Government Stimulus?

[jediwill83]

So apparently we are getting 1,000 for every adult? Thats cool. Momma needs her some more shoes and by shoes I mean toilet paper and by toilet paper I mean bullets and by bullets I mean raman. 😂


So any pastors of the tithe recieving variety planning a cruise with the unexpected influx or are we doing the Christian thing and applying that 100xchurch membership to meeting needs in this trying time?


Maybe create teams of shoppers/errand runners/scroungers to network folks with what they need especially the older folks and ill not needing to go outside and be exposed.


Just curious how yall are planning.


Love to get a brainstorming thread going.

[Esaias]

Source on that government cheese?

[Nicodemus1968]

So apparently we are getting 1,000 for every adult? Thats cool. Momma needs her some more shoes and by shoes I mean toilet paper and by toilet paper I mean bullets and by bullets I mean raman. 😂


So any pastors of the tithe recieving variety planning a cruise with the unexpected influx or are we doing the Christian thing and applying that 100xchurch membership to meeting needs in this trying time?


Maybe create teams of shoppers/errand runners/scroungers to network folks with what they need especially the older folks and ill not needing to go outside and be exposed.


Just curious how yall are planning.


Love to get a brainstorming thread going.

I mean if the government is trying to kill us, they can at least pay us. :heeheehee

[Scott Pitta]

I suggest tithing income from federal stimulus be put into a charity fund so the money is used to aid the poor.

If the church is poor, the pastor needs to be transparent about the monthly fiscal picture. It may be the church needs the stimulus to keep the lights on and payroll met.

[Nicodemus1968]

I suggest tithing income from federal stimulus be put into a charity fund so the money is used to aid the poor.

If the church is poor, the pastor needs to be transparent about the monthly fiscal picture. It may be the church needs the stimulus to keep the lights on and payroll met.

Church’s should not have money. The Pastor should be close to a poor beggar as he can. While the saints are increased with goods.

[n david]

I read that Treasury Secy Mnuchin and Trump are working on the details. Nothing official yet that I'm aware. First proposal was for those making less than $100K, I read it was lowered to those making less than $85K.

I'm more in favor of suspending payroll taxes and doing other things rather than just giving everyone $1,000.

[n david]

Good grief, let's not make yet another thread whining about tithing.

[Tithesmeister]

Church’s should not have money. The Pastor should be close to a poor beggar as he can. While the saints are increased with goods.

Silly me! I was thinking the pastors WERE saints.

Well I’m pretty sure SOME are. All the others teach tithing!

[Esaias]

Fox has Mnuchin saying Trump wants to mail checks to everybody in the next few weeks.

Still can't find anything official though.

[Esaias]

I read that Treasury Secy Mnuchin and Trump are working on the details. Nothing official yet that I'm aware. First proposal was for those making less than $100K, I read it was lowered to those making less than $85K.

I'm more in favor of suspending payroll taxes and doing other things rather than just giving everyone $1,000.

Why not? The money is created out of thin air anyway, they give billions if not trillions to companies and foreign nations, why not give money to Americans? Cutting someone a check is far less nanny-state socialistic paternalism than trying to manage everyone's finances by fiddling with payroll taxes and "other things"....

Of course payroll taxes ought to be eliminated anyway, scamdemic or no scamdemic.

[Nicodemus1968]

Good grief, let's not make yet another thread whining about tithing.

I know, I’m sorry I couldn’t resist. :heeheehee

[Nicodemus1968]

Why not? The money is created out of thin air anyway, they give billions if not trillions to companies and foreign nations, why not give money to Americans? Cutting someone a check is far less nanny-state socialistic paternalism than trying to manage everyone's finances by fiddling with payroll taxes and "other things"....

Of course payroll taxes ought to be eliminated anyway, scamdemic or no scamdemic.

Exactly! :thumbsup

[KeptByTheWord]

The details are still being worked out according to the press conference held this morning at the White House about how it will get to Americans "fast". Trump wants it to be done in about two weeks, but there has been no announcement yet as to what, how much, and how it will be done, as apparently they are still ironing out the details. Probably tomorrow they will be making the announcement, is what the press conference seemed to imply. I'm sure it will be breaking news, lol....

[returnman]

I just watched one UPC pastors youtube video on their extended plan to pipe the messages into homes and allowing up to 25 to congregate at the church. Was delivered with sincerity I will say. I know him personally. I didn't listen long enough to hear anything about or reminder of financial obligations being met during these times. I am sure it is on the minds of pastors across the nation. Hopefully some degree of preparation has been in place for tapping the reserves as we are all in the same situation especially if a layoff should occur.

Prayers to everyone. If you find yourself stressed financially don't be afraid to reach out to your family and friends.

[Nicodemus1968]

This is getting curiouser and curiouser.

[diakonos]

Yes, uncle Pennybags, not to be confused with Pennywise- the child eating clown, will throw Monopoly money at everyone so they will be distracted from what’s really going on.

[n david]

Yes, uncle Pennybags, not to be confused with Pennywise- the child eating clown, will throw Monopoly money at everyone so they will be distracted from what’s really going on.

What's really going on?

[consapente89]

What's really going on?

I don’t know, but I honestly do not want a stimulus check.

[Birddog]

Anybody see the clip about Tony Spell throwing down the gauntlet to the law?

Kudos to him...

Now he has to follow through and they must try to stop him.

