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Praxeas
06-19-2009, 01:10 AM
The feisty California lawmaker felt the need to remind an Army brigadier general of that fact Tuesday during a hearing before her Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, where the military officer testifying had the apparent gall to call Boxer "ma'am.
"You know, do me a favor," an irritated Boxer said. "Could say 'senator' instead of 'ma'am?'"
However, Walsh surely meant no disrespect, as military protocol advises that officers may use "sir" or "ma'am" when addressing anybody higher than them on the chain of command.
Tuesday's hearing was hardly the first time a military officer used those terms during sworn testimony.
The same day at a Senate Armed Services subcommittee hearing, two Navy officials repeatedly referred to Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., with the title, "sir."
"Yes, sir," Navy Vice Adm. Bernard McCullough said when answering questions.
Wicker raised no objections.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/18/sen-boxer-chides-brigadier-general-calling-maam/
Baron1710
06-19-2009, 04:17 AM
The feisty California lawmaker felt the need to remind an Army brigadier general of that fact Tuesday during a hearing before her Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, where the military officer testifying had the apparent gall to call Boxer "ma'am.
"You know, do me a favor," an irritated Boxer said. "Could say 'senator' instead of 'ma'am?'"
However, Walsh surely meant no disrespect, as military protocol advises that officers may use "sir" or "ma'am" when addressing anybody higher than them on the chain of command.
Tuesday's hearing was hardly the first time a military officer used those terms during sworn testimony.
The same day at a Senate Armed Services subcommittee hearing, two Navy officials repeatedly referred to Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., with the title, "sir."
"Yes, sir," Navy Vice Adm. Bernard McCullough said when answering questions.
Wicker raised no objections.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/18/sen-boxer-chides-brigadier-general-calling-maam/
She is YOUR Senator. Every once in awhile I find useful something the Nazi's would say, "Useless eaters." Boxer qualifies.
LUKE2447
06-19-2009, 07:07 AM
Yes,...... She said something to the effect of "I worked hard for that title...." Not something like "this office and it's people deserve" Basically I IN ALL MY GREATNESS DESERVE IT! PATHETIC!
Baron1710
06-19-2009, 07:18 AM
Here is a link to the video.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/362923.html
I emailed Ms. Boxer and told her she needs to get over herself. What a disgusting display of narcissim and self rightousness.
Male Senators are called "sir" and it is entirely appropriate to call a female Senator Ma'am regardless of how far she has come to become a Senator.
I hope the public is watching and seeing the true nature of these liberal left wing Democrats.
gloryseeker
06-19-2009, 04:51 PM
The feisty California lawmaker felt the need to remind an Army brigadier general of that fact Tuesday during a hearing before her Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, where the military officer testifying had the apparent gall to call Boxer "ma'am.
"You know, do me a favor," an irritated Boxer said. "Could say 'senator' instead of 'ma'am?'"
However, Walsh surely meant no disrespect, as military protocol advises that officers may use "sir" or "ma'am" when addressing anybody higher than them on the chain of command.
Tuesday's hearing was hardly the first time a military officer used those terms during sworn testimony.
The same day at a Senate Armed Services subcommittee hearing, two Navy officials repeatedly referred to Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., with the title, "sir."
"Yes, sir," Navy Vice Adm. Bernard McCullough said when answering questions.
Wicker raised no objections.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/18/sen-boxer-chides-brigadier-general-calling-maam/
She's a nut. I can't believe my fellow Californians keep voting her in
freeatlast
06-19-2009, 05:27 PM
I emailed Ms. Boxer and told her she needs to get over herself. What a disgusting display of narcissim and self rightousness.
Male Senators are called "sir" and it is entirely appropriate to call a female Senator Ma'am regardless of how far she has come to become a Senator.
I hope the public is watching and seeing the true nature of these liberal left wing Democrats.
