How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost?

[Jeffrey]

God understands when one speaks in tongues...
1 Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

To understand the purpose of a prayer language(SEE BELOW)

“26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
27 And He Who searches the hearts of men knows what is in the mind of the [Holy] Spirit [what His intent is], because the Spirit intercedes and pleads [before God] in behalf of the saints according to and in harmony with God's will.” Romans 8:26-27 AMP


Interestingly enough, this supernatural phenom described in this portion of 1 Corinthians 14 was private, not hollered so the person next to you can hear you at church, and certainly not screamed on cue by the preacher.

[Jeffrey]

"Thou shalt not commit adultry". Oh, wait a second. Let's go view church history and the orignial Hebrew to see what this means. I'm glad Moses didn't "examine" everything the LORD told him.

I didn't know there was a broken understanding what adultery meant. I didn't realize churches were condemning others, throwing them in the hot place over this non-issue called adultery. Get real.

And while we're at it, this adultery law was a wonderful thing. In fact, the entire Law was a beautiful gift of grace (ironically) from the lawless conditions they had before. It taught them how to live a life fully. It was to be their schoolmaster. It was a beautiful thing. But their sin and rebellion screwed it all up. Adultery when this law was written was 10x more common then it was now. It wasn't a "duh" moment for the Hebrews.

[Standards]

Hmm and what fictional reality are you refering? That Holiness has nothing to do with outer garments? What scripture do you get your dress code from?

It's in your Bible, you're just blind to the truth. Go read your rainbow edition and dream of men with long hair and shorts.

[Standards]

I didn't know there was a broken understanding what adultery meant. I didn't realize churches were condemning others, throwing them in the hot place over this non-issue called adultery. Get real.

And while we're at it, this adultery law was a wonderful thing. In fact, the entire Law was a beautiful gift of grace (ironically) from the lawless conditions they had before. It taught them how to live a life fully. It was to be their schoolmaster. It was a beautiful thing. But their sin and rebellion screwed it all up. Adultery when this law was written was 10x more common then it was now. It wasn't a "duh" moment for the Hebrews.

Nor was there a "broken understanding" when it came to outward apperance and the Jews. They knew how to dress. Unlike some people on this website

[allstate1]

It's in your Bible, you're just blind to the truth. Go read your rainbow edition and dream of men with long hair and shorts.

Thats my point! It is NOT in any Bible! And I would rather dream about women with long hair and shorts!

[Standards]

Thats my point! It is NOT in any Bible! And I would rather dream about women with long hair and shorts!

Then stop reading your pro-gay edition and pick up a KJV

[Justin]

Nor was there a "broken understanding" when it came to outward apperance and the Jews. They knew how to dress. Unlike some people on this website

Yes, and look where it got them.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Nor was there a "broken understanding" when it came to outward apperance and the Jews. They knew how to dress. Unlike some people on this website
Yep, and it wasn't in a pair of immodest pants. Back then modesty applied to men, too, apparently.

[allstate1]

Then stop reading your pro-gay edition and pick up a KJV

Ok I will play your game!! I have a KJV in my hands now tell me where to start reading about the dress code??

[Timmy]

Ok I will play your game!! I have a KJV in my hands now tell me where to start reading about the dress code??

Old paths. The oldest path of all! Genesis 2:25

[allstate1]

Old paths. The oldest path of all! Genesis 2:25

HA Timmy spot on! And have you noticed that when their nakedness was covered no specifics were given??

[seekerman]

HA Timmy spot on! And have you noticed that when their nakedness was covered no specifics were given??

Gen 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

[mfblume]

You are avoiding my question. Could such a person be saved on that desert island? Yes or no? Or do they need an ecclesiastical history book with the bible?I wasn't "avoiding," I was jumping ahead in the dialog. Yes, they could be "saved" - and really saved at that. And they could possess this salvation without a single inclination toward our "Apostolic Distinctives."

Thanks. Of course you would claim their salvation would arrive at the conclusion that Acts 2:38 is not the way. I just wondered how you would see this question in light of your insistence on history to learn reality of historical theology of salvation.

[allstate1]

Have you ever noticed that because of the serpant they were made aware of not being clothed properly??! And now the ultra-cons have taken on the role of the serpant!

[Standards]

Ok I will play your game!! I have a KJV in my hands now tell me where to start reading about the dress code??

Begin with 1 Peter 3:3, 1 Timothy 2:9 and 1 Cor. 11. Then read Exodus 32, 2 Kings 9:30, Jeremiah 4:30, Ezekiel 23:40. Read Romans 1, Psalm 101:3, Philippians 4:8. That's a start and there are many more.

[Standards]

HA Timmy spot on! And have you noticed that when their nakedness was covered no specifics were given??

God clothed them. Their own clothing selection was no sufficient. Liberals...

[allstate1]

Begin with 1 Peter 3:3, 1 Timothy 2:9 and 1 Cor. 11. Then read Exodus 32, 2 Kings 9:30, Jeremiah 4:30, Ezekiel 23:40. Read Romans 1, Psalm 101:3, Philippians 4:8. That's a start and there are many more.

And none of these scriptures give any detail about anything you ultra-cons harp on! No length no style no color! So how do you come up with the skirts that drag your tracks out long sleeves etc etc.....?

[Timmy]

God clothed them. Their own clothing selection was no sufficient. Liberals...

:spit

[pelathais]

Thanks. Of course you would claim their salvation would arrive at the conclusion that Acts 2:38 is not the way. I just wondered how you would see this question in light of your insistence on history to learn reality of historical theology of salvation.

"Acts 2:38 is not the way..." ??? How do you reach that conclusion from what I've said, if I've even understood you here.

Jesus is "the way." That message is encapsulated in part within Acts 2:38, and many other passages as well. The whole book contains the message, for that matter.

[mfblume]

"Acts 2:38 is not the way..." ??? How do you reach that conclusion from what I've said, if I've even understood you here.

Jesus is "the way." That message is encapsulated in part within Acts 2:38, and many other passages as well. The whole book contains the message, for that matter.

