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Sure! :D
But no, I would not give him one night. But I would do it in such a fashion as to be compassionate. Not TURN YOURSELF IN OR I WILL!!! But "You have admitted your error and that is great. Now, to truly make it right you need to do the rest of it and make a phone call." And then if he doesn't I would.
In one case I sat down across the table from an individual in his kitchen, pointed to the phone, and said, "You call the sherrif or I will."
He made the call.
HADDOCK
08-27-2007, 01:08 PM
In one case I sat down across the table from an individual in his kitchen, pointed to the phone, and said, "You call the sherrif or I will."
He made the call.
Well, I would certainly have much more respect and confidence for you in doing that than I do for the pastor that handled this situation.
Well, I would certainly have much more respect and confidence for you in doing that than I do for the pastor that handled this situation.
There was no choice. It came down to right or wrong.
Principle always has to take precedence over personal feelings.
myhaloisintheshop
08-27-2007, 01:11 PM
Well, I would certainly have much more respect and confidence for you in doing that than I do for the pastor that handled this situation.
this situation? The Missouri situation?
HADDOCK
08-27-2007, 01:12 PM
this situation? The Missouri situation?
Not the Missouri case, the case I referred to where a pastor did not report
BrotherEastman
08-27-2007, 01:16 PM
Unfortunately I have had to deal with this issue twice during my pastoral career. I can tell you from my experience, that one should never try to hide this kind of sin. The perpetrator must be reported. The pastor in most states can be subpoenaed, however, he/she is exempt (in most states) from disclosing any information given to him/her under privileged information protection. The law is for the lawless and when a person commits this type of offense they have removed themselves from under the rule of grace. (This does not mean they cannot be restored, but they must face the penalty of their actions.)
I have no problem with him being restored as a saint, but as a minister I do.
In one case I sat down across the table from an individual in his kitchen, pointed to the phone, and said, "You call the sherrif or I will."
He made the call.
In this case, there had been a supposed admission which is why I was a little softer. If there had no admission, I would probably just make the call and forget the offer.
HADDOCK
08-27-2007, 01:25 PM
In this case, there had been a supposed admission which is why I was a little softer. If there had no admission, I would probably just make the call and forget the offer.
In the case I referred the step-daughter related the incident and the man related it exactly the same to the pastor.
HangingOut
08-27-2007, 01:42 PM
This is very upsetting. We had close ties with his wife just before he started that church. She was such a Godly woman and am assuming she still is.
I have zero tolerance for sicko's that prey on children. He should go to the pen, no detour. He confessed because he was toast and knew it.
HangingOut
08-27-2007, 01:47 PM
To add.....this talk about restoration as a saint. That is tough. We are talking about a guy who did this over and over during a period of years. He can be restored in the MO state prison, not some local church. And this "he admitted stuff". He was caught period.
StillStanding
08-27-2007, 01:51 PM
To add.....this talk about restoration as a saint. That is tough. We are talking about a guy who did this over and over during a period of years. He can be restored in the MO state prison, not some local church. And this "he admitted stuff". He was caught period.
Remember that God knew his heart all along! We can be fooled by appearance, etc., but God can't!
Hoovie
08-27-2007, 01:54 PM
Hang - I don't think he was caught. He was accused - yes but it could have been very difficult to prove had he not confessed. It is often a very messy and difficult court battle when such accusations surface.
OP_Carl
08-27-2007, 02:12 PM
To add.....this talk about restoration as a saint. That is tough. We are talking about a guy who did this over and over during a period of years. He can be restored in the MO state prison, not some local church. And this "he admitted stuff". He was caught period.
You KNOW this man will be praying through while he is marched to his cell. :faint
Generally speaking child molesters and divorcees are not placed into ministry by the UPC even if these things went on before conversion, right?
The theory is that there is too much risk involved to place a former molester in a position of authority.
So would the UPC work with this guy at all if he "sees the light" and starts to minister in prison? The risk isn't there.
