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Real Realism
01-13-2014, 08:41 AM
I'll admit it. I'm a cynic. Probably to unhealthy levels. I try daily to overcome this tendency and not allow it to hinder my faith. But especially when it comes to faith in PEOPLE...I have a hard time getting past my own mind, my history of men and women not being trustworthy, or being ignorant, etc.

Have you ever been in one of those services with a man who evangelizes as a "prophet"? And he goes about during the service saying things like any worldly "medium" might say.

Medium/Prophet: "Someone here...has children...in California? A name...that starts with a "D"..."
Woman in audience of 300 tentatively raises her hand.
Medium/Prophet: "God is going to restore your relationships."
Woman cries because she has children in California she gave up for adoption.

Now - I know this woman, and God DID reunite her and give her a relationship with all her children. But the whole "Is there...a woman...in here...who's name starts with "L"..." thing really, really sounds like any weird "medium" talk show you might see on TV.

There's a big name "prophet" in the UPC who we once saw...At one service, he called out a man who was visiting the US from Liberia. The prophet started talking about how he knew someone from Guyana...and started describing the country of Guyana...and how God was calling this man to go to Guyana...and how Guyana is near Liberia, correct?

Well, the problem is, Guyana is a country in South America.

The man awkwardly tried to correct the "prophet" that Liberia wasn't too far from Ghana, Africa...but Guyana was quite far away.

The prophet then tried to gloss over it that...well, God still needed him in Guyana...and that God would make a way.


I have to admit it - I and the person next to me could not keep a straight fact. It was very amusing to think that "God" messed up his geography when speaking through this prophet. Not long after that the prophet announced how there were two people in the whole service who were not on board with what he was speaking...and that he didn't care if we dressed in suits and looked the part...etc. etc. Pretty sure he was talking about us. But you didn't need a "word from God" to notice we could barely hold back snickering at the whole geographic snafu.

What's your threshold of trust for self-proclaimed prophets? If they get one thing wrong, are they considered a false prophet forever thereafter?

KeptByTheWord
01-13-2014, 09:04 AM
Well, I just posted on the other thread about the gifts of the spirit. When anyone begins to operate supernaturally, it is very easy to get lifted up, and begin working through your flesh, in an eagerness to prove just how amazing of a prophet you are, working out your own destruction.

I think this, I think it is highly possible this "prophet" perhaps may have been given a gift by the Lord in some time past, and perhaps had been used supernaturally by God at one time, but there is little doubt in my mind from what you've said that this guy began to get lifted up, and thought anything that comes out of his mouth was tantamount to the word of God. God will not share His glory with another. The spirit of Jesus operating the gift departed, and the man's flesh began operating the gift, and was using it to his own destruction, i.e. prophesying something completely untrue.

I do believe God has a sense of humor.

bishoph
01-13-2014, 09:20 AM
Let me preface my thoughts on this by saying, I DO believe in the real ministry of the spirit and the operation of the gifts in the church....that said:

IMHO, much of the prophelying we see in Pentecost is the result of "hero" worship and pressure to perform.

Allow me for a moment.....a man/woman goes to preach in xyz church and while ministering in the anointing, he/she begins to operate in the gifts of the spirit. People are truly healed, others are legitimately prophesied to, etc. The pastor calls all of his friends and says "man, you have to have so & so to your church they operate in the gifts and they will really bless your church." This person goes to other churches and God uses them mightily and they build a "reputation" of being used in "the gifts." They start being lifted up and revered by those who have either seen first hand or have heard of their exploits.

Now at some point this person goes to a church and in the course of ministry they don't get a "word" they don't see a miracle....etc......but because the reason they were invited to this meeting was because everybody knows "they operate in the gifts" and if nothing happens......they may start losing meetings....they start giving words, and prophelying. But because of their reputation and our fascination and worship of "gifted" people keep following them.