You are preaching to the choir. You know what I meant.

[allstate1]

God clothed them. Their own clothing selection was no sufficient. Liberals...

And in Genesis 3:21 what was the difference between Adam and Eve's coat of skins?

[easter]

Clothes and Holy Spirit?How do we connect the two?

:grampa
If we understand and do as Jesus tells us....
Luke 10:27 He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Then everyone would be in a better place on this topic here!

[mfblume]

Clothes and Holy Spirit?How do we connect the two?

:grampa
If we understand and do as Jesus tells us....
Luke 10:27 He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Then everyone would be in a better place on this topic here!

STANDARDS is pulling your leg. lol. You are missing the satire.

[*AQuietPlace*]

STANDARDS is pulling your leg. lol. You are missing the satire.
I don't think he's completely satirical. Prax 'told' us who he was on a different thread, and he is a conservative. He just comes on a little stronger under the name 'Standards'.

[easter]

STANDARDS is pulling your leg. lol. You are missing the satire.

Ha! So I am!

[allstate1]

STANDARDS is pulling your leg. lol. You are missing the satire.

I know standards is a fake! However I am bored and amusing myself!

[mfblume]

I don't think he's completely satirical. Prax 'told' us who he was on a different thread, and he is a conservative. He just comes on a little stronger under the name 'Standards'.

Maybe, but I think he is funning with y'all to an extent. ;)

[mfblume]

I know standards is a fake! However I am bored and amusing myself!

Haha! Reciprocrate! I like it.

[BeenThinkin]

I know standards is a fake! However I am bored and amusing myself!


allstate1, I don't know about you being bored, but Standards is sure boring. He's a prime example of the "the same old song, second verse!"

I hate some of these new songs that repeat the same phrase a dozen times, change a word and then repeat another dozen times. Well to me, that's what Standards sounds like!

I wish Standards would work as hard on his "charity" as he does on his dress. And why does he go to the Old Testament to establish a doctrine for today? Standards, if you keep part of it you gotta keep all of it! You can't pick and choose!

Been Thinkin

[Tommy Darling]

Um, I know I'm a rookie and all, but you guys should back off Standards. He seems sincere. He just believes in outward holiness, that's all.

[easter]

Here is an interesting question concerning the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

Did the Holy Spirit enter Jesus at this point?If so then how confusing,if the Holy Spirit did not come down on Jesus then why do the scriptures indicate that the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus?

Anyone?

[NotforSale]

Then stop reading your pro-gay edition and pick up a KJV

Yeah, the KJV, the one used by all those Priests who couldn't keep their hands off of little boys and girls.

Let's not forget the nuns, either.........

[allstate1]

Um, I know I'm a rookie and all, but you guys should back off Standards. He seems sincere. He just believes in outward holiness, that's all.

Standards is the other personality of another user and only tries to stir up the arguement for his own amusement! Since you are a rookie I have a question? Where does the term outward holiness come fromand why does it mean dress code?

[Tommy Darling]

Oh, ok. Well, I believe in outward holiness, if that's what you're wanting to know. I believe that men and women should wear long sleeves and women shouldn't cut their hair. Women shouldn't wear make up and men shouldn't grow beards. I don't watch Hollywood or tv and I refuse to wear gold. I even avoid watches and gold buttons. I don't believe in slits, short skirts, pants on women, shorts on man or woman, costly clothing, and hair dye.

The Bible teaches us to be holy on the inside and on the outside. If you are holy on the inside, then it will show up on the outside.

[mfblume]

Here is an interesting question concerning the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

Did the Holy Spirit enter Jesus at this point?If so then how confusing,if the Holy Spirit did not come down on Jesus then why do the scriptures indicate that the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus?

Anyone?

For ANOINTING IN MINISTRY as Jesus indicated when he read from Isaiah about "The Spirit of the Lord hath anointed me to preach..."

[mfblume]

Oh, ok. Well, I believe in outward holiness, if that's what you're wanting to know. I believe that men and women should wear long sleeves and women shouldn't cut their hair. Women shouldn't wear make up and men shouldn't grow beards. I don't watch Hollywood or tv and I refuse to wear gold. I even avoid watches and gold buttons. I don't believe in slits, short skirts, pants on women, shorts on man or woman, costly clothing, and hair dye.

The Bible teaches us to be holy on the inside and on the outside. If you are holy on the inside, then it will show up on the outside.

This thread topic is about something totally different than standards. Maybe you could take this to another thread. ;)

..as if threads have never gone off course before. lol

[pelathais]

Here is an interesting question concerning the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

Did the Holy Spirit enter Jesus at this point?If so then how confusing,if the Holy Spirit did not come down on Jesus then why do the scriptures indicate that the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus?

Anyone?

John 1:29-34

The other Gospels give a "You Are There" type of account of the baptism of Jesus, but the Gospel of John takes it from a different angle. Rather than describing the baptism itself, John quotes John the Baptist's account of the baptism after the fact.

It would seem that the passage above takes place as Jesus is returning from the wilderness, so this is something like 40+ days after the baptism and the events surrounding it, the "dove" and all. Seeing it from this angle illuminates a bit more of the scene for us. Also, since John himself was a disciple of John the Baptist it is only natural that this account would be presented in this manner.

To quickly sum up the significance of the "dove" and the "voice" that was heard, from the account in John's Gospel alone one is left with the impression that only John the Baptist saw these signs. Forty or so days later, when he sees Jesus again John then "bares record" and tells his disciples of the events that he had seen and heard when he baptized "that guy right over there!" (To put it colloquially).

The whole "Baptism of Christ" scene and vision appears to have been a sign for John the Baptist alone since he has to reveal this vision to everyone else including his own disciples. Upon hearing the Baptist's account, two of John's disciples (we know one of them is Andrew and the other was probably John, the writer of this account) immediately follow after Jesus and we see a kind of "hand off" of the mantle of ministry from John the Baptist to Jesus Christ.