(I realize that he was living a double life, and is seen as a deceiver and spiritually unstable, but hypothetically speaking)
HangingOut
08-27-2007, 02:22 PM
If he gets a long term sentence rises to a place of respect in the system to have a ministry, yes. Do you know what usually happens to these guys in there? I have known a correction officer or two that work in the prisons and it is not a pretty picture once these guys are exposed. Your scenario might not even be realistic given the odds of survival.
You KNOW this man will be praying through while he is marched to his cell. :faint
Generally speaking child molesters and divorcees are not placed into ministry by the UPC even if these things went on before conversion, right?
The theory is that there is too much risk involved to place a former molester in a position of authority.
So would the UPC work with this guy at all if he "sees the light" and starts to minister in prison? The risk isn't there.
(I realize that he was living a double life, and is seen as a deceiver and spiritually unstable, but hypothetically speaking)
OP_Carl
08-27-2007, 02:31 PM
If he gets a long term sentence rises to a place of respect in the system to have a ministry, yes. Do you know what usually happens to these guys in there? I have known a correction officer or two that work in the prisons and it is not a pretty picture once these guys are exposed. Your scenario might not even be realistic given the odds of survival.
I too have friends that are prison employees, and I know that the weak are at risk for rape, and the molesters (and others deemed "unnatural") are at risk for murder inside the prison.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last very long in prison. Robbers, gangsters, and murderers have their standards, after all. :hmmm
HADDOCK
08-27-2007, 02:37 PM
Chances are he won't go to prison. If he's never had a record he could possibly get strict probation and if he stays clean, he might never spend a day behind bars. Most likely to 'save face' and possibly even for the sake of the victim being drug into court, a plea bargain will come out of it. If convicted though I'm sure he would be required for life to register as a sex offender. However, as some posts have brought up there could be other victims to come forth.
HangingOut
08-27-2007, 02:45 PM
Didn’t mean to imply he would killed, but they are usually degraded to the lowest level.
On probation. We have certain crimes here called measure 11 with minimum prison sentences. This is one of them I am sure.
I too have friends that are prison employees, and I know that the weak are at risk for rape, and the molesters (and others deemed "unnatural") are at risk for murder inside the prison.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last very long in prison. Robbers, gangsters, and murderers have their standards, after all. :hmmm
Subdued
08-27-2007, 03:02 PM
Wow. I'm feeling pretty sick to my stomach right about now. I grew up in Joplin, and Huling's daughter (sorry, I couldn't muster up a "brother") and I went to school together. She was the maid of honor at our wedding. C. Huling has been pastor in Webb City for a long time, and was presbyter at some point over Section 6.
I've spent the night at their home lots of times, went sledding with their kids, horseback riding. *sigh*
Sickening.
It's usually who you'd least expect. That's why it's so important to make this subject one that our kids can freely, openly, and comfortably talk about with us, their parents.
StillStanding
08-27-2007, 03:07 PM
I too have friends that are prison employees, and I know that the weak are at risk for rape, and the molesters (and others deemed "unnatural") are at risk for murder inside the prison.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last very long in prison. Robbers, gangsters, and murderers have their standards, after all. :hmmm
You should rent the movie, "The Apostle"! He goes to prison for murder and is still winning folks to the Lord! :)
MissBrattified
08-27-2007, 03:07 PM
It's usually who you'd least expect. That's why it's so important to make this subject one that our kids can freely, openly, and comfortably talk about with us, their parents.
Very good point, Subdued.
Light
08-27-2007, 04:29 PM
You KNOW this man will be praying through while he is marched to his cell. :faint
Where is this praying through at in the bible??
HeavenlyOne
08-27-2007, 04:56 PM
I too have friends that are prison employees, and I know that the weak are at risk for rape, and the molesters (and others deemed "unnatural") are at risk for murder inside the prison.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last very long in prison. Robbers, gangsters, and murderers have their standards, after all. :hmmm
You are correct. Child molesters end up as prison girlfriends.
