn how to step back and see other perspectives. You cannot characterize everybody's reason for staying as simply a lack of courage to leave a "comfort zone". There are many people I know who are talented enough, innovative enough, respected enough, and sought after enough that they could leave this "comfort zone" and pursue very lucrative, successful, and comfortable avenues. There are many pastors who know that should they quit preaching what people do not want to hear, their churches would grow exponentially. From your perspective it takes courage to leave...from many other's perspective, it takes greater courage to stay and preach a message that is not popular and will not attract those with itching ears. Let us not forget about that prophecied phenomenon. I just find your sweeping generalizations pretty closed-minded.
I have enjoyed many of your takes and opinions, but I honestly think you may be a little skewered on this one. That is usually the risk you take when overly generalizing.
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 09:39 PM
Elizabeth, I agree... I think that if some of us met. We would share our experiences in a more positive way.
I think we would look to build on our foundations and learn from others.
I have family and friends in and out of many organizations.
All in the ministry.
We can talk and share and not be judgemental....
But then again we know each walk of life represented...
I agree with what you stated...
Neck,
Are you saying that we can't be positive nor non-judgmental unless we all meet in person? Are you saying that because we are conversing on a forum that we cannot share and understand each person's walk of life? Are you saying that we cannot look to build on our foundations and learn from others because we haven't met and post on a forum?
Neck,
Are you saying that we can't be positive nor non-judgmental unless we all meet in person? Are you saying that because we are conversing on a forum that we cannot share and understand each person's walk of life? Are you saying that we cannot look to build on our foundations and learn from others because we haven't met and post on a forum?
No but I can tell you this.
I see email at work causing many problems.
It is hard to read a persons motives and tone when reading words.
With so much of what we say being non-spoken communication.
Not to metion we all gain internet muscles when typing words.
How many times have you left a post and thought.
How did they think I meant that?
I have shared much with some of the members via private messages.
Some from all walks and have built some great friendships...
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 09:51 PM
Neck,
Are you saying that we can't be positive nor non-judgmental unless we all meet in person? Are you saying that because we are conversing on a forum that we cannot share and understand each person's walk of life? Are you saying that we cannot look to build on our foundations and learn from others because we haven't met and post on a forum?
No I said something about it-
sometimes our life experiences are not appreciated like it should because we get in a hurry to say what need to say without really reading what the other person is saying!
Understand what I am saying?? LoL!
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 09:52 PM
No but I can tell you this.
I see email at work causing many problems.
It is hard to read a persons motives and tone when reading words.
With so much of what we say being non-spoken communication.
Not to metion we all gain internet muscles when typing words.
How many times have you left a post and thought.
How did they think I meant that?
I have shared much with some of the members via private messages.
Some from all walks and have built some great friendships...
Very good and so true!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 09:53 PM
No but I can tell you this.
I see email at work causing many problems.
It is hard to read a persons motives and tone when reading words.
With so much of what we say being non-spoken communication.
Not to metion we all gain internet muscles when typing words.
How many times have you left a post and thought.
How did they think I meant that?
I have shared much with some of the members via private messages.
Some from all walks and have built some great friendships...
Okay, thanks! I agree it is hard to read a person's motives sometimes.
:thumbsup
Neck, bro, you have to learn how to step back and see other perspectives. You cannot characterize everybody's reason for staying as simply a lack of courage to leave a "comfort zone". There are many people I know who are talented enough, innovative enough, respected enough, and sought after enough that they could leave this "comfort zone" and pursue very lucrative, successful, and comfortable avenues. There are many pastors who know that should they quit preaching what people do not want to hear, their churches would grow exponentially. From your perspective it takes courage to leave...from many other's perspective, it takes greater courage to stay and preach a message that is not popular and will not attract those with itching ears. Let us not forget about that prophecied phenomenon. I just find your sweeping generalizations pretty closed-minded.
I have enjoyed many of your takes and opinions, but I honestly think you may be a little skewered on this one. That is usually the risk you take when overly generalizing.
I would love to be very specific and call out names of actual known personalities and situations.
That would be at the expense of me having to leave AFF.
So sometimes one has to be general.
But for the most part I understand when others make these type of statements it does not mean every minister, saint etc in any church or group.
I appreciate your take on my group of statements and responses today.
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 09:53 PM
No I said something about it-
sometimes our life experiences are not appreciated like it should because we get in a hurry to say what need to say without really reading what the other person is saying!
Understand what I am saying?? LoL!
Yeth! I understand ya! LOL!