The appearance of the Holy Spirit then is not some sort of event intended to "anoint" Jesus with the Spirit of God, He already was "God manifest in the flesh." It is an event to mark the man Who was anointed with the Spirit without measure from birth so that John the Baptist would recognize Him for Who He is.

Who even saw this "dove" event?

"And John bare record, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."

[allstate1]

Oh, ok. Well, I believe in outward holiness, if that's what you're wanting to know. I believe that men and women should wear long sleeves and women shouldn't cut their hair. Women shouldn't wear make up and men shouldn't grow beards. I don't watch Hollywood or tv and I refuse to wear gold. I even avoid watches and gold buttons. I don't believe in slits, short skirts, pants on women, shorts on man or woman, costly clothing, and hair dye.

The Bible teaches us to be holy on the inside and on the outside. If you are holy on the inside, then it will show up on the outside.

So outward holiness should be rephrased as THE DRESS CODE? SO you would immediatly say I am unholy because I am wearing a golf shirt?? I know where you get scripture for the gold ,pants on women and no cutting hair for women! But where does the long sleeves ,no beards and shorts come from??

[easter]

For ANOINTING IN MINISTRY as Jesus indicated when he read from Isaiah about "The Spirit of the Lord hath anointed me to preach..."

I understand this but if Jesus is God then why did God's Spirit come down and rest on him?How could his own Spirit come down and rest on him?

I know,I know.... to much thinking but it is an interesting and oddly confusing concept to get into!Also did Jesus perform any miracles before the Holy Spirit came down on him?
And I do know that Jesus is God's Son but still not sure about the oneness because I lean more to the Trinity of God!Also I know Jesus already had God's Spirit but it's still interesting when you think about it!

[mfblume]

I understand this but if Jesus is God then why did God's Spirit come down and rest on him?How could his own Spirit come down and rest on him?That is ONENESS 101 material. Jesus AS A MAN HAD TO BE anointed.

I know,I know.... to much thinking but it is an interesting and oddly confusing concept to get into!Also did Jesus perform any miracles before the Holy Spirit came down on him?

No miracles are recorded, God is silent on the issue, I doubt it, but we cannot say.

[Standards]

Some things are preached as preferences. Beards are not discussed in scripture too much, but the Jews were commanded not to touch their beard.

Leviticus 19:27:Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Leviticus 21:5:They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.

There seems to be an all or nothing approach when it comes to beards in the Bible, therefore, sense we can't look neat with a beard that is never trimmed, we should shave it off.

As for the sleeves, a line has to be drawn somewhere. I don't want people up on our platform with muscle shirts on. If you don't draw the line somewhere, you
're going to have a hard time maintaining any type of holiness.

[Tommy Darling]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks Standards. If if you are a fake.

[Standards]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks Standards. If if you are a fake.

It's the liberals on this site that are fakes. I'm just preaching the truth

[Timmy]

Some things are preached as preferences. Beards are not discussed in scripture too much, but the Jews were commanded not to touch their beard.

Leviticus 19:27:Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Leviticus 21:5:They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.

There seems to be an all or nothing approach when it comes to beards in the Bible, therefore, sense we can't look neat with a beard that is never trimmed, we should shave it off.

Where does the Bible say we should "look neat"?


As for the sleeves, a line has to be drawn somewhere. I don't want people up on our platform with muscle shirts on. If you don't draw the line somewhere, you
're going to have a hard time maintaining any type of holiness.

I know what you mean. The last church I attended didn't have a dress code for the platform, and I had to stop going when the worship leader quit wearing clothes altogether.

(Hey, if you can pull our legs, we can pull yours! :lol)

[allstate1]

It's the liberals on this site that are fakes. I'm just preaching the truth

The truth aint in you! You dont even believe what you are saying!! Your personal preference issues have turned a lot of people away!

[*AQuietPlace*]

There seems to be an all or nothing approach when it comes to beards in the Bible, therefore, sense we can't look neat with a beard that is never trimmed, we should shave it off.



That's the most illogical thing I've ever heard in my life. Seriously. I've heard some goofy reasoning, but that tops it.

You just posted where GOD commanded them to NOT SHAVE it. Why do you get to ignore that??

[Standards]

That's the most illogical thing I've ever heard in my life. Seriously. I've heard some goofy reasoning, but that tops it.

You just posted where GOD commanded them to NOT SHAVE it. Why do you get to ignore that??

Do you shave your beard?

[Timmy]

Do you shave your beard?

:spit

[*AQuietPlace*]

:spit
:ursofunny

Yeah, and my legs, too.

:D :D

[Timmy]

:ursofunny

Yeah, and my legs, too.

:D :D

:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

[allstate1]

That's the most illogical thing I've ever heard in my life. Seriously. I've heard some goofy reasoning, but that tops it.

You just posted where GOD commanded them to NOT SHAVE it. Why do you get to ignore that??

He also qouted the one about make no baldness upon your head! So now if you shave your head you are hell bound!

[Standards]

:ursofunny

Yeah, and my legs, too.

:D :D

Ok, so either your gay or your a woman. If you're gay, you're going to Hell. If you're a woman, you shouldn't even be involved in this discussion, according to Paul

[Timmy]

Ok, so either your gay or your a woman. If you're gay, you're going to Hell. If you're a woman, you shouldn't even be involved in this discussion, according to Paul

:spit :toofunny :ursofunny :laffatu

[allstate1]

Ok, so either your gay or your a woman. If you're gay, you're going to Hell. If you're a woman, you shouldn't even be involved in this discussion, according to Paul

Standard get a job!!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Ok, so either your gay or your a woman. If you're gay, you're going to Hell. If you're a woman, you shouldn't even be involved in this discussion, according to Paul
Somehow I knew you were going to say that.

[Timmy]

Been a while since we've had a more entertaining thread than this one! :lol

[allstate1]

Ok, so either your gay or your a woman. If you're gay, you're going to Hell. If you're a woman, you shouldn't even be involved in this discussion, according to Paul

So if a man shaves his legs he is gay??? O lord my wife will never believe I am gay! I guess I have a confession when I get home!

