UPC Pastor Advertises on TV for Biker's Sunday!!!!!

[Thad]

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DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????

[Digging4Truth]

Why would anyone be upset about it?

Are they afraid that a lost person might come to church?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

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DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????

Must have been in South or West as it is too cold in the North!

[Thad]

Why would anyone be upset about it?

Are they afraid that a lost person might come to church?




well first of all, advertising on TV is against the rules that preachers agree to uphold


Next, It was on a station that has to bleep out a lot of bad language


lastly, the biker look and style doesn't represent Pentecost too well

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

well first of all, advertising on TV is against the rules that preachers agree to uphold


Next, It was on a station that has to bleep out a lot of bad language


lastly, the biker look and style doesn't represent Pentecost too well

And NASCAR and Country Music are representing Pentecost so well too....

[ManOfWord]

God forbid that any seedy persons would show up at church and tarnish its image! :D

Would to God that that the pews would be filled with them and that they would think that they are welcome the way they currently are. Sounds an aweful lot like what Jesus would do. After all, He was accused of hanging out with sinners.

This church is to be commended for thinking more about the reaching the lost than the status quo. If people get offended, they need another trip to the altar under the heat of the HG allowing their cold, hardened hearts to become plyable once again and touched by the condition of the lost! IMHO, anyway.

I mean, really.....what a terrible thing that the sick would show up at the hospital! :killinme

[MrsMcD]

Good for the pastor that held this service. Maybe he will win some bikers to Christ by letting them know that he cares about them.

[Thad]

And NASCAR and Country Music are representing Pentecost so well too....


how is that ??

It will be a sad day If Pentecost ever has a "nascar sunday"

[QueenEsther]

* * * * NEWS FLASH * * * *
DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????

I say good for him!!!!! I hope many souls were touched.

[revrandy]

God forbid that any seedy persons would show up at church and tarnish its image! :D

Would to God that that the pews would be filled with them and that they would think that they are welcome the way they currently are. Sounds an aweful lot like what Jesus would do. After all, He was accused of hanging out with sinners.

This church is to be commended for thinking more about the reaching the lost than the status quo. If people get offended, they need another trip to the altar under the heat of the HG allowing their cold, hardened hearts to become plyable once again and touched by the condition of the lost! IMHO, anyway.

I mean, really.....what a terrible thing that the sick would show up at the hospital! :killinme


Come On... MOW.... you know church isn't for sinners... just for sinning saints!!!! :tease

[QueenEsther]

well first of all, advertising on TV is against the rules that preachers agree to uphold


Next, It was on a station that has to bleep out a lot of bad language


lastly, the biker look and style doesn't represent Pentecost too well

Granted, if he signed a contract or agreement form with the UPC saying he would not advertise on TV then he shouldn't do it but other than that I say it is a great idea.

[NLYP]

* * * * NEWS FLASH * * * *
DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????

GREAT!
The ONLY way we are going to find out if this stuff works is for some to just do it!

[Thad]

God forbid that any seedy persons would show up at church and tarnish its image! :D

Would to God that that the pews would be filled with them and that they would think that they are welcome the way they currently are. Sounds an aweful lot like what Jesus would do. After all, He was accused of hanging out with sinners.

This church is to be commended for thinking more about the reaching the lost than the status quo. If people get offended, they need another trip to the altar under the heat of the HG allowing their cold, hardened hearts to become plyable once again and touched by the condition of the lost! IMHO, anyway.

I mean, really.....what a terrible thing that the sick would show up at the hospital! :killinme


that's not the point manofword. I believe it's "whosoever will let 'em come"
but where does it stop??
we have a church in my town that has a " NFL Super bowl Sunday". they serve popcorn with streamers and scream and yell for their team but if you went any other sunday and shouted like that they would escort you out.

[Digging4Truth]

well first of all, advertising on TV is against the rules that preachers agree to uphold

Then they should get out of the org and go reach the lost.

Next, It was on a station that has to bleep out a lot of bad language


Cool... that means that almost EVERY single listener needs God.. Excellent planning.

lastly, the biker look and style doesn't represent Pentecost too well

A Church full of bikers hearing the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ represents Pentecost to the hilt.

As does a church full of NASCAR fans and a church full of Country Music fans.

[Digging4Truth]

but where does it stop??

When the nets are full.

[Nahum]

This is quite popular in central Illinois. I don't agree with going against the anti-ads thing, but what is wrong with a biker Sunday?

Sounds pretty cool to me.

[Annie]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!

JMHO

[SoCaliUPC]

* * * * NEWS FLASH * * * *
DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????

I know there are a lot of pastors who are totally against this "type" of ministry and I know of one pastor who wrote a very inflammatory letter to the other pastors in a section telling them "Bro. ______ is leading his church down that dangerous slippery slope to liberalism by having a biker group at their church."

That's just one issue.

The second would be that dreaded advertising on TV. Forbid.

I think some have just lost meaning of reaching one more soul.

[SoCaliUPC]

And NASCAR and Country Music are representing Pentecost so well too....

Huh?

[MrsMcD]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!

JMHO

Amen Amen Amen!!!

[Felicity]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!

JMHOExcuse me!!!! Thank God that you can't tell a saint from a sinner?!! :wacko

[Neck]

The UPCI Church I had attended for 27 years. Would advertise on local TV all the time. The UPCI is in the dark if they think churches are not using TV.

[MrsMcD]

I know there are a lot of pastors who are totally against this "type" of ministry and I know of one pastor who wrote a very inflammatory letter to the other pastors in a section telling them "Bro. ______ is leading his church down that dangerous slippery slope to liberalism by having a biker group at their church."

That's just one issue.

The second would be that dreaded advertising on TV. Forbid.

I think some have just lost meaning of reaching one more soul.

Sad Indeed!

[Annie]

Thank God that you can't tell a saint from a sinner?!! :wacko

Why are you rolling your eyes? There ARE young UPCI churches that have so many new babies, you cannot tell outwardly who needs to hear this salvation message, and who has already received it, and obeyed it...that was the point I attempting to make...sorry if I am not real good with the written word.

[South of I 90]

The UPCI Church I had attended for 27 years. Would advertise on local TV all the time. The UPCI is in the dark if they think churches are not using TV.


It's ok for a UPC church to advertise on TV.

It's not ok for UPC minister to advertise on TV.