HeavenlyOne
08-27-2007, 04:59 PM
Chances are he won't go to prison. If he's never had a record he could possibly get strict probation and if he stays clean, he might never spend a day behind bars. Most likely to 'save face' and possibly even for the sake of the victim being drug into court, a plea bargain will come out of it. If convicted though I'm sure he would be required for life to register as a sex offender. However, as some posts have brought up there could be other victims to come forth.
I doubt it.
I personally know a former pastor who was in the habit of taking a 16 yr old girl home from church and did this for about 3-6 months before she made accusations against him in regard to sex.
Those accusations were true, much to the disgust of his over 220 congregation and his wife and four children.
He spent 6 years in prison, lost his ministry (of course!) and his family.
My brother loved this man like a brother and didn't believe it until he confessed.
pelathais
08-27-2007, 05:25 PM
I guess I am so computer illiterate I would not have the foggiest idea on how to access porn over the internet? I have NEVER seen anything promoting it so a person evidently must search for it thus indicating a deep problem fed by what they were searching for?
Luckily today there are lots of guards against it. Back "in the day" I was an admin on the mail server serving our State Legislature. Just walking into the control room of the data center was disgusting at times as some of the guys were frantically trying to capture email header info to chase down open relays and the such. For some reason the spammers really wanted to hit all of the .gov addresses with filth. I personally collected info that helped to put a guy in Florida behind bars- albeit for a short time, but I never heard from him again.
The IT industry has done a commendable job in cleaning up the mess from the way it used to be. There's obviously still a lot of work to be done.
OP_Carl
08-27-2007, 05:59 PM
You are correct. Child molesters end up as prison girlfriends.
That's not what I was saying. Child molesters, along with other exceedingly twisted felons, end up dead. The "regular" criminals, robbers, killers, hetero rapists, they detest the "unnatural" and the child predators.
Jeffery Dahmer fell on his own fork . . . . fifty seven times . . . . in the federal pen in Terre Haute. :uhoh
Praxeas
08-27-2007, 06:15 PM
Chances are he won't go to prison. If he's never had a record he could possibly get strict probation and if he stays clean, he might never spend a day behind bars. Most likely to 'save face' and possibly even for the sake of the victim being drug into court, a plea bargain will come out of it. If convicted though I'm sure he would be required for life to register as a sex offender. However, as some posts have brought up there could be other victims to come forth.
Vick might get jail time for the thing with the dogs but rape a little girl and you can avoid prison? Something ain't right
RevDWW
08-27-2007, 06:41 PM
That's not what I was saying. Child molesters, along with other exceedingly twisted felons, end up dead. The "regular" criminals, robbers, killers, hetero rapists, they detest the "unnatural" and the child predators.
Jeffery Dahmer fell on his own fork . . . . fifty seven times . . . . in the federal pen in Terre Haute. :uhoh
Jeffery was clubbed to death with a iron bar from the weight room.......in a Wisconsin prison.
There is a report of him becoming a Christian and being baptized. Don't know it it's true........of course everything on Wikipedia has to be true, it's on the Internet.....:nod
RandyWayne
08-27-2007, 06:43 PM
Jeffery was clubbed to death with a iron bar from the weight room.......in a Wisconsin prison.
We live just a couple of miles from the prison where it all took place. lol
pelathais
08-27-2007, 06:52 PM
Jeffery was clubbed to death with a iron bar from the weight room.......in a Wisconsin prison.
There is a report of him becoming a Christian and being baptized. Don't know it it's true........of course everything on Wikipedia has to be true, it's on the Internet.....:nod
I forget exactly how it breaks down- but it's something like this - Dahmer's grandfather was in the PAW and that man's nephew is a current UPC minister/pastor.