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/louisiana-pastor-holds-services-despite-gatherings-ban/289-5fc04b24-3e2a-492d-bae3-5cc481842ba6

[Esaias]

"WAFB-TV reports that police told Spell after Tuesday night's service at the Life Tabernacle Church near Baton Rouge that the National Guard will break up any future church service that violates public health rules. "

...and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free...

Or something like that...

[n david]

Anybody see the clip about Tony Spell throwing down the gauntlet to the law?

Kudos to him...

Now he has to follow through and they must try to stop him.

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/louisiana-pastor-holds-services-despite-gatherings-ban/289-5fc04b24-3e2a-492d-bae3-5cc481842ba6

I disagree. If LA has a ban on gatherings over 50, they should follow it.

I'd like to see his reaction if one of the church members didn't respect his authority.

This isn't a ban on churches only. This applies to everything. For him to act as though it's some kind of persecution is ridiculous.

Spell needs to read his Bible and follow the law.

[diakonos]

What's really going on?

I haven’t got a clue :lol

[diakonos]

Spell needs to read his Bible and follow the law.

I don’t want you in my box car. You would narc me out for trying to escape- for disobeying the law.

[n david]

I don’t want you in my box car. You would narc me out for trying to escape- for disobeying the law.

https://media.giphy.com/media/CyXJZs07Kj96/giphy.gif

This isn't government persecution.

Stop it.

If the government was trying to stop churches and exercise of religion, I would have a different response. It's not.

[diakonos]

https://media.giphy.com/media/CyXJZs07Kj96/giphy.gif

This isn't government persecution.

Stop it.

If the government was trying to stop churches and exercise of religion, I would have a different response. It's not.

It’s a precursor for things to come. Just a little experiment to see how people respond.

[jediwill83]

"WAFB-TV reports that police told Spell after Tuesday night's service at the Life Tabernacle Church near Baton Rouge that the National Guard will break up any future church service that violates public health rules. "

...and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free...

Or something like that...


Yep...these "thin blue line" guys gonna learn...


Big wakeup call to some folks.

[n david]

Here's a better link with a lot more information...

https://www.wafb.com/2020/03/18/baton-rouge-area-pastor-defies-governor-welcomes-large-gathering-into-church-service/

[n david]

Before anyone flips out about persecution and the National Guard coming to break up services... read closely:

"""The Louisiana National Guard says it has not been tasked with breaking up large gatherings in the state, including at churches."""

"""Rev. Tony Spell, says police showed up at the church after the service telling him the National Guard would break up any future gatherings that exceed 50 people. Louisiana National Guard Colonel Ed Bush said Wednesday that is not accurate.

“The National Guard has not been tasked with enforcing any of the curfew, social distancing or meeting requirements as set by the governor,” Colonel Bush said. “Our focus right now is completely with helping state agencies with preparedness and medical readiness,” Bush added."""

[Birddog]

I disagree. If LA has a ban on gatherings over 50, they should follow it.

I'd like to see his reaction if one of the church members didn't respect his authority.

This isn't a ban on churches only. This applies to everything. For him to act as though it's some kind of persecution is ridiculous.

Spell needs to read his Bible and follow the law.

I disagree completely.

This thing is about religious freedoms, not about football games or other gatherings.

We have something called the bill of rights that specifically entitles us to freedom of religion.

Period!

If people want to get together, even if they are sick, and worship God... that is their right and obligation that they feel they have to God.

Not you or me or Trump can change that my friend. Maybe see about a man named Daniel who disobeyed the edict to not obey the king.

Not quite for sure what version of the Bible you might be reading but you might want to put that book back in yours.

There were 3 Hebrew Children thrown into the fire for the same reason. We have two witnesses in the same book... should we do less?

This coronavirus is a hoax. Sorry to tell you that, history is going to prove it out that that is the truth.

Bro Spell is doing the right thing in obeying what he feels the Lord told him to do. It would not surprise me if his church doesn't hit 2k this weekend with every other apostolic whose church was canceled showing up for service.

I would go there to help out if I was closer...

This is a win win situation for him, a pr nightmare for the state. They can't enforce this without looking bad.

Gonna be interesting to see how many more follow suit.

[Birddog]

Before anyone flips out about persecution and the National Guard coming to break up services... read closely:

"""The Louisiana National Guard says it has not been tasked with breaking up large gatherings in the state, including at churches."""

"""Rev. Tony Spell, says police showed up at the church after the service telling him the National Guard would break up any future gatherings that exceed 50 people. Louisiana National Guard Colonel Ed Bush said Wednesday that is not accurate.

“The National Guard has not been tasked with enforcing any of the curfew, social distancing or meeting requirements as set by the governor,” Colonel Bush said. “Our focus right now is completely with helping state agencies with preparedness and medical readiness,” Bush added."""

Cooler heads higher up then johnny law saw the futility here and put a stop to the rumors, but the fat is already frying in the fire.

Spell is gonna win in this one, even if he gets charged with something.

[votivesoul]

Cooler heads higher up then johnny law saw the futility here and put a stop to the rumors, but the fat is already frying in the fire.

Spell is gonna win in this one, even if he gets charged with something.

Is he the President and CEO of a Limited Liability Corporate 501c3 charitable organization?

[Birddog]

Is he the President and CEO of a Limited Liability Corporate 501c3 charitable organization?

I didn't say he wouldn't be charged or that he wouldn't even be penalized, but Spell is going to win.

They may even lose their llc or 501c3, but I believe that he is prepared to go all the way.

He may even face charges but they won't stick and in the end he will have stood for his convictions.

If he doesn't have a huge crowd show up this weekend then I will be surprised.