That's my interpretation of the 2007 UPC version of the "manifesto"!! :tiphat

[MrsMcD]

Why are you rolling your eyes? There ARE young UPCI churches that have so many new babies, you cannot tell outwardly who needs to hear this salvation message, and who has already received it, and obeyed it...that was the point I attempting to make...sorry if I am not real good with the written word.

I understood your point. I had rather go to a church that is progressing with new converts that may not look exactly like we think they should look. If everyone looks the same, it seems there are no new converts. Some of the posters don't follow the standards that UPC, etc does, so at their churches everyone may look the same anyway.

[Thad]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!

JMHO

Annie I understand what you are saying here. I'm 1000% for winning the lost. If some Cons came to my church on a sunday morning.....O boy, they would think we had gone down that slippery slope!!

what I am against is having Secialized sunday services for different social Groups such as the church I mentioned that has a "super bowl sunday"

[QueenEsther]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!
JMHO


Amen!! This is exactly what we have been telling our youth group!

[Esther]

Annie I understand what you are saying here. I'm 1000% for winning the lost. If some Cons came to my church on a sunday morning.....O boy, they would think we had gone down that slippery slope!!

what I am against is having Secialized sunday services for different social Groups such as the church I mentioned that has a "super bowl sunday"

Thad why are you against this specialized service, do you feel it isolates others?

[MissBrattified]

well first of all, advertising on TV is against the rules that preachers agree to uphold

This is the only concern, IMO.


Next, It was on a station that has to bleep out a lot of bad language

How do you know? :heeheehee

Honestly, though, if we were going to advertise church services, I would want the advertisements to be on every station, even, no, especially, the bad ones!!!


lastly, the biker look and style doesn't represent Pentecost too well

What is your deal with the biker look? This came up once before on NFCF! There is nothing wrong with leather and motorcycles!!!!! :dunno Anyway, I'd be happy if a bunch of bikers showed up for Sunday morning church! Some of those tough guys are the easiest to reach!

[South of I 90]

Annie I understand what you are saying here. I'm 1000% for winning the lost. If some Cons came to my church on a sunday morning.....O boy, they would think we had gone down that slippery slope!!

what I am against is having Secialized sunday services for different social Groups such as the church I mentioned that has a "super bowl sunday"

What do you do on Mother's Day or Father's Day?

I know Christmas isn't an issue in the WD!! :heeheehee

[Thad]

[/B]

Thad why are you against this specialized service, do you feel it isolates others?


just like someone else ask, what's next ? a Nascar sunday celebration servcie ????

I'm for reaching Nascar people, biker people , and any other group but not to have a service just for them . we should all come togehter.

i also feel that sports has become the god of america, something we worship too much. and then to center a service around it --too much

[Annie]

just like someone else ask, what's next ? a Nascar sunday celebration servcie ????

I'm for reaching Nascar people, biker people , and any other group but not to have a service just for them . we should all come togehter.

i also feel that sports has become the god of america, something we worship too much. and then to center a service around it --too much


I can respect your opinion on this matter- my husband feels the same way...

[Thad]

What do you do on Mother's Day or Father's Day?

I know Christmas isn't an issue in the WD!! :heeheehee


HONOR thy mother and father ......

never said honor the scoocer team and the bikers club.

[Hegavmelif]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!

JMHO

I attend a church that runs over 600 steady. Our church is growing and has seen a 25% increase over last year. We all look "HOLY" and we ARE having Revival!

People who come and find the true delivering power of God DO change and DO lose their desire to look and be like the world.

To say that a church where all the people look the same needs revival is a bit over the top and untrue.

Our church has been in revival for months and we all look the same!!! A testament that sinners and backsliders do find God in revival and do conform as a result of that change.

[Steadfast]

Annie I understand what you are saying here. I'm 1000% for winning the lost. If some Cons came to my church on a sunday morning.....O boy, they would think we had gone down that slippery slope!!

what I am against is having Secialized sunday services for different social Groups such as the church I mentioned that has a "super bowl sunday"

They are trying to convert with a 'social' gospel instead of transform with a 'moral' gospel. And, yes, it is sad.

Reaching the lost is a mandate. We have to do it or we're in trouble on Judgment Day. I've not a singe problem with reaching the lost but somewhere there has to be an encounter with a transforming Almighty.

This is why the other post about 'can't tell Saint from sinner' drew quick fire (although it was later explained). I have MANY who look like rank sinners because they have only been in the Church a few weeks. However, the mature Church looks like the Church... no mistaking that!

I'm all for gimmicks (without lying or going against what I've agreed to by being a part of a certain organization) and I utilize lots of things. I wouldn't be against Biker Sunday / Friend Sunday / Special Days... (Okay, admittedly no Super Bowl will ever be seen in my sanctuary!) but the bottom line is that Pentcost better never make the mistake of the false doctrine Churches that think a 'social' gospel will glean the same results as a 'moral' gospel.

[Thad]

I attend a church that runs over 600 steady. Our church is growing and has seen a 25% increase over last year. We all look "HOLY" and we ARE having Revival!

People who come and find the true delivering power of God DO change and DO lose their desire to look and be like the world.

To say that a church where all the people look the same needs revival is a bit over the top and untrue.

Our church has been in revival for months and we all look the same!!! A testament that sinners and backsliders do find God in revival and do conform as a result of that change.


In all respect, I think you might be missing her point here .

annie ?

[QueenEsther]

They are trying to convert with a 'social' gospel instead of transform with a 'moral' gospel. And, yes, it is sad.

Reaching the lost is a mandate. We have to do it or we're in trouble on Judgment Day. I've not a singe problem with reaching the lost but somewhere there has to be an encounter with a transforming Almighty.

This is why the other post about 'can't tell Saint from sinner' drew quick fire (although it was later explained). I have MANY who look like rank sinners because they have only been in the Church a few weeks. However, the mature Church looks like the Church... no mistaking that!
I'm all for gimmicks (without lying or going against what I've agreed to by being a part of a certain organization) and I utilize lots of things. I wouldn't be against Biker Sunday / Friend Sunday / Special Days... (Okay, admittedly no Super Bowl will ever be seen in my sanctuary!) but the bottom line is that Pentcost better never make the mistake of the false doctrine Churches that think a 'social' gospel will glean the same results as a 'moral' gospel.

Exactly! You shouldn't baptize someone on Sunday and by your midweek service expect them to "look the part".

I think watching a football game in the church is crossing the line. I even think cancelling church service for the event is going too far.

[Annie]

In all respect, I think you might be missing her point here .

annie ?