If we could ever get to the place where if God doesn't say it....we don't say it, and if a miracle doesn't happen then God is still glorified and the people edified....we could have honesty in ministry. If we could get the people to quit following after signs.....and if we would educate the body that the gifts are for everyday operation in the life of the believer instead of just a handful of spiritual superstars, we would see a powerful release of the supernatural in our midst. Yes we need to TEACH on it and then release the people of God to operate. And then people would not have to follow after a "sign" because they would see signs and wonder all the time....not just when Bro/Sis so&so comes to town.

JMHO

KeptByTheWord
01-13-2014, 09:24 AM
Let me preface my thoughts on this by saying, I DO believe in the real ministry of the spirit and the operation of the gifts in the church....that said:

IMHO, much of the prophelying we see in Pentecost is the result of "hero" worship and pressure to perform.

Allow me for a moment.....a man/woman goes to preach in xyz church and while ministering in the anointing, he/she begins to operate in the gifts of the spirit. People are truly healed, others are legitimately prophesied to, etc. The pastor calls all of his friends and says "man, you have to have so & so to your church they operate in the gifts and they will really bless your church." This person goes to other churches and God uses them mightily and they build a "reputation" of being used in "the gifts." They start being lifted up and revered by those who have either seen first hand or have heard of their exploits.

Now at some point this person goes to a church and in the course of ministry they don't get a "word" they don't see a miracle....etc......but because the reason they were invited to this meeting was because everybody knows "they operate in the gifts" and if nothing happens......they may start losing meetings....they start giving words, and prophelying. But because of their reputation and our fascination and worship of "gifted" people keep following them.

If we could ever get to the place where if God doesn't say it....we don't say it, and if a miracle doesn't happen then God is still glorified and the people edified....we could have honesty in ministry. If we could get the people to quit following after signs.....and if we would educate the body that the gifts are for everyday operation in the life of the believer instead of just a handful of spiritual superstars, we would see a powerful release of the supernatural in our midst. Yes we need to TEACH on it and then release the people of God to operate. And then people would not have to follow after a "sign" because they would see signs and wonder all the time....not just when Bro/Sis so&so comes to town.

JMHO

:highfive I do believe much more teaching needs to be done in this area.

n david
01-13-2014, 09:24 AM
If they have a website promoting their gifts or testimonials...

If they have an official ministry name (ie NDavid's Prophetic Utterance Ministry)...

Probably not a real prophet.

Just sayin.

n david
01-13-2014, 09:25 AM
Let me preface my thoughts on this by saying, I DO believe in the real ministry of the spirit and the operation of the gifts in the church....that said:

IMHO, much of the prophelying we see in Pentecost is the result of "hero" worship and pressure to perform.

Allow me for a moment.....a man/woman goes to preach in xyz church and while ministering in the anointing, he/she begins to operate in the gifts of the spirit. People are truly healed, others are legitimately prophesied to, etc. The pastor calls all of his friends and says "man, you have to have so & so to your church they operate in the gifts and they will really bless your church." This person goes to other churches and God uses them mightily and they build a "reputation" of being used in "the gifts." They start being lifted up and revered by those who have either seen first hand or have heard of their exploits.

Now at some point this person goes to a church and in the course of ministry they don't get a "word" they don't see a miracle....etc......but because the reason they were invited to this meeting was because everybody knows "they operate in the gifts" and if nothing happens......they may start losing meetings....they start giving words, and prophelying. But because of their reputation and our fascination and worship of "gifted" people keep following them.

If we could ever get to the place where if God doesn't say it....we don't say it, and if a miracle doesn't happen then God is still glorified and the people edified....we could have honesty in ministry. If we could get the people to quit following after signs.....and if we would educate the body that the gifts are for everyday operation in the life of the believer instead of just a handful of spiritual superstars, we would see a powerful release of the supernatural in our midst. Yes we need to TEACH on it and then release the people of God to operate. And then people would not have to follow after a "sign" because they would see signs and wonder all the time....not just when Bro/Sis so&so comes to town.

JMHO
Great post! :thumbsup

Ferd
01-13-2014, 09:29 AM
knowing the difference between a profit and a prophet is pretty important.