Now the N Guard has said that they won't do anything so it will be up to the local law...

Are they willing to push this or ....?

He has thrown down the gauntlet and who is going to blink.

[Birddog]

Alls Spell has to do is stand! He must be prepared to lose some things at first but this will pass and he will have stood for what he believed.

All the WPF ers who carry guns will show up to support, oh yeah!!!

They been waiting for sumpin like dis!!!

Gonna be like the Bundy standoff in Nevada if they aren't careful, all those rednecks down there feeling like they have to stand for that!!!

They faced down the federal government, not just some local law!

Gonna be interesting this weekend.

[n david]

This thing is about religious freedoms, not about football games or other gatherings.

We have something called the bill of rights that specifically entitles us to freedom of religion.

Period!
1. This isn't about religious freedoms and the reason is it IS about other gatherings, including football games and other activities.

2. The Bill of Rights isn't at issue here. The govt did NOT ban religion.

Just STOP it! You're as hysterical and ridiculous as the TP hoarders and libs screaming about Trump.

There is still yet freedom of religion. Take a deep breath and stop flipping out. The ban is on crowds over 50. You can still have church. You can stream it live on the internet or meet in groups of 50. So stop with this ridiculous claim that the Bill of Rights and 1A is under assault. What's under assault is common sense and comprehension of facts.

If people want to get together, even if they are sick, and worship God... that is their right and obligation that they feel they have to God.
They can still do that. Good grief.

Not you or me or Trump can change that my friend. Maybe see about a man named Daniel who disobeyed the edict to not obey the king.

Not quite for sure what version of the Bible you might be reading but you might want to put that book back in yours.

There were 3 Hebrew Children thrown into the fire for the same reason. We have two witnesses in the same book... should we do less?
Daniel and the 3 Hebrews are apples and oranges compared to this situation.
You need to read 1 Peter 2:13-15. Should we do less than what Peter told the early church to do?

This coronavirus is a hoax. Sorry to tell you that, history is going to prove it out that that is the truth.
That's your opinion, but it doesn't change the Bible or the temporary ordinance.

This is a win win situation for him, a pr nightmare for the state. They can't enforce this without looking bad.
They're not going to enforce it, at least not with the National Guard as Spell claimed.

[n david]

Alls Spell has to do is stand! He must be prepared to lose some things at first but this will pass and he will have stood for what he believed.

All the WPF ers who carry guns will show up to support, oh yeah!!!

They been waiting for sumpin like dis!!!

Gonna be like the Bundy standoff in Nevada if they aren't careful, all those rednecks down there feeling like they have to stand for that!!!

They faced down the federal government, not just some local law!

Gonna be interesting this weekend.

You're an idiot.

[Birddog]

Sorry for those who caved to the politicians but I definitely see that there will be a migration to the churches who will stand.

There will be churches who will regret canceling, they won't recover some ground lost. We saw what Katrina did down there, afterwards some just disappeared. Same here.

There are those down there who will see this as the end of the end of the end!!! They are locked and loaded, ready for the anti-Christ!!! They will see that Gov'ner down there as the AC!

Gonna be interesting.

[n david]

Spell is gonna win in this one, even if he gets charged with something.
Will be fun when one of the church members tells him to kick rocks and tells him he won't do what Spell tells him to do.

Don't expect church members to respect authority when the Pastor doesn't.

[n david]

They are locked and loaded, ready for the anti-Christ!!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/zY2xZG87v3xao/giphy.gif

[votivesoul]

I didn't say he wouldn't be charged or that he wouldn't even be penalized, but Spell is going to win.

They may even lose their llc or 501c3, but I believe that he is prepared to go all the way.

He may even face charges but they won't stick and in the end he will have stood for his convictions.

If he doesn't have a huge crowd show up this weekend then I will be surprised.

Now the N Guard has said that they won't do anything so it will be up to the local law...

Are they willing to push this or ....?

He has thrown down the gauntlet and who is going to blink.

Should he have one, if he loses his 501c3 the church will likely go under. Especially if the local IRS decides to make an example of him. They can hit him for back property, salary, and ministerial taxes from when the 501c3 was first given, plus new taxes on property, salaries, and etc. That could be in the high thousands at this point.

I am not saying he should or shouldn't do anything. But it's not an automatic win-win for him and the church.

[Birddog]

1. This isn't about religious freedoms and the reason is it IS about other gatherings, including football games and other activities.

2. The Bill of Rights isn't at issue here. The govt did NOT ban religion.

Just STOP it! You're as hysterical and ridiculous as the TP hoarders and libs screaming about Trump.

There is still yet freedom of religion. Take a deep breath and stop flipping out. The ban is on crowds over 50. You can still have church. You can stream it live on the internet or meet in groups of 50. So stop with this ridiculous claim that the Bill of Rights and 1A is under assault. What's under assault is common sense and comprehension of facts.


They can still do that. Good grief.


Daniel and the 3 Hebrews are apples and oranges compared to this situation.
You need to read 1 Peter 2:13-15. Should we do less than what Peter told the early church to do?


That's your opinion, but it doesn't change the Bible or the temporary ordinance.


They're not going to enforce it, at least not with the National Guard as Spell claimed.

I'm an idiot? We'll wait and see. Those rednecks down there are prepping, carrying guns to church, we'll see.

Now I haven't called you an idiot, although it would certainly fit, but you are definitely blind.

Did you even listen to the broadcast? Did you you hear the rhetoric?

Are you deaf as well as blind?

