Jack Van Impe abandons TBN due to CHRISLAM
 

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=311473#ixzz1QItRh752

The dispute arose over the issue of advocating for "Chrislam" and other efforts that are designed to find "common ground" between Christians and Muslims. TBN declined to air one of Van Impe's programs that contained sharp criticisms of leaders such as Rick Warren of "The Purpose Driven Life" fame and Robert Schuller.

Read more: Van Impe ministry abandons TBN in clash over Islam http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=311473#ixzz1QIw6I1my

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wow, amazing. thanks for posting. I watched both van impe programs, while he didn't quote schuller, impe lambasted rick warren. I can't believe what rick warren is promoting. While tbn is wrong to cancel shows that offend muslims, here is a quote from another article in their defense.

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What are van impes beleifs and standards/org.ties ?any idea ?

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I do know TBN is broadcasting into Islamic nations, or trying to. I don't know about RW and Islam and what the point was there, but perhaps TBN thinks it's better to reach Muslims without offending them with anti-Islamic rants

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Doesn't surprise me about Rick Warren. He's been trying to dilute the gospel for years. Disappointed to see Bill Hybels listed as signing with this mess, not that I'm upset over it, but I know quite a few ministers that have tried modeling their churches and ministries after his.

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You can preach the gospel without bashing others. You can state boldly what you believe and WHO you believe in without totally offending everyone else. I'm not suggesting sugar coating, or compromise, but you don't have to be offensive. He that wins souls is WISE!

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I, too, think bashing is wrong. But if Impe is correct in saying TBN is airing encouragement of an amalgamation of Islam with Christianity, them I agree with Impe on THAT point.

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Me too, definately. :)

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:thumbsup

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an update on this by Rick Warren

http://www.charismanews.com/us/32322...ports-chrislam

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Amen.

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I have heard about this Chrislam. It reminds me very strongly of the C.S. Lewis story The Last Battle. Toward the middle of the story, there is a mixture of two 'deities', Aslan (a type of Christ) and Tash (a type of Satan). This abomination was termed "Tashlan". This attempt to blend these opposing systems will be nothing less than the destruction of those who have compromised from Christianity to "Chrislam".

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Now as Apostolic Ministers we must think how far can we go to meet the unbeliever.

Should we go into bars to find the lost souls?

can we find a middle ground between Oneness and trinitarians?

Is there a middle ground between Christianity and Islam?

Just exactly where do we draw the line?

We want to evangelize the Lost, but how far can we go without compromising the gospel?

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:highfive

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Rick Warren Addresses Rumors He Supports Chrislam

http://www.charismanews.com/us/32322...ports-chrislam

Sami M. Angawi, left, talks with Evangelical pastor Rick Warren, right, at the Islamic Society of North America’s 46th annual convention in Washington, July 4, 2009. Evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren says America's largest Islamic organization showed courage when it invited him to speak at its annual convention. (AP Images/Luis M. Alvarez) (Picture was in article.)
Rick Warren is calling his affiliation with Chrislam (a bridge-building attempt to allow the two religions to coexist) “nonsense” and “a lie that won’t die.”

Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, directly responded to one of his Twitter followers on the microblogging site on Saturday. The question was: “Old guy on TV claims u support chrislam. True?”

That “old guy” was likely Jack Van Impe, the popular end-times television host who walked way from TBN in the wake of a dispute over naming well-known ministers he claims are mixing Muslim and Christian beliefs.

Warren had previously commented about the rumors in response to a blog post where people were attacking him for his reported support of Chrislam. In the comment, he pointed to Proverbs 14:15, which states “Only a fool believes all that he hears.”

Here is the rest of Warren’s response:

The so-called "Chrislam" rumor is 100 percent false. If the guy who started this libelous myth, or anyone else who passed it on, had obeyed our Lord's command (Matt. 18:18-20) to come directly to me, and then asked what I actually believed—they would have been embarrassed to learn that I believe the exact opposite. As a fourth generation Christian pastor, my life and ministry is built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.

As an evangelist, I spend much of my time speaking to non-Christian groups. You cannot win your enemies to Christ; only your friends, so we must build bridges of friendship and love to those who believe differently so Jesus can walk across that bridge into their hearts. Besides, it is not a sin, but rather COMMANDED by Jesus that we love our enemies. In the past 10 years, Saddleback Church has baptized over 22,000 new adult believers—simply because we express love to those who don’t know Christ yet.

It is nonsense to believe that you must compromise your beliefs, or water down your convictions in order to love someone, or even just treat them with dignity.