[Standards]

Somehow I knew you were going to say that.

So go read your books and do the laundry. Leave the Biblical discussion to the men.

[Standards]

So if a man shaves his legs he is gay??? O lord my wife will never believe I am gay! I guess I have a confession when I get home!

Your sick, is what you are.

[Tommy Darling]

Okay, Standards. You're going overboard. Whew.

[Timmy]

So if a man shaves his legs he is gay??? O lord my wife will never believe I am gay! I guess I have a confession when I get home!

http://thevinylvillage.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/church_lady.jpg

[Standards]

Okay, Standards. You're going overboard. Whew.

Why? Because I'm obeying the Bible?

[allstate1]

Your sick, is what you are.

LOL you my friend are very entertaining! So you need to stop since you believe entertainment is a sin!!

[BeenThinkin]

Been a while since we've had a more entertaining thread than this one! :lol


Yea, but ya'll better let up on Standards. Apparently God has retired or taken some time off and has appointed Standards to take His place and Standards is just making up the rules as he goes.

Next thing you know he'll be on Obama's team! PROBABLY ALREADY IS!!! He'd be an asset to Obama! Lotta air, probably little hair and no "gumption," if you know what that is!

Been Thinkin

And Standard needs to do "some thinkin'"

[*AQuietPlace*]

So go read your books and do the laundry. Leave the Biblical discussion to the men.
You're just intimidated because I'm smarter than you. :D

[Standards]

Yea, but ya'll better let up on Standards. Apparently God has retired or taken some time off and has appointed Standards to take His place and Standards is just making up the rules as he goes.

Next thing you know he'll be on Obama's team! PROBABLY ALREADY IS!!! He'd be an asset to Obama! Lotta air, probably little hair and no "gumption," if you know what that is!

Been Thinkin

And Standard needs to do "some thinkin'"

Shut up liberal.Go fix your hose and paint your nails.

[allstate1]

Shut up liberal.Go fix your hose and paint your nails.

WOW he gets funnier by the minute! Assuming its a he!! LOL

[BeenThinkin]

Heh Standards.... the Thread was "How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost." You didn't address that! The Holy Ghost is there to lead you into all truth. You need to start following.

By the way, I have a very difficult question for you. Would it be a sin for a woman to shave her face? Scripture? Why did God put a beard on a man if He didn't want it to be there? And I also ask, where does the Bible say we men must "be neat?"

BT

[Jeffrey]

That is ONENESS 101 material. Jesus AS A MAN HAD TO BE anointed.



No miracles are recorded, God is silent on the issue, I doubt it, but we cannot say.

How can he be exclusively a man apart from God, yet still retain the ability to be "fully God?"

I can't reconcile that. It doesn't make sense. I accept it, but I accept it as a mystery of sorts. If someone is fully a man, they are not Divine at all. Once they are Divine, they cannot be fully a man (never met a human that was Divine yet).

Oneness gets quite complicated. Trinitarian explanations get equally complicated

[Standards]

You're just intimidated because I'm smarter than you. :D

Provers chapter nine and verse thirteen:
A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.

[*AQuietPlace*]

WOW he gets funnier by the minute! Assuming its a he!! LOL
Apparently he doesn't have much of a spirit of discernment. Can't tell males from females. ;)

(and since he's going to say it's because we liberals are all unisex with our cut hair and pants, I'll mention that I'm wearing a skirt, and my uncut hair is below my waist ;))

[Jeffrey]

So if a man shaves his legs he is gay??? O lord my wife will never believe I am gay! I guess I have a confession when I get home!

What is the definition of being gay by the way? Curious.

Funny, Standards (and his ilk) are so hot-headed about homosexuals, but they deny the most masculine God-given feature a man could have: facial hair.

[allstate1]

Provers chapter nine and verse thirteen:
A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.

What about foolish standards??

[Timmy]

Apparently he doesn't have much of a spirit of discernment. Can't tell males from females. ;)

(and since he's going to say it's because we liberals are all unisex with our cut hair and pants, I'll mention that I'm wearing a skirt, and my uncut hair is below my waist ;))

Hey, Stan. Am I a guy or a gal? :heeheehee

[Jeffrey]

Apparently he doesn't have much of a spirit of discernment. Can't tell males from females. ;)

(and since he's going to say it's because we liberals are all unisex with our cut hair and pants, I'll mention that I'm wearing a skirt, and my uncut hair is below my waist ;))

Wow. I learned something today. I didn't think that would describe you.

[*AQuietPlace*]

How can he be exclusively a man apart from God, yet still retain the ability to be "fully God?"

I can't reconcile that. It doesn't make sense. I accept it, but I accept it as a mystery of sorts. If someone is fully a man, they are not Divine at all. Once they are Divine, they cannot be fully a man (never met a human that was Divine yet).

Oneness gets quite complicated. Trinitarian explanations get equally complicated
I thought the thread had gone totally goofy.

Good post here.

I agree that both explanations leave areas that cause me to scratch my head. I'm still looking for an explanation that makes it all clear.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Wow. I learned something today. I didn't think that would describe you.
Why?

[Standards]

Heh Standards.... the Thread was "How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost." You didn't address that! The Holy Ghost is there to lead you into all truth. You need to start following.

By the way, I have a very difficult question for you. Would it be a sin for a woman to shave her face? Scripture? Why did God put a beard on a man if He didn't want it to be there? And I also ask, where does the Bible say we men must "be neat?"

BT

You better get off this forum right now. Your favorite soap opera is on. Don't want you to miss that

[BeenThinkin]

Provers chapter nine and verse thirteen:
A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.


Where is Provers? Is that in the NT or OT. Allstate, it couldn't be a she. You know if she was she'd be "reading her books (is that Biblical commandments) and doing the laundry."

And by the way I don't wear hose and I don't fix my nails. You didn't answer my question, did just like many UCons and threw out a harsh mouthful of words to try to cover your ta.... okay, your backside!

BT

[Jeffrey]

Why?

Don't know.

