Be Libertarian with me:
 

Don't like Obama?

Don't like Romney?

Be Libertarian with me...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X3QRSIXgns


Why not? Thoughts?

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:thumbsup

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Why not? Because that is giving power to Obama, that's why. If he had a real chance of winning that would be a different story. But as of now there is Obama or Romney.

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The idea with Ron Paul, at least, is not in winning the White House. It was to help enact smaller government policy. We need a lot more of the policy side of Libertarianism in government. We can debate the social aspect later.

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Libertarianism is just as nutty as Communism. Both are pie in the sky philosophies that would never work in reality.

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The Republican Party would do well to adopt some of the policies by the Libertarian Party. You even said that you agree with Ron Paul 95% of the time. That's the percentage we need to focus on. IMO, the Republican Party is broken. And I am not advocating everything Libertarians stand for - no censorship for pornography. However, the smaller government stuff is spot on. We shouldn't ignore some of this. These are the issues that concern me and the solutions that I do agree on.

On the Economy:

"A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society." - Libertarian Party Platform, Section 2.0 (adopted: May 2008)

On Healthcare:

1. Establish Medical Saving Accounts.

Under this program, you could deposit tax-free money into a Medical Savings Account (MSA). Whenever you need the money to pay medical bills, you will be able to withdraw it. For individuals without an MSA, the Libertarian Party will work to make all healthcare expenditures 100 percent tax deductible.
2. Deregulate the healthcare industry.

We should repeal all government policies that increase health costs and decrease the availability of medical services. For example, every state has laws that mandate coverage of specific disabilities and diseases. These laws reduce consumer choice and increase the cost of health insurance. By making insurance more expensive, mandated benefits increase the number of uninsured American workers.

3. Remove barriers to safe, affordable medicines.

We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives. The mission of the FDA is to protect us from unsafe medicines. In fact, the FDA has driven up healthcare costs and deprived millions of Americans of much-needed treatments. For example, during a 10-year delay in approving Propanolol Propranolol (a heart medication for treating angina and hypertension), approximately 100,000 people died who could have been treated with this lifesaving drug. Bureaucratic roadblocks kill sick Americans.

On Immigration:

For those workers already in the United States illegally, we can avoid "amnesty" and still offer a pathway out of the underground economy. Newly legalized workers can be assessed fines and back taxes and serve probation befitting the misdemeanor they've committed. They can be required to take their place at the back of the line should they eventually apply for permanent residency.

The fatal flaw of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was not that it offered legal status to workers already here but that it made no provision for future workers to enter legally.

Poverty and Welfare:

1. End Welfare

None of the proposals currently being advanced by either conservatives or liberals is likely to fix the fundamental problems with our welfare system. Current proposals for welfare reform, including block grants, job training, and "workfare" represent mere tinkering with a failed system.

It is time to recognize that welfare cannot be reformed: it should be ended.

We should eliminate the entire social welfare system. This includes eliminating food stamps, subsidized housing, and all the rest. Individuals who are unable to fully support themselves and their families through the job market must, once again, learn to rely on supportive family, church, community, or private charity to bridge the gap.

2. Establish a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charity

If the federal government's attempt at charity has been a dismal failure, private efforts have been much more successful. America is the most generous nation on earth. We already contribute more than $125 billion annually to charity. However, as we phase out inefficient government welfare, private charities must be able to step up and fill the void.

To help facilitate this transfer of responsibility from government welfare to private charity, the federal government should offer a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charities that provide social-welfare services. That is to say, if an individual gives a dollar to charity, he should be able to reduce his tax liability by a dollar.

3. Tear down barriers to entrepreneurism and economic growth

Almost everyone agrees that a job is better than any welfare program. Yet for years this country has pursued tax and regulatory policies that seem perversely designed to discourage economic growth and reduce entrepreneurial opportunities. Someone starting a business today needs a battery of lawyers just to comply with the myriad of government regulations from a virtual alphabet soup of government agencies: OSHA, EPA, FTC, CPSC, etc. Zoning and occupational licensing laws are particularly damaging to the type of small businesses that may help people work their way out of poverty.