Could you post her E-mail address CC1. i have an opinion to share with her senatorship.
jaxfam6
06-19-2009, 05:44 PM
She is YOUR Senator. Every once in awhile I find useful something the Nazi's would say, "Useless eaters." Boxer qualifies.
Probably a good thing she is their senator cause it she was mine I would be working to vote her out.
I am sorry but when someone does something like that me I use the term more so. I would really have been in the hot seat with her because I would have been all "yes ma'am" "no ma'am" after that.
I have done that to doctors who act all high and mighty like they are really important. They want to be called doctor because they went to school and got a degree so I use their first name only. They either get over it or hate me. I general don't go back to them if they act that way.
jaxfam6
06-19-2009, 05:45 PM
I emailed Ms. Boxer and told her she needs to get over herself. What a disgusting display of narcissim and self rightousness.
Male Senators are called "sir" and it is entirely appropriate to call a female Senator Ma'am regardless of how far she has come to become a Senator.
I hope the public is watching and seeing the true nature of these liberal left wing Democrats.
maybe she wants to be a sir at heart. someone should introduce her to "Mister" Chastity.
Could you post her E-mail address CC1. i have an opinion to share with her senatorship.
Here is a link to a page you can email her from. You have to choose a topic and non exist for "stupidity" or "you are an insufferable narcissist" so I just chose "women's issues" (I thought that was funny) and then told her what I thought. I know she will never see my email but at least some devoted flunky who screens these things will have to see what a moron the world thinks her boss is.
http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm
Pressing-On
06-19-2009, 09:56 PM
maybe she wants to be a sir at heart. someone should introduce her to "Mister" Chastity.
:toofunny
I heard John McCain thank Sean Hannity, on a clip at RealClearPolitics, for calling him Senator and not Sir. Hilarious!!! :toofunny
Praxeas
06-19-2009, 09:59 PM
I thought the tone of Boxers "request" was rather flippant too...I wonder if she did this because he is a guy or because he is military
I thought the tone of Boxers "request" was rather flippant too...I wonder if she did this because he is a guy or because he is military
I would imagine both of those reasons plus a few more like she is a self rightous ego maniac and women's libber with an enormous chip on her shoulder.
StMark
06-20-2009, 08:58 AM
Unfortunatley, she's my senator :blah
Have you all heard of a sweet, kind lady named MAXINE WATERS???
That's Prax's congresswoman and don't you ever forget that Prax!!:ursofunny:thumbsup
Also, I don't know if you are all aware, but San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newson is going to be running for Governor with the backing of SF and Hollywood.
We're really going to have to pray on this one because if he gets into office, we are really in big trouble! :foottap
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Carpenter
06-20-2009, 09:11 AM
Typical democrats, they bring absolutely NO substance, integrity, or power to their offices, they rely on their offices to bring it to them.
People should be convicted by your reputation when they use a wrong title, you shouldn't have to whine and whinny in demanding it.
liberal democrats, the bane of democracy...ironic isn't it.
Praxeas
06-20-2009, 12:02 PM
I always vote and oppose these ladies....women. Maxine is nuts. Boxer is arrogant and Frankenstein too
Praxeas
06-20-2009, 12:04 PM
BTW Maxine is a congress woman
Jermyn Davidson
06-20-2009, 01:32 PM
I thought the tone of Boxers "request" was rather flippant too...I wonder if she did this because he is a guy or because he is military
I watched and listened to the video.
Honestly, that BG should have known better. He didn't get to where he is without knowing how to keep greasy wheels from squeeking.
He should have known better.
The incident was quite embarrassing.
She is a Senator, and given the situation, the correction was not out of line.
She did not seem flippant to me.
Regardless, his mistake was inexcusable.
The military prides itself on customs and courtesies. He should have taken the time to remind himself of what's appropriate and what's not.
If he did and he just messed up, well, that's "acceptable" if you're Private Benjamin!
"I didn't know" or "I messed up" is NEVER ACCEPTABLE FOR A BRIGADIER GENERAL!!! :(
I watched and listened to the video.