You're thinking is independent, soundly reasoned... guess I figured you were a "practicing liberal" like myself.

[Timmy]

Heh Standards.... the Thread was "How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost." You didn't address that! The Holy Ghost is there to lead you into all truth. You need to start following.

By the way, I have a very difficult question for you. Would it be a sin for a woman to shave her face? Scripture? Why did God put a beard on a man if He didn't want it to be there? And I also ask, where does the Bible say we men must "be neat?"

BT
I can't answer those questions.

:thumbsup

[Jeffrey]

I thought the thread had gone totally goofy.

Good post here.

I agree that both explanations leave areas that cause me to scratch my head. I'm still looking for an explanation that makes it all clear.

Yeah, it boggles my mind.

I've heard the godhead ninjas break it down. But they get to reciting their lines as if they are creeds themselves, just like my Trinitarian friends do. I have to stop them for a moment to interact on a point.

Blume says that God is omnipresent and can be in two places at once, and that is a solution to this dilemma. It hasn't resolved the dilemma for me though.

[Standards]

Where is Provers? Is that in the NT or OT. Allstate, it couldn't be a she. You know if she was she'd be "reading her books (is that Biblical commandments) and doing the laundry."

And by the way I don't wear hose and I don't fix my nails. You didn't answer my question, did just like many UCons and threw out a harsh mouthful of words to try to cover your ta.... okay, your backside!

BT

Go read your romance novel and leave the discussion to REAL men. Maybe you should check out Jeanette Oak. I hear she's just your type of writer

[*AQuietPlace*]

Don't know.

You're thinking is independent, soundly reasoned... guess I figured you were a "practicing liberal" like myself.
I can't think reasonably with long hair? :D

I've shared my story on here quite a bit, I figured you knew. I'm part of a very conservative family and until recently attended a conservative church. I haven't cut my hair because my husband loves it the way it is, and it doesn't bother me. I happen to be wearing a skirt at the moment, but will wear pants when the occasion warrants it.

I guess I'm a moderately practicing liberal. ;)

[allstate1]

Go read your romance novel and leave the discussion to REAL men. Maybe you should check out Jeanette Oak. I hear she's just your type of writer

Does REAL men include me since I shave off my body hair??

[BeenThinkin]

Yeah, it boggles my mind.

I've heard the godhead ninjas break it down. But they get to reciting their lines as if they are creeds themselves, just like my Trinitarian friends do. I have to stop them for a moment to interact on a point.

Blume says that God is omnipresent and can be in two places at once, and that is a solution to this dilemma. It hasn't resolved the dilemma for me though.


Jeffrey ... great point! :thumbsup Why don't you ask Standards? He's got all the answers.

And by the way Standards I wasn't watching the Soaps, I was watching Sex In The City! (Not so! I don't watch that show!) I have yet to figure out how it is that all that self-righteous, outward appearance, holier than thou stuff makes you have such an ugly, ungodly, harsh attitude and spirit!

Now don't question my spirit. I'm not righteous like you. I'm a liberal, I guess, as you said!

Hang in there Standard. Maybe someday you will get the Holy Ghost for real, and no longer be a sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal!

BT

[Jeffrey]

I can't think reasonably with long hair? :D

I've shared my story on here quite a bit, I figured you knew. I'm part of a very conservative family and until recently attended a conservative church. I haven't cut my hair because my husband loves it the way it is, and it doesn't bother me. I happen to be wearing a skirt at the moment, but will wear pants when the occasion warrants it.

I guess I'm a moderately practicing liberal. ;)

Fine by me :) :thumbsup

Your husband.... does he like it or is he very cautious and uncertain about it all? I've found for men that theologically make heads or tails on these subjects, it's one thing to theorize and another to see it in your home. Women become an idol of sorts, a "just in case" amulet for salvation and sanity. Not saying that's your story, but no lie I just had this same conversation a couple weeks back with a man that did.

And yes, of course you can reason with cut or uncut hair just the same (though it's the "reasoning" for denying the scissors that boggles the mind). :razz

[Jeffrey]

Jeffrey ... great point! :thumbsup Why don't you ask Standards? He's got all the answers.

And by the way Standards I wasn't watching the Soaps, I was watching Sex In The City! (Not so! I don't watch that show!) I have yet to figure out how it is that all that self-righteous, outward appearance, holier than thou stuff makes you have such an ugly, ungodly, harsh attitude and spirit!

Now don't question my spirit. I'm not righteous like you. I'm a liberal, I guess, as you said!

Hang in there Standard. Maybe someday you will get the Holy Ghost for real, and no longer be a sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal!

BT

I'll pray for you about your Sex In the City addictions. :thumbsdown

hahaha

Standards? Ah, he's a fake. Sort of took the wind out of my sails.

[Standards]

Does REAL men include me since I shave off my body hair??

Your gay as a three dollar bill

[allstate1]

Your gay as a three dollar bill

How does shaving all my hair make me gay?? You shave part of yours so are you part gay??

[Standards]

I can't think reasonably with long hair? :D

I've shared my story on here quite a bit, I figured you knew. I'm part of a very conservative family and until recently attended a conservative church. I haven't cut my hair because my husband loves it the way it is, and it doesn't bother me. I happen to be wearing a skirt at the moment, but will wear pants when the occasion warrants it.

I guess I'm a moderately practicing liberal. ;)

You'll cut your hair soon. It's already in your heart to do so

[BeenThinkin]

Go read your romance novel and leave the discussion to REAL men. Maybe you should check out Jeanette Oak. I hear she's just your type of writer


Come on "Big Daddy Standards" it's time you start answering a few questions instead of answering with slurs and accusations. And who is Jeanette Oak? She must be your type! I don't know who she is!

As far as being a REAL man, is there any way that you can prove that! I've seen nothing from you yet that would make me think that!