In addition, government regulations such as minimum wage laws and mandated benefits drive up the cost of employing additional workers. We call for the repeal of government regulations and taxes that are steadily cutting the bottom rungs off the economic ladder.

4. Reform education

There can be no serious attempt to solve the problem of poverty in America without addressing our failed government-run school system. Nearly forty years after Brown vs. Board of Education, America's schools are becoming increasingly segregated, not on the basis of race, but on income. Wealthy and middle class parents are able to send their children to private schools, or at least move to a district with better public schools. Poor families are trapped -- forced to send their children to a public school system that fails to educate.

It is time to break up the public education monopoly and give all parents the right to decide what school their children will attend. It is essential to restore choice and the discipline of the marketplace to education. Only a free market in education will provide the improvement in education necessary to enable millions of Americans to escape poverty.

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Unfortunately, as things stand,
"Why not? Because that is giving power to Obama, that's why. If he had a real chance of winning that would be a different story. But as of now there is Obama or Romney."

I say "Be apolitical with yourself,"
but if everyone on this forum pledges to vote Lib,
no exceptions, I'll go register.

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Obama and Romeny are the left and right hands of tyranny. To vote for either one is a vote against liberty. To vote for the lesser of two evils... is still a vote for evil.

Vote principles. Don't vote for power.

Both are marching us "Left, Right, Left..." straight into a police state.

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Can you elaborate?

Free market.
Free people.

Sounds good to me.

I recomend reading Fredrick Bastiat's, The Law. Great book. You can download a .pdf copy off the internet if you Google it.

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I like Libertarianism because it fosters liberty.

I want Democrats out of our wallets... and Republicans out our bedrooms and private lives. lol

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You are off the hook because I am part of "everyone"" and I would never vote libertarian or any other third party because it is throwing away your vote.

Those that voted for Ross Perot in 1992 gave the Presidential election to a man where there was an audio tape of him urging Jennifer Flowers, one of the women he had an affair with, to "just keep quiet" telling her that if they didn't talk no one could prove anything.

It was amazing to me at the time that America would elect someone who it was proven was lying to them before they even voted for him.

Ross Perot insured that Bill Clinton became President with just 43% of the vote. Not even a majority.

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No, because I just don't want to. :)

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... and what a fine President he was.
:happydance

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There isn't any real difference between the two. A vote for Romney is a vote for more of the same tired garbage.

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How is it "nutty"?

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For me, I'm so disappointed in both Obama and Romney... I can't vote for either of them. At least I see principles in the Libertarian Party that I can agree with.

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Any comments on this article from the Libertarians?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ion/56137086/1

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I strongly disagree with that. I truly believe BO is not an American and EVERYTHING he has done has been to bring America down.

Romney is not my choice either, but to vote anyone else would hand BO 4 more years. As I heard a caller say this week, these past 3 1/2 years have been "light" BO years because he wants another 4 years. He has lied about everything he promised 4 years ago, and he wants to be a dictator so bad he can't stand not having it. He says while running he doesn't have the power to give amnesty to the illegals and turns around and does it with executive powers. He has gone overboard with that.

Do you honestly think voting for anyone besides Romney will keep BO from winning?

Do you honestly think Romney would be as bad as BO has been? If so, how so.

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Not to rain on the discussion here, but *we* don't elect the President anyway. The Electoral College does.

All this 'we gotta vote for So-And-So' seems kinda silly when you realise *we* don't elect those guys to begin with.

Party Primary elections, of course, are different. But the 'general election' is pretty much just a feel-good exercise in 'convincing ourselves we have the final say-so' when in reality we don't.

Just my $.02 ($.002 adjusted for inflation).

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Obama wants to ban guns. Romney actually HAS banned them in Mass.

Obama wants to bring government managed socialist 'health care' to America. Romney actually HAS done that in Mass.