The family ties are estranged but Dahmer was said to have been baptized in Jesus name at some point in his life. I get this from a woman who says she is the aunt of the killer. I had expressed doubts about the story but his "second cousins" in the UPC (the aunt's neices and nephews) assured me that they were indeed related.
Subdued
08-27-2007, 07:05 PM
I forget exactly how it breaks down- but it's something like this - Dahmer's grandfather was in the PAW and that man's nephew is a current UPC minister/pastor.
The family ties are estranged but Dahmer was said to have been baptized in Jesus name at some point in his life. I get this from a woman who says she is the aunt of the killer. I had expressed doubts about the story but his "second cousins" in the UPC (the aunt's neices and nephews) assured me that they were indeed related.
From what I read, he requested to be baptized in Jesus' name, but the minister was Trinitarian & told him that he baptizes in the name of FSHG and convinced Dahmer that this was the correct way to baptize. This was, apparently, while he was in prison. I'll try to find the link/story in the a.m. & post it.
FRINGE_NUTTER
08-27-2007, 09:21 PM
You KNOW this man will be praying through while he is marched to his cell. :faint
Generally speaking child molesters and divorcees are not placed into ministry by the UPC even if these things went on before conversion, right?
The theory is that there is too much risk involved to place a former molester in a position of authority.
So would the UPC work with this guy at all if he "sees the light" and starts to minister in prison? The risk isn't there.
(I realize that he was living a double life, and is seen as a deceiver and spiritually unstable, but hypothetically speaking)
I have seen men who have been married several times be ordained in the UPC. You did say generally speaking. I've seen it happen both when the marriage was before their conversion and after. I'm not affliated with the UPC and am no way demeaning those who are, but am curious about the official stand on this. If the stand is for ordaining only those who were married prior to their conversion and are now remarried, I know that this is not enforced. Men who've had multiple wives after conversion are pastoring, but maybe it is rare.
pelathais
08-27-2007, 09:41 PM
That was my understanding. Actually I believe in some states ANY person is required to report. I also understand that UPC ministers are instructed and possibly even have seminars in regard to these issues.
Well, in the case mentioned, the UPC minister did not report it. The matter eventually is reported by someone - a few years later actually and the man is indicted, arrested and eventually enters a guilty plea and now is required to register as a sex offender. He got 3 years, but all probation. slap
When the incident happened many folks "assumed" he had had an affair and it was left at that. This family had other children, boys and girls, in the home and yet church families were not warned that if they allowed their child to go to the home even for overnight stays, that there was a sexual child molester there.
The child victim was made out as the villan.
The legal technicalities may differ from state to state. In my state "clergy" are specifically identified in law as having a responsibility to report. A few people went to jail when that was first passed several years ago- not long sentences in prison, I believe; but long enough to make an example and get the word out.
Ethically, of course, I think we all agree you must step up and do something to stop the abuse and protect the innocent.
pelathais
08-27-2007, 09:44 PM
I have seen men who have been married several times be ordained in the UPC. You did say generally speaking. I've seen it happen both when the marriage was before their conversion and after. I'm not affliated with the UPC and am no way demeaning those who are, but am curious about the official stand on this. If the stand is for ordaining only those who were married prior to their conversion and are now remarried, I know that this is not enforced. Men who've had multiple wives after conversion are pastoring, but maybe it is rare.
For years the manual made special reference to "victims" of divorce. A board had discretion in cases where the minister, or minister-to-be was the "victim." I believe that language still exists.
Subdued
08-28-2007, 08:06 AM
From what I read, he requested to be baptized in Jesus' name, but the minister was Trinitarian & told him that he baptizes in the name of FSHG and convinced Dahmer that this was the correct way to baptize. This was, apparently, while he was in prison. I'll try to find the link/story in the a.m. & post it.