Yup, she did...but, that's okay. I think MOST got my point...*smile*

[IAintMovin]

Granted, if he signed a contract or agreement form with the UPC saying he would not advertise on TV then he shouldn't do it but other than that I say it is a great idea.
We do sign an agreement with the UPCI that states that we will abide by the guidelines in the AOF. One of which is that there will be no TV advertising (at this time). IMHO when you break that agreement you are lying, pure and simple. Revelation 21:8.

I know certain ones who will say yahoooo....to those who lie, I for one do not.

When and if it is changed in the AOF - then I will say to that pastor, I am all for it, but till then, there is nothing in the Bible about advertising on TV, but there is something in the Bible about lying. Pure and simple.

I have no problem with the ad, I have a problem with the lie.

[Esther]

They are trying to convert with a 'social' gospel instead of transform with a 'moral' gospel. And, yes, it is sad.

Reaching the lost is a mandate. We have to do it or we're in trouble on Judgment Day. I've not a singe problem with reaching the lost but somewhere there has to be an encounter with a transforming Almighty.

This is why the other post about 'can't tell Saint from sinner' drew quick fire (although it was later explained). I have MANY who look like rank sinners because they have only been in the Church a few weeks. However, the mature Church looks like the Church... no mistaking that!

I'm all for gimmicks (without lying or going against what I've agreed to by being a part of a certain organization) and I utilize lots of things. I wouldn't be against Biker Sunday / Friend Sunday / Special Days... (Okay, admittedly no Super Bowl will ever be seen in my sanctuary!) but the bottom line is that Pentcost better never make the mistake of the false doctrine Churches that think a 'social' gospel will glean the same results as a 'moral' gospel.

You are saying something I really feel strong about as well.

My opinion is when we lose the Power we then need the gimmicks.

Disclaimer: Not saying that is the problem here. Just seeing a trend of this.

[Esther]

Thad is this the same church that just had a liberal singing reunion?

[deltaguitar]

This church recently had a biker sunday. I was a little suprised and inspired when I read this. Maybe the UPC has a chance after all.

http://www.fpcjackson.com/html/biker_sunday2006_10.html

:bliss

[Annie]

We do sign an agreement with the UPCI that states that we will abide by the guidelines in the AOF. One of which is that there will be no TV advertising (at this time). IMHO when you break that agreement you are lying, pure and simple. Revelation 21:8.

I know certain ones who will say yahoooo....to those who lie, I for one do not.

When and if it is changed in the AOF - then I will say to that pastor, I am all for it, but till then, there is nothing in the Bible about advertising on TV, but there is something in the Bible about lying. Pure and simple.

I have no problem with the ad, I have a problem with the lie.



Maybe he sent a disclaimer in with his signed agreement?? Have no clue- just throwing that out there...I know some do this regarding the tv issue...

[IAintMovin]

Maybe he sent a disclaimer in with his signed agreement?? Have no clue- just throwing that out there...I know some do this regarding the tv issue...
Does not matter, you AGREE with you join, if your agreement changes, you need to leave.

Disclaimer means nothing - still just a simple lie.

[Thad]

Thad is this the same church that just had a liberal singing reunion?



:bliss :heeheehee :tease :heeheehee :bliss

[Thad]

This church recently had a biker sunday. I was a little suprised and inspired when I read this. Maybe the UPC has a chance after all.

http://www.fpcjackson.com/html/biker_sunday2006_10.html

:bliss


a chance ? what do you mean by that ?

[Annie]

Does not matter, you AGREE with you join, if your agreement changes, you need to leave.

Disclaimer means nothing - still just a simple lie.

I understand.

[South of I 90]

HONOR thy mother and father ......

never said honor the scoocer team and the bikers club.

You're right.

However; I don't think a specialized service every now in then is such a bad idea.

All depends on the diversity of the city the church is located.

[deltaguitar]

a chance ? what do you mean by that ?

Maybe, a chance for some common sense.

I would have never guessed that FPC would have a biker sunday. I think it is a great idea.

[South of I 90]

Exactly! You shouldn't baptize someone on Sunday and by your midweek service expect them to "look the part".

I think watching a football game in the church is crossing the line. I even think cancelling church service for the event is going too far.

Most churches in America doesn't have evening services on Sunday.

This trend is growing in the Apostolic Churches

[deltaguitar]

Also, we are having a revival this month and our church will be advertising on TV.

We recently had a new convert stand up in church and testify that when his wife saw our pastor talking during the commercial she felt an urgency to come to our church. They were both filled with the Holy Ghost and are now members of our church.

:bliss

[RevDWW]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!

JMHO

I think it was Jesus that said "By their fruits you shall know them". You can't tell by just the outward appearance, not that there is anything wrong with looking good/clean/resecptable/holy/rightousness on the outside.

[Esther]

I think it was Jesus that said "By their fruits you shall know them". You can't tell by just the outward appearance, not that there is anything wrong with looking good/clean/resecptable/holy/rightousness on the outside.

Amen Brother!

[Thad]

Maybe, a chance for some common sense.

I would have never guessed that FPC would have a biker sunday. I think it is a great idea.


how about a "cinco de meyo" (sp?) sunday ?
how about a guadalupe sunday ? how about a soocer bowl sunday with free drinks? how about a gay pride sunday? after all it's a way to get the sinners to church

[Annie]

how about a "cinco de meyo" (sp?) sunday ?
how about a guadalupe sunday ? how about a soocer bowl sunday with free drinks? how about a gay pride sunday? after all it's a way to get the sinners to church



:killinme Now, THAT would be something to SEE... LOL

[South of I 90]

how about a "cinco de meyo" (sp?) sunday ?
how about a guadalupe sunday ? how about a soocer bowl sunday with free drinks? how about a gay pride sunday? after all it's a way to get the sinners to church


I have the answer!!

Do it on Saturday!!!! :bliss

[Thad]

Most churches in America doesn't have evening services on Sunday.

This trend is growing in the Apostolic Churches



that is a growing trend for sure.

we still have sunday night. many who condemn those who do not, probably have a low key sunday morning and sunday night is THE NIGHT. but when you have a sunday morning where you pull all the stops out and pour 100% energy into outreach and choir , preaching,etc, it's hard to come back at night and repeat the same thing over.