Been Thinkin

[Timmy]

Your gay as a three dollar bill

Now that was uncalled for! Uh. Wait. Are three-dollar bills gay? :hmmm

[*AQuietPlace*]

Fine by me :) :thumbsup

Your husband.... does he like it or is he very cautious and uncertain about it all? I've found for men that theologically make heads or tails on these subjects, it's one thing to theorize and another to see it in your home. Women become an idol of sorts, a "just in case" amulet for salvation and sanity. Not saying that's your story, but no lie I just had this same conversation a couple weeks back with a man that did.

And yes, of course you can reason with cut or uncut hair just the same (though it's the "reasoning" for denying the scissors that boggles the mind). :razz
No, he doesn't feel that way about it. He said he doesn't mind if I shape it and trim it, he just doesn't want the length shortened because he's always loved long hair. I just haven't done anything at all to it yet.

[NotforSale]

Folks, Standards is Osama Bin Laden playing on his computer in a cave over in Afghanistan!

He thinks we're all a bunch of Infidels!

MAN THE TORPEDOS!!!

:pirates

[*AQuietPlace*]

You'll cut your hair soon. It's already in your heart to do so
Probably so. :)

[Jeffrey]

No, he doesn't feel that way about it. He said he doesn't mind if I shape it and trim it, he just doesn't want the length shortened because he's always loved long hair. I just haven't done anything at all to it yet.

I love longer hair as well. Trimmed and taken care of all the more.

I take that back, when I say "long," down to the knees is too long to me. But I've seen it look really good on some. A few of my Filipino friends have hair to their knee caps. Trimmed, straight and LOOOONG. Looks great on them.

[BeenThinkin]

We probably need to stop and say a prayer for "Big Daddy Standards." I think we've overloaded his wagon. He hasn't posted in the last few seconds and he always has an answer for everything. Maybe he's in "righteous shock!"

BT

[Standards]

Come on "Big Daddy Standards" it's time you start answering a few questions instead of answering with slurs and accusations. And who is Jeanette Oak? She must be your type! I don't know who she is!

As far as being a REAL man, is there any way that you can prove that! I've seen nothing from you yet that would make me think that!

Been Thinkin

I can prove it. Meet me somewhere in a secluded area. You'll be runnin home to mommy when I get through with you

[Jeffrey]

I can prove it. Meet me somewhere in a secluded area. You'll be runnin home to mommy when I get through with you

So I guess Mt 5-7 don't apply to you? Too "clear and simple?" Too plain of meaning? :blah

[allstate1]

We probably need to stop and say a prayer for "Big Daddy Standards." I think we've overloaded his wagon. He hasn't posted in the last few seconds and he always has an answer for everything. Maybe he's in "righteous shock!"

BT

Nah probably in the dictionary and thesauras looking up word definitions!

[Standards]

So I guess Mt 5-7 don't apply to you? Too "clear and simple?" Too plain of meaning? :blah

Are you a man or a woman? Can't tell the women from the fags on this site

[allstate1]

Are you a man or a woman? Can't tell the women from the fags on this site

I will meet you in a secluded area!!!!!

[BeenThinkin]

I can prove it. Meet me somewhere in a secluded area. You'll be runnin home to mommy when I get through with you


WOW! What does a REAL MAN do in a secluded area? I think it's probably time for me to stop this mess. I remember a scripture... Mt 7:6* Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

BT

[Standards]

I will meet you in a secluded area!!!!!

No thanks. You probably have other intentions

[allstate1]

No thanks. You probably have other intentions

Ofcourse!! You scared??

[Jeffrey]

Are you a man or a woman? Can't tell the women from the fags on this site

Huh? Left field.

Yeah, clearly Mt 5-7 is too plain and simple for you to take at "face value."

Please no one report him. Far too entertaining for the forum.

[Standards]

Ofcourse!! You scared??

Go and find Lanny Wolf. You and him have a lot in common

[allstate1]

Ok I have amused myself enough with stupidity today! I gotta make some money!

[Timmy]

Ok I have amused myself enough with stupidity today! I gotta make some money!

(Eagerly waiting to see what Stan does with this! :lol)

[*AQuietPlace*]

I love and respect a lot of conservatives. I hate it when conservatives are made to look so bad. I really do. The ones in my life wouldn't resort to some of the language and attitudes that are on this thread, even while 'spoofing'.

[Standards]

Ok I have amused myself enough with stupidity today! I gotta make some money!

Just don't give us the details. Enjoy your work on harry hines

[Jeffrey]

After these posers are done, we should have an agreement that they will say who they are. Should we take bets which AFF regular is posing?

[ouden katakrim]

Now that was uncalled for! Uh. Wait. Are three-dollar bills gay? :hmmm

No...they're not gay...but they are queer.

ouden

[Jeffrey]

I love and respect a lot of conservatives. I hate it when conservatives are made to look so bad. I really do. The ones in my life wouldn't resort to some of the language and attitudes that are on this thread, even while 'spoofing'.

It's a 50/50 split for me.

But I hate when any group is demonized and caricatured. Just advances and accomplishes nothing.

This Michael Savage for Jesus poser is about done I'd imagine.

[allstate1]

Just don't give us the details. Enjoy your work on harry hines

Let me write you a life policy!

[Timmy]

(Eagerly waiting to see what Stan does with this! :lol)

Just don't give us the details. Enjoy your work on harry hines

And I wasn't disappointed! :lol

[BeenThinkin]

Ok I have amused myself enough with stupidity today! I gotta make some money!


Allstate...Allstate... His name was Standards not Stupidity!!! Although I guess he could change it!

Just saying...

Been Thinkin

[Timmy]

No...they're not gay...but they are queer.

ouden

Ahhh, I see! ;)

[*AQuietPlace*]

After these posers are done, we should have an agreement that they will say who they are. Should we take bets which AFF regular is posing?
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=30206

Post #3

[Jeffrey]

Standards, did you know Alan Greenspan was pretty much an avowed atheist?

[Standards]

Standards, did you know Alan Greenspan was pretty much an avowed atheist?

And your point

[Jeffrey]

And your point

I just think you're such a liberal to idolize some man as to put his image on your profile. What idolatry! He's a Jewish atheist reprobate! You are on a slippery slope brother.