Here's a quote from: www.adherents.com/people/pd/Jeffrey_Dahmer.html (http://www.adherents.com/people/pd/Jeffrey_Dahmer.html)
"Jeff was concerned about the baptismal 'formula' to use. I normally say, 'I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit for the forgiveness of your sins.' He had been told that baptism was invalid unless the name of Jesus was the only name mentioned. After studying with him about this matter, he agreed to allow me to us the words with which I was comfortable. After Jeff changed into the baptistry robe, I went in and baptized him."
FRINGE_NUTTER
08-28-2007, 06:03 PM
For years the manual made special reference to "victims" of divorce. A board had discretion in cases where the minister, or minister-to-be was the "victim." I believe that language still exists.
Does this mean if the man is not the "victim", he is not supposed to be ordained according to what's written in the articles or manual? Forgive me for not knowing what to call the UPC Rulebook. Is ordaining or not ordaining a man a local decision?
Does this mean if the man is not the "victim", he is not supposed to be ordained according to what's written in the articles or manual? Forgive me for not knowing what to call the UPC Rulebook. Is ordaining or not ordaining a man a local decision?
I'm not UPC but I thought the decision to ordain or allow to continue in ministry after a divorce or an affair was up to the local district.
That's not what I was saying. Child molesters, along with other exceedingly twisted felons, end up dead. The "regular" criminals, robbers, killers, hetero rapists, they detest the "unnatural" and the child predators.
Jeffery Dahmer fell on his own fork . . . . fifty seven times . . . . in the federal pen in Terre Haute. :uhoh
Don't want to sound cruel, but maybe that is better justice than what the court system could give out.
We are required by law to report it.
I do not make exceptions on that one.
I agree with laws like that.
I do not think the "sanctity of the confession booth" or clergy privilege should apply here.
as members of the prayer team at the church I attended from 1992 until last year we were told that any abuse had to be reported to the authorities. If we heard anyone confess or request prayer about abuse, we had to tell them that it had to be reported. We would tell the person that and give him/her a chance to report it and if they did not immediately report it then we had to report it.
pelathais
08-28-2007, 06:39 PM
Does this mean if the man is not the "victim", he is not supposed to be ordained according to what's written in the articles or manual? Forgive me for not knowing what to call the UPC Rulebook. Is ordaining or not ordaining a man a local decision?
As Sam has pointed out, it is the job of the local (usually state-wide or thereabouts in size) district to license and ordain.
And yes, at least going a few years back, if a man's wife backslid and walked out on him, he would not be necessarily "kicked out." He would certainly end up meeting the board to talk about it. If the board was satisfied then the man would not loose his ministry due to the actions of his wife (or vice versa). Of course if the minister in question was something of a trouble maker it could be that this would be the "straw that breaks the camel's back."
But the decision is local (at the district level) as long as the district board is following the general guidance of the UPCI Manual.
To answer your other question (sort of?): "The Manual" of the UPCI contains "the rules" that every minister is to follow. These can be broken down:
The Articles of Faith: what the UPC teaches and believes to be necessary for salvation and thus, also for Christian fellowship. Every minister is "expected" to preach, believe and practice the Articles of Faith. They are supposed to (in one way or another) get their congregations on the same page as the AoF.
The Judicial Procedure: This spells out how differences among ministers, among districts and other bodies and among officials are to be worked out. Basically, you must follow a Matthew 18 pattern for conflict resolution and the org will help if called upon to provide arbiters, etc.
The Local Church Constitution: What every local assembly must do to become and remain affiliated with the UPCI. Local UPC churches may or may not be affiliated." It's up to them. The trend has been that most churches have become affiliated to protect their property, etc.
And then there's more organizational stuff: departments, endorsed schools and ministries (like Tupelo's and Lighthouse Ranch) etc. And of course every resolution that has ever been passed unless it was subsequently done away with by subsequent resolutions and a series of "Position Papers."
FRINGE_NUTTER
08-28-2007, 08:32 PM
It seems that no matter what the headquarters says, churches just do what they want to do. Not saying that is bad, just an observation.
As Sam has pointed out, it is the job of the local (usually state-wide or thereabouts in size) district to license and ordain.
