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mfblume
10-09-2007, 10:33 AM
Ever think of the titles and labels used around here? What do they refer to when they say CON or LIB? It is predominantly the issue of Clothes! (There is the liberal notion of salvation as well. But for the most part people are referring to what a person says about concerns over dress codes when they refer to CONS or LIBS). This means that we categorize people with the emphasis on clothing, when the bible NEVER made clothing an emphasis. It was briefly mentioned and it was mentioned in lieu of modesty and sexual distinction only. And the instances the Bible mentions that is microscopic compared to the issues the Bible emphasizes. And I strongly believe in modesty.

So, why do we not categorize people around the issues the bible emphasizes instead of things the bible barely mentions?
Trouvere
10-09-2007, 10:38 AM
I think Pastor Blume that its more than a fig leaf.I think its the mindset.
mfblume
10-09-2007, 10:39 AM
I think Pastor Blume that its more than a fig leaf.I think its the mindset.

Perhaps. But what is it that people mostly think about with even the mindset? Clothes, predominantly. Amongst all the things a person can be liberal about, or conservative about, it is clothing that tops the list.
Rhymis
10-09-2007, 10:41 AM
It's hard to think w/o clothes.
The Mrs
10-09-2007, 10:42 AM
What an interesting topic!

I wonder what the Lord thinks about us labeling our fellow brothers and sisters. :D
Trouvere
10-09-2007, 10:42 AM
Perhaps. But what is it that people mostly think about with even the mindset? Clothes, predominantly. Amongst all the things a person can be liberal about, or conservative about, it is clothing that tops the list.

not really.I consider myself conservative and I don't think about clothes alot unless I am shopping.I guess it might depend on how big a church crowd you are used to and how much life experience you have.Its easy to preach to the choir.I mostly think about prayer and reaching the backsliders and the lost.
mfblume
10-09-2007, 10:43 AM
How does the Lord categorize us? What emphasis does He place upon anything that COULD be categorized?
mfblume
10-09-2007, 10:43 AM
not really.I consider myself conservative and I don't think about clothes alot unless I am shopping.I guess it might depend on how big a church crowd you are used to and how much life experience you have.Its easy to preach to the choir.I mostly think about prayer and reaching the backsliders and the lost.

And that is good. But for the most part, this forum has evidenced that clothing is the issue with most people, along with TV's. lol
Rhymis
10-09-2007, 10:46 AM
Plenty of clothes and no TV is always a good thing .......... :)
Trouvere
10-09-2007, 10:47 AM
And that is good. But for the most part, this forum has evidenced that clothing is the issue with most people, along with TV's. lol

I just think its like that on this forum.I actually have been praying that someone would get on here and share the awesome revival their church is having.Not that anyone would be interested because lately it seems all anyone is interested in is arguing their point and talking about the UPC thing
going on.Its sad though.

btw how is Ca church going?
Digging4Truth
10-09-2007, 10:50 AM
As usual... an excellent thought Brother Blume.
mfblume
10-09-2007, 10:54 AM
I just think its like that on this forum.I actually have been praying that someone would get on here and share the awesome revival their church is having.Not that anyone would be interested because lately it seems all anyone is interested in is arguing their point and talking about the UPC thing
going on.Its sad though.

btw how is Ca church going?

Our church is doing great. I have never seen so many little miracles occur before as we have seen with the inception of the new work. Unbelievable donations out of the blue, members blessed to bless the church, contacts with quite supernatural causes, etc. But then, I never started a church before either. :)
mfblume
10-09-2007, 10:54 AM
As usual... an excellent thought Brother Blume.

Thanks, bro. It came to my mind when someone asked me about our new church and whether or not it was conservative or liberal. So I wondered to myself what they were specifically referring to.
Sister Alvear
10-09-2007, 10:57 AM
How does the Lord categorize us? What emphasis does He place upon anything that COULD be categorized?

a very stirring thought...
mfblume
10-09-2007, 11:15 AM
a very stirring thought...

Amen. And THAT is what I want to learn.
Trouvere
10-09-2007, 11:45 AM
I love people.Labels can be deceiving.We can judge too quickly.Its funny how some want you to take sides.Its immature and reminds me of elementary school.God is still God and He holds the keys to death,hell and the grave.
RevDWW
10-09-2007, 11:49 AM
They best thing someone could say about me is that they recognize that I have been with Jesus..........like Acts 4.
mfblume
10-09-2007, 11:58 AM
They best thing someone could say about me is that they recognize that I have been with Jesus..........like Acts 4.