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Yeth! I understand ya! LOL!
Sometimes I cringe after I say something or email something. I often wonder if they took what I said in a rude tone.
Somethings could so easily taken not the right way, because someone can not hear your tone of voice.
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 09:59 PM
Sometimes I cringe after I say something or email something. I often wonder if they took what I said in a rude tone.
Somethings could so easily taken not the right way, because someone can not hear your tone of voice.
I've done that myself - Did I say that right? Will they understand what I meant?
You can talk to people, in person, who pick apart every word, facial expression, etc.
I think if someone wants to be an understanding and patient person, they will do that whether it's via email, phone or on a Forum. JMHO!
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:00 PM
Sometimes I cringe after I say something or email something. I often wonder if they took what I said in a rude tone.
Somethings could so easily taken not the right way, because someone can not hear your tone of voice.
Sometimes I think I haven't been rude enough.
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:02 PM
Sometimes I think I haven't been rude enough.
:toofunny
YES YOU HAVE!!!!!!! :thwak :toofunny
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:03 PM
I've done that myself - Did I say that right? Will they understand what I meant?
You can talk to people, in person, who pick apart every word, facial expression, etc.
I think if someone wants to be an understanding and patient person, they will do that whether it's via email, phone or on a Forum. JMHO!
That is true! Some people are not that easily offended praise God.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:03 PM
Sometimes I think I haven't been rude enough.
Show us all how rude and nasty you can be-
Oh my I sound like Mark! :lol
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:04 PM
That is true! Some people are not that easily offended praise God.
That should be our New Year's Resolution. :thumbsup
Somehow, a ball of confusion came rolling in here last week!!! Good grief!! LOL!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:04 PM
Show us all how rude and nasty you can be-
Oh my I sound like Mark! :lol
We can score her on a poll!!!! :toofunny
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:04 PM
:toofunny
YES YOU HAVE!!!!!!! :thwak :toofunny
Only when justified. :ursofunny
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:05 PM
Show us all how rude and nasty you can be-
Oh my I sound like Mark! :lol
:heeheehee
That's why I started the annoying thread. To pick on him and he hasn't been here to see it. :toofunny
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:06 PM
Only when justified. :ursofunny
Well there ya go!!!! :bow :hanky
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:06 PM
We can score her on a poll!!!! :toofunny
Ok Cindy go for it me and pressing will hold up signs rating your rudeness from 1-10!
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:06 PM
We can score her on a poll!!!! :toofunny
I'm going to get some chocolate. Go ahead I will be back.
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:07 PM
Ok Cindy go for it me and pressing will hold up signs rating your rudeness from 1-10!
:ursofunny
I don't know who to be rude to. Well maybe ............ :nah
Give me a clue. :toofunny
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:08 PM
Ok Cindy go for it me and pressing will hold up signs rating your rudeness from 1-10!
We might better start another thread!!
Did you know I was the Literary Editor of our school newspaper? One of my articles was giving out the worst insults. The only one I remember is: Her mouth was so big she could sing duets by herself while eating a banana sideways!!! :toofunny
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:08 PM
That should be our New Year's Resolution. :thumbsup
Somehow, a ball of confusion came rolling in here last week!!! Good grief!! LOL!
I know we are trying not talk about it! shhhhh!:D
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:09 PM
I'm going to get some chocolate. Go ahead I will be back.
Chocolate is evil!!!!
:thebunny
:ursofunny
I don't know who to be rude to. Well maybe ............ :nah
Give me a clue. :toofunny
Aren't we on a thread admonishing everyone to play fair and be nice?!!! Wouldn't that defeat the purpose and cause more work for Liz?!!! :toofunny
tstew
01-10-2009, 10:10 PM
I would love to be very specific and call out names of actual known personalities and situations.
That would be at the expense of me having to leave AFF.
So sometimes one has to be general.
But for the most part I understand when others make these type of statements it does not mean every minister, saint etc in any church or group.
I appreciate your take on my group of statements and responses today.
Neck, I've never been one to argue that everybody in any group of people are going to be perfect or even good. My point is that I can produce an equally impressive list of people for whom taking the stands that they have taken has absolutely not produced a comfort zone and that this "comfort zone" is not their motivation. I know many people who would actually be much more "comfortable" (in a purely financial or physical sense) if they did leave the organization and it's doctrinal stance. I just get uneasy about overly sweeping criticisms.
