Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 491728)

Come on, Rico, I'm not accusing Keith of anything.

I just wonder how Christians can trust in the law and a Glock.

You really like to throw that "Prove it" out there don't ya. :D

Here it is in RED letter.

Matt 5:39-45

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

AND...

1 Thess 5:15

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
KJV

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 491734)

Being hit in the face is not the same as some whacko shooting me, Old Paths.

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 491734)

The following quote is from another thread where the topic of personal protection came up. Rather than continue the discussion there, I thought it would be better to start a separate thread on personal protection. Where do you stand on having firearms for personal protection? If you don't believe in owning guns, how far should we as Christians go in protecting our families from physical harm?




Being hit in the face is not the same as some whacko shooting me, Old Paths. Verse 40 has nothing to do with what we are talking about because it is not talking about a criminal action. It deals with a civil action. Lastly, taking measures to protect one's family is good and makes perfect sense.

I take it this means you have disconnected the air bags in your car, don't use your seatbelts, keep your windows and doors unlocked at all times, don't have an alarm system in your house, and have disconnected the smoke detectors in your house, correct? These are all things in place to protect your life, but you don't need them because you have the faith it takes, right? God is going to protect you from dying in a car accident, someone breaking into your home and stealing everything you own, and your house will never catch fire and take your life because God is never going to allow anything to ever hurt you? God couldn't stop one of His own disciples from cutting off someone's ear right in His presence, but He's going to step in and stop some whacko intent on killing someone who's a Christian because they have some scriptures to throw at him while being attacked. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 491734)

The following quote is from another thread where the topic of personal protection came up. Rather than continue the discussion there, I thought it would be better to start a separate thread on personal protection. Where do you stand on having firearms for personal protection? If you don't believe in owning guns, how far should we as Christians go in protecting our families from physical harm?

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 491734)

These are all things in place to protect your life, but you don't need them because you have the faith it takes, right? God is going to protect you from dying in a car accident, someone breaking into your home and stealing everything you own, and your house will never catch fire and take your life because God is never going to allow anything to ever hurt you? God couldn't stop one of His own disciples from cutting off someone's ear right in His presence, but He's going to step in and stop some whacko intent on killing someone who's a Christian because they have some scriptures to throw at him while being attacked. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 491944)

No health insurance and no job. No need for money if God will supply all your needs, right?

Originally Posted by Ron (Post 491950)

Rico, I think you are taking OP out of context.
It is one thing to trust the Gun, it is quite another to trust in God.

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?


I think this is what OP is saying.
God can provide a hedge of protection.

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 491952)

Rico,


Last year I went to camp meeting, usually when I travel I always take a firearm. Well, on a Thursday night I had my Glock laying on my bed, and I fell asleep.

I awoke around 2AM to a bunch of females yelling, which were entering their hotel room upstairs. I thought nothing of it, but looked to my side and my Glock was no longer there.

I jumped out of my bed and threw off the covers and my Glock wasn't found anywhere. I panicked and looked a the door, I thought to myself somebody must of came into my hotel room while I was sleeping and stole it.

I then looked across the room to the table and saw my travel bag. I walked to the bag, opened it and my Glock was at the very bottom. I then heard God say "I'll protect you."

I felt convicted, unloaded my Glock, apologized to God and went back to sleep. Boy was I scared!

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 491952)

Rico,


Last year I went to camp meeting, usually when I travel I always take a firearm. Well, on a Thursday night I had my Glock laying on my bed, and I fell asleep.

I awoke around 2AM to a bunch of females yelling, which were entering their hotel room upstairs. I thought nothing of it, but looked to my side and my Glock was no longer there.

I jumped out of my bed and threw off the covers and my Glock wasn't found anywhere. I panicked and looked a the door, I thought to myself somebody must of came into my hotel room while I was sleeping and stole it.

I then looked across the room to the table and saw my travel bag. I walked to the bag, opened it and my Glock was at the very bottom. I then heard God say "I'll protect you."

I felt convicted, unloaded my Glock, apologized to God and went back to sleep. Boy was I scared!

Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 492022)

murder is one thing...self defense is something else entirely.I mean what kind of person could just sit there while his home is burglarized and his family assaulted?Im sorry...I love everybody and I would feel bad that I had to do it....but I would pull the trigger in a heartbeat. Cloaks and stuff is STUFF but I wouldnt sit by and say yeah u want my wife fine and my daughter is upstairs. just doesnt work that way when it comes to people.Dunno...call me vicious and without faith if you want.