[Annie]

how about a "cinco de meyo" (sp?) sunday ?
how about a guadalupe sunday ? how about a soocer bowl sunday with free drinks? how about a gay pride sunday? after all it's a way to get the sinners to church

They could sing that old song..."God Put a Rainbow in the Sky"....:highfive

[MissBrattified]

how about a "cinco de meyo" (sp?) sunday ?
how about a guadalupe sunday ? how about a soocer bowl sunday with free drinks? how about a gay pride sunday? after all it's a way to get the sinners to church

You really think its fair to compare homosexuality (which is a SIN) with riding motorcycles and wearing leather (neither of which are sins)?

Come on, Thad. :dunno

[Digging4Truth]

Most churches in America doesn't have evening services on Sunday.

This trend is growing in the Apostolic Churches

I wonder how many times the apostles had a sunday morning & a sunday evening service?

[Thad]

They could sing that old song..."God Put a Rainbow in the Sky"....:highfive


LOL!!!

Bratfield they said it was about reaching sinners - they are all sinners right? why should we discriminate against which sinners ?

[MissBrattified]

LOL!!!

Bratfield they said it was about reaching sinners - they are all sinners right? why should we discriminate against which sinners ?

Having a day that celebrates a sin, in order to reach sinners is not the same as having a day that celebrates a type of transportation, in order to reach sinners.

Nice try, though. :heeheehee

[Thad]

Having a day that celebrates a sin, in order to reach sinners is not the same as having a day that celebrates a type of transportation, in order to reach sinners.

Nice try, though. :heeheehee

many people feel that organized sports is a sin too

[MissBrattified]

many people feel that organized sports is a sin too

Well, the difference is that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, while it may be a bit difficult to find anything stated about what transportation guys (and girls) choose to get around town.

I can see it now: "Paul will be preaching Sunday on how WRONG it is to ride mustangs, especially in groups with other men riding mustangs. We must ALL ride DONKEYS or MULES, and NO animal skin clothing allowed!"

[Thad]

Well, the difference is that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, while it may be a bit difficult to find anything stated about what transportation guys (and girls) choose to get around town.

I can see it now: "Paul will be preaching Sunday on how WRONG it is to ride mustangs, especially in groups with other men riding mustangs. We must ALL ride DONKEYS or MULES, and NO animal skin clothing allowed!"



most bikers clubs are into going to night clubs and immoral behavior and wild appearance - remember Hells angels ????

[Steadfast]

We do sign an agreement with the UPCI that states that we will abide by the guidelines in the AOF. One of which is that there will be no TV advertising (at this time). IMHO when you break that agreement you are lying, pure and simple. Revelation 21:8.

I know certain ones who will say yahoooo....to those who lie, I for one do not.

When and if it is changed in the AOF - then I will say to that pastor, I am all for it, but till then, there is nothing in the Bible about advertising on TV, but there is something in the Bible about lying. Pure and simple.

I have no problem with the ad, I have a problem with the lie.

Okay, it's official... I like this guy.

[Steadfast]

This church recently had a biker sunday. I was a little suprised and inspired when I read this. Maybe the UPC has a chance after all.

http://www.fpcjackson.com/html/biker_sunday2006_10.html

:bliss

Trust me... with Floyd Odom preaching it they HEARD solid Apostolic preaching. :highfive

[South of I 90]

They could sing that old song..."God Put a Rainbow in the Sky"....:highfive

HA!

Or do the old quartet song "There's A Rainbow of Love"!!

[Steadfast]

Maybe, a chance for some common sense.

I would have never guessed that FPC would have a biker sunday. I think it is a great idea.

Having just preached there last week I can assure you that they have their stuff together... GREAT team there and personal friends of mine. Had incredible results they said pertaining to the Biker Sunday.

[Thad]

Having just preached there last week I can assure you that they have their stuff together... GREAT team there and personal friends of mine. Had incredible results they said pertaining to the Biker Sunday.


So YOU are for the biker sunday ???

[CountryRev]

Having just preached there last week I can assure you that they have their stuff together... GREAT team there and personal friends of mine. Had incredible results they said pertaining to the Biker Sunday.

AMEN! It will be an annual event. GREAT RESULTS!

[MissBrattified]

Thad, would you be objecting if this were Girl Scout day? All the Girl Scouts were invited? (and their parents....)

Admit it: You Just Don't Like Leather Pants. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!! :killinme :killinme

[Thad]

Thad, would you be objecting if this were Girl Scout day? All the Girl Scouts were invited? (and their parents....)

Admit it: You Just Don't Like Leather Pants. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!! :killinme :killinme


inviting girl scouts is one thing but would you have a special service centered around a club ?
you're going around my questions abbey

[MissBrattified]

inviting girl scouts is one thing but would you have a special service centered around a club ?
you're going around my questions abbey

As long as the club itself didn't represent anything sinful, I think it would be fine. I know of Christian bike clubs, so this just doesn't offend my sensibilities all that much.

I'm not sure how Biker's Sunday would work, unless it just means that you invite all the bikers and let them show off their bikes in the parking lot after church and have food for everyone after church???? I really see nothing wrong with that sort of thing.

[Thad]

As long as the club itself didn't represent anything sinful, I think it would be fine. I know of Christian bike clubs, so this just doesn't offend my sensibilities all that much.

I'm not sure how Biker's Sunday would work, unless it just means that you invite all the bikers and let them show off their bikes in the parking lot after church and have food for everyone after church???? I really see nothing wrong with that sort of thing.

the bikes are their gods. these people worship harley's more than the creator and we are suppose to pander to that ?

Idolatry is just as much as sin as anything else

[QueenEsther]

We do sign an agreement with the UPCI that states that we will abide by the guidelines in the AOF. One of which is that there will be no TV advertising (at this time). IMHO when you break that agreement you are lying, pure and simple. Revelation 21:8.

I know certain ones who will say yahoooo....to those who lie, I for one do not.

When and if it is changed in the AOF - then I will say to that pastor, I am all for it, but till then, there is nothing in the Bible about advertising on TV, but there is something in the Bible about lying. Pure and simple.

I have no problem with the ad, I have a problem with the lie.


I agree. If you can't keep the UPCI's rules then you should pul out of the organization.

[QueenEsther]

Most churches in America doesn't have evening services on Sunday.

This trend is growing in the Apostolic Churches

But for the ones that do - like mine. We only have 1 service every 5th sunday of the month and we just started doing this.

[QueenEsther]

how about a "cinco de meyo" (sp?) sunday ?
how about a guadalupe sunday ? how about a soocer bowl sunday with free drinks? how about a gay pride sunday? after all it's a way to get the sinners to church

As long as what you are promoting is not a sinful thing then why not? Being a biker doesn't automatically make you a sinner.