Honestly, that BG should have known better. He didn't get to where he is without knowing how to keep greasy wheels from squeeking.
He should have known better.
The incident was quite embarrassing.
She is a Senator, and given the situation, the correction was not out of line.
She did not seem flippant to me.
Regardless, his mistake was inexcusable.
The military prides itself on customs and courtesies. He should have taken the time to remind himself of what's appropriate and what's not.
If he did and he just messed up, well, that's "acceptable" if you're Private Benjamin!
"I didn't know" or "I messed up" is NEVER ACCEPTABLE FOR A BRIGADIER GENERAL!!! :(
You are flat out wrong. If you do a google search you will find that this Brigadier General was absolutely using military protocol in calling Barbara Boxer "ma'am" just as military men call male Senator's "sir".
I find it amazing that you defend this woman's crass behaviour.
RandyWayne
06-20-2009, 10:18 PM
You are flat out wrong. If you do a google search you will find that this Brigadier General was absolutely using military protocol in calling Barbara Boxer "ma'am" just as military men call male Senator's "sir".
I find it amazing that you defend this woman's crass behaviour.
When you've gone down the dark road of "Obama-dom" you have to defend an awful lot lest your house of cards collapse.
Jermyn Davidson
06-21-2009, 01:09 AM
You are flat out wrong. If you do a google search you will find that this Brigadier General was absolutely using military protocol in calling Barbara Boxer "ma'am" just as military men call male Senator's "sir".
I find it amazing that you defend this woman's crass behaviour.
No, I am not wrong. You are wrong, Sir.
In this situation, given her position and the fact that he was in uniform and not just holding door for a lady leaving the grocery store or something, he was wrong.
He was addressing an United States Senator!
http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/p600_60/main.asp#tab6_1
This SGT knows his stuff-- what's the excuse for a BRIGADIER GENERAL?
COMPLETE EMBARRASSMENT TO HIS ORGANIZATION!
HE CAN KISS THE 2ND STAR GOOD BYE!
AND I AM NOT OVER REACTING!
He should have known better.
Now, I suggest that you correct your self righteousness and apologize to the Senator (via email) for attempting to correct her when she was correct from the get go.
That Senator was polite-- but many read their own prejudices into the situation.
I don't like Senator Boxer, but she was right in correcting him.
Maybe she could have done so in private, but had I not addressed him properly, you can believe that I would receive an "on-the-spot" correction and it probably would have not been polite.
Praxeas
06-21-2009, 10:21 AM
I don't think this applies for the situation. This protocol is for "Entertainment"....
For example some of the addresses are for "place cards" and "introductions"...speaking of a formal event like a ball or gala when say for example the same Officer would be introducing the Senator or the Senator and his or her spouse
Jermyn Davidson
06-21-2009, 03:02 PM
I don't think this applies for the situation. This protocol is for "Entertainment"....
For example some of the addresses are for "place cards" and "introductions"...speaking of a formal event like a ball or gala when say for example the same Officer would be introducing the Senator or the Senator and his or her spouse
Nope, what I have linked is not "entertainment" specific.
You are mistaken. What I have posted is protocol for "Official Business" as well.
Again, the BG should know this.
Jermyn Davidson
06-21-2009, 04:57 PM
Here's a copy of the email I sent the Senator:
Good Evening Senator,
As a Republican, I really do not like your politics. With that out of the way, I think the correction you gave the Brigadier General was polite and to the point. He was wrong and he should have been prepared before addressing you.
Maybe he just made a simple mistake. However, Privates and BG's shouldn't make the same mistakes.
You could have avoided the negative publicity by correcting him privately, but I am sure that if I had made a mistake in addressing him, an "on-the-spot" correction would be immediate.
I have a link to a website that outlines the military protocol for a variety of situations. I can provide that to you upon request.
Take care and please feel free to change parties any time!!!