AMEN!
Trouvere
10-09-2007, 11:59 AM
Like Moses when he came down out of the mountain and had the ten commandments.
mfblume
10-09-2007, 12:02 PM
The new testament emphasizes such things as RevDWW said. It also emphasizes walking after the Spirit and being Spirit led. Col 2 says we should stop emphasizing things we can touch, taste or handle and instead emphasize things ABOVE where Christ sits at the right hand. Paul then says they are things like forebearance, and love and so on.

John was categorized as the one who loved Jesus, and whom Jesus loved!
Sister Alvear
10-09-2007, 12:23 PM
after life is said and done I hope I can be remembered for being a christian.
Praxeas
10-09-2007, 12:38 PM
It's hard to think w/o clothes.
only if others are watching......
Praxeas
10-09-2007, 12:39 PM
I'm a moderately conservative liberal :driving
BrotherEastman
10-09-2007, 12:45 PM
I'm a moderately conservative liberal :driving
OOOOOOO, Thats not good.
philjones
10-09-2007, 12:46 PM
I'm a moderately conservative liberal :driving

Well, I will have to change my peg board.

I had you as a conservatively liberal moderate!:killinme:killinme
MissBrattified
10-09-2007, 12:53 PM
I'm a moderately liberal conservative. :)
philjones
10-09-2007, 12:56 PM
I'm a moderately liberal conservative. :)

We is twins!:hypercoffee
MrsMcD
10-09-2007, 12:57 PM
after life is said and done I hope I can be remembered for being a christian.

Me too Sister Alvear!
BrotherEastman
10-09-2007, 01:01 PM
I'm a moderately liberal conservative. :)
Thats not good either sis! LOL!:D
Sister Alvear
10-09-2007, 01:04 PM
I have always loved the word CHRISTIAN staying with my sister these days in such trying circumstances she told me the other day...Janice, I don't want to be Pentecostal BUT I want to be a christian like you...so if I can obtain that status I will be happy.
Timmy
10-09-2007, 01:12 PM
I'm a moderately liberal conservative. :)

I'm a liberally liberal liberal! :slaphappy
chosenbyone
10-09-2007, 01:13 PM
Ever think of the titles and labels used around here? What do they refer to when they say CON or LIB? It is predominantly the issue of Clothes! (There is the liberal notion of salvation as well. But for the most part people are referring to what a person says about concerns over dress codes when they refer to CONS or LIBS). This means that we categorize people with the emphasis on clothing, when the bible NEVER made clothing an emphasis. It was briefly mentioned and it was mentioned in lieu of modesty and sexual distinction only. And the instances the Bible mentions that is microscopic compared to the issues the Bible emphasizes. And I strongly believe in modesty.

So, why do we not categorize people around the issues the bible emphasizes instead of things the bible barely mentions?

Great thread! You know, I never thought of myself in over 20 years of being an Apostolic as a lib, mod or con. It wasn't until this forum that I began to wonder what others would categorize me as being?

I was called a liberal be some, because of my hesitancy to judge others by a "holiness standard". Furthermore, I found it difficult to see clearly what category suited me the best. Many aspects of my personal convictions would have placed me in the moderate to conservative categories. I don't feel it would be immodest to wear shorts or jewelery; however, those things would be something that personally I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing (I do wear shorts in my home). I have owned a television for many years, but I won't go to a movie theater, because my choice of entertainment would be different than the movies that Hollywood produces. Looking back during my walk with the Lord, I guess depending on the time, I could have been placed in all three of those categories. It must grieve our Lord to see his children judging one another like they do!

Today, the things in life that matter the most to me would be that I loved as Jesus instructed me to love and to help those that were less fortunate than me. To see others as he would see them and act accordingly.
Sister Alvear
10-09-2007, 01:13 PM
I hate titles...moderate. conservative. liberal. ultra con and on and on...
I don't even like the church signs that say Apostolic reminds me too much of the Catholic church that is called Apostolic in Brazil. I really don't like the word Pentecostal either too many things come under that heading...

Raul Jr likes Apostolic so he has Apostolic this and Apostolic that...