Jesus was called "the friend of sinners" by the legalistic Pharisees because he hung out with (and clearly loved) unbelievers. I HOPE YOU will 1) Always believe that EVERYONE needs Jesus as their Lord & Savior. 2) Have the courage to associate with nonbelievers in order to love them and bring them to the Savior. 3) Consider being called "a friend of sinners" a Christ-like compliment. 4) Refuse to pass on rumors until you've checked for the truth with the person accused. The false statements above should be removed.

Will this put an end to the controversy? Should it? Or is it, as Warren says, the "lie that won't die"?

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Everyone without exception including TBN-Van Impe is lost without this Acts 2:38 message. Just saying............................

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Why do you guys believe every negative thing someone says about someone else but your own hero's? Rick Warren has refuted these chrislam accusations for years. Jack Van Impe is a nut and this whole chrislam controversy is making him millions. That is what it boils down to with most of these TBN guys. Van Impe has always been weird and made accusations - like Swaggart did and can never back them up. It is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Rick Warren had said, written, tweeted, emailed and documented hundreds of times that it is a LIE and that he does not believe nor promote chrislam in any way shape, form or fashion. You guys need to stop agreeing with the nuts - it makes YOU look as nutty as they are!

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No dog in this fight both Van Impe & Warren are lost as two boys kissing along with all the TBN crew. Y'all expected me to say that and I didn't want to disappoint anyone.:thumbsup Glad to be a service.:happydance

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Ephesians 2:8 teaches:
For it is by grace that we are saved-- saved by grace through faith, and it is not of our doing, it's the gift of God.

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Well...It is TRUE that we expected you to say it and we are certainly not disappointed as we all know you are waving the Acts 2:38 and Holiness banners high! We sure do love you, just the same!! LOL Why not put those big banners up there from the ceiling to the floor! :laffatu

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I am glad I believe-preach-accepted-obeyed that. It is a wonderful passage.
Who doesn't believe that is the question? However like Paul Harvey now for the rest of the story "Repent and be baptized everyone one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins and ye shall recieve the GIFT of the Holy Ghost."

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Yep, I have been there and done that too! I think most of us on here have and if you haven't - you should!

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I'm not crazy about TBN,and the stuff they promote.

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Me either and I do not support them. My pastor is on TBN (N0. 1 rated program on it) and I have other friends that are on but It is rare that I watch it and I sure don't support it.

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i do not follow man, but i follow jesus.
Now that I have said that, I will say this;
In my life time as a child to this day, those so called prophets have said the Soviet union was the anti-Christ, then the European Union, then the world would be made into 10 nations, now at wall mart you can by a book about osama bin laden's clones.
Come on people why would you believe a guy like van impe who changes his story like the wind. Those old books are out of print.
Before I was born John F kennedy was the anti christ, oh sorry I forgot the pope was too.
Anybody else?????
Are you confused??????:happydance

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I still cant for the life of me figure out why Apostolics care what Jack Van Impe and TBN are up to?

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That is sicking, Brother..but a good reminder of what happens in Christianity ..like waking us up to the fact the Satan uses many well meaning people.

I hate Islam!!!! I want to destroy it..but without harming any Muslims...

to hate them means you've lost hope in the possibility of reaching them..Those who come out to attack Rich Warren and those who are reaching out to Muslims; do not believe that Muslims can be reached.. Their imaginations are marred with the image of defeat...

I will not comment on those who made these accusations. because God is at my right hand..:heeheehee seriously.

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its' water cooler stuff :laffatu

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Because they want to focus on and talk about the obvious flaws of the ones on TV so no one will focus on their flaws hidden behind the long hair, long dresses and controlling and manipulative preachers with skeletons in their closets!

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I never said anything about Rev. Warren supporting Chrislam. However, I have heard of a number of others who were getting on board with this stuff. That was why I said what I did.

Bro. Epley, I am so glad that I have been taught, and obeyed the salvation message. There is no other name under heaven, given among men whereby we can be saved. I have now had the Holy Ghost for nearly 20 years, and I am still receiving fresh knowledge about our precious salvatiion that was bought with such a great price.

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Sorry AB, the folks in this thread that are interested arent traditional OP.

They are the ones that left Traditional OP. But hey, I am sure it was just too hard to pass up the shot.

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You know what's funny about this whole mess; RELIGION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't people realize, this ancient, age old WAR and RELIGIOUS HATE goes back to the beginning! Whether people like it or not, Muslims and the Arab race are the offspring of Abraham and they are directly related to the Jews. They also believe and practice many of the same concepts found in our own Bible.