[SoCaliUPC]

You are saying something I really feel strong about as well.

My opinion is when we lose the Power we then need the gimmicks.

Disclaimer: Not saying that is the problem here. Just seeing a trend of this.

WOW!

:praying Lord, I pray that we never lose the power and have to rely on gimmicks!!

[Thad]

But for the ones that do - like mine. We only have 1 service every 5th sunday of the month and we just started doing this.

down the slippery slope you go

[QueenEsther]

You really think its fair to compare homosexuality (which is a SIN) with riding motorcycles and wearing leather (neither of which are sins)?

Come on, Thad. :dunno

Exactly.

[QueenEsther]

LOL!!!

Bratfield they said it was about reaching sinners - they are all sinners right? why should we discriminate against which sinners ?

So, why do anything at all to bring souls in? All sinners are equal. But to promote somthing is different. To wear leather and ride a motorcycle is not a sin - to be a homosexual is a sin.

[MissBrattified]

the bikes are their gods. these people worship harley's more than the creator and we are suppose to pander to that ?

Idolatry is just as much as sin as anything else

You're stretching, Thad. :tease

[QueenEsther]

the bikes are their gods. these people worship harley's more than the creator and we are suppose to pander to that ?

Idolatry is just as much as sin as anything else

Like Pentecostals who worship their "apparell"? :dunno

[QueenEsther]

down the slippery slope you go

DOn't think so. It is only 4 times a year and we have more than just a midweek service in the week.

[LaGirl]

* * * * NEWS FLASH * * * *
DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????


would this be a church in my district? i know of one church that does have a biker service.

[South of I 90]

We had a local chapter of Christian Bikers that attend our church a while back. They were given reserved seats and recognized as special guests.

However is was not a specialized "Biker" service.

Well.........it did seem the electric guitars were kind of in your face that Sunday........hmmmm

[Sarah]

Thad, just what do you mean by a "biker's Sunday service"? I think these clubs only come to town once a year. Is the church reaching out for them on this particular day? If that's the case, I think it's great. We should all be doing that if we have the opportunity. To me, that would be a pastor's dream! All those 'sinners' in one place........

[Sherri]

I heard of a church having a special service advertised for bikers and they told them that they would pray over every bike for God's hand of protection as they rode that season. Hundreds of bikers showed up for church and several were saved! The people from the church went out in the parking lot after church and anointed every bike with oil and prayed over it. No matter how rough the sinner is, trust me, he wants protection as he rides.

We would love to do one of these in the future! (Of course, we ride a Harley too!!) But, Thad, we DO NOT worship the Harley; it was just a gift from God that gives us a little relaxation.

[Praxeas]

down the slippery slope you go

Maybe the original Apostolics that met daily think we are on the slipperslope now for not having daily meetings

[Thad]

boy o boy don't talk about the precious Harley Or else ! ! !

expect a slow painful death

[rgcraig]

Thad,

Do you think the Harley's are sinful?

[Arphaxad]

Maybe the original Apostolics that met daily think we are on the slipperslope now for not having daily meetings

or selling all our possesions and goods, and dividing them among all,as anyone has need.

[Thad]

Thad,

Do you think the Harley's are sinful?


don't know if it would send you to the BBQ pit but the appearance is rather worldly. wouldn't want my pastor into that scene

[Annie]

I will say this about Harleys...

My spouse is a motorcycle lover. He LOVES Harleys, and he has owned several bikes in our years together. He does concede that there is a certain 'feeling' that comes over you when you straddle that Hawg. It gives you a feeling of power, he says...He has never had a Harley, but he is looking and has been for a year now. I am certain that he is hesitant because he wants to make sure it doesn't become a stumblingblock spiritually. It doesn't have to- if he keeps his flesh dead daily. But, if it's more than he feels he can handle, then he won't buy one.

Just because this is HIS battle, doesn't mean it's EVERYONE'S battle..*smile*

[MissBrattified]

don't know if it would send you to the BBQ pit but the appearance is rather worldly. wouldn't want my pastor into that scene

LOL!!!! :killinme

Thadeous, I promised my husband that he could have a motorcycle once our kids are grown! I don't see how they're "worldly" at all!

[rgcraig]

I will say this about Harleys...

My spouse is a motorcycle lover. He LOVES Harleys, and he has owned several bikes in our years together. He does concede that there is a certain 'feeling' that comes over you when you straddle that Hawg. It gives you a feeling of power, he says...He has never had a Harley, but he is looking and has been for a year now. I am certain that he is hesitant because he wants to make sure it doesn't become a stumblingblock spiritually. It doesn't have to- if he keeps his flesh dead daily. But, if it's more than he feels he can handle, then he won't buy one.

Just because this is HIS battle, doesn't mean it's EVERYONE'S battle..*smile*

Exactly!

It could be an antique car, a home, a Corvette that could become someone's stumbling block.

Thad you are thinking like an old man - - it's not just the Hell's Angels out there riding Harley's anymore.

[Thad]

LOL!!!! :killinme

Thadeous, I promised my husband that he could have a motorcycle once our kids are grown! I don't see how they're "worldly" at all!


read what Annie's husband said- take it from someone who has been there and is thinking very cautiously about it.

somethings may not be a sin but they don't look so good especially for the ministry. personally I think they look wild. I think middle aged people look ridiculous running around on a harley. it's a mid age crisis thing.
I saw a lady yesterday, she must have been 62 . she strolls up speeding in her little red sports car with the top down , long bleached blond hair strutting her stuff- did she know how ridiculous she looked ???

[Arphaxad]

LOL!!!! :killinme

Thadeous, I promised my husband that he could have a motorcycle once our kids are grown! I don't see how they're "worldly" at all!

Harley's aren't worldly, just loud and ugly:tease

["GL"]

GREAT!
The ONLY way we are going to find out if this stuff works is for some to just do it!:rolleyes2

["GL"]

We do sign an agreement with the UPCI that states that we will abide by the guidelines in the AOF. One of which is that there will be no TV advertising (at this time). IMHO when you break that agreement you are lying, pure and simple. Revelation 21:8.

I know certain ones who will say yahoooo....to those who lie, I for one do not.

When and if it is changed in the AOF - then I will say to that pastor, I am all for it, but till then, there is nothing in the Bible about advertising on TV, but there is something in the Bible about lying. Pure and simple.

