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08-14-2008, 04:49 PM
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Falsely accused by CARM
I don't post on carm anymore...the reason is I went there to post and my posts were being deleted and or moderated. I emailed CARM and Diane gave me this
The reason is obvious, read our rules. The rules were broken, if and when we are permitted to return posters violating the rules, you will be informed. We will not tolerate posters lying about the ministry on our forums. This is our home, use some respect. Matt will answer emails of questions, not false accusations on public forums.
Not once has anyone there told me what I did that was wrong. They just started deleting posts...posts mind you that were in defense of Oneness and refuting their arguments there. They still have not told me what I did, or given me an example or a warning. What rule did I violate? I was not told. I asked but was not told.. WHo did I lie about? What false accusation? She apparently can't tell me but just assumed I was guilty.
That is why I don't post there Mizpeh and others.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-14-2008, 04:51 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I don't post on carm anymore...the reason is I went there to post and my posts were being deleted and or moderated. I emailed CARM and Diane gave me this
The reason is obvious, read our rules. The rules were broken, if and when we are permitted to return posters violating the rules, you will be informed. We will not tolerate posters lying about the ministry on our forums. This is our home, use some respect. Matt will answer emails of questions, not false accusations on public forums.
Not once has anyone there told me what I did that was wrong. They just started deleting posts...posts mind you that were in defense of Oneness and refuting their arguments there. They still have not told me what I did, or given me an example or a warning. What rule did I violate? I was not told. I asked but was not told.. WHo did I lie about? What false accusation? She apparently can't tell me but just assumed I was guilty.
That is why I don't post there Mizpeh and others.
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What is CARM?
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08-14-2008, 04:52 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
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A website/org called Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Very anti anything that they don't agree with. Everyone is lost and going to hell and a cult if you don't believe like they do. Very anti Oneness
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-14-2008, 04:53 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
A website/org called Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Very anti anything that they don't agree with. Everyone is lost and going to hell and a cult if you don't believe like they do. Very anti Oneness
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Ah, thanks.
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08-14-2008, 04:59 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
link?
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08-14-2008, 05:41 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
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A website/org called Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Very anti anything that they don't agree with. Everyone is lost and going to hell and a cult if you don't believe like they do. Very anti Oneness
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When I read the bolded part of your post I thought it must be a UPC site. Then I saw your last sentance. LOL!!!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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08-14-2008, 05:55 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-14-2008, 05:59 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
CARM is headed by Matt Slick. Matt is what folks here would consider to be a rather "hard-core Calvinist." I have actually corresponded with him in the past and found him to be a generous and caring individual. I suspect Prax's "sin" may have been due to the zeal of someone on Matt's staff. Obviously, I'm extrapolating at best, and perhaps just guessing as to the reasons for Prax's unfortunate experience.
Matt had just debated a Oneness (UPC) minister about a month ago in a formal debate held at his church in cental Idaho. It could be that some of the CARM staffers are sensitized to "OP rhetoric" - and face it, Prax is onery (just kidding there, little buddy).
I have found that any time I attempt to engage someone in the realm of "religious controversy" that I first go out of my way to be candid about my motives in speaking with them. Next I try to be as precise and simultaneously as kind as I can possibly muster. That is, I do if I want to keep the channels of communication open.
But even then, you will always meet folks that simply don't have the time or the patience to discuss your concerns. People are busy. You have to almost sell them on the idea that it's worth their time to hear you out. And that's usually a tough sell, no matter who your audience is.
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08-14-2008, 06:22 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
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Originally Posted by pelathais
CARM is headed by Matt Slick. Matt is what folks here would consider to be a rather "hard-core Calvinist." I have actually corresponded with him in the past and found him to be a generous and caring individual. I suspect Prax's "sin" may have been due to the zeal of someone on Matt's staff. Obviously, I'm extrapolating at best, and perhaps just guessing as to the reasons for Prax's unfortunate experience.
Matt had just debated a Oneness (UPC) minister about a month ago in a formal debate held at his church in cental Idaho. It could be that some of the CARM staffers are sensitized to "OP rhetoric" - and face it, Prax is onery (just kidding there, little buddy).
I have found that any time I attempt to engage someone in the realm of "religious controversy" that I first go out of my way to be candid about my motives in speaking with them. Next I try to be as precise and simultaneously as kind as I can possibly muster. That is, I do if I want to keep the channels of communication open.
But even then, you will always meet folks that simply don't have the time or the patience to discuss your concerns. People are busy. You have to almost sell them on the idea that it's worth their time to hear you out. And that's usually a tough sell, no matter who your audience is.
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I really think the mods just were over zealous. They gave no reason, no warning and after the fact I got this cryptic message and clearly if Diane really knew the reason she could give me an example.
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-14-2008, 06:52 PM
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Re: Falsely accused by CARM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I really think the mods just were over zealous. They gave no reason, no warning and after the fact I got this cryptic message and clearly if Diane really knew the reason she could give me an example.
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When did that happen?
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