I am really a different person....
BrotherEastman
10-09-2007, 01:14 PM
I'm a liberally liberal liberal! :slaphappy
That got something for that Timmy, you might wanna get a prescription for it, before it spreads.
Praxeas
10-09-2007, 01:26 PM
I'm a liberally liberal liberal! :slaphappy
Now THAT is REALLY bad..... I think we can all unify over that one :roseglasses
Timmy
10-09-2007, 01:47 PM
Now THAT is REALLY bad..... I think we can all unify over that one :roseglasses

Timmy put the "U" back in "UPCI"! :toofunny
COOPER
10-09-2007, 02:07 PM
Ever think of the titles and labels used around here? What do they refer to when they say CON or LIB? It is predominantly the issue of Clothes! (There is the liberal notion of salvation as well. But for the most part people are referring to what a person says about concerns over dress codes when they refer to CONS or LIBS). This means that we categorize people with the emphasis on clothing, when the bible NEVER made clothing an emphasis. It was briefly mentioned and it was mentioned in lieu of modesty and sexual distinction only. And the instances the Bible mentions that is microscopic compared to the issues the Bible emphasizes. And I strongly believe in modesty.

So, why do we not categorize people around the issues the bible emphasizes instead of things the bible barely mentions?

:killinme
LadyRev
10-09-2007, 02:19 PM
Me thinks Coop is easily amused.
COOPER
10-09-2007, 02:26 PM
Me thinks Coop is easily amused.

Shhh......theres a dear.............
philjones
10-09-2007, 02:35 PM
Shhh......theres a dear.............

She actually only gets quiet for dEEr.... :killinme:killinme
LadyRev
10-09-2007, 02:43 PM
She actually only gets quiet for dEEr.... :killinme:killinme

LOLROTF! That is EXACTLY right! :killinme
Rhymis
10-09-2007, 02:52 PM
I like labels -- they help me to bring home green beans instead of dog food.

LONG LIVE LABELS!!!!!!

Labels are our friends
:scoregood
LadyRev
10-09-2007, 03:17 PM
I like labels -- they help me to bring home green beans instead of dog food.

LONG LIVE LABELS!!!!!!

Labels are our friends
:scoregood

OH I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Who wants to discover sauerkraut when one expected coleslaw....YECK!
Rhymis
10-09-2007, 03:36 PM
PLUS my mattress label keeps me out of prison ....

"WARNING: Under penalty of the law, this label is not to be removed!"

:bedtime
Esther
10-09-2007, 03:40 PM
PLUS my mattress label keeps me out of prison ....

"WARNING: Under penalty of the law, this label is not to be removed!"

:bedtime

Yes, what is the deal with that?
Rhymis
10-09-2007, 03:43 PM
Yes, what is the deal with that?

What? With me staying out of prison or the label?
dizzyde
10-09-2007, 03:58 PM
Ever think of the titles and labels used around here? What do they refer to when they say CON or LIB? It is predominantly the issue of Clothes! (There is the liberal notion of salvation as well. But for the most part people are referring to what a person says about concerns over dress codes when they refer to CONS or LIBS). This means that we categorize people with the emphasis on clothing, when the bible NEVER made clothing an emphasis. It was briefly mentioned and it was mentioned in lieu of modesty and sexual distinction only. And the instances the Bible mentions that is microscopic compared to the issues the Bible emphasizes. And I strongly believe in modesty.

So, why do we not categorize people around the issues the bible emphasizes instead of things the bible barely mentions?


I have often wondered how those who: gossip about, spread rumors about, have hate in their hearts toward, refuse to speak to when paths cross, disfellowship, because of differences in opinion when it comes to "standards", justify themselves when (or if) they actually read the Bible, and how they can ignore verse after verse on loving your brother. My only conclusion is that they honestly believe that if your interpretation of biblical "standards" is different from theirs, you are not a brother. This makes me very sad. Why do we do this? Why is it so hard to give each other the freedom to have differences of opinion? Why is it so important to be "right"?
dizzyde
10-09-2007, 03:59 PM
PLUS my mattress label keeps me out of prison ....

"WARNING: Under penalty of the law, this label is not to be removed!"

:bedtime

Yes, what is the deal with that?

What? With me staying out of prison or the label?

:slaphappy:slaphappy:slaphappy:slaphappy
Praxeas
10-09-2007, 04:49 PM
She actually only gets quiet for dEEr.... :killinme:killinme
I thought she was a DOH!
philjones
10-09-2007, 04:51 PM
I thought she was a DOH!

Now, look, Her last name is not Simpson.. it is Rev so stop with all the insults!~:pirate:snapout
mfblume
10-09-2007, 10:50 PM
I have often wondered how those who: gossip about, spread rumors about, have hate in their hearts toward, refuse to speak to when paths cross, disfellowship, because of differences in opinion when it comes to "standards", justify themselves when (or if) they actually read the Bible, and how they can ignore verse after verse on loving your brother. My only conclusion is that they honestly believe that if your interpretation of biblical "standards" is different from theirs, you are not a brother. This makes me very sad. Why do we do this? Why is it so hard to give each other the freedom to have differences of opinion? Why is it so important to be "right"?