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 492029)

Isn't it odd that they guy with the avatar of David killing Goliath, is complaining that people shouldn’t protect themselves because God will?

David should have just put the sling away and walked down there and said "Go ahead, Goliath, take your best shot God will protect me." And then waited for God to strike Goliath dead.

Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 492033)

Sometimes u have to take a life to save a life. Sure...I realize we arent in the OT anymore and that many have given their lives for the Gospel and trust me I dont dis-respect that. But im not just going to lay down and die....if God wishes to intervene great! But He has entrusted us with caring and protecting our families.Ok im done harping...I have guns I need to go polish lol.

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace (Post 492024)

WOW! That's an awesome Testimony and I completely believe what you're saying! God is faithful ALWAYS!

And there's no question in my mind that God will protect me and my family, but by the same token somebody gave me a .357 and I believed it was a blessing from the Lord and I still do. I keep it loaded, because God hasn't moved it... He hasn't unloaded it... And He hasn't asked me to unload it. If He does, I will, but until then I'll keep it loaded and ready to unload on anybody who decides to enter my home intent on harming my family.

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 492029)

Isn't it odd that they guy with the avatar of David killing Goliath, is complaining that people shouldn’t protect themselves because God will?

David should have just put the sling away and walked down there and said "Go ahead, Goliath, take your best shot God will protect me." And then waited for God to strike Goliath dead.

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 492042)

Is it evil to keep harm from coming to someone that is defenseless, helpless, or vuranable? In so doing I am not rendering evil for evil, I'm doing good against evil.


Mess with me and I'll pray the Lord protects me. Mess with my family and you better pray the Lord protects you.

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 492044)

Odd?

Come on into the New Covenant, Sir.

If David would have been in the New Testament, had the Holy Ghost and known the Name of Jesus, he would not have needed the sling.


:D


Matt 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJV

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 492052)

I didn't read that part where He said, "Become a pacifist." I would pray that the Lord would be with me and help the bullet fly as true as the stone from David's sling. Keith already said it's one thing to be attacked for the sake of the Gospel it another thing to defend oneself and ones family from a lunatic.

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 492056)

Hmmmmmmmmm


Don't you believe that Jesus, our Example in all things, was a "pacifist"?

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 492057)

Nope.

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 492052)

I didn't read that part where He said, "Become a pacifist." I would pray that the Lord would be with me and help the bullet fly as true as the stone from David's sling. Keith already said it's one thing to be attacked for the sake of the Gospel it another thing to defend oneself and ones family from a lunatic.

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 491992)

I thought this to be a interesting scripture regarding personal safety and arming oneself.

Luke 22:36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Anyone care to guess what a sword was used for?

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 492051)

WOW!

What a wonderful Christ like attitude.

TIC


Matt 5:39-46

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
KJV

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 492061)

AB SO LUTE LY AMAZING!

The Prince of Peace is not a "pacifist".

WOW!

The things some people believe.

Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 492062)

Had a friend from Chicago who used to say that thou shalt not kill included ANY killing.I was like suuure and in the next breath they are conquering and wiping out the inhabitants of Canaan.'God? U want us to do what to who?' 'But u just said.....oh never mind'shrugs'

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 492061)

AB SO LUTE LY AMAZING!

The Prince of Peace is not a "pacifist".

WOW!

The things some people believe.

Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 492033)

Sometimes u have to take a life to save a life. Sure...I realize we arent in the OT anymore and that many have given their lives for the Gospel and trust me I dont dis-respect that. But im not just going to lay down and die....if God wishes to intervene great! But He has entrusted us with caring and protecting our families.Ok im done harping...I have guns I need to go polish lol.

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 492056)

Hmmmmmmmmm


Don't you believe that Jesus, our Example in all things, was a "pacifist"?

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 492063)

Thank-you! :thumbsup

Has anyone read this post from Keith on the other thread? He never received a response to it.

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 492068)

Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name.


Psalm 89:19
Once you spoke in a vision, to your faithful people you said: "I have bestowed strength on a warrior; I have exalted a young man from among the people.

Isaiah 13:3
I have commanded my holy ones; I have summoned my warriors to carry out my wrath— those who rejoice in my triumph.

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 492065)

Old Paths,

Amazing, isn't it!

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 492073)

Sorry I missed the post.

That was before Calvary.


PS

I'm happy that God intervened for you all and there was no bloodshed.

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 492071)

Was he a "pacifist" when he drove the money changers out of the temple?