Esther
06-21-2009, 09:17 PM
I watched and listened to the video.
Honestly, that BG should have known better. He didn't get to where he is without knowing how to keep greasy wheels from squeeking.
He should have known better.
The incident was quite embarrassing.
She is a Senator, and given the situation, the correction was not out of line.
She did not seem flippant to me.
Regardless, his mistake was inexcusable.
The military prides itself on customs and courtesies. He should have taken the time to remind himself of what's appropriate and what's not.
If he did and he just messed up, well, that's "acceptable" if you're Private Benjamin!
"I didn't know" or "I messed up" is NEVER ACCEPTABLE FOR A BRIGADIER GENERAL!!! :(
You have got to be kidding!
Esther
06-21-2009, 09:20 PM
No, I am not wrong. You are wrong, Sir.
In this situation, given her position and the fact that he was in uniform and not just holding door for a lady leaving the grocery store or something, he was wrong.
He was addressing an United States Senator!
http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/p600_60/main.asp#tab6_1
This SGT knows his stuff-- what's the excuse for a BRIGADIER GENERAL?
COMPLETE EMBARRASSMENT TO HIS ORGANIZATION!
HE CAN KISS THE 2ND STAR GOOD BYE!
AND I AM NOT OVER REACTING!
He should have known better.
Now, I suggest that you correct your self righteousness and apologize to the Senator (via email) for attempting to correct her when she was correct from the get go.
That Senator was polite-- but many read their own prejudices into the situation.
I don't like Senator Boxer, but she was right in correcting him.
Maybe she could have done so in private, but had I not addressed him properly, you can believe that I would receive an "on-the-spot" correction and it probably would have not been polite.
JD I can't believe you are defending this unbelieveable woman, that I hope and pray Ca wakes up and votes out before she helps to finish destroying America. Her ego know no bounds it seems.
Praxeas
06-22-2009, 12:43 AM
Nope, what I have linked is not "entertainment" specific.
You are mistaken. What I have posted is protocol for "Official Business" as well.
Again, the BG should know this.
This is from the link you posted
A Guide to Protocol and Etiquette for Official Entertainment
Praxeas
06-22-2009, 12:44 AM
Here's a copy of the email I sent the Senator:
Good Evening Senator,
As a Republican, I really do not like your politics. With that out of the way, I think the correction you gave the Brigadier General was polite and to the point. He was wrong and he should have been prepared before addressing you.
Maybe he just made a simple mistake. However, Privates and BG's shouldn't make the same mistakes.
You could have avoided the negative publicity by correcting him privately, but I am sure that if I had made a mistake in addressing him, an "on-the-spot" correction would be immediate.
I have a link to a website that outlines the military protocol for a variety of situations. I can provide that to you upon request.
Take care and please feel free to change parties any time!!!
what negative publicity if she did it in a courteous manner?
berkeley
06-22-2009, 08:35 AM
I voted for her... :)
LUKE2447
06-22-2009, 09:27 AM
No, I am not wrong. You are wrong, Sir.
In this situation, given her position and the fact that he was in uniform and not just holding door for a lady leaving the grocery store or something, he was wrong.
He was addressing an United States Senator!
http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/p600_60/main.asp#tab6_1
This SGT knows his stuff-- what's the excuse for a BRIGADIER GENERAL?
COMPLETE EMBARRASSMENT TO HIS ORGANIZATION!
HE CAN KISS THE 2ND STAR GOOD BYE!
AND I AM NOT OVER REACTING!
He should have known better.
Now, I suggest that you correct your self righteousness and apologize to the Senator (via email) for attempting to correct her when she was correct from the get go.
That Senator was polite-- but many read their own prejudices into the situation.
I don't like Senator Boxer, but she was right in correcting him.
Maybe she could have done so in private, but had I not addressed him properly, you can believe that I would receive an "on-the-spot" correction and it probably would have not been polite.