Talk to some of those backwoods people down there and see if I am missing it.

don't think so.

[Birddog]

You're an idiot.

Uh huh, and you are a ignorant and unlearned flea who doesn't have a clue of the environment....


But I digress.

[Birddog]

Will be fun when one of the church members tells him to kick rocks and tells him he won't do what Spell tells him to do.

Don't expect church members to respect authority when the Pastor doesn't.

Not gonna happen, they are with him on this, watch and see. Again, you must be ignorant.

[Birddog]

https://media.giphy.com/media/zY2xZG87v3xao/giphy.gif

You must live in a bubble don't you?

[Birddog]

Should he have one, if he loses his 501c3 the church will likely go under. Especially if the local IRS decides to make an example of him. They can hit him for back property, salary, and ministerial taxes from when the 501c3 was first given, plus new taxes on property, salaries, and etc. That could be in the high thousands at this point.

I am not saying he should or shouldn't do anything. But it's not an automatic win-win for him and the church.

Really? This is going to turn into a local problem where the city is going to back down. Spell wins.

The national Guard says they aren't going to get involved so it's going to remain local.

Spell wins and he will have more people out of this at the end of the day.

This is not going to go the llc or 501c3, this is going to remain local.

He runs how many buses? He is in the Bible belt!! Nope, don't see this hurting him at all.

Now all the others who closed churches? They are going to get questioned as to why they closed when this one stayed open.

They are going to appear weak. Spell wins.

[Birddog]

It just dawned on me sir, you are one of those preachers who shut down their church and now are feeling the heat because you caved!!

I got it now!!!

Forgive me for being slow!!!

Don't be amazed when the saints there don't come back. You deserved it.

[Birddog]

Sorry folks, gotta go!!!!

Got church tonight, plan on running the aisle and hearing the Word!!!

I'd live stream but we don't do that....

Plan on praying folks through to the Holy Ghost!!!

[diakonos]

Sorry folks, gotta go!!!!

Got church tonight, plan on running the aisle and hearing the Word!!!

I'd live stream but we don't do that....

Plan on praying folks through to the Holy Ghost!!!

Amen! :happydance

[votivesoul]

Really? This is going to turn into a local problem where the city is going to back down. Spell wins.

The national Guard says they aren't going to get involved so it's going to remain local.

Spell wins and he will have more people out of this at the end of the day.

This is not going to go the llc or 501c3, this is going to remain local.

He runs how many buses? He is in the Bible belt!! Nope, don't see this hurting him at all.

Now all the others who closed churches? They are going to get questioned as to why they closed when this one stayed open.

They are going to appear weak. Spell wins.

That's not what the Guard rep said. He said we have not been tasked. Meaning, no official word has yet been given. You have to understand the legalese these folks use to mask intent. But for everyone's sake, I hope the church "wins", as you say. But it's by no means clear as of yet that that will be the case.

[Tithesmeister]

I’m just going to comment. Things are getting pretty heated on here, so I’m not responding directly to anyone. I’m just giving my opinion.

There are many opinions, but this is a legal matter at the end of the day. The church is not under authority of the state. This fact is part of the bill of rights. However, their is such a thing as abdicating those rights. If I understand correctly, (and I have studied it somewhat) if the church is a 501c3 it has abdicated its rights as a religious organization, and submitted themselves to the authority of the state of Louisiana as an incorporated person in that state.

So if Brother Spell’s Church is a 501c3, it changes everything, legally. If they are NOT a 501c3, it is a pretty much open and shut case, from a legal perspective. The state of Louisiana, or the USA government have no authority over the ability of the church to assemble and worship.

Meanwhile, whether they are, or are not, a 501c3, you have the reality that someone, theoretically the state of Louisiana, or the federal government, has to bring charges,against someone, theoretically Brother Spell, for breaking a law. It seems very weak to me. I believe charges would have to be brought against every individual person who was in the building. Because adults have the authority to make their own decisions, according to the law, and the Bible. So I don’t see any chance of the state making charges stick against Brother Spell for something that I did or didn’t do. So, if I’m right, everyone who arrived at the service that numbered over fifty, would have to be charged individually for breaking the law. So, it’s going to be complicated. And it’ll never go anywhere , in my opinion.

Politically it would be suicide for a politician in Louisiana to take a stand against the church.

I’m not saying Brother Spell is right, I’m not saying he’s wrong, I’m just saying that legally, he’s on pretty solid footing. In my opinion.

[Tithesmeister]

This politician and I mostly agree. This is from the article referenced earlier, but I don’t think anyone posted this.

U.S. Congressman Clay Higgins, a Republican from Louisiana, sent a letter to the governor last week saying he believes the limit on the size of church gatherings is unconstitutional.
“I agree that all our constituents and religious leaders should follow the recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC),” Higgins wrote. “However, the decision to gather should be the choice of the individual or institution and not a mandate by any government entity. The state has no authority to enforce this proclamation nor any ban on worship.”

In reference to the statement in bold, I believe it is the decision of the individual, and NOT necessarily the institution. Then you would be holding an institution accountable for the actions of individuals. And that seems unlikely to me, from a legal standpoint.

[votivesoul]

Brothers, the times are already tense enough for most, there is no need to ratchet up the stress with name-calling. Please refrain.

[Birddog]

This politician and I mostly agree. This is from the article referenced earlier, but I don’t think anyone posted this.