Ferd
01-13-2014, 09:30 AM
knowing the difference between the voice of God and the result of too much bad pizza too late at night is pretty important.

profits, tend to eat lots of pizza late at night IMHO...

Pressing-On
01-13-2014, 09:36 AM
Let me preface my thoughts on this by saying, I DO believe in the real ministry of the spirit and the operation of the gifts in the church....that said:

IMHO, much of the prophelying we see in Pentecost is the result of "hero" worship and pressure to perform.

Allow me for a moment.....a man/woman goes to preach in xyz church and while ministering in the anointing, he/she begins to operate in the gifts of the spirit. People are truly healed, others are legitimately prophesied to, etc. The pastor calls all of his friends and says "man, you have to have so & so to your church they operate in the gifts and they will really bless your church." This person goes to other churches and God uses them mightily and they build a "reputation" of being used in "the gifts." They start being lifted up and revered by those who have either seen first hand or have heard of their exploits.

Now at some point this person goes to a church and in the course of ministry they don't get a "word" they don't see a miracle....etc......but because the reason they were invited to this meeting was because everybody knows "they operate in the gifts" and if nothing happens......they may start losing meetings....they start giving words, and prophelying. But because of their reputation and our fascination and worship of "gifted" people keep following them.

If we could ever get to the place where if God doesn't say it....we don't say it, and if a miracle doesn't happen then God is still glorified and the people edified....we could have honesty in ministry. If we could get the people to quit following after signs.....and if we would educate the body that the gifts are for everyday operation in the life of the believer instead of just a handful of spiritual superstars, we would see a powerful release of the supernatural in our midst. Yes we need to TEACH on it and then release the people of God to operate. And then people would not have to follow after a "sign" because they would see signs and wonder all the time....not just when Bro/Sis so&so comes to town.

JMHO

Thank you! :thumbsup

POTD!!!!!!!!

houston
01-13-2014, 10:16 AM
Thank you! :thumbsup POTD!!!!!!!!yes, amen

Abiding Now
01-13-2014, 11:29 AM
knowing the difference between a profit and a prophet is pretty important.

knowing the difference between the voice of God and the result of too much bad pizza too late at night is pretty important.

profits, tend to eat lots of pizza late at night IMHO...

Amen!

:thumbsup

Praxeas
01-13-2014, 12:20 PM
I'll admit it. I'm a cynic. Probably to unhealthy levels. I try daily to overcome this tendency and not allow it to hinder my faith. But especially when it comes to faith in PEOPLE...I have a hard time getting past my own mind, my history of men and women not being trustworthy, or being ignorant, etc.

Have you ever been in one of those services with a man who evangelizes as a "prophet"? And he goes about during the service saying things like any worldly "medium" might say.

Medium/Prophet: "Someone here...has children...in California? A name...that starts with a "D"..."
Woman in audience of 300 tentatively raises her hand.
Medium/Prophet: "God is going to restore your relationships."
Woman cries because she has children in California she gave up for adoption.

Now - I know this woman, and God DID reunite her and give her a relationship with all her children. But the whole "Is there...a woman...in here...who's name starts with "L"..." thing really, really sounds like any weird "medium" talk show you might see on TV.

There's a big name "prophet" in the UPC who we once saw...At one service, he called out a man who was visiting the US from Liberia. The prophet started talking about how he knew someone from Guyana...and started describing the country of Guyana...and how God was calling this man to go to Guyana...and how Guyana is near Liberia, correct?

Well, the problem is, Guyana is a country in South America.

The man awkwardly tried to correct the "prophet" that Liberia wasn't too far from Ghana, Africa...but Guyana was quite far away.

The prophet then tried to gloss over it that...well, God still needed him in Guyana...and that God would make a way.


I have to admit it - I and the person next to me could not keep a straight fact. It was very amusing to think that "God" messed up his geography when speaking through this prophet. Not long after that the prophet announced how there were two people in the whole service who were not on board with what he was speaking...and that he didn't care if we dressed in suits and looked the part...etc. etc. Pretty sure he was talking about us. But you didn't need a "word from God" to notice we could barely hold back snickering at the whole geographic snafu.