And yes, at least going a few years back, if a man's wife backslid and walked out on him, he would not be necessarily "kicked out." He would certainly end up meeting the board to talk about it. If the board was satisfied then the man would not loose his ministry due to the actions of his wife (or vice versa). Of course if the minister in question was something of a trouble maker it could be that this would be the "straw that breaks the camel's back."
But the decision is local (at the district level) as long as the district board is following the general guidance of the UPCI Manual.
To answer your other question (sort of?): "The Manual" of the UPCI contains "the rules" that every minister is to follow. These can be broken down:
The Articles of Faith: what the UPC teaches and believes to be necessary for salvation and thus, also for Christian fellowship. Every minister is "expected" to preach, believe and practice the Articles of Faith. They are supposed to (in one way or another) get their congregations on the same page as the AoF.
The Judicial Procedure: This spells out how differences among ministers, among districts and other bodies and among officials are to be worked out. Basically, you must follow a Matthew 18 pattern for conflict resolution and the org will help if called upon to provide arbiters, etc.
The Local Church Constitution: What every local assembly must do to become and remain affiliated with the UPCI. Local UPC churches may or may not be affiliated." It's up to them. The trend has been that most churches have become affiliated to protect their property, etc.
And then there's more organizational stuff: departments, endorsed schools and ministries (like Tupelo's and Lighthouse Ranch) etc. And of course every resolution that has ever been passed unless it was subsequently done away with by subsequent resolutions and a series of "Position Papers."
pelathais
08-28-2007, 08:46 PM
It seems that no matter what the headquarters says, churches just do what they want to do. Not saying that is bad, just an observation.
I think the idea all along has been that the individual churches should have the freedom to develop their own ministries as they see fit. The thinking being, "you're in the community so you know what's working and what's not."
Of course as this involves the approval and use of ministers the national body needs to make certain that it's interests are addressed. There's a balancing act that has to be constantly fine tuned and worked out. That's what all the hullabaloo is usually about- the fine tuning and balance.
FRINGE_NUTTER
08-29-2007, 06:00 PM
Thank you for this information. I have lived in several areas and things vary so much across the country.
MissBrattified
08-29-2007, 09:36 PM
This was in the comments section under the Joplin Globe article about Curtis Huling:
posted by How Could You!
"I just have one statement to make...the victim YOU GO GIRL!!!! You did the right thing. It takes a very brave person to realize that "i've been wronged and I need to tell someone who can do something about it." To Curtis Huling, (whom I do know personally) How COULD YOU!!! Mother's day admitting that you had committed emotional "NOT PHYSICAL" adultery...was it with the victim??? Come on...we as a church should have known something was up then!!!"
Also, the police report is linked...here (http://www.joplinglobeonline.com/news/huling_docs/).
amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the idea all along has been that the individual churches should have the freedom to develop their own ministries as they see fit. The thinking being, "you're in the community so you know what's working and what's not."
Of course as this involves the approval and use of ministers the national body needs to make certain that it's interests are addressed. There's a balancing act that has to be constantly fine tuned and worked out. That's what all the hullabaloo is usually about- the fine tuning and balance.
myhaloisintheshop
08-30-2007, 08:12 AM
I really don't know what to make of this....
It was on the news last night
Wednesday, Aug 29, 2007 @06:47pm CST
An area pastor charged with child molestation says he's not guilty. 58-year-old Roy Huling of Joplin was in Jasper County Circuit Court this morning for his arraignment.
Huling pleaded not guilty to one count of child molestation. He's accused of having sexual relations with a young child. Huling was the pastor of the United Pentecostal Church in Webb City. He resigned from the church last Wednesday. Huling's next court appearance is scheduled for September 20th.
So you confess and then plead not guilty????