U.S. Congressman Clay Higgins, a Republican from Louisiana, sent a letter to the governor last week saying he believes the limit on the size of church gatherings is unconstitutional.
“I agree that all our constituents and religious leaders should follow the recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC),” Higgins wrote. “However, the decision to gather should be the choice of the individual or institution and not a mandate by any government entity. The state has no authority to enforce this proclamation nor any ban on worship.”

In reference to the statement in bold, I believe it is the decision of the individual, and NOT necessarily the institution. Then you would be holding an institution accountable for the actions of individuals. And that seems unlikely to me, from a legal standpoint.

Thank you for that.:thumbsup

[Birddog]

Brothers, the times are already tense enough for most, there is no need to ratchet up the stress with name-calling. Please refrain.

Sorry my friend.... I apologize for that.

My dogness came out with the fleas....

Hate fleas.....

They itch when they are biting near the tail.

[coksiw]

I think they should focus all that funding on helping those that lose their job. I still have mine, I refuse to keep that money for myself. I rather they don’t send me the check.

[Pressing-On]

I think they should focus all that funding on helping those that lose their job. I still have mine, I refuse to keep that money for myself. I rather they don’t send me the check.

I think they should send it to unemployment and after filing, dole out a percentage that is in proportion to your income.

[Esaias]

We've added the church in Baton Rouge to our prayer list of churches we specifically pray for. God bless the saints in Baton Rouge who have kept their wits about them.

NDavid, your responses on this thread are uncalled for. Quite honestly you sound like those guys in China who say Christianity isn't outlawed or oppressed cause muh Three Self Patriotic Church umbrella organisation. You could still go to church in the Soviet Union as long as everything was done in obedience to the givernment.

Spell is right, martial law is not constitutional and cannot override the first Article of the Bill of Rights which prohibits government interference with the RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE. But more importantly, NO government has the authority to contradict the Word of Almighty God. We must obey God rather than men. If someone doesn't want to go to church because they've bought into this preplanned prescripted scamdemic that's their business. But no secular authority can "ban" God's people from assemblying together. Such a ban is no more authoritative than your neighbor "banning" a church gathering.

501(c)3 non profit religious corporations are another story, however.

[Tithesmeister]

We've added the church in Baton Rouge to our prayer list of churches we specifically pray for. God bless the saints in Baton Rouge who have kept their wits about them.

NDavid, your responses on this thread are uncalled for. Quite honestly you sound like those guys in China who say Christianity isn't outlawed or oppressed cause muh Three Self Patriotic Church umbrella organisation. You could still go to church in the Soviet Union as long as everything was done in obedience to the givernment.

Spell is right, martial law is not constitutional and cannot override the first Article of the Bill of Rights which prohibits government interference with the RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE. But more importantly, NO government has the authority to contradict the Word of Almighty God. We must obey God rather than men. If someone doesn't want to go to church because they've bought into this preplanned prescripted scamdemic that's their business. But no secular authority can "ban" God's people from assemblying together. Such a ban is no more authoritative than your neighbor "banning" a church gathering.

501(c)3 non profit religious corporations are another story, however.

Right on brother!

[consapente89]

Sorry folks, gotta go!!!!

Got church tonight, plan on running the aisle and hearing the Word!!!

I'd live stream but we don't do that....

Plan on praying folks through to the Holy Ghost!!!

:highfive

[n david]

NDavid, your responses on this thread are uncalled for. Quite honestly you sound like those guys in China who say Christianity isn't outlawed or oppressed cause muh Three Self Patriotic Church umbrella organisation. You could still go to church in the Soviet Union as long as everything was done in obedience to the givernment.
Hi Pot, meet Kettle. Do you seriously believe this is anything like what Christians are dealing with in China or in the past USSR??? Good grief.

And I note you're good with the locked and loaded, church is ready to shoot some people stupid talk, but when I point out facts and the truth which don't align with the conspiracies you like, you say I'm out of line.

Yeah, let's lock and load over lies, but I'm the one out of line.

Spell is right, martial law is not constitutional and cannot override the first Article of the Bill of Rights which prohibits government interference with the RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE.
Who has declared Martial Law? NO ONE HAS DECLARED MARTIAL LAW!!! Good grief, did MSNBC or CNN hack into AFF to post a bunch of fake news?

But more importantly, NO government has the authority to contradict the Word of Almighty God. We must obey God rather than men. If someone doesn't want to go to church because they've bought into this preplanned prescripted scamdemic that's their business. But no secular authority can "ban" God's people from assemblying together. Such a ban is no more authoritative than your neighbor "banning" a church gathering.
Good thing they haven't banned churches from assembling. Sad that temporarily all 1,000+ can't squeeze into a sanctuary together, I know it's a numbers game for some preachers. There's saints in other places who would LOVE to freely meet with 49 other saints to worship.

Let's just ignore 1 Peter 2.

If man says you can't worship any God or meet together with others, then obviously we obey God. That's not what's happening here.

Good luck with the locking and loading, Dog. :dogpat

[Birddog]

We've added the church in Baton Rouge to our prayer list of churches we specifically pray for. God bless the saints in Baton Rouge who have kept their wits about them.

NDavid, your responses on this thread are uncalled for. Quite honestly you sound like those guys in China who say Christianity isn't outlawed or oppressed cause muh Three Self Patriotic Church umbrella organisation. You could still go to church in the Soviet Union as long as everything was done in obedience to the givernment.