One would make the argument that those who stay are doing so in defense of their comfort zone, and another would argue that those who leave are in search of a temporal comfort zone by virtue of acquiescing to the level of mainstream Christendom. Either way, I think that the sweeping generalities are innaccurate.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:10 PM
We might better start another thread!!
Did you know I was the Literary Editor of our school newspaper? One of my articles was giving out the worst insults. The only one I remember is: Her mouth was so big she could sing duets by herself while eating a banana sideways!!! :toofunny
Oh boy! I would have liked that back then, well I still think its funny now! Ha ha!
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:10 PM
I know we are trying not talk about it! shhhhh!:D
Like hiding a crazy relative, isn't it? :toofunny
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:11 PM
I know we are trying not talk about it! shhhhh!:D
Oh sorry. :footinmouth I was still sick at my stomach over it. Did ya'll say we would be banned if we mentioned it? :uhoh
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:12 PM
Oh boy! I would have liked that back then, well I still think its funny now! Ha ha!
Guess it's not as funny when we are older. LOL! But I know someone like that! Hahahahhahahaha!
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:12 PM
Chocolate is evil!!!!
:thebunny
Aren't we on a thread admonishing everyone to play fair and be nice?!!! Wouldn't that defeat the purpose and cause more work for Liz?!!! :toofunny
Not if we all laugh! and she doesnt cuss or call us jerks.
tstew
01-10-2009, 10:12 PM
I've done that myself - Did I say that right? Will they understand what I meant?
You can talk to people, in person, who pick apart every word, facial expression, etc.
I think if someone wants to be an understanding and patient person, they will do that whether it's via email, phone or on a Forum. JMHO!
I for one think that you are very clear with your attacks and threats. There are even usually threatening smilies to underscore the point :)
He's My Friend
01-10-2009, 10:12 PM
Sometimes I think I haven't been rude enough.
I hope I don't kill this thread. =)
When I have not meant any harm it was taken as if I was being mean and rude.
I even received a pm falsely accusing me.
I pm'd 2 people back and explained what I was talking about and that I didn't say what they were accusing me of, and they would not respond to me.
I then pm'd the person they thought I was being "mean" to , and she messaged me back and was OK with everything.
I don't want to hurt or offend.
I love the Lord and people.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Guess it's not as funny when we are older. LOL! But I know someone like that! Hahahahhahahaha!
Carly Simeon!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Neck, I've never been one to argue that everybody in any group of people are going to be perfect or even good. My point is that I can produce an equally impressive list of people for whom taking the stands that they have taken has absolutely not produced a comfort zone and that this "comfort zone" is not their motivation. I know many people who would actually be much more "comfortable" (in a purely financial or physical sense) if they did leave the organization and it's doctrinal stance. I just get uneasy about overly sweeping criticisms.
One would make the argument that those who stay are doing so in defense of their comfort zone, and another would argue that those who leave are in search of a temporal comfort zone by virtue of acquiescing to the level of mainstream Christendom. Either way, I think that the sweeping generalities are innaccurate.
I agree! Good post, Stew! I wish we could point this out a little more!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:15 PM
I for one think that you are very clear with your attacks and threats. There are even usually threatening smilies to underscore the point :)
Good Lord!!!!!!!!! That's all you have to say to me after Christmas and in a New Year?!!!!! :thwak :smack :toofunny
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:15 PM
Carly Simeon!
I was thinking of someone I actually know! Hahahahahahahhahaha!
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:16 PM
I hope I don't kill this thread. =)
When I have not meant any harm it was taken as if I was being mean and rude.
I even received a pm falsely accusing me.
I pm'd 2 people back and explained what I was talking about and that I didn't say what they were accusing me of, and they would not respond to me.
I then pm'd the person they thought I was being "mean" to , and she messaged me back and was OK with everything.
I don't want to hurt or offend.
I love the Lord and people.
Don' be hard on yourself--we all are misunderstood sometime or another that is why there is so much posting to try to explain what we mean-
It happens to all of us- Dont feel bad!
Ok now you can join me and pressing in hijacking this thread. :D
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:17 PM
Not if we all laugh! and she doesnt cuss or call us jerks.
That would work. I'm just wondering if she can stop herself!!! :toofunny :nutso
He's My Friend
01-10-2009, 10:19 PM
Don' be hard on yourself--we all are misunderstood that is why there is so much posting to try to explain what we mean-
We all do it-and many of us are misunderstood. Dont feel bad!
Ok now you can join me and pressing in hijacking this thread.
Thank you for the "invite".