What's your threshold of trust for self-proclaimed prophets? If they get one thing wrong, are they considered a false prophet forever thereafter?
I just want to say first of all, I actually do share the skepticism of the whole "Prophet" deal.

It's not that I doubt the prophet. It's that I doubt these men ARE prophets. Further more, most people working the gifts I know don't build up a profitable ministry on it and do the one man circus act.

Having said that, in the story I can see God possibly speaking "Guyana" to the man and the man not knowing his geography began to blather on incoherently about it being located near Liberia.

Ferd
01-13-2014, 12:46 PM
You can be sure that my starting point with all these "prophets" is skeptisism. I have seen and heard too much... and ive lived enough life to know too much....

having said that, one of the Bustard brothers (I seriously dont remember which one) came thru out town back when I was 15 years old.

He started talking about someone who had suffered from a very specific type of headache and several people said it was them. He would look at them and just say "no it isnt you". He explained in greater detail and I knew he was talking about me.

when I was in the 6th grade I suffered a very serious concusion and the end result was occasional headache that was beyond my ablity to explain. like a bomb going off in my brain, unable to breath only lasting for 15 seconds. It didnt happen often but when it did, it was terrible.

He eplained in very clear detail. What it was, how it happened... everything. He didnt know me or any member of my family and I never told people about it. EVER.

he was getting irritated that no one would say it was them. and even said something like "we arent moving on until this is dealt with". So I stood up and at first he was skeptical and he asked me questions and I explained what happened etc.

He said "Its you. You wont have another one".
That was it. He didnt pray for me. didnt do any "thus sayth the Lord" just "you wont have another one"

I havent had another one. that was in the late 1980s

Praxeas
01-13-2014, 12:51 PM
Speaking of Bustard....Morton came through a nearby town and I went. I remember he "prepped" the audience before hand saying we were gonna have a little something to get the gifts working or something to that affect.

He walked around eyeballing everyone, then focused on this woman infront of me, saying "You have borderline anemia"...

I could have told her that by looking at her "pale" face and dark circles under her eyes.

I became more skeptical after that

Ferd
01-13-2014, 12:56 PM
Speaking of Bustard....Morton came through a nearby town and I went. I remember he "prepped" the audience before hand saying we were gonna have a little something to get the gifts working or something to that affect.

He walked around eyeballing everyone, then focused on this woman infront of me, saying "You have borderline anemia"...

I could have told her that by looking at her "pale" face and dark circles under her eyes.

I became more skeptical after that

ive heard more than one story like that too. I agree there is that kind of shinnagance going on. and that is part of my skeptisism. but the story I related about myself, there is no way anyone could have told him that or that he would know that.

and even if he did get told by someone there that day, its been more than 20 years and I have not had a single headache like that since. Not one. not even anything that comes close.

Abiding Now
01-13-2014, 02:30 PM
Years ago, the "profit" from Mississippi called a friend's wife out in a church service and told her that "her womb was tilted and that was why she was having so much trouble and pain". My friend said "I wish I could prove that, I would sue the doctor that did the complete hysterectomy on my wife". And that's WHY I'm skeptical. :foottap

votivesoul
01-14-2014, 12:27 AM
If I am understanding 1 John 4:1-3, we are commanded to put prophets to the test, to see whether or not they are of God.

I know John used the word "spirits" at the first, but the reason he gives for such a test is because many false prophets have gone out into the world, thus linking spirits with false prophets.

Additionally, Paul taught that two or three prophets of a church may speak, but then the others must judge (1 Corinthians 14:29).

Judge what if not the accuracy and reliability of the prophetic utterance?

In fact, the Discerning of Spirits is in part, to take note whether or not a person is prophesying out of their own heart (i.e. the words are from a human, and not the Holy, spirit).

Therefore, I see nothing wrong at all with, if not outright skepticism, at least a common sense based approached that doesn't swallow everything or even anything that a prophet throws out there.