[Tommy Darling]

wow! this thread really go out of hand!!!

[Jeffrey]

wow! this thread really go out of hand!!!

Are you new to AFF?

[Standards]

I just think you're such a liberal to idolize some man as to put his image on your profile. What idolatry! He's a Jewish atheist reprobate! You are on a slippery slope brother.

I don't idolize the man. I didn't even know who it was. I just saw the picture and liked it

[Tommy Darling]

just a rookie looking for a place to chat

[Jeffrey]

just a rookie looking for a place to chat

Hmmm...

[BeenThinkin]

I don't idolize the man. I didn't even know who it was. I just saw the picture and liked it


Where's your discernment "Big Daddy Standards"? You can judge us here on AFF but you don't even know who you put on your page as your Avatar? Boy that doesn't say much for you and your spirituality!

Wake up Standards.... you ain't giving out a certain or sure sound! Your trumpet must have mud in it!

BT

[Jeffrey]

I don't idolize the man. I didn't even know who it was. I just saw the picture and liked it

You should really be more careful, brother.

We don't just copy and paste things on the internet! You must use better judgment and Spirit-leading. You are representing your great words of Truth with the image of an infadel.

Walk upright and stay in the Spirit. Repent of your wrong doing.

Shalom.

[Tommy Darling]

"Hmmmm..."? is there something wrong with that?

[Standards]

You should really be more careful, brother.

We don't just copy and paste things on the internet! You must use better judgment and Spirit-leading. You are representing your great words of Truth with the image of an infadel.

Walk upright and stay in the Spirit. Repent of your wrong doing.

Shalom.

Get thee behind me... Didn't know who it was, so I'll change it

[BeenThinkin]

I don't idolize the man. I didn't even know who it was. I just saw the picture and liked it


Standards, I think you need a new Avatar! Here's my suggestion for you! :ursofunny

BT

[Jeffrey]

Get thee behind me... Didn't know who it was, so I'll change it

Amen.

Tell him to get behind you. Like Peter, we don't know how quickly we defy the will of God. Glad to see a humble spirit in you.

Now, choose one of your favorite preachers and put them on that there profile image.

[Jeffrey]

"Hmmmm..."? is there something wrong with that?

No just funny how when posers come into these forums, a newbie or two is always riding shotgun.

[easter]

:neener :pullhair

WsUaQUW-Az0&feature=related

[Tommy Darling]

poser? man, i just want to chat. in fact, i'm willing throw my e-mail address out there just to prove who i am.

tommy.darling@yahoo.com

send me an e-mail. maybe we can be friends.

[*AQuietPlace*]

poser? man, i just want to chat. in fact, i'm willing throw my e-mail address out there just to prove who i am.

tommy.darling@yahoo.com

send me an e-mail. maybe we can be friends.
Don't worry, people are always suspicious of newcomers. :) You'll earn your credentials if you stick around. ;)

[Standards]

Amen.

Tell him to get behind you. Like Peter, we don't know how quickly we defy the will of God. Glad to see a humble spirit in you.

Now, choose one of your favorite preachers and put them on that there profile image.

Better

[BeenThinkin]

Standards, I think you need a new Avatar! Here's my suggestion for you! :ursofunny

BT



Standard if Frankie won't work as an Avatar, you might try this one! You and he are a lot alike!

Been fun spoofing you! Hope you were spoofing? If not I'm surely praying for you!

Been Thinkin

[*AQuietPlace*]

Better
Better, as long as you take that head-covering off when you pray. ;)

[BeenThinkin]

Better



Standard I sent you two Avatar's for your consideration! I think both would work well for you!

Now don't be so picky! You were with your first selection.

BT

[Tommy Darling]

ok. i guess i understand. would enjoy receiving e-mail from you guys anyway though.

[BeenThinkin]

:neener :pullhair

WsUaQUW-Az0&feature=related

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

BT

[Standards]

Standard I sent you two Avatar's for your consideration! I think both would work well for you!

Now don't be so picky! You were with your first selection.

BT

I am happy with the one I've got, thank you. Just go back to looking through your JC Penny's catalog

[Jeffrey]

poser? man, i just want to chat. in fact, i'm willing throw my e-mail address out there just to prove who i am.

tommy.darling@yahoo.com

send me an e-mail. maybe we can be friends.

Yeah, so many posers on here that it breeds suspicion. Even an email is meaningless. I mean, a poser has to create an email account to get onto AFF anyway.

[Tommy Darling]

you don't have to trust me if you don't want to. if you send me an e-mail i will respond. i would like to gain some new friends.

[BeenThinkin]

I am happy with the one I've got, thank you. Just go back to looking through your JC Penny's catalog


I will have to say the one you picked does become you! I do have one other suggestion! Please give it much consideration. I may have even been inspired by "?? God ??" (Nah!). :razz

Either one of these would work for your disposition! Or maybe both since you seem to have a split personality! Please give it prayerful consideration! :ursofunny

BT

[Standards]

I will have to say the one you picked does become you! I do have one other suggestion! Please give it much consideration. I may have even been inspired by "?? God ??" (Nah!). :razz

Either one of these would work for your disposition! Or maybe both since you seem to have a split personality! Please give it prayerful consideration! :ursofunny

BT

You will be brought down one day. Laugh now, but you won't be laughing soon, buster

[allstate1]

You will be brought down one day. Laugh now, but you won't be laughing soon, buster

Get off the net!!!!!!!! Its a sin!!

[BeenThinkin]

Get off the net!!!!!!!! Its a sin!!


I wonder if Standards overseer, superintendent, chairman..... whoever is keeping an eye on him, (and boy I hope there is someone doing that), knows that he has a computer that has the capability of viewing so much more ungodly stuff than the TV has ever been capable of doing?

Standard, you better do as allstate said, and "shun the very appearance of evil." Get rid of that evil computer and get your nose in the Bible. (And make sure it's the King James Version.)

In fact as holy as you are you shouldn't even look at the JC Pennys catalog because it has pictures of girls in skimpy underwear, (I think), and you might be tempted to lust. Just saying.....