SEE my post above.... she wants to correct it... FINE! IT'S NOT DUE TO HOW HARD SHE WORKED/SOLD HER SELF! WITCH!
LUKE2447
06-22-2009, 09:28 AM
I voted for her... :)
well... like they say respect must be earned and voting for idiot liberals loses a lot.
Jermyn Davidson
06-22-2009, 04:49 PM
what negative publicity if she did it in a courteous manner?
The acid reflux she is experiencing from FOX and people who are ignorantly attacking her very appropriate correction of the BG.
She (her office or her email robot) sent me a response. But it was quite generic.
Jermyn Davidson
06-22-2009, 04:50 PM
JD I can't believe you are defending this unbelieveable woman, that I hope and pray Ca wakes up and votes out before she helps to finish destroying America. Her ego know no bounds it seems.
I am defending her because she was right in her correction of the BG.
Jermyn Davidson
06-22-2009, 04:51 PM
This is from the link you posted
A Guide to Protocol and Etiquette for Official Entertainment
I am telling you, that the only proper way for him to have addressed her was by the greeting, "Senator."
Trust me on this, Prax.
I am correct.
Jermyn Davidson
06-22-2009, 04:54 PM
CCI
I don't like the tone of my responses to you.
In a way, I thought I'd try to be abrasive just for the sake of being abrasive-- but it never bodes well with me to do so.
I apologize for my tone towards you.
However, for the record, Senator Boxer was right for correcting Brigadier General Walsh.
Brigadier General Walsh's mistake was a simple mistake, but his rank and his salary is too high for such mistakes as this.
I am sure he is professionally embarassed-- and he should be.
Jermyn,
No problem. We are both very opinoinated and strong willed individuals with VERY different views.
I do have a question. Nothing you have ever posted even halfway resembles Republican positions yet you identfied yourself to Ms. Boxer as such. Do you really consider yourself a Republican and if so why when you appear to agree with liberal Democrats in every topic of discussion I can think of?
God Bless
Jermyn Davidson
06-22-2009, 06:16 PM
Jermyn,
No problem. We are both very opinoinated and strong willed individuals with VERY different views.
I do have a question. Nothing you have ever posted even halfway resembles Republican positions yet you identfied yourself to Ms. Boxer as such. Do you really consider yourself a Republican and if so why when you appear to agree with liberal Democrats in every topic of discussion I can think of?
God Bless
I am a Registered Republican and will remain so.
I am for abortion only to save the life of the mother.
I am for the death penalty, but only when the DNA evidence present convicts the person being put to death.
I am pro-business and believe that if state and local governments were more pro-business in their policies, the "problem cities" of the north wouldn't be so problematic as there would more jobs and more opportunities for people to make a decent living legally.
I firmly believe that illegal immigrants should be summarilly deported- not to their homelands, but to mexico since it has been the role of the Mexican government to help these folks for so many years.
I think public-charter schools are a great concept-- the perfect blend of government cooperating with private citizens in a venture that everyone has a stake in.
I am for higher taxes on the wealthier, with giving them meaningful incentives that affect their tax rate when they make business decisions that benefit Americans, specifically at the local levels-- the more local and positive the immediate impact of their business decisions, the greater the tax "incentive" should be.
I see many gun control measures as anti- Constitutional, but there are modern issues that must be addressed. Just how, I am not completely sure. It may be best to simply leave this issue in the hands of the local governments (city and county) as the issues of Milwaukee are not the same as Kenosha-- but they are within the same state.
Homosexuality should not be codified by our government, but there are alot of sins our government codifies that are not hot-button issues for us. Why? Simply because we are repulsed by homosexuality-- but our repulsion should not be the basis for public policy if we are not going to be morally correct across the board.
I rejoiced when the Supreme Court refused to hear the most recent case to challenge the military's, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
Outside of my views on taxes, which aren't too far left of center, I consider myself to be to the right of center.