Dordrecht
01-14-2014, 08:24 AM
Seems to me there are more false prophets these days than real ones.
Of course that's just my humble opinion.

I do know one thing: We were warned!

Ferd
01-14-2014, 08:28 AM
Seems to me there are more false prophets these days than real ones.
Of course that's just my humble opinion.

I do know one thing: We were warned!

Paul had the same issue. it aint new.

crakjak
01-14-2014, 08:38 AM
Years ago, the "profit" from Mississippi called a friend's wife out in a church service and told her that "her womb was tilted and that was why she was having so much trouble and pain". My friend said "I wish I could prove that, I would sue the doctor that did the complete hysterectomy on my wife". And that's WHY I'm skeptical. :foottap

Humans!! We are a nutty bunch!! ROTL!! We so want to be important!

Timmy
01-14-2014, 02:11 PM
So there are fakes, and there are true prophets, or at least there are people who, at least sometimes, operate in the gift of prophecy, if not hold the office of prophet.

Do I have it right? (So far? ;))

MawMaw
01-14-2014, 02:37 PM
Let me preface my thoughts on this by saying, I DO believe in the real ministry of the spirit and the operation of the gifts in the church....that said:

IMHO, much of the prophelying we see in Pentecost is the result of "hero" worship and pressure to perform.

Allow me for a moment.....a man/woman goes to preach in xyz church and while ministering in the anointing, he/she begins to operate in the gifts of the spirit. People are truly healed, others are legitimately prophesied to, etc. The pastor calls all of his friends and says "man, you have to have so & so to your church they operate in the gifts and they will really bless your church." This person goes to other churches and God uses them mightily and they build a "reputation" of being used in "the gifts." They start being lifted up and revered by those who have either seen first hand or have heard of their exploits.

Now at some point this person goes to a church and in the course of ministry they don't get a "word" they don't see a miracle....etc......but because the reason they were invited to this meeting was because everybody knows "they operate in the gifts" and if nothing happens......they may start losing meetings....they start giving words, and prophelying. But because of their reputation and our fascination and worship of "gifted" people keep following them.

If we could ever get to the place where if God doesn't say it....we don't say it, and if a miracle doesn't happen then God is still glorified and the people edified....we could have honesty in ministry. If we could get the people to quit following after signs.....and if we would educate the body that the gifts are for everyday operation in the life of the believer instead of just a handful of spiritual superstars, we would see a powerful release of the supernatural in our midst. Yes we need to TEACH on it and then release the people of God to operate. And then people would not have to follow after a "sign" because they would see signs and wonder all the time....not just when Bro/Sis so&so comes to town.

JMHO


Amen Bishop H!! :nod

Ferd
01-14-2014, 02:40 PM
So there are fakes, and there are true prophets, or at least there are people who, at least sometimes, operate in the gift of prophecy, if not hold the office of prophet.

Do I have it right? (So far? ;))

oh good grief Timmy. Paul said as much.

i think the starting point for you is, there is a God. no?

shazeep
01-14-2014, 02:51 PM
Paul said as much because there was a Canon open in his day, which is not true now. You guys might consider the definition of a 'prophet' here for a second--even our def, the human one, will do for this. For brevity's sake, i'll simplify: "Someone who prophesies." fair enough? Ok, now, in order for there to be a prophet, there must be a Canon to record the prophecy in. Any objections so far?

Timmy
01-14-2014, 04:32 PM
oh good grief Timmy. Paul said as much.

i think the starting point for you is, there is a God. no?

:lol

Timmy
01-14-2014, 04:38 PM
OK, so a question:

Suppose someone gives you a genuine message from God: is it a sin to disbelieve it? If it is an instruction or command for you to follow, is it a sin to disobey it?

Timmy
01-14-2014, 04:43 PM
(OK, it was two questions. ;))

Timmy
01-14-2014, 04:46 PM
This precedent, from 1 Kings 20, may help you answer my questions:

35 And a certain man of the sons of the prophets said unto his neighbour in the word of the Lord, Smite me, I pray thee. And the man refused to smite him.