So, if we play that game "Telephone" by the time it gets back around to Pressing the message should be very interesting. =)
tstew
01-10-2009, 10:19 PM
Good Lord!!!!!!!!! That's all you have to say to me after Christmas and in a New Year?!!!!! :thwak :smack :toofunny
Yeah, I figured I'd push back the actual implementation of my New Year's Resolutions another couple of weeks.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:21 PM
Thank you for the "invite".
So, if we play that game "Telephone" by the time it gets back around to Pressing the message should be very interesting. =)
She might cheat!...how you do that in telephone I dont know, but pressing's pretty smart!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:22 PM
Yeah, I figured I'd push back the actual implementation of my New Year's Resolutions another couple of weeks.
Procrastanator!!!!!!!! :toofunny
tstew
01-10-2009, 10:23 PM
Procrastanator!!!!!!!! :toofunny
Yeah, well that's one of the things on my Resolutions list...so that'll probably be changing here in a few weeks :)
He's My Friend
01-10-2009, 10:24 PM
She might cheat!...how you do that in telephone I dont know, but pressing's pretty smart!
Yes Ma'am I believe she is a very smart cookie. :)
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:24 PM
Yeah, well that's one of the things on my Resolutions list...so that'll probably be changing here in a few weeks :)
LOL! You mean I spelled it right?!!! :toofunny
tstew
01-10-2009, 10:27 PM
LOL! You mean I spelled it right?!!! :toofunny
Well...it was close enough. After dealing with Mark and Ferd for so long, my "TFRESJKIHese to English" translator is pretty well fine-tuned. :)
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:28 PM
Yes Ma'am I believe she is a very smart cookie. :)
That she is, Pressing is also the most fun person to hijack a thread with! We just laugh and laugh!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:31 PM
Well...it was close enough. After dealing with Mark and Ferd for so long, my "TFRESJKIHese to English" translator is pretty well fine-tuned. :)
:toofunny
Okay, before I log out - Procrastinator!!!
Better?
Procrastanator has a little more umpf to it. :thumbsup :toofunny
Night!!! :bedtime
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:31 PM
That she is, Pressing is also the most fun person to hijack a thread with! We just laugh and laugh!
First Tina and now you saying that I hijack threads!!!!!!!!!!! I'm offended by that!!!!! :thwak :toofunny
tstew
01-10-2009, 10:32 PM
:toofunny
Okay, before I log out - Procrastinator!!!
Better?
Procrastanator has a little more umpf to it. :thumbsup :toofunny
Night!!! :bedtime
Take care.
He's My Friend
01-10-2009, 10:32 PM
That she is, Pressing is also the most fun person to hijack a thread with! We just laugh and laugh!
lol
Speaking of cookies....(see I can help hijack a thread). :)
I agree, she seems smart and funny....and very talented.
BTW: I need to search the forum for a chair or tables she posted some time ago.
I think it was a piece of furniture that had been painted like animal print, and I need to check that out again.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:33 PM
First Tina and now you saying that I hijack threads!!!!!!!!!!! I'm offended by that!!!!! :thwak :toofunny
Remember when we hijacked a thread and talked about rotten teeth??! Lol! and you posted cmas pictures at the same time!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:34 PM
Thank you for the "invite".
So, if we play that game "Telephone" by the time it gets back around to Pressing the message should be very interesting. =)
She might cheat!...how you do that in telephone I dont know, but pressing's pretty smart!
Yes Ma'am I believe she is a very smart cookie. :)
I NEVAH CHEAT!!!!!! Well, I did at Scattegories the other day, but it's cause no one was looking. :toofunny
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:35 PM
Remember when we hijacked a thread and talked about rotten teeth??! Lol! and you posted cmas pictures at the same time!
LOL! You hijacked it talking about when you preached!!! That wasn't my fault!!! Are you trying to blame that on me?!!!!!!! :thwak
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:36 PM
Take care.
You too! I'm still trying to log out! :nutso
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:36 PM
:toofunny
Okay, before I log out - Procrastinator!!!
Better?
Procrastanator has a little more umpf to it. :thumbsup :toofunny
Night!!! :bedtime
Hey before you go let me rate your post since Cindy isnt playing-
:scorebad:scoregood
oh well I give you both scores! I dont know what Im doing!
He's My Friend
01-10-2009, 10:36 PM
I NEVAH CHEAT!!!!!! Well, I did at Scattegories the other day, but it's cause no one was looking. :toofunny
Sounds like my little girl when she players checkers. :)
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:39 PM
LOL! You hijacked it talking about when you preached!!! That wasn't my fault!!! Are you trying to blame that on me?!!!!!!! :thwak
Ok it's my fault! It's still fun and you are also so helpful!:D
Do you want to help me rob a bank???