So have I passed your litmus test? :)
MissBrattified
06-22-2009, 06:31 PM
Hmmmm. Well, I think Jermyn is right about the correct form of address.
I don't know that Senator Boxer needed to reprimand him--it did seem petty--but she was within her rights to do so. No different than a judge reminding someone in his/her court to use the term "Your Honor."
If that had been Anne Coulter correcting the BG, we'd all be applauding her pluck and sharp tongue.
Basic etiquette requires that we address others as THEY wish to be addressed. You don't use first names unless given permission to do so, and you always use the most formal title known, unless given permission to address them otherwise. (Such as calling a doctor "Dr. Smith" rather than "MR. Smith.")
The BG very quickly and respectfully corrected his course, and for that I give him high marks. :)
Praxeas
06-22-2009, 06:59 PM
The acid reflux she is experiencing from FOX and people who are ignorantly attacking her very appropriate correction of the BG.
She (her office or her email robot) sent me a response. But it was quite generic.
Oh right....cry her a river why don't you? She is a politician and a very shrewd one. She has been around.
Even if she was right to correct the guy, how she did is not necessarily appropriate.
Praxeas
06-22-2009, 06:59 PM
I am telling you, that the only proper way for him to have addressed her was by the greeting, "Senator."
Trust me on this, Prax.
I am correct.
We all know that is what you are telling us. Why should I trust you? Are you a general in the army?
Pressing-On
06-22-2009, 07:06 PM
Oh right....cry her a river why don't you? She is a politician and a very shrewd one. She has been around.
Even if she was right to correct the guy, how she did is not necessarily appropriate.
People in the military are trained to refer to people higher in the chain of command as "sir" or "ma'am." It is certain that General Michael Walsh meant no disrespect to Senator Barbara Boxer when he referred to her in the same way that he would have referred to, say, a female Lt. General or even the President were the President a female. According to Hot Air's Allahpundit, General Walsh referred to the male Senators at the hearing as "sir" without receiving even a dirty look for any faux pas in protocol.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1857813/barbara_boxer_call_me_senator.html
Jermyn Davidson
06-22-2009, 07:07 PM
We all know that is what you are telling us. Why should I trust you? Are you a general in the army?
nope, I am a SGT and that's why you should trust me in this situation.
In this case, I know what's right.
The Senator was right and she was not rude or unprofessional towards the BG.
What he meant and what was proper are two different things.
Yes we are trained to say, "Ma'am and Sir" , but boot camp (OCS) was a long time for this BG.
I am sure he has learned a lot more along the way-- like the proper way to address a U.S. Senator.
Praxeas
06-22-2009, 07:46 PM
nope, I am a SGT and that's why you should trust me in this situation.
In this case, I know what's right.
The Senator was right and she was not rude or unprofessional towards the BG.
What he meant and what was proper are two different things.
Yes we are trained to say, "Ma'am and Sir" , but boot camp (OCS) was a long time for this BG.
I am sure he has learned a lot more along the way-- like the proper way to address a U.S. Senator.
As far as appropriate, I was speaking of what she said and being a SGT does not make you an expert on what is rude or unprofessional. I thought the way she handled it, particularly with the attitude of working hard to get that title as opposed to working hard FOR US,,,said it all
Jermyn Davidson
06-22-2009, 07:50 PM
As far as appropriate, I was speaking of what she said and being a SGT does not make you an expert on what is rude or unprofessional. I thought the way she handled it, particularly with the attitude of working hard to get that title as opposed to working hard FOR US,,,said it all
Agreed.
I was speaking on the fact that she was right in correcting him.
I missed what she said about working hard for that title as opposed to working hard for us. Quite revealing indeed. Unfortunately, I think there are far too many career politicians-- she's one of them.
berkeley
06-22-2009, 07:53 PM
well... like they say respect must be earned and voting for idiot liberals loses a lot.
Who are you that I should care? Are you someone special?
Man, I did a lot of things out of spite as a backslider. Chill..
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