HADDOCK
08-30-2007, 08:22 AM
Routine "justice system" ploy. He may have confessed, but defendants most always come into Court when being arraigned and plead not guilty. If they don't have an attorney they are given another appearance to retain an attorney or if they are indigent, one is appointed and another appearance date set to allow them time to meet with the attorney. The attorney will most likely move that his "confession" or statement be suppressed and all sorts of other motions even perhaps seeking a mental evaluation and also probably seeking change of venue for the matter to be heard, if it proceeds to trial, in another location because of media attention and quite possibly because the minister may be well known. There will be one appearance after another and eventually there will be a trial date set. His attorney will try to make a deal and most likely will. If there is a trial you have a young victim having to go through the orderal of testifying in Court...... And, the defendant is probably advised that he'd be better off to take the deal than to go into court before a jury who probably wouldn't be very tolerant of this sort of action.
MissBrattified
08-30-2007, 08:33 AM
Isn't that kind of stupid? (To plead "Not guilty")...I thought a person would have an easier time in court if they pled guilty and apologized and all that....
RandyWayne
08-30-2007, 08:42 AM
<Play Law & Order tunktunk sound>
HangingOut
08-30-2007, 09:11 AM
I sort of hesitate on this, but I got word from a close source that stated he is being falsely accused by a former disgruntled saint. I am skeptical, but that is what I was told.
MissBrattified
08-30-2007, 09:25 AM
I sort of hesitate on this, but I got word from a close source that stated he is being falsely accused by a former disgruntled saint. I am skeptical, but that is what I was told.
Look, he is obviously going to go about defending himself however he can. Here's another comment from under the "Extra" JG article:
"She might have been molested, i hope for her she is lying, but sometime when a child comes forth with something like this they tell about what happened first to get it off their chest. and i know unfortunatly it doesn't make it feel any better. then when asked who they freeze and usually name someone they respect. I know because i have been there and wanted to protect the abuser, as crazy as it may sound. "
*sigh* Typical. Discredit the victim.
Read the police report attached to the article, if you haven't already. It's very enlightening.
Think: Why would CH agree to write a letter of apology to the victim if he had not done anything to apologize for? It states in the letter of apology to the victim that he apologizes for the incidents, "agrees that the incidents were correct as explained by the minor/victim."
HangingOut
08-30-2007, 09:33 AM
Which confirms my thoughts that my source is most likely misinformed.
Do you have the link to the police report.
Look, he is obviously going to go about defending himself however he can. Here's another comment from under the "Extra" JG article:
"She might have been molested, i hope for her she is lying, but sometime when a child comes forth with something like this they tell about what happened first to get it off their chest. and i know unfortunatly it doesn't make it feel any better. then when asked who they freeze and usually name someone they respect. I know because i have been there and wanted to protect the abuser, as crazy as it may sound. "
*sigh* Typical. Discredit the victim.
Read the police report attached to the article, if you haven't already. It's very enlightening.
Think: Why would CH agree to write a letter of apology to the victim if he had not done anything to apologize for? It states in the letter of apology to the victim that he apologizes for the incidents, "agrees that the incidents were correct as explained by the minor/victim."
MissBrattified
08-30-2007, 09:38 AM
Which confirms my thoughts that my source is most likely misinformed.
Do you have the link to the police report.
Police Report (http://www.joplinglobeonline.com/news/huling_docs/)
There are three pages (saved as images), documenting the interview with the victim, the police talking to CH at his home, his voluntary trip to the police station, his confession/agreement to the allegations, and his subsequent arrest. According to the report, CH was cooperative.
You can right-click on each page and save the images, if you want to print them out to read, or you can open them with Windows picture viewer(or whatever software you have) and zoom in to read the small print.
tbpew
08-30-2007, 09:40 AM
Which confirms my thoughts that my source is most likely misinformed.
Do you have the link to the police report.
MissB's post no. 294(?) has the hyperlink,http://www.joplinglobeonline.com/news/huling_docs/
the charging document does seem to directly contradict your source's comments. The individual confirmed the victim's accounts of various contacts with the defendant.