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:39 PM
Sounds like my little girl when she players checkers. :)
Okay, kids are cute when they try to cheat - adults are not! LOL
I have got to get in bed! We are changing our services to Sunday MORNING!! I am not a morning person!!!!!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:40 PM
Hey before you go let me rate your post since Cindy isnt playing-
:scorebad:scoregood
oh well I give you both scores! I dont know what Im doing!
You're being double minded that's what!!!!!!! Give me the high score!!!!!! :toofunny
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:40 PM
Sounds like my little girl when she players checkers. :)
I betcha she used to cheat when she was a kid! Just playing girl your no cheater!
I used to cheat all the time! Especially when i played my sister-
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:41 PM
I betcha she used to cheat when she was a kid! Just playing girl your no cheater!
I used to cheat all the time! Especially when i played my sister-
Confession is good for the soul, dear!
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:41 PM
Okay, kids are cute when they try to cheat - adults are not! LOL
I have got to get in bed! We are changing our services to Sunday MORNING!! I am not a morning person!!!!!
Me too! have fun girl!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:43 PM
Ok it's my fault! It's still fun and you are also so helpful!:D
Do you want to help me rob a bank???
What is this about? Yes, I'm in!!!! :toofunny
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:43 PM
Confession is good for the soul, dear!
Lord what a brat, now I feel nothing but guilt! :(
Anyway ya all--David's crying got to go!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:43 PM
Me too! have fun girl!
You too!!!! :friend
Night Mich!
Night John Boy!!!!!
He's My Friend
01-10-2009, 10:44 PM
Confession is good for the soul, dear!
Now she thinks she's a priest....:)
Gotta go myself.
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:44 PM
What is this about? Yes, I'm in!!!! :toofunny
Can you imagine 2 pentecostal looking ladies holding guns laughing trying to rob a bank! Lol!
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:46 PM
You too!!!! :friend
Night Mich!
Night John Boy!!!!!
You are bring back memories girl!
Night Maw
Night Paw!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:47 PM
You are bring back memories girl!
Night Maw
Night Paw!
The dog in the bar - I'm looking for the man that shot my paw!
:bliss
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:47 PM
Now she thinks she's a priest....:)
Gotta go myself.
Good night!!!!:D
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:48 PM
Now she thinks she's a priest....:)
Gotta go myself.
I was actually thinking of having her say the Rosary - four times!!!! :toofunny
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:48 PM
The dog in the bar - I'm looking for the man that shot my paw!
:bliss
You remind me of Randy! Hey they did not have me on any spelling committee ever!
good night! PA!!!!!!!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:48 PM
Can you imagine 2 pentecostal looking ladies holding guns laughing trying to rob a bank! Lol!
Just use a rocket launcher! Get 'er done!!!! :toofunny
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:49 PM
You remind me of Randy! Hey they did not have me on any spelling committee ever!
good night! PA!!!!!!!
LOL! Night!!!! I'm not going to be happy in the morning!!!! :tissue
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:50 PM
I was actually thinking of having her say the Rosary - four times!!!! :toofunny
I think I would rather shoot myself in the PAW!
Elizabeth
01-10-2009, 10:51 PM
Just use a rocket launcher! Get 'er done!!!! :toofunny
LOL! Pentecostal terrorist!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:51 PM
I think I would rather shoot myself in the PAW!
:toofunny
GO TO BED!!!!!!!!
Pressing-On
01-10-2009, 10:52 PM
LOL! Pentecostal terrorist!
:toofunny
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:54 PM
I hope I don't kill this thread. =)
When I have not meant any harm it was taken as if I was being mean and rude.
I even received a pm falsely accusing me.
I pm'd 2 people back and explained what I was talking about and that I didn't say what they were accusing me of, and they would not respond to me.
I then pm'd the person they thought I was being "mean" to , and she messaged me back and was OK with everything.
I don't want to hurt or offend.
I love the Lord and people.
I didn't mean here or on purpose being rude to someone either.
It's hard to tell sometimes if we are.
And it's much easier to see when someone else has.
Cindy
01-10-2009, 10:58 PM
Talk about rude, everybody went to bed before I could be rude or offend someone.:(
He's My Friend
01-10-2009, 11:22 PM
I didn't mean here or on purpose being rude to someone either.