I have no problem with the ad, I have a problem with the lie.
AMEN! :preach

[stmatthew]

When integrity leaves the Pastor, integrity leaves the church

[rgcraig]

When integrity leaves the Pastor, integrity leaves the church

Would they be riding away on a Harley?

[stmatthew]

Would they be riding away on a Harley?

Its not about a harley, its about a good honest name. This issue is one reason I have such a bad taste in my mouth with UPC churches in the TN area. If you don't have enough integrity and honestly to walk within the guidelines of the Org you signed on with, then all the great preaching you may do means very little in real life.

[Sherri]

Thad, you are SO out of touch with the whole Harley scene. There are definitely the wild guys with the whole bad side, but nowadays the majority of Harley riders are people my age who can finally afford things like this!! There are a whole lot of us who ride dressed like normal people and just like to go somewhere for a day to eat or spend the night and come back. It's so relaxing and is actually something that Eddie and I can enjoy together.

It's no different than ministers who play golf. The majority of people on the golf course are drinking and betting on their games. That sure doesn't stop preachers from playing because of the appearance of evil. Eddie doesn't play golf, so thank goodness, he has something to do that's relaxing!!

[Steadfast]

So YOU are for the biker sunday ???

Rather than say I'm 'for' it I'd rather say I'm not against it... just never had one. And, coincidentally, I don't equate it with Superbowl Sunday or Nascar Sunday: Riding a bike is not a sport and that makes a 'Biker Sunday' no different than things like 'Community Appreciation Sunday' where we honor policemen and public servants... just another way to get them close enough to preach to them.

We don't do organized sports... but many do have motorcycles.

[berkeley]

good gawwd! owning a Harley now means that you are worldly??? Let's also preach against owning a BMW or a Mercedes Benz... if you don't own one, you don't have to be worried about being identified with the rich white pretentious snob scene!!

[berkeley]

Rather than say I'm 'for' it I'd rather say I'm not against it... just never had one. And, coincidentally, I don't equate it with Superbowl Sunday or Nascar Sunday: Riding a bike is not a sport and that makes a 'Biker Sunday' no different than things like 'Community Appreciation Sunday' where we honor policemen and public servants... just another way to get them close enough to preach to them.

We don't do organized sports... but many do have motorcycles.nice balance :: thumbs up ::

[Steadfast]

Its not about a harley, its about a good honest name. This issue is one reason I have such a bad taste in my mouth with UPC churches in the TN area. If you don't have enough integrity and honestly to walk within the guidelines of the Org you signed on with, then all the great preaching you may do means very little in real life.

Wow... FANTASTIC post.

:highfive

[Sherri]

Its not about a harley, its about a good honest name. This issue is one reason I have such a bad taste in my mouth with UPC churches in the TN area. If you don't have enough integrity and honestly to walk within the guidelines of the Org you signed on with, then all the great preaching you may do means very little in real life.

Good post. I don't think it's wrong to do the Harley night. But if you say you won't advertise on TV and then you do, then you are in rebellion. I don't see how people can get around this stuff.

[ChTatum]

the bikes are their gods. these people worship harley's more than the creator and we are suppose to pander to that ?

Idolatry is just as much as sin as anything else

This post is asinine. I find many in OP churches worshipping during the music, is the music their God?

BTW, I ride a goldwing.

[berkeley]

This post is asinine.

I find many in OP churches worshipping the music, but I will not broadbrush and call all who do idolaters.thas straight!

[Trouvere]

* * * * NEWS FLASH * * * *
DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????


ahem....as we all know several UPC preachers have used their local information cable channels for videos of church services.What is the difference.I can name names.

[Thad]

Fweeeeewwwweeee


Testy testy ! ! ! !

[Neck]

It's ok for a UPC church to advertise on TV.

It's not ok for UPC minister to advertise on TV.

That's my interpretation of the 2007 UPC version of the "manifesto"!! :tiphat

It was still done using a UPCI pastor's voice over. The same commercial was used for Radio.

Either way you look at it.

They did it.

And who cares....

What is the difference from the radio and TV or a billboard or Newspaper.

The newspaper has just as much garbage in it as anything else...

[Neck]

I attend a church that runs over 600 steady. Our church is growing and has seen a 25% increase over last year. We all look "HOLY" and we ARE having Revival!

People who come and find the true delivering power of God DO change and DO lose their desire to look and be like the world.

To say that a church where all the people look the same needs revival is a bit over the top and untrue.

Our church has been in revival for months and we all look the same!!! A testament that sinners and backsliders do find God in revival and do conform as a result of that change.

The problem with your statement, We all look "HOLY" and we ARE having Revival! The word "look" is the problem.

Take a poll at your church.

How many of your 600 were there a yar ago?

2 years ago?

3 Years ago?

I can tell you your church most likely has a 30-40 turn over every 2-3 years.

I attended a UPCI church of of 1200-1500.

Problem being every 5 years the church remained 1300 or so and 500 of the folks were new?

They baptized some 30 thousand folks from 1971 to present and now run less than 1000.

[South of I 90]

Harleys and Hammonds.............it's all idol worship!! :couch

[Thad]

Harleys and Hammonds.............it's all idol worship!! :couch


wrrrrrong! hammonds give glory

[Whole Hearted]

I attend a church that runs over 600 steady. Our church is growing and has seen a 25% increase over last year. We all look "HOLY" and we ARE having Revival!

People who come and find the true delivering power of God DO change and DO lose their desire to look and be like the world.

To say that a church where all the people look the same needs revival is a bit over the top and untrue.

Our church has been in revival for months and we all look the same!!! A testament that sinners and backsliders do find God in revival and do conform as a result of that change.

:bliss AMEN

[Whole Hearted]

wrrrrrong! hammonds give glory

AMEN

[South of I 90]

wrrrrrong! hammonds give glory


You're half right!!

I've seen some pretty pompous people on Hammonds and Harleys........just soaking in the glory!!! :tease

[QueenEsther]

Good post. I don't think it's wrong to do the Harley night. But if you say you won't advertise on TV and then you do, then you are in rebellion. I don't see how people can get around this stuff.

Right! I agree.

[QueenEsther]

It was still done using a UPCI pastor's voice over. The same commercial was used for Radio.

Either way you look at it.

They did it.

And who cares....

What is the difference from the radio and TV or a billboard or Newspaper.

The newspaper has just as much garbage in it as anything else...

There isn't but it is their word when they sign that paper.