Spell is right, martial law is not constitutional and cannot override the first Article of the Bill of Rights which prohibits government interference with the RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE. But more importantly, NO government has the authority to contradict the Word of Almighty God. We must obey God rather than men. If someone doesn't want to go to church because they've bought into this preplanned prescripted scamdemic that's their business. But no secular authority can "ban" God's people from assemblying together. Such a ban is no more authoritative than your neighbor "banning" a church gathering.

501(c)3 non profit religious corporations are another story, however.

:thumbsup

[Birddog]

Had great church last night.... God is good!

[n david]

Had great church last night.... God is good!
How many filled with the HG and baptized last night? How many healed?

[Birddog]

How many filled with the HG and baptized last night? How many healed?

Are you serious or joking?

[n david]

Are you serious or joking?
I'm serious.

[diakonos]

Are you serious or joking?

How many devils cast out?

[Birddog]

I'm serious.

Zero baptized, had great altar service, got one serious repenter who is getting close to the new birth...

[Nicodemus1968]

Times like these bring out the Pharisees...

[diakonos]

Times like these bring out the Pharisees...

It's times like these you learn to live again
It's times like these you give and give again
It's times like these you learn to love again
It's times like these time and time again

[Esaias]

Hi Pot, meet Kettle. Do you seriously believe this is anything like what Christians are dealing with in China or in the past USSR??? Good grief.

Not only have I studied history but I have known and broken bread with men and women who LIVED THROUGH BOLSHEVIK TYRANNY ON A DAILY BASIS. When THEY tell me "This is how sovietization works" I listen to them. My dad fought communists in southeast Asia and was tasked with working with defectors. I grew up learning "better dead than red" before I knew what the commutative property of addition was. My dad also moved in internationally connected militant leftist circles, in spite of his hatred of communism. I knew who Sacco and Vanzetti were before I ever hit high school. So good grief is right. How about you run along and let the adults talk a bit, okay kiddo?

And I note you're good with the locked and loaded, church is ready to shoot some people stupid talk, but when I point out facts and the truth which don't align with the conspiracies you like, you say I'm out of line.

Wrong yet again as usual. Your comments were out of line: "You're an idiot." Etc. That was uncalled for.

Yeah, let's lock and load over lies, but I'm the one out of line.

Did I say lock and load? No I did not. Did Birddog? Nope. He commented that quite a few folks in Loozeyanna won't cotton to being told they can't go to church by some slick politician. And that quite a few of them would quite possibly be willing to go to war for their rights. You know, like back in 1776? You know, "America!" THOSE kind of folks. You however seem to be more at home with the Tories. Just sayin'...


Who has declared Martial Law? NO ONE HAS DECLARED MARTIAL LAW!!! Good grief, did MSNBC or CNN hack into AFF to post a bunch of fake news?

My you seem exceptionally ignorant today. Who said martial law was declared? Hey, did you know that we've been under a state of emergency continuously without interruption since AT LEAST 1933? I could probably trace it back to 1865 if you want to get technical. And that's just for south of the Mason-Dixon line. Try 1861 for north of that line. Oh, you're out west? In a former federal Territory? That's all you've had from the get go. You think martial law means tanks in the streets? Silly you. All they need is an invisible virus in the streets and apparently they can get whatever they want.


Good thing they haven't banned churches from assembling. Sad that temporarily all 1,000+ can't squeeze into a sanctuary together, I know it's a numbers game for some preachers. There's saints in other places who would LOVE to freely meet with 49 other saints to worship.

If a church has 200 people, can they assemble together? Have they banned ANY PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY? You think the Bill of Rights magically disappears into a fog of administrative regulations when the number of people reaches 50? Why not 10? Why not 2? Is there a law that specifies this mystical boundary of free assembly? Oh, wait, it's duh gubbanuh's personal opinion? And the opinions of people who think their white coats somehow make them arbiters of our rights?

Let's just ignore 1 Peter 2.

The man who wrote that was legally prohibited from preaching publicly (holding meetings) on government property but refused to obey and said "We must obey God rather than men." Are you one of those Clergy Response Team ministers?

If man says you can't worship any God or meet together with others, then obviously we obey God. That's not what's happening here.

What's happening here is a strong delusion is blinding you to a son of perdition sitting in the temple of God as if he was God and as if he was above all that is called God. God said His people assemble together for worship, teaching, and praying for one another. The antichrist propaganda outlets say "A preacher who claims his church cures AIDS and coronavirus refuses to follow common sense church control " AND YOU SIDE WITH THEM AGAINST BRETHREN IN CHRIST.

Chew on THAT, "dawg".

Good luck with the locking and loading, Dog. :dogpat

Good grief. You do you, bruh.

[consapente89]

Times like these bring out the Pharisees...

?

[Birddog]

Lots of the WPF guys in the west are still having services, not sure about Cali.

Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, independents in those states as well.

The UPCI? Most have shut their doors and went with what Bernard said.

Time is going to judge this out...

[n david]

Lots of the WPF guys in the west are still having services, not sure about Cali.

Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, independents in those states as well.

The UPCI? Most have shut their doors and went with what Bernard said.

Time is going to judge this out...
Even the mighty WWPF is caving to the diabolical government plan to institute martial law and ban churches.

Lord, help us.

I was thinking about switching allegiance from UPCI to WWPF, but it appears even the WWPF is caving and compromising.

Just a few I found online:

https://gbfpc.org/
Pastor Bradford CAVED! 15 days, no regularly scheduled services. Doors open for families to pray.

http://www.wopburlington.org/
SAY IT AIN'T SO, Kenny Godair! Tell me you haven't CAVED!! Only services via livestream and they even cancelled the Ladies Conference.

https://www.inlandlighthouse.com/covid/
Joel Booker is looking their way. He's not his daddy. This is sad.

http://therockchurch.org/
Miles/Wilson Caved...

https://cornerstonespokane.com/
Rick Mayo ... Caved. Just livestream for the next two weeks.