It's hard to tell sometimes if we are.
And it's much easier to see when someone else has.
I think it's easy sometimes to think someone is rude on a forum, because as stated so many times, we cannot see them or hear their tone of voice.
I just want to learn to take things good, and think, "Oh they didn't mean anything by that". (I would like to use that more in real life, since I don't post much here.)
I find as I get older I am taking that "road" in believing that someone really didn't mean any harm by what they said.
I have only seen a nice and kind Cindy. :)
Cindy
01-10-2009, 11:29 PM
I think it's easy sometimes to think someone is rude on a forum, because as stated so many times, we cannot see them or hear their tone of voice.
I just want to learn to take things good, and think, "Oh they didn't mean anything by that". (I would like to use that more in real life, since I don't post much here.)
I find as I get older I am taking that "road" in believing that someone really didn't mean any harm by what they said.
I have only seen a nice and kind Cindy. :)
I agree completely.
When I first started posting here I was so shocked at the seeming rudeness here. And I was probably rude sometimes, though I hope not. But I never won't to offend a brother or sister.
Thank you.:)
I do like to have fun here though, and it helps keep my mind off some of the debating.
Sometimes I think I haven't been rude enough.
LOL!! :ursofunny
Sister Alvear
01-11-2009, 10:15 AM
if I have been rude please forgive me...it is never my intention...and I know sometimes talking in person is so much easier than on a forum...facial expressions help!
if I have been rude please forgive me...it is never my intention...and I know sometimes talking in person is so much easier than on a forum...facial expressions help!
Sis Alvear, you are the last person I would consider rude on this forum & while I do not know you outside of this forum, I really think you have enough Jesus in you that you couldn't even be rude by accident!
And that is exactly why standards are a forbidden, or tightly controled topics, on most boards. People tend to think they're right and can't see that it can be done another way.
Your preacher might preach against something because of something that's happened in your city/town. That doesn't mean others are going to H because they don't follow the same teaching.
I was like that in the beginning, so I can kind of understand it. Not the attacking, but the thinking that if you don't do it the way WE do it, you're wrong. When people are fairly new, and haven't been exposed to many other thoughts on the same subject, you tend to think it's a heaven/H issue, whatever the subject is.
I have learned by being an admin and a mod in these boards, that the best you can say to folks is, "Just obey your pastor and you are doing well in the eyes of Jesus."
If you have strong convictions, follow them but you can't force them on other people.
I guess what opened my eyes, a girl was being attacked for what her pastor taught, and it finally hit me right between the eyes. She is obeying her pastor and shouldn't be attacked for that. Then it's between her, her pastor and God and we have no right making judgements about it.... PERIOD.
God bless y'all and don't fight, be happy! *Grin*
RevDWW
01-11-2009, 12:49 PM
Sis Coonskinner, I don't understand it either.
No one here knows how many tears I have shed in the last 48 hours while praying about things that have been happening on this forum. My heart just aches that people can be so unkind to each other, all the while, calling themselves "Christians".
I appreciate you for taking a stand.
And they don't have to know. The Lord that hears in secret will reward openly.
Raven
01-11-2009, 03:21 PM
Forgetting that which is behind us let's look to tomorrow which is a clean slate. If I don't insist upon my rights it becomes hard for anyone to offend me. As to defending the truth or the name of Jesus ... they stand strong without me.
Ps 119:165
Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
Pressing-On
01-11-2009, 03:23 PM
Forgetting that which is behind us let's look to tomorrow which is a clean slate. If I don't insist upon my rights it becomes hard for anyone to offend me. As to defending the truth or the name of Jesus ... they stand strong without me.
Ps 119:165
Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
I love that portion of scripture, Raven. "Offend" here means - cause to stumble.
The verse is saying, "Great peace have they which love they law: and nothing shall cause them to stumble."
This seems like a better place than any to just ...
YAWN.
Love ya, sis.
Raven
01-11-2009, 03:43 PM
I love that portion of scripture, Raven. "Offend" here means - cause to stumble.
The verse is saying, "Great peace have they which love they law: and nothing shall cause them to stumble."
Yes, mikshowl or to cause to stumble. If I don't insist upon my "rights" then whatever is said is not going to cause me to stumble, lose my spiritual equilibrium, and throw me into an angry tirade. When you're defensive and waiting for an offense it will surely come. When the offense comes I then have a choice to make ... respond in kind or ... be kind.