[QueenEsther]

wrrrrrong! hammonds give glory

But they can be used to worship the devil also.

[Sherri]

Hammonds are no more holy than Harleys. They can either one be used for God or for evil. It all depends on what your passion is.

[South of I 90]

Maybe at the next "Biker Sensitive Service" a man can ride his Harley on the stage; jump off the Harley and jump on the Hammond and "go to town".

Now that's what I'm talking about!!

[SoCaliUPC]

There was a Hammond being played throughout Madonna's last concert.

[South of I 90]

There was a Hammond being played throughout Madonna's last concert.

How coincidental...........she also got on crucifix during that concert!

[stmatthew]

Maybe at the next "Biker Sensitive Service" a man can ride his Harley on the stage; jump off the Harley and jump on the Hammond and "go to town".

Now that's what I'm talking about!!

I believe Amie Semple McPherson did this in her church in CA

[Truthseeker]

* * * * NEWS FLASH * * * *
DID you hear that a UPC Pastor advertised a Special "Bikers Sunday Service" this past sunday and held a special Service for bikers ????????


I hear a lot of folks were quite upset about it too !!!!


what's your take on this ????

Unbelievable. Saints are doing all kinds of mess. watching american idol and so on....

[whollyHis]

Unbelievable. Saints are doing all kinds of mess. watching american idol and so on....


Is this statement an oxymoron?? :killinme

[Truthseeker]

Thirty or forty years ago you walked into an Apostolic church and everyone in the pews looked the same...Clones of each other, if you will...

I am so thankful for the day and time that we live in. Our children have changed the 'face' of Apostolicism. Now, when you walk into an Apostolic church- you see diversity, and you really cannot tell, outwardly, who is saint, and who is sinner. THANK GOD.

Nowadays, if you walk into a church where all look 'the part'- then you have undoubtably walked into a church that needs a revival of souls!!!!

JMHO

Now I've heard it all. :dunno

[bowmanphil]

I think it is great. Jesus has come to call sinners not the rightous to repentance. Plus we are to be all things to all men.

[Dordrecht]

Unbelievable. Saints are doing all kinds of mess. watching american idol and so on....

What the heck is wrong with holding a service for motorcyclists?
You only want services for women with long skirts and poofs on their heads?
Or for little boys under 10 years old dressed like undertakers?

[tv1a]

Biker Sundays aren't an effective outreach tool. Most bikers who take part already have a home church. If you get lucky, one or two might like your church and attend for a while. The bikers are great men and women. Love Jesus more than a lot of pew huggers. The church can learn a lot from the bikers.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Biker Sundays aren't an effective outreach tool. Most bikers who take part already have a home church. If you get lucky, one or two might like your church and attend for a while. The bikers are great men and women. Love Jesus more than a lot of pew huggers. The church can learn a lot from the bikers.

Like what? :heeheehee

[RandyWayne]

Like what? :heeheehee

Well, how to take apart, clean up, and put back together a carburetor on a Harley.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well, how to take apart, clean up, and put back together a carburetor on a Harley.

They're fuel injected now. :nod

[AreYouReady?]

Maybe they can teach me how not to wipe out on a large bike?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Maybe they can teach me how not to wipe out on a large bike?

Suggest you find other means of transportation? :heeheehee

[Michael Phelps]

Like what? :heeheehee

The benefits of a Stage 1 upgrade to a factory Soft-tail 103.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The benefits of a Stage 1 upgrade to a factory Soft-tail 103.

Too bad Softail isn't soft, sort of like riding a cider block down the road on hard rubber tires. :heeheehee

[Dordrecht]

Too bad Softail isn't soft, sort of like riding a cider block down the road on hard rubber tires. :heeheehee

Maybe you should stick to evangelizing and
stay away from talking motorcycling.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Maybe you should stick to evangelizing and
stay away from talking motorcycling.

Yeah I guess your right.

How long you been riding motorcycles?

How long you been riding Harley Davidson?

If applicable, how long have you been working on them? ;)

[Dordrecht]

Yeah I guess your right.

How long you been riding motorcycles?

Since 1963.

How long you been riding Harley Davidson?

Owned three of them and several other brands.

If applicable, how long have you been working on them? ;)

Since 1965, off and on.

[Michael Phelps]

Too bad Softail isn't soft, sort of like riding a cider block down the road on hard rubber tires. :heeheehee

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but my Softail Slim is really a smooth ride. I'm debating the upgrade, but really, since I rarely ride on the highway, or on longer rides, the cooling upgrade isn't all that necessary....but, I do think I'll like the extra rumble in the pipes, lol! May just look at some Kerker slip ons.......

[Evang.Benincasa]

Since 1963.

You got me beat, I was riding since 1970.


Owned three of them and several other brands.

My first Harley Davidson was a 1961 XLCH, then bought a basket case 1948 Panhead, restored it, and sold it for a 1953 Panhead basket, and a 1966 first year shovel, didn't restore either one. Left both of them as bob jobs, you ride, so I need not explain. I then bought a Indian Chief, found out that they were more suited for boat anchors, then to ride, and restored it and sold it. I obviously didn't learn my lesson and acquired a Indian Scout, rode it around sold that, when a friend of mine made me an offer, and took it and walked home from the bar. I owned a few more antiques, a really nice 1928 Harley Davidson JD that I regretted selling. My main bike which I rode all over the country was an 1982 FXRS. I owned a 1984 (first year FXST) didn't like the ride or the handling, and while they might look classic, I didn't desire to ride anything for long distances that would send a zap through my tail bone to the top of my cranium. Now, rigids are out of the question, as well as straight pipes. There was a time that straight pipes were my thing, in High School I thought they were great, when my school councilors warned to ban me from bringing the bike to school. As I got older straight pipes bothered me, and now we are no longer partners. Never thought that would ever happen. :(

Harley Davidson wasn't my only choice of machine, but I owned BMW, Moto Guzzi, I regretted selling a Eldorado 850. I owned Suzuki GS 1000, to GSXR 750 Sling Shot, and 1100. My garage was pretty crammed with bikes, more of those that I owned personally then those owned by my customers.


Since 1965, off and on.

Started when I was 13 sweeping the floor at the local bike shop, and working on my friends bikes in a two car garage converted to a shop, then ended up owning my own motorcycle shops. To this day I will still work on bikes, but only for those who NEED it, as I do for brothers and sisters who need their car's repaired, lawn mowers, tractors, and an occasional wheel barrow.