36 Then said he unto him, Because thou hast not obeyed the voice of the Lord, behold, as soon as thou art departed from me, a lion shall slay thee. And as soon as he was departed from him, a lion found him, and slew him.

Jason B
01-14-2014, 07:51 PM
If they have a website promoting their gifts or testimonials...

If they have an official ministry name (ie NDavid's Prophetic Utterance Ministry)...

Probably not a real prophet.

Just sayin.

Amen. Say it again.

shazeep
01-15-2014, 08:21 AM
This precedent, from 1 Kings 20, may help you answer my questions:

35 And a certain man of the sons of the prophets said unto his neighbour in the word of the Lord, Smite me, I pray thee. And the man refused to smite him.

36 Then said he unto him, Because thou hast not obeyed the voice of the Lord, behold, as soon as thou art departed from me, a lion shall slay thee. And as soon as he was departed from him, a lion found him, and slew him.:lol good luck with that.

Timmy
01-15-2014, 11:22 AM
OK, so a question:

Suppose someone gives you a genuine message from God: is it a sin to disbelieve it? If it is an instruction or command for you to follow, is it a sin to disobey it?

:whistle

TGBTG
01-15-2014, 11:32 AM
OK, so a question:

Suppose someone gives you a genuine message from God: is it a sin to disbelieve it? If it is an instruction or command for you to follow, is it a sin to disobey it?

ok, i'll bite...yes and yes

Timmy
01-15-2014, 12:03 PM
ok, i'll bite...yes and yes

Thanks! Was that so hard, everyone else? :lol

OK, next question:

Can you always tell when someone gives a true message from God or a fake?

(Note that some fakes, I'm quite sure, are "innocent" fakes. By that I mean the message giver honestly felt that it was a genuine message from God for you, but was mistaken. And, of course, other fakes may be entirely made up and the deliverers of those messages knew it. Not sure that matters, though. The real thing is real, and fakes are fake.)

Real Realism
01-15-2014, 12:24 PM
I know a couple who were prophesied over to be married. Out of obedience, they started dating and were married about 8 months after the prophecy. Two years after they tied the knot, they're divorced.

TGBTG
01-15-2014, 12:30 PM
I know a couple who were prophesied over to be married. Out of obedience, they started dating and were married about 8 months after the prophecy. Two years after they tied the knot, they're divorced.

Technically speaking, the prophecy was that they would be married. The prophecy did not say they would not get divorced...thus it came to pass.:happydance

Real Realism
01-15-2014, 12:32 PM
Indeed.

I thought some folks were crazy at the time.

Still do.

Wonder what they truly think about the situation. One half of the couple is no longer "in church," while the other half is still.

Lots of regret and doubt, I'm sure.

Adam
01-15-2014, 12:35 PM
36 Then said he unto him, Because thou hast not obeyed the voice of the Lord, behold, as soon as thou art departed from me, a lion shall slay thee. And as soon as he was departed from him, a lion found him, and slew him.

Say it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wZdvyWxfZM

:heeheehee

Dordrecht
01-15-2014, 02:16 PM
Technically speaking, the prophecy was that they would be married. The prophecy did not say they would not get divorced...thus it came to pass.:happydance

Haha…lol

shazeep
01-16-2014, 08:12 AM
OK, so a question:

Suppose someone gives you a genuine message from God: is it a sin to disbelieve it? If it is an instruction or command for you to follow, is it a sin to disobey it?begins with the improper premise that someone else might give one a genuine message from God; an obvious--to me, anyway--fail, that leads to 'profits' telling people they should get married. Blasphemous yack. The torn veil should explain this; or there are plenty of other verses that do. If you believe that someone else can give you a message from God, then you better be telling your sins to a priest.
Paul said as much because there was a Canon open in his day, which is not true now. You guys might consider the definition of a 'prophet' here for a second--even our def, the human one, will do for this. For brevity's sake, i'll simplify: "Someone who prophesies." fair enough? Ok, now, in order for there to be a prophet, there must be a Canon to record the prophecy in. Any objections so far?:whistle

shazeep
01-16-2014, 08:17 AM
Years ago, the "profit" from Mississippi called a friend's wife out in a church service and told her that "her womb was tilted and that was why she was having so much trouble and pain". My friend said "I wish I could prove that, I would sue the doctor that did the complete hysterectomy on my wife". And that's WHY I'm skeptical. :foottapnot to defend the guy, but 'tilted womb' might be a great analog for 'hysterectomy?'

