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bkstokes 06-17-2008 01:15 PM
Talking with the Papist
 
I don't know about ya'll but I seem to witness to a lot of papists (catholics). And I am so very tired of them twisting the words of Jesus about the "rock". I mean it doesn't matter if you tell them -- Jesus is the chief cornerstone, Jesus is the eternal rock (IS 26). They always say -- no, no, Jesus was speaking in aramaic. Does anybody else feel me on this one? :boxing

Praxeas 06-17-2008 03:15 PM
Re: Talking with the Roman Catholics
 
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Originally Posted by bkstokes (Post 499548)
I don't know about ya'll but I seem to witness to a lot of papists (catholics). And I am so very tired of them twisting the words of Jesus about the "rock". I mean it doesn't matter if you tell them -- Jesus is the chief cornerstone, Jesus is the eternal rock (IS 26). They always say -- no, no, Jesus was speaking in aramaic. Does anybody else feel me on this one? :boxing
Im changing the title. Please don't call them papist as this is a pejorative.

bkstokes 06-17-2008 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 499848)
Im changing the title. Please don't call them papist as this is a pejorative.
Not trying to argue, but I didn't mean it as an insult. I have found that die hard catholics glory in this term.

Praxeas 06-17-2008 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bkstokes (Post 500121)
Not trying to argue, but I didn't mean it as an insult. I have found that die hard catholics glory in this term.
It's not personal. Honestly I have found a lot of catholics that find it a pejorative. I'd just rather it not be used just incase

Joelel 06-20-2008 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bkstokes (Post 499548)
I don't know about ya'll but I seem to witness to a lot of papists (catholics). And I am so very tired of them twisting the words of Jesus about the "rock". I mean it doesn't matter if you tell them -- Jesus is the chief cornerstone, Jesus is the eternal rock (IS 26). They always say -- no, no, Jesus was speaking in aramaic. Does anybody else feel me on this one? :boxing
It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks,that includes everyone,no matter what faith.Once lies are written in a persons heart,it's hard to get the lie out.

bkstokes 06-20-2008 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 503337)
It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks,that includes everyone,no matter what faith.Once lies are written in a persons heart,it's hard to get the lie out.
I concur -- That is why I try to guard what my kids are taught.

gloryseeker 06-20-2008 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 503337)
It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks,that includes everyone,no matter what faith.Once lies are written in a persons heart,it's hard to get the lie out.
Unfortunately, the truth of this statement is in Pentecostal circles also. My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge AND your traditions make the Word of God of no effect.

Many born again, spirit filled believers live in defeat because what has been written on their heart is man's doctrine instead of God's doctrine.

SavedLou 06-20-2008 04:09 PM
Re: Talking with the Papist
 
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Originally Posted by bkstokes (Post 499548)
I don't know about ya'll but I seem to witness to a lot of papists (catholics). And I am so very tired of them twisting the words of Jesus about the "rock". I mean it doesn't matter if you tell them -- Jesus is the chief cornerstone, Jesus is the eternal rock (IS 26). They always say -- no, no, Jesus was speaking in aramaic. Does anybody else feel me on this one? :boxing
I've always had them tell me that Peter was the 1st pope. And if they are taught he was the 1st pope and that he was to build a church then you have their (twisted) theology on why they think the Catholic church is "the" church. The good Lord has always placed Catholics in my path for some reason...every job I've ever had I seem to get close to someone and they're Catholic. You really have to be a little sneaky in witnessing b/c they are usually dead set against hearing anything that contradicts their faith.

bkstokes 06-20-2008 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SavedLou (Post 503942)
I've always had them tell me that Peter was the 1st pope. And if they are taught he was the 1st pope and that he was to build a church then you have their (twisted) theology on why they think the Catholic church is "the" church. The good Lord has always placed Catholics in my path for some reason...every job I've ever had I seem to get close to someone and they're Catholic. You really have to be a little sneaky in witnessing b/c they are usually dead set against hearing anything that contradicts their faith.
My father-in-law is from Spain. He is a traditional catholic. In Spain, this means that he rarely goes to church and he is a practical agnostic. He always talks against the Catholic chruch. For example, the day that I was getting married to his daughter he told me -- "You know the church preaches against contraceptives, well few people know this but they are also one of the main stock holders in one of the largest condom companies in Europe."

However, he still affirms himself a catholic. One of the reasons is because of what I expressed earlier (1st pope = Peter).

Sister Alvear 06-20-2008 04:30 PM
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Brazil is a very Catholic country...in many interior cities it is dangerous to be a believer.

Joelel 06-20-2008 08:09 PM
Re: Talking with the Papist
 
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Originally Posted by gloryseeker (Post 503392)
Unfortunately, the truth of this statement is in Pentecostal circles also. My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge AND your traditions make the Word of God of no effect.

Many born again, spirit filled believers live in defeat because what has been written on their heart is man's doctrine instead of God's doctrine.
You know,a person who believes lies are weak but are still brothers.My question is,how many lies can a person believe before they get real weak and lost ? Not only that we are not to cast stumbling block before them.I tell people the truth but never tell them they will be lost if they don't believe truth,God will judge them.

Rom.14
[1] Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
[3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
[4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
[7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
[8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9] For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10] But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12] So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

gloryseeker 06-21-2008 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 504317)
[B]You know,a person who believes lies are weak but are still brothers.
I would absolutely believe that as I doubt that there is anyone who has <b>full</b> knowledge of all things, therefore we all have areas of tradition or untruths that we have held to. This is why God spoke through the Prophet Hosea that <b>His</b> children are destroyed because of a lack of knowledge.

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My question is,how many lies can a person believe before they get real weak and lost ?
That is a good question and one that we should all consider and should ignite a desire to continually seek the Lord and study His Word.


[quote]I tell people the truth but never tell them they will be lost if they don't believe truth,God will judge them.[/quote[

While I don't disagree with your statement, as I do the same, but what we tell people is the truth based upon what our belief of the truth is. If we talked very long we would find out that even though we both seek truth, we have a different definition of truth in areas. Get a third person in the conversation and we will find three versions of what is believed to be true.


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