Don't they know that if they CAVE, they LOSE?!? All these churches are going to LOSE.

Let's recap:

""It is pretty sad when a COGIC pastor has more faith than the oneness churches …""

""It amazes me how all these preachers, claiming that nothing is going to come between them and God, have already succumbed to the pressure to quit having church!!!""

""I am amazed at the lack of faith!""

""What gets me Bro is that many of these profess that they believe we are living in the end of the end of the end. These are some of the same men that adamantly professed their undying devotion, like Peter did, Lord, we will die for you. Yet we see them rolling over and canceling church congregating for a facebook livestream. So much for the boasts that they would never shut the doors of their churches without a fight...""

""This is not going to end well for them.""

[n david]

Not only have I studied history but I have known and broken bread with men and women who LIVED THROUGH BOLSHEVIK TYRANNY ON A DAILY BASIS. When THEY tell me "This is how sovietization works" I listen to them. My dad fought communists in southeast Asia and was tasked with working with defectors. I grew up learning "better dead than red" before I knew what the commutative property of addition was. My dad also moved in internationally connected militant leftist circles, in spite of his hatred of communism. I knew who Sacco and Vanzetti were before I ever hit high school. So good grief is right. How about you run along and let the adults talk a bit, okay kiddo?
Do you want a medal or something?

Wrong yet again as usual. Your comments were out of line: "You're an idiot." Etc. That was uncalled for.
This is referring to Pastors:
Gutless cowards!!!

Totally fine, I'm sure.
Uh huh, and you are a ignorant and unlearned flea who doesn't have a clue of the environment....

Still okay, right?
Sorry my friend.... I apologize for that. My dogness came out with the fleas.... Hate fleas..... They itch when they are biting near the tail.

I'll wait for you to condemn the "gutless cowards" and "flea" posts. HA! There's a better chance of Pelosi endorsing Trump than you doing that.



Did I say lock and load? No I did not. Did Birddog? Nope.
WRONG.
There are those down there who will see this as the end of the end of the end!!! They are locked and loaded, ready for the anti-Christ!!! They will see that Gov'ner down there as the AC!

Maybe you need better reading glasses, boomer.


My you seem exceptionally ignorant today.
Now, now, Esaias. That's uncalled for and out of line! Seriously, you have absolutely no credibility with me. You get a wedgie over my using the word, "idiot" but you constantly call me and others who disagree with you the same thing, except you try to candy coat it by saying things like "exceptionally ignorant." It's semantics. You're saying the same thing as I did. So don't lecture me about posts being out of line or uncalled for.


Who said martial law was declared?
Spell is right, martial law is not constitutional and cannot override the first Article of the Bill of Rights which prohibits government interference with the RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE. But more importantly, NO government has the authority to contradict the Word of Almighty God. We must obey God rather than men. If someone doesn't want to go to church because they've bought into this preplanned prescripted scamdemic that's their business. But no secular authority can "ban" God's people from assemblying together. Such a ban is no more authoritative than your neighbor "banning" a church gathering.
Spell spoke out against the "dictator ban." You agreed and called it martial law.

Hey, did you know that we've been under a state of emergency continuously without interruption since AT LEAST 1933?
Amazing! And we're still alive and free.


What's happening here is a strong delusion is blinding you to a son of perdition sitting in the temple of God as if he was God and as if he was above all that is called God. God said His people assemble together for worship, teaching, and praying for one another. The antichrist propaganda outlets say "A preacher who claims his church cures AIDS and coronavirus refuses to follow common sense church control " AND YOU SIDE WITH THEM AGAINST BRETHREN IN CHRIST.
There you go again. When someone disagrees with you, you smear them and compare or connect them to all kinds of evil people, regimes and now the son of perdition.

You're an exceptionally ignorant person. :dogpat

[Birddog]

Do you want a medal or something?


This is referring to Pastors:


Totally fine, I'm sure.


Still okay, right?



WRONG.


Maybe you need better reading glasses, boomer.



Now, now, Esaias. That's uncalled for and out of line! Seriously, you have absolutely no credibility with me. You get a wedgie over my using the word, "idiot" but you constantly call me and others who disagree with you the same thing, except you try to candy coat it by saying things like "exceptionally ignorant." It's semantics. You're saying the same thing as I did. So don't lecture me about posts being out of line or uncalled for.




Spell spoke out against the "dictator ban." You agreed and called it martial law.


Amazing! And we're still alive and free.



There you go again. When someone disagrees with you, you smear them and compare or connect them to all kinds of evil people, regimes and now the son of perdition.

You're an exceptionally ignorant person. :dogpat

Ummmmmmmmm

Uh huh!

Remember david, you can't insult us anymore. We will complain to Admin.

:throwrock

Or sumpin...

[Birddog]

Even the mighty WWPF is caving to the diabolical government plan to institute martial law and ban churches.

Lord, help us.

I was thinking about switching allegiance from UPCI to WWPF, but it appears even the WWPF is caving and compromising.