Pressing-On
01-11-2009, 03:45 PM
Yes, mikshowl or to cause to stumble. If I don't insist upon my "rights" then whatever is said is not going to cause me to stumble, lose my spiritual equilibrium, and throw me into an angry tirade. When you're defensive and waiting for an offense it will surely come. When the offense comes I then have a choice to make ... respond in kind or ... be kind.
Exactly!!! Good words!!!! :thumbsup
When the offense comes I then have a choice to make ... respond in kind or ... be kind.
rgcraig
01-11-2009, 03:45 PM
Yes, mikshowl or to cause to stumble. If I don't insist upon my "rights" then whatever is said is not going to cause me to stumble, lose my spiritual equilibrium, and throw me into an angry tirade. When you're defensive and waiting for an offense it will surely come. When the offense comes I then have a choice to make ... respond in kind or ... be kind.
I believe we see this happening at times here!
Good stuff Raven!
Rhoni
01-11-2009, 04:18 PM
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
Sis, CS,
I think you made many assumptions on the other thread that was not so and you reacted emotionally. You were attacked for your personal attacks on me. You should have stuck with the issues and not tried to call me out. You are wanting sympathy for being called out on calling someone else out. It is difficult to be non-judgementally judgemental.
We have never met in person although we tried. I am sure if you met me your opinion would drastically change...but until then stop judging me.
I hope you feel better having got the needed afffirmation. It feels good doesn't it? I know it feels good when I get petted when I am hurting.
Blessings, Rhoni
P.S. I switched from calling you Sis. CS to Mrs CS - it was not to disrespect your position as sister.
mizpeh
01-11-2009, 04:39 PM
Stephen is getting out the Hoover and cleaning things up! :statbike:
Rhoni
01-11-2009, 04:43 PM
Stephen is getting out the Hoover and cleaning things up! :statbike:
:nutso ;)
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
I wouldn't let it bother me Lady CS, when people can't live right anymore, they find a way out and still try to hang onto some of the truth, but not all of it, cause they want to go against the holiness standards so they find an excuse to leave. I commend you for standing up for the real truth !
Admin
01-11-2009, 05:10 PM
Rock,
Consider this a public warning and you will be receiving a private one also.
You may discuss the issue, but not attack the person. If you have a problem with knowing the difference you might not be around for long.
ChTatum
01-11-2009, 05:12 PM
Sister CS, You and your husband are wonderful people. May God continue to bless and use you both.
I am sorry for the contention that developed between you and Sis. Rhoni, whom I also hope God continues to bless, and I undertand many of her thought processes as well.
Please disassociate and distance yourself from the "rock" that appears on this forum. He has delusions of righteousness and grandeur.
StillStanding
01-11-2009, 05:39 PM
BOTH Rhoni and LCS are looking for affirmation of their positions. (don't we all?)
IMO, Rhoni was looking for a response and LCS fell for it!
I've met LCS and I think she is a wonderful lady of God. She doesn't have to change a thing to be high on my list! We disagree on a few issues, but in my mind that doesn't make me any closer to God than her.
Because of her honest deeply held religious beliefs and opinions, I won't ever get 100% affirmation from her for how I chose to serve God. So why waste time trying? Trying will only put a wedge in a friendly relationship.
I am confident in what I believe, as is she. May God smile on her and give her and her family a special blessing this year!
rgcraig
01-11-2009, 05:50 PM
BOTH Rhoni and LCS are looking for affirmation of their positions. (don't we all?)
IMO, Rhoni was looking for a response and LCS fell for it!
I've met LCS and I think she is a wonderful lady of God. She doesn't have to change a thing to be high on my list! We disagree on a few issues, but in my mind that doesn't make me any closer to God than her.
Because of her honest deeply held religious beliefs and opinions, I won't ever get 100% affirmation from her for how I chose to serve God. So why waste time trying? Trying will only put a wedge in a friendly relationship.
I am confident in what I believe, as is she. May God smile on her and give her and her family a special blessing this year!
I tell you, Mr. Steinway, you have been posting awesome posts - full of wisdom!
Can I have some affirmation too now, please? You all can take a number after me. :D:nutso
rgcraig
01-11-2009, 06:11 PM
Can I have some affirmation too now, please? You all can take a number after me. :D:nutso
:thwak - - consider yourself affirmed.
pelathais
01-11-2009, 06:12 PM
:blah You are loved. You are special and unique. :blah
But it's true. Kind of hard to deal with some times. Kind of hard to prove to our own selves at times.
You are affirmed.
Can I have some affirmation too now, please? You all can take a number after me. :D:nutso
You have my complete affirmation that you are cool...
