Falsely accused by CARM
 

I don't post on carm anymore...the reason is I went there to post and my posts were being deleted and or moderated. I emailed CARM and Diane gave me this

The reason is obvious, read our rules. The rules were broken, if and when we are permitted to return posters violating the rules, you will be informed. We will not tolerate posters lying about the ministry on our forums. This is our home, use some respect. Matt will answer emails of questions, not false accusations on public forums.

Not once has anyone there told me what I did that was wrong. They just started deleting posts...posts mind you that were in defense of Oneness and refuting their arguments there. They still have not told me what I did, or given me an example or a warning. What rule did I violate? I was not told. I asked but was not told.. WHo did I lie about? What false accusation? She apparently can't tell me but just assumed I was guilty.

That is why I don't post there Mizpeh and others.

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What is CARM?

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A website/org called Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Very anti anything that they don't agree with. Everyone is lost and going to hell and a cult if you don't believe like they do. Very anti Oneness

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Ah, thanks.

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link?

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When I read the bolded part of your post I thought it must be a UPC site. Then I saw your last sentance. LOL!!!

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CARM is headed by Matt Slick. Matt is what folks here would consider to be a rather "hard-core Calvinist." I have actually corresponded with him in the past and found him to be a generous and caring individual. I suspect Prax's "sin" may have been due to the zeal of someone on Matt's staff. Obviously, I'm extrapolating at best, and perhaps just guessing as to the reasons for Prax's unfortunate experience.

Matt had just debated a Oneness (UPC) minister about a month ago in a formal debate held at his church in cental Idaho. It could be that some of the CARM staffers are sensitized to "OP rhetoric" - and face it, Prax is onery (just kidding there, little buddy).

I have found that any time I attempt to engage someone in the realm of "religious controversy" that I first go out of my way to be candid about my motives in speaking with them. Next I try to be as precise and simultaneously as kind as I can possibly muster. That is, I do if I want to keep the channels of communication open.

But even then, you will always meet folks that simply don't have the time or the patience to discuss your concerns. People are busy. You have to almost sell them on the idea that it's worth their time to hear you out. And that's usually a tough sell, no matter who your audience is.

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I really think the mods just were over zealous. They gave no reason, no warning and after the fact I got this cryptic message and clearly if Diane really knew the reason she could give me an example.

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When did that happen?

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It was months ago. I emailed Diana and she sent that back to me a while ago. I think I responded but heard nothing back. So in looking back through them I saw this again and responded again informing I still don't know what rule I broke or what I supposedly said.

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So why do Oneness folks even bother with them?
I dont get it.

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To me it is sorta like a paraphrase of an oft cited scripture....

"academia sharpens academia"
[by edit]
or maybe....
"if a philosopher has no opposing sound, did he say anything?"

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I wouldn't go that far! there are quite a few rusty nails there. :)

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OK, I editing to add another possible criteria for the kids that feel drawn to that sand box!:bigbaby

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Anyways Mizpeh. That is why I have not been there for a while. I still am totally clueless as to who deleted my posts or why.

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Prax.. Did you contribute to Carm? Did you fill the contribution form?
Money makes the world go around.:roseglasses

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It's simple! They don't like you PRAX! I mean we all tolerate you here..... hehehehe j/k Actually I like your discussions, so get back on the horse and get a new user name and kick some Tritheistic heads!

Also Matt Slick might be nice outside the debate but he is arrogant inside one and does things many people have questioned. Seems they don't like those calvinistic feathers getting ruffled!

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not to mention spying on PMs