Been Thinkin

[easter]

Do I Look Different?I kinda like this look:toofunny

[BeenThinkin]

Do I Look Different?I kinda like this look:toofunny


You do look DIFFERENT! I would rather use Walter than Frank, I think! :ursofunny

BT

[Standards]

I wonder if Standards overseer, superintendent, chairman..... whoever is keeping an eye on him, (and boy I hope there is someone doing that), knows that he has a computer that has the capability of viewing so much more ungodly stuff than the TV has ever been capable of doing?

Standard, you better do as allstate said, and "shun the very appearance of evil." Get rid of that evil computer and get your nose in the Bible. (And make sure it's the King James Version.)

In fact as holy as you are you shouldn't even look at the JC Pennys catalog because it has pictures of girls in skimpy underwear, (I think), and you might be tempted to lust. Just saying.....

Been Thinkin

Wanna know what I've looked at today? This forum. Hmmm... Somebody has to set you liberals straight.

[allstate1]

Wanna know what I've looked at today? This forum. Hmmm... Somebody has to set you liberals straight.

take your meds and go back to sleep!!

[Standards]

take your meds and go back to sleep!!

I've got a pill for you. It's called, "WAKE UP AND SEE THE TRUTH".

[allstate1]

Wanna know what I've looked at today? This forum. Hmmm... Somebody has to set you liberals straight.

I see the truth!! You need to be admitted!!

[allstate1]

@ Standards Going back to the thread title, how many times did you ask for the holy ghost?? Did you repent of your haughty attitude? You are backslidden my friend and are hell bound!

[Standards]

@ Standards Going back to the thread title, how many times did you ask for the holy ghost?? Did you repent of your haughty attitude? You are backslidden my friend and are hell bound!

Don't tell me I'm hell bound you liberal, washed up, leg shaver.

[allstate1]

Don't tell me I'm hell bound you liberal, washed up, leg shaver.

LOL semi liberal and yes i am washed up cleanliness is next to Godliness and I hate body hair! Tell me ole wise a.... i mean one where do you find it a sin to shave legs????

[mizpeh]

You will be brought down one day. Laugh now, but you won't be laughing soon, busterHow old are you?:bigbaby

I don't think I even want to discuss anything with you because you could be a misguided teenager for all I know.

[Standards]

How old are you?:bigbaby

I don't think I even want to discuss anything with you because you could be a misguided teenager for all I know.

A teenager? Hahaha. That's rich.

[Standards]

LOL semi liberal and yes i am washed up cleanliness is next to Godliness and I hate body hair! Tell me ole wise a.... i mean one where do you find it a sin to shave legs????

"I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes". I would say that looking at your shaved legs would be a sin. At least, it should be. It's just downright g...i mean, unmanly.

[mizpeh]

A teenager? Hahaha. That's rich.A grumpy old man, then? :grampa

Coming on AFF with no view to discuss the scriptures but to rail on others is immature. You've only alienated those who don't believe like you even further from what you think is the truth and cemented the caricature they have of conservatives in their minds. IOW, you've done more damage than good.

[mfblume]

It's just downright g...i mean, unmanly.

I will say it. GAY! :)

There, I said it. Sue me. lololol

[allstate1]

"I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes". I would say that looking at your shaved legs would be a sin. At least, it should be. It's just downright g...i mean, unmanly.

But you will never see my legs I dont wear shorts! And if you were looking at my wicked legs wouldnt YOU be in sin??

[allstate1]

I will say it. GAY! :)

There, I said it. Sue me. lololol

Do you think its a sin also??

[Jeffrey]

I will say it. GAY! :)

There, I said it. Sue me. lololol

The very heterosexual Romans shaved their legs. Come on Mike... it may just come back in style.

[mfblume]

The very heterosexual Romans shaved their legs. Come on Mike... it may just come back in style.

Not in my books. My opinion alone, though.... and my wife's. ;) (NO, I did not want to at one time, either). lo

[mfblume]

Do you think its a sin also??

I would not say it was a sin. So it is not to that degree of gaity. lol

[Timmy]

I would not say it was a sin. So it is not to that degree of gaity. lol

So, it's only a little gay, and that's not sin? :heeheehee

[mfblume]

So, it's only a little gay, and that's not sin? :heeheehee

It's gay-like, not full-fledged gaity. Not every man with a prissy voice is homosexual either, but it grates on me still. :vomit

[Jeffrey]

It's gay-like, not full-fledged gaity. Not every man with a prissy voice is homosexual either, but it grates on me still. :vomit

LOL

[NotforSale]

I'm an avid cyclist. For over 20 years I've ridden with men who shave their legs and I've never met one Gay rider. The mainstay of professional cyclists' shave their legs. Go ahead, go up to Lance Armstrong and call him Gay, to his face. You may find out he won't like that.

:club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHJErrp4eOw

[Jeffrey]

I get what Mike is saying though.

Not all leg shavers are gay/effeminant, nor are all leg shavers athletes (cyclists, swimmers, etc)

I'm sure I can find a UFC champ that wears silks to bed, shapes his eyebrows regularly, has a monthly pedi and wears cover-up. It's still generally regarded as quote effeminant.

Heck, Dennis Rodman dressed in drag. I wouldn't confront him either! But I will safely, behind my computer, definitely say that was rather feminine and queer.

[tv1a]

Looks as if I have to find a bigger word to use. lolIt means admin thought the word was too crass, so they censored it with "******"

[tv1a]

May I borrow your National Geographic magazines.... and a black sharpie, in case you missed a page?

I am happy with the one I've got, thank you. Just go back to looking through your JC Penny's catalog

[mfblume]

I'm an avid cyclist. For over 20 years I've ridden with men who shave their legs and I've never met one Gay rider. The mainstay of professional cyclists' shave their legs. Go ahead, go up to Lance Armstrong and call him Gay, to his face. You may find out he won't like that.

:club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHJErrp4eOw

Yesssssssssss.