:thwak - - consider yourself affirmed.
Pelathais did a better job. :nah
You have my complete affirmation that you are cool...
Thank you! It is rather chilly in my neck of the woods.:snowing 16 degrees at present!!
StillStanding
01-11-2009, 06:29 PM
I tell you, Mr. Steinway, you have been posting awesome posts - full of wisdom!
Thanks! :)
Thanks! :)
One affirmation for Mr. Steinway!
Bro-Larry
01-11-2009, 06:39 PM
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
Sorry Sis CS, but God doesn't convict you of anything.
You were influenced by a man preaching a tradition of men. You could call it peer pressure.
StillStanding
01-11-2009, 06:44 PM
One affirmation for Mr. Steinway!
Ooh! I feel much better! :)
RevDWW
01-11-2009, 06:57 PM
We all want approval, affirmation, and a sense of worth.
Henry is good.
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.
Henry David Thoreau
David is is better:
Psa 27:1 <A Psalm of David.> The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psa 27:2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Psa 27:3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.
Psa 27:4 One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.
Psa 27:5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
Psa 27:6 And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.
Psa 27:7 Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.
Psa 27:8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.
Psa 27:9 Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.
Psa 27:10 When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
Psa 27:11 Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
Psa 27:12 Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.
Psa 27:13 I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.
Psa 27:14 Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.
If you want confidence, have it in Him that is able to save to the utmost! You want positive affirmation make verse 4 your verse, your goal, your paradigm.
RevDWW
01-11-2009, 07:03 PM
Sorry Sis CS, but God doesn't convict you of anything.
You were influenced by a man preaching a tradition of men. You could call it peer pressure.
Hmmm.....might want to rethink the whole "God doesn't convict" thinking. Who gave us conscience?
MissBrattified
01-11-2009, 07:18 PM
Sorry Sis CS, but God doesn't convict you of anything.
You were influenced by a man preaching a tradition of men. You could call it peer pressure.
Huh? God talks to me about my faults every time I communicate with Him. I rarely get up from a prayer time without knowing I need to change something in order to be more pleasing to Him.
God doesn't convict us? I would say He does...the dictionary defines "convict" (in the context we use it) as "To make aware of one's sinfulness or guilt."
Doesn't God's Word do that?
LaVonne
01-11-2009, 07:31 PM
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
Sis. CS,
While we've never met and we've not had a lot of interaction over the years, I feel I've always treated you with kindess and respect...something we all deserve. I appreciate you sharing your experience with us all...it does help to understand you a little better. God bless!
Margies3
01-11-2009, 07:37 PM
Sorry Sis CS, but God doesn't convict you of anything.
You were influenced by a man preaching a tradition of men. You could call it peer pressure.
Hmmm.....might want to rethink the whole "God doesn't convict" thinking. Who gave us conscience?
Huh? God talks to me about my faults every time I communicate with Him. I rarely get up from a prayer time without knowing I need to change something in order to be more pleasing to Him.
God doesn't convict us? I would say He does...the dictionary defines "convict" (in the context we use it) as "To make aware of one's sinfulness or guilt."
Doesn't God's Word do that?
Bro Larry,
if God didn't convict us of sin, why would we have come to Him in the first place? If He hadn't convicted me of my sin, I would never have felt my need of a Savior.
Now, I know some will disagree with me on this and that's ok. But everyone here knows that I am not a standards person. However, that doesn't in any way mean that I don't believe that God wouldn't speak to some people about some of the standards issues. I don't know why it would be different for some than for others. But I do believe with all my heart that if GOD speaks to you about something that falls under the heading of "standards" then you best listen up good!
God has not convicted me about wearing pants or cutting my hair. But IF He ever does, I will most assuredly do exactly what He says to me.
On the other hand, what God convicted Sis CS about is not between me and God. That is between her and God. If she believes that she needs to never wear pants in order for her to be pleasing to God, then that's what she aught to do and seems to me to be what she is doing.
Do I believe that God convicts us of sins? Absolutely. He convicts me regularly. There are plenty of things that I cannot do and feel like I've been pleasing to God if I did them. And they're probably different than what He would speak to you about :) and that's ok with me. Because I serve a God who knows me personally.
rosebud
01-11-2009, 07:42 PM
I wouldn't let it bother me Lady CS, when people can't live right anymore, they find a way out and still try to hang onto some of the truth, but not all of it, cause they want to go against the holiness standards so they find an excuse to leave. I commend you for standing up for the real truth !
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