Just a few I found online:

https://gbfpc.org/
Pastor Bradford CAVED! 15 days, no regularly scheduled services. Doors open for families to pray.

http://www.wopburlington.org/
SAY IT AIN'T SO, Kenny Godair! Tell me you haven't CAVED!! Only services via livestream and they even cancelled the Ladies Conference.

https://www.inlandlighthouse.com/covid/
Joel Booker is looking their way. He's not his daddy. This is sad.

http://therockchurch.org/
Miles/Wilson Caved...

https://cornerstonespokane.com/
Rick Mayo ... Caved. Just livestream for the next two weeks.

Don't they know that if they CAVE, they LOSE?!? All these churches are going to LOSE.

Let's recap:

""It is pretty sad when a COGIC pastor has more faith than the oneness churches …""

""It amazes me how all these preachers, claiming that nothing is going to come between them and God, have already succumbed to the pressure to quit having church!!!""

""I am amazed at the lack of faith!""

""What gets me Bro is that many of these profess that they believe we are living in the end of the end of the end. These are some of the same men that adamantly professed their undying devotion, like Peter did, Lord, we will die for you. Yet we see them rolling over and canceling church congregating for a facebook livestream. So much for the boasts that they would never shut the doors of their churches without a fight...""

""This is not going to end well for them.""

I did say that I did not know about the cali churches of the wpf, apparently they have went the way of their upci sister.

As far as the other? To bad they caved.

The other comments? Look right to me.

Carry on david.

[n david]

I did say that I did not know about the cali churches of the wpf, apparently they have went the way of their upci sister.

As far as the other? To bad they caved.

The other comments? Look right to me.

Carry on david.

Godair and Mayo aren't in Cali. Godair isn't even on the Left Coast!

[Esaias]

Do you want a medal or something?


This is referring to Pastors:


Totally fine, I'm sure.


Still okay, right?



WRONG.


Maybe you need better reading glasses, boomer.



Now, now, Esaias. That's uncalled for and out of line! Seriously, you have absolutely no credibility with me. You get a wedgie over my using the word, "idiot" but you constantly call me and others who disagree with you the same thing, except you try to candy coat it by saying things like "exceptionally ignorant." It's semantics. You're saying the same thing as I did. So don't lecture me about posts being out of line or uncalled for.




Spell spoke out against the "dictator ban." You agreed and called it martial law.


Amazing! And we're still alive and free.



There you go again. When someone disagrees with you, you smear them and compare or connect them to all kinds of evil people, regimes and now the son of perdition.

You're an exceptionally ignorant person. :dogpat

Okie dokie, don't worry, bro. No more interaction with you is wareanted, desired, or possible.

I pray you have a blessed weekend.

[Nicodemus1968]

With everything that is said, I wonder if it gets worse were you and myself will be?

I heard of a tongues and interpretation in a church that stated, there is coming a time when the only way you’ll survive is through faith.

The USA church’s dont live on the faith as we need to, we have
Credit cards
Money in the bank
Great jobs
Health Insurance
401k
Employment benefits
Life insurance

What’s happens if all those things are stripped from you, is it the end of the world? No, they lived through it during the Great Depression, WWI, WWII so on and so forth. I’m assuming many of us have not lived through those times, but it looks like were going to get our chance. And when it happens, the only question is gong to be “where are you going to be in God?” What if you have no money for food, and your kids are starving? Do you have enough faith to pray the food into existence? You say “that doesn’t happen anymore”, friend I know I have and I know others have been praying for God to bring us back in that spirit to work his miracles, to walk in the prophetic, to see what the natural eye cannot see, to hear what the natural ear cannot hear. You want God to move, you want the miracles like they had in the time of the Apostles, well you may get your chance.

I can careless with all your conspiracy theories, or who you think the enemy is. We’ve heard until we’re blue in the face, the enemy is;
Trump
Liberals
Obama
Clinton
Bush
Kim Jong Un
Putin
CIA
FBI
CDC
EPA
Hitler
Stalin

Name some more? If there your enemy the Bible says to

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Yet, there is an enemy that you cannot love, there is an enemy that you cannot change! When we ask God to give eyes to see in the spirit, and we see church’s closing their doors, some without a fight, that makes you wonder. Shame on the church’s for using liveshame, Facecrook, and pride tube, thats hogwash! Go house to house and break bread, go worship inside of a home, forget the technology. Let’s think about whats really happening...

[Esaias]

What if you have no money for food, and your kids are starving? Do you have enough faith to pray the food into existence?

We have been there done that more than once. Literally had a total stranger show up at our house one day with a trunk full of groceries. They said God told them to go shopping, they did, then told them to go to X neighborhood and then stop at X house and give that family the groceries. Happened right after we had been praying for God to make a way to feed our kids today.

Having said that, if it's at all possible, every family needs to have a victory garden or something. That's entirely Biblical.

Go house to house and break bread, go worship inside of a home, forget the technology. Let’s think about whats really happening...

:thumbsup

What's really happening is part of the winnowing John said Jesus would do. And yes, He's been doing that from day 1 and continues to do it today.

[KeptByTheWord]

We have been there done that more than once. Literally had a total stranger show up at our house one day with a trunk full of groceries. They said God told them to go shopping, they did, then told them to go to X neighborhood and then stop at X house and give that family the groceries. Happened right after we had been praying for God to make a way to feed our kids today.

Having said that, if it's at all possible, every family needs to have a victory garden or something. That's entirely Biblical.



:thumbsup

What's really happening is part of the winnowing John said Jesus would do. And yes, He's been doing that from day 1 and continues to do it today.

Agree with you on this post Bro. E. :highfive

Let's focus on what we can do... as well as share information we have learned so we can all be aware, but let's not forget that our home is not in this world anyway. :thumbsup