Very good words!
FRINGE_NUTTER
10-09-2007, 11:08 PM
How does the Lord categorize us? What emphasis does He place upon anything that COULD be categorized?

SHEEP AND GOATS

He tells us not to compare ourselves among ourselves (if we want to be wise).

Some wolves come in sheep's clothing and some sheep can look like goats until you examine them carefully. Sometimes goats can even look a like sheep - especially when they are babies.
Truthseeker
10-10-2007, 06:03 AM
Ever think of the titles and labels used around here? What do they refer to when they say CON or LIB? It is predominantly the issue of Clothes! (There is the liberal notion of salvation as well. But for the most part people are referring to what a person says about concerns over dress codes when they refer to CONS or LIBS). This means that we categorize people with the emphasis on clothing, when the bible NEVER made clothing an emphasis. It was briefly mentioned and it was mentioned in lieu of modesty and sexual distinction only. And the instances the Bible mentions that is microscopic compared to the issues the Bible emphasizes. And I strongly believe in modesty.

So, why do we not categorize people around the issues the bible emphasizes instead of things the bible barely mentions?


Yeah, I want to get the christian part doen first before worrying about being a con, lob, mod or whatever. Only two kinds of believers in the bible, those walking in the spirit and those walking after the flesh.
Steve Epley
10-10-2007, 07:48 AM
I like labels -- they help me to bring home green beans instead of dog food.

LONG LIVE LABELS!!!!!!

Labels are our friends
:scoregood

Remember those poundings without labels???????????????????? SURPRIZE!!:runhills
Sister Alvear
10-18-2007, 05:21 PM
just label me a christian...something deep inside me yearns to be more Jesus -like everyday.
freeatlast
10-18-2007, 06:15 PM
Ever think of the titles and labels used around here? What do they refer to when they say CON or LIB? It is predominantly the issue of Clothes! (There is the liberal notion of salvation as well. But for the most part people are referring to what a person says about concerns over dress codes when they refer to CONS or LIBS). This means that we categorize people with the emphasis on clothing, when the bible NEVER made clothing an emphasis. It was briefly mentioned and it was mentioned in lieu of modesty and sexual distinction only. And the instances the Bible mentions that is microscopic compared to the issues the Bible emphasizes. And I strongly believe in modesty.

So, why do we not categorize people around the issues the bible emphasizes instead of things the bible barely mentions?



Brother, it's because we major on that which the bible barely mentions or does not mention at all.

We preach another gospel ! The gospel of standards !!!
mfblume
10-18-2007, 06:28 PM
Brother, it's because we major on that which the bible barely mentions or does not mention at all.

We preach another gospel ! The gospel of standards !!!

I have long felt there is a need to emphasize what the bible emphasizes, and it is not happening everywhere.

Again, Col 3 shows us what to emphasize. Not the touch not, taste not, handle not spirit of law. But flesh always finds it easier to concentrate on things flesh can relate to, and put a religious cloke over it all.
Hoovie
10-18-2007, 06:29 PM
And that is good. But for the most part, this forum has evidenced that clothing is the issue with most people, along with TV's. lol

Guess I may be an exception then. I have always had difficulty in labeling myself. In a UPC perspective, I am Ultra Con in some areas and Ultra Liberal in others... I guess thats why, when pressed I often default to "moderate"! :saycheese
Truly Blessed
10-18-2007, 06:45 PM
SHEEP AND GOATS

He tells us not to compare ourselves among ourselves (if we want to be wise).

Some wolves come in sheep's clothing and some sheep can look like goats until you examine them carefully. Sometimes goats can even look a like sheep - especially when they are babies.Heads up on how to determine if you have a genuine sheep or not. Give what may appear to be a sheep a position and if he isn't he will immediately begin acting like a goat! Or even worse, like a wolfe! :)
Joseph Miller
10-18-2007, 10:46 PM
Plenty of clothes and no TV is always a good thing .......... :)


Plenty of clothes and a BIG screen TV is always a good thing.
mfblume
10-18-2007, 10:53 PM
Heads up on how to determine if you have a genuine sheep or not. Give what may appear to be a sheep a position and if he isn't he will immediately begin acting like a goat! Or even worse, like a wolfe! :)

Good thought!