My comment on the Softail was due to my belief that they aren't the most comfortable rides, and are close to the old AMEN SAVIOR frames (remember the ones that had that plunger spring which the axle went through in the end of its hardtail?) which is only my own personal opinion.

Please forgive me for my view of the FXST model, also please accept my apologies if you own one. Also, please accept my apologies if you ride an Indian Chief, I never personally liked them. If you own one or owned one I apologies as well.

Safe riding in Jesus name! :highfive

[Evang.Benincasa]

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but my Softail Slim is really a smooth ride. I'm debating the upgrade, but really, since I rarely ride on the highway, or on longer rides, the cooling upgrade isn't all that necessary....but, I do think I'll like the extra rumble in the pipes, lol! May just look at some Kerker slip ons.......

Sorry, for the dis on the FXST, I can see you understand.

Kerker has come a long way, and make for a beautiful set up, and nice rumble I can live with. :highfive

[Michael Phelps]

Sorry, for the dis on the FXST, I can see you understand.

Kerker has come a long way, and make for a beautiful set up, and nice rumble I can live with. :highfive

No apology necessary! I enjoyed reading your resume on the last post, you are a definitely a man who knows infinitely more about the inner workings of the machine than I, and I am looking to learn all I can.

[Evang.Benincasa]

No apology necessary! I enjoyed reading your resume on the last post, you are a definitely a man who knows infinitely more about the inner workings of the machine than I, and I am looking to learn all I can.

Thank you. ;)

[Dordrecht]

You got me beat, I was riding since 1970.



My first Harley Davidson was a 1961 XLCH, then bought a basket case 1948 Panhead, restored it, and sold it for a 1953 Panhead basket, and a 1966 first year shovel, didn't restore either one. Left both of them as bob jobs, you ride, so I need not explain. I then bought a Indian Chief, found out that they were more suited for boat anchors, then to ride, and restored it and sold it. I obviously didn't learn my lesson and acquired a Indian Scout, rode it around sold that, when a friend of mine made me an offer, and took it and walked home from the bar. I owned a few more antiques, a really nice 1928 Harley Davidson JD that I regretted selling. My main bike which I rode all over the country was an 1982 FXRS. I owned a 1984 (first year FXST) didn't like the ride or the handling, and while they might look classic, I didn't desire to ride anything for long distances that would send a zap through my tail bone to the top of my cranium. Now, rigids are out of the question, as well as straight pipes. There was a time that straight pipes were my thing, in High School I thought they were great, when my school councilors warned to ban me from bringing the bike to school. As I got older straight pipes bothered me, and now we are no longer partners. Never thought that would ever happen. :(

Harley Davidson wasn't my only choice of machine, but I owned BMW, Moto Guzzi, I regretted selling a Eldorado 850. I owned Suzuki GS 1000, to GSXR 750 Sling Shot, and 1100. My garage was pretty crammed with bikes, more of those that I owned personally then those owned by my customers.



Started when I was 13 sweeping the floor at the local bike shop, and working on my friends bikes in a two car garage converted to a shop, then ended up owning my own motorcycle shops. To this day I will still work on bikes, but only for those who NEED it, as I do for brothers and sisters who need their car's repaired, lawn mowers, tractors, and an occasional wheel barrow.

My comment on the Softail was due to my belief that they aren't the most comfortable rides, and are close to the old AMEN SAVIOR frames (remember the ones that had that plunger spring which the axle went through in the end of its hardtail?) which is only my own personal opinion.

Please forgive me for my view of the FXST model, also please accept my apologies if you own one. Also, please accept my apologies if you ride an Indian Chief, I never personally liked them. If you own one or owned one I apologies as well.

Safe riding in Jesus name! :highfive

Good show.

I owned an Indian Power Plus at one time, with sidecar.
Also a BMW with sidecar, many Triumphs......BSA...Ariel...AJS....DKW...etc.it's a long list. Motorbiking is an addiction.
Right now: 2010 Honda CBF1000, 1974 Triumph Bonneville, 2008 Triumph Bonneville.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Good show.

I owned an Indian Power Plus at one time, with sidecar.
Also a BMW with sidecar, many Triumphs......BSA...Ariel...AJS....DKW...etc.it's a long list. Motorbiking is an addiction.
Right now: 2010 Honda CBF1000, 1974 Triumph Bonneville, 2008 Triumph Bonneville.

I had quite a few BMWs 1970 R75, 1973 R90S, with sunburst paint job.

I had a BMW 69S with Steib sidecar (white) my service writer in my shop use to call me the Bad Humor man (obvious play on Good Humor Ice Cream).

British bikes weren't my favorite (unless it was a Greeves, I liked Greeves dirt bikes :happydance) my issue on British machines were that they were of the devil. Because after all they used Lucas Electrics, and everyone knows that Lucas was the Prince of Darkness, and as the motto went, "Lucas, prince of darkness, thou shalt NOT ride at night!"

Good riding, the 2010 CBF 1000 is a really nice machine.

[Dordrecht]

My CBF, 1000CC, with ABS:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5349/7206233524_12000abbbf.jpg

[Evang.Benincasa]

My CBF, 1000CC, with ABS:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5349/7206233524_12000abbbf.jpg

Did you want the tree in the picture?

Nice bike. :nod

[Dordrecht]

Did you want the tree in the picture?

Nice bike. :nod

Yes, I wanted the tree in there, lol.
Here's my 1974 Triumph Bonneville:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2379/2227557892_787bd6e46a.jpg

[Dordrecht]

This looks better, without a tree, lol:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5227/5656597942_dc62222073.jpg


My other Triumph:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2489/3723029594_72d21333dd.jpg

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yes, I wanted the tree in there, lol.
Here's my 1974 Triumph Bonneville:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2379/2227557892_787bd6e46a.jpg

Looks clean.

I had a Kawasaki W650 and a couple of old pre-unit BSAs and Triumphs.
Wanted to restore them but my want never met a need, traded, cannibalized, and sold them.

The Kawasaki was a 1965 and was nearly bullet proof. I traded it for a 1970 TS 250 Savage.

Also had a Silver Jubilee rode it once, and sold it to a guy who never rode a motorcycle in his life. I taught him how to ride on the Jubilee I sold him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

This looks better, without a tree, lol:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5227/5656597942_dc62222073.jpg

Nicer without the wood in the way. :)




My other Triumph:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2489/3723029594_72d21333dd.jpg

The Triumph looks really nice. :nod