They also kill, hate, and do the EXACT same things that Christians do. The only difference is, they strap bombs to their bodies and we write Scriptures on the bombs, guns, and scopes we use to kill them.

http://chuckwarnockblog.files.wordpr...01/scopes.jpeg

There are Muslims who are peaceful and well meaning people. I was good friends with a Muslim man for years, and they love God (in their own way), pray, and walk according to the Religion they were born into. Yes, some are radical and crazy, but let's not forget about people like Jim Jones, how the Native Americans were abused by those who trust in the Bible, or the numerous killings/executions of innocent people by Christians in the past.

Not to mention, the bloodshed of the Old Testament.

I honestly get tired of this hypocritical hate towards others who don’t practice Christianity. Think about it; most Muslims are raised to believe they are following the Truth, just like Christians are, and they are brainwashed to believe in Allah from the day they are born.

http://chuckwarnockblog.wordpress.co...ilent-witness/

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this is where i go puke. good grief.

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Actually, many things are done in the name of God that are not of His order. Further, with a few exceptions, most of the terrorism over the last 40 years has been done by Muslims. They do not feel that it is wrong to lie to the 'infidel' in order to achieve their purposes. I have known a few Muslims, and they were good people, but they are part of a religion that teaches that everyone who is not Muslim should be killed or converted. They do not worship the same God we do, although there are some similarities, nor is their Jesus our Jesus.


In the end, there is no compromise, in the religious sense, with Islam. We are both absolutist religions, and both of us can not be right. Either we are right, and Jesus Christ is God manifest in flesh, who died upon the cross, and rose after three days, and is worthy of our worship, or the Muslims are correct, and Jesus was only a man born of Mary and Joseph, was used mightily used of God, and died as all men die. Beyond this point there is no compromise.

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In may of 1993 the word of the Lord came unto me saying, "for by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war.":laffatu

having being convicted of adultery and receiving the Holy Ghost, I understood plainly that I can win any war without ever shedding blood...with the precept which I just shared with you...

back at that time when I first heard that there were a billion Muslims in the world....I became enraged..not realizing how big the world is...and how much work there is ahead of me.. but with a couple million people like yourself I can end all wars or at least make the world stand still long enough to consider the fact that they have no other alternative.. :happydance:heeheehee

Months before 9/11 I came to the conclusion that the image of the Beast in Revelation is WAR....
that once the gospel came into the world , that God condemns all forms of war..because the gospel is the solution to all the worlds ills..and every answer that man will ever need is written therein....

The bible also says that, "we are complete in him who is the head of all principality and power"

in the beginning with the blood of the martyrs which is mentioned in Revelation 6:9-11 ... and the followup in verse 14-17 in that chapter which excoriates the sin of War.....

and this is why Mystery Babylon is condemned...:smack:foottap:heeheehee

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All depends on what you call Terrorism. Do you feel our invasion of Iraq was justified? If so, by what means do you consider the death toll of Iraq Civilians a noble cause (Since the invasion of Iraq, over 100,000 Iraqi Civilians have been killed between the years 2003-2009)?

What about Slavery? What about what happened to the Native Americans? Do you consider these acts of violence against humanity a form of Terrorism? Some define Terrorism as simply an exploit of violence against innocent people, to gain political, religious, or social power.

Sami Zeidan, a Lebanese diplomat and scholar, explained the political reasons underlying the current difficulties to define terrorism as follows:

"There is no general consensus on the definition of terrorism. The difficulty of defining terrorism lies in the risk it entails of taking positions. The political value of the term currently prevails over its legal one. Left to its political meaning, terrorism easily falls prey to change that suits the interests of particular states at particular times. The Taliban and Osama bin Laden were once called freedom fighters (mujahideen) and backed by the CIA when they were resisting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Now they are on top of the international terrorist lists. Today, the United Nations views Palestinians as freedom fighters, struggling against the unlawful occupation of their land by Israel, and engaged in a long-established legitimate resistance, yet Israel regards them as terrorists. Israel also brands the Hizbullah of Lebanon as a terrorist group, whereas most of the international community regards it as a legitimate resistance group, fighting Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon. In fact, the successful ousting of Israeli forces from most of the South by the Hizbollah in 2000 made Lebanon the only Arab country to actually defeat the Israeli army. The repercussion of the current preponderance of the political over the legal value of terrorism is costly, leaving the war against terrorism selective, incomplete and ineffective."

Bringing our own Religion into the equation has nothing to do with the justification of killing or maiming other human beings. In other words, beating our own drum of being “Right” is only the mask of hiding our own lies and deceit.

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Really? Have you ever listened to him preach? His church members take a systematic theology class? How many pentecostal churches do this?

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Spiritual inferiority complex.