Abiding Now
01-16-2014, 08:24 AM
not to defend the guy, but 'tilted womb' might be a great analog for 'hysterectomy?'

Yeah right. Kinda hard for her womb to be "titled" when she no longer had a womb. The truth is by this time the sister wasn't having any "female problems".

shazeep
01-16-2014, 08:24 AM
So there are fakes, and there are true prophets, or at least there are people who, at least sometimes, operate in the gift of prophecy, if not hold the office of prophet.

Do I have it right? (So far? ;))No, as i hope has been demonstrated. Paul plainly wrote that prophecy and tongues would cease; to apparently much confusion as to the timing. It only remains for a student to determine when.

Abiding Now
01-16-2014, 08:27 AM
I know a couple who were prophesied over to be married. Out of obedience, they started dating and were married about 8 months after the prophecy. Two years after they tied the knot, they're divorced.

Some folks are just too dumb to survive. Me? I didn't need a profit to tell me to marry............I was in LOVE! :heeheehee

shazeep
01-16-2014, 08:27 AM
This precedent, from 1 Kings 20, may help you answer my questions:

35 And a certain man of the sons of the prophets said unto his neighbour in the word of the Lord, Smite me, I pray thee. And the man refused to smite him.

36 Then said he unto him, Because thou hast not obeyed the voice of the Lord, behold, as soon as thou art departed from me, a lion shall slay thee. And as soon as he was departed from him, a lion found him, and slew him.6He has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant,i not of the letter,j but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit produces life.

New Covenant Ministry

7Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory,k so that the Israelites were not able to look directly at Moses’ face because of the glory from his face — a fading glory — 8how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness overflows with even more glory. 10In fact, what had been glorious is not glorious now by comparison because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was fading awayl was glorious, what endures will be even more glorious.

Timmy
01-16-2014, 09:33 AM
Some folks are just too dumb to survive. Me? I didn't need a profit to tell me to marry............I was in LOVE! :heeheehee

Is it feasible that God may use a prophet to instruct someone to marry someone specifically?

shazeep
01-16-2014, 09:43 AM
Iow, nevermind the post that leads to truth...ok.

shazeep
01-16-2014, 09:47 AM
Yeah right. Kinda hard for her womb to be "titled" when she no longer had a womb. The truth is by this time the sister wasn't having any "female problems".Right--just undefined pain in the abdominal area. Ok.

Timmy
01-16-2014, 10:39 AM
Iow, nevermind the post that leads to truth...ok.

You mean the post just before mine? Not relevant. Not helpful. Unless it's your strange way of saying that the Holy Spirit no longer gives messages to be given to someone, giving specific commands for them to obey. It doesn't say that nor imply it, but what else can we expect?

And there is New Testament precedent for the Spirit interfering with human activities.

Sigh. Never mind. Back on ignore. For my mental health.

shazeep
01-16-2014, 01:42 PM
lol. that should be a sign in itself? :D

Abiding Now
01-16-2014, 04:44 PM
Is it feasible that God may use a prophet to instruct someone to marry someone specifically?

See post #34.

Timmy
01-16-2014, 07:06 PM
See post #34.

One example of a false message doesn't say anything about whether there are real messages. (If that's what you mean.) In fact, someone here on AFF has said that the existence of fakes proves that there is also the real thing! Yeah. Bogus, of course. But, just saying.

Timmy
01-16-2014, 07:07 PM
And by the way, the divorce doesn't prove that the command was wrong! Just saying.

shazeep
01-16-2014, 07:18 PM
:lol