*edit* made the post while abby was posting...sorry
MissBrattified
08-30-2007, 09:42 AM
MissB's post no. 294(?) has the hyperlink, I supply it http://www.joplinglobeonline.com/news/huling_docs/
the charging document do seem to directly contradict your source's comments. The individual confirmed the victim's accounts of various contacts with the defendant.
*edit* made the post while abby was posting...sorry
Thanks for posting the link. :)
So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
tbpew
08-30-2007, 09:44 AM
Thanks for posting the link. :)
So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
maybe because he is pleading not quilty to the charge rather than the action.
Child Molestation, 1st Degree may have a series of 'factors' that have to be met that his attorney may feel can be disputed.
triumphant1
08-30-2007, 09:50 AM
Thanks for posting the link. :)
So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
Pleas are somewhat ambiguous...
There are generally 3 offered, Guilty, No contest, and not guilty. The range of these pleas can vary...for instance not guilty by reason of insanity...
If you plead guilty or no contest...then you are sentenced without a trial, without any more evidence, or without much way of bringing some level of sympathy from the court...
Therefore, if you want a trial, or the opportunity of a lesser charge (by pleaing down), you have to plead guilty even if you confess beforehand...
So the plea is a technicality in cases like this as opposed to an actual claim of guilt or innocence....
triumphant1
08-30-2007, 01:08 PM
Pleas are somewhat ambiguous...
There are generally 3 offered, Guilty, No contest, and not guilty. The range of these pleas can vary...for instance not guilty by reason of insanity...
If you plead guilty or no contest...then you are sentenced without a trial, without any more evidence, or without much way of bringing some level of sympathy from the court...
Therefore, if you want a trial, or the opportunity of a lesser charge (by pleaing down), you have to plead guilty even if you confess beforehand...
So the plea is a technicality in cases like this as opposed to an actual claim of guilt or innocence....
I meant for the bolded sentence to read:
Therefore, if you want a trial, or the opportunity of a lesser charge (by pleaing down), you have to plead NOT guilty even if you confess beforehand...
Subdued
08-30-2007, 01:22 PM
Look, he is obviously going to go about defending himself however he can. Here's another comment from under the "Extra" JG article:
"She might have been molested, i hope for her she is lying, but sometime when a child comes forth with something like this they tell about what happened first to get it off their chest. and i know unfortunatly it doesn't make it feel any better. then when asked who they freeze and usually name someone they respect. I know because i have been there and wanted to protect the abuser, as crazy as it may sound. "
*sigh* Typical. Discredit the victim.
Read the police report attached to the article, if you haven't already. It's very enlightening.
Think: Why would CH agree to write a letter of apology to the victim if he had not done anything to apologize for? It states in the letter of apology to the victim that he apologizes for the incidents,"agrees that the incidents were correct as explained by the minor/victim."
Gee, I wonder why kids are usually so afraid to tell & most of the time, never do...?
HeavenlyOne
08-30-2007, 03:09 PM
Thanks for posting the link. :)
So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
It means the victim also has to go to trial and if she doesn't testify or if they aren't satisfied with her testimony, it goes better for him than if he pleads guilty.
FRINGE_NUTTER
08-31-2007, 04:00 PM
It means the victim also has to go to trial and if she doesn't testify or if they aren't satisfied with her testimony, it goes better for him than if he pleads guilty.
OK...Looks like Senator Craig in Idaho will be making his resignation announcement tomorrow (Saturday)!
Believer
08-31-2007, 04:20 PM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/archivesearch/local_story_235125839.html
http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_235212756.html
Roy Curtis Huling, 58, a preacher at United Pentecostal Church in Webb City was charged Tuesday.
I guess this proves that no matter how high your holiness standards are you can still sin and fall from grace. Pastor Roy is just as human and vulnerable as the next person. If he is found guilty, then let justice be served. From the Police report it doesn't look good!
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