Obama likes to play with the Wall Street boys. Romney IS a Wall Street boy.

:icecream

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Voting principles over party is NEVER throwing away your vote. For example... let's say you have Nero, Caligula, and George Washington running for election. Now, Nero and Caligula are candidates of the two major parties. We all know that as of right now... either Nero or Caligula will win. However, do you vote with a "party" to win??? Or do you vote your principles and therefore vote for George Washington because he truly stands for what you believe in???? Would that vote be "throwing away your vote"??? I don't think so.

Oh... at one time the Republicans were a third party.

Nope. Those who voted for Clinton gave the election to him. If everyone voted for the principles that truly made America great... they'd have voted for Ross Perot.

Well, they were not enchanted with the Republican candidate and people made them afraid that they'd "throw away their vote" if they didn't vote for either a D or an R.

Nope. The American people's stupidity did. If they would have rejected Clinton for principles Clinton wouldn't have won.

As I see it... one can vote Libertarian or vote for "Obamney 2012".

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Why?

Are there men who are willing to stick to the principles of liberty... even if it means facing defeat?

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It's called personal responsibility. Is it the GOVERNMENT's job to babysit all these Americans that are so stupid that they'd overdose on drugs like this? Maybe it would be a good thing. Survival of the intelligent.

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Vote principle. If the American people are stupid enough to elect Obama again, that's on those who vote for him.

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:thumbsup

You see... the powers that be are convincing Americans that there really is a difference between these two. There isn't. It's a scam.

Join the Libertarian Revolution.

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Losing is not a plan for success...you are just a loser.

Throwing away votes in favor of a loser, just makes you a party to the loser.

Give me a candidate who can compete and I will get behind him, give me a wannabe who can't win and I will give my vote to someone who has a shot.

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Just changed my registration to Libertarian a couple weeks ago. I like that they oppose the draft. That was my biggest reason. Def. don't agree with all their viewpoints.

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So... you'd throw away your principles to "win"? Typical. They have you all caught up in their concocted "Perpetual War". They've locked you in.

If Nero were the Republican candidate, Caligula the Democratic candidate, and George Washington the Libertarian candidate... you'd vote for Nero because you'd judge George Washington a "loser" because he'd most likely not win???

Don't be a drone.

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You don't have to agree with all viewpoints in the Libertarian Party. However, it's the only party that is dedicated to re-establishing our Constitutional liberties. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are the power mad parties driving this nation, and our Constitution, into the dust of history. I began seriously looking at the Libertarian Party after I began to realize how much the PATRIOT ACT eviscerated our Constitutional Liberties.

The Republican Party and the Democratic Party are just the right and left hands of tyranny. I'm voting Libertarian because I gave an OATH...

"I, [Christopher Hall], do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

That leaves me only ONE choice. The Libertarian Party.

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If standing by, and defending, the Constitution of the United States of America makes me a "loser"... so be it Almighty God.

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Why be a Libertarian?...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iJi4FlF6th...s1600/oath.jpg

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Elections are not sporting events. These two parties are threats to our Constitutional Liberites. Both of them.

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It's funny... during an election year they each try to get everyone mad as Hades at the opposing party... but it's only been these two parties who have been in charge. LOL THEY ARE THE PROBLEM.

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What??? Nobody wants to speak up in defense of these two parties that are responsible for destroying our country and trashing our Constitutional liberties?

... and yet you'll vote for them.

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So... anyone want to stand with me in defending the Constitution from the Obamney machine???

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When you continue to use the word "They" referring this nameless dark evil that hangs out above the stage like Stromboli pulling the strings and making everyone perform their part, you sound like a nut.

And when you throw in the vague and and nonsensical statement that you are the only one defending the Constitution you make me want to fall in the floor laughing. You are going to defend the Constitution by LOSING? Sounds like an ingenious plan...can't type...any...more...laughing...too...hard.

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I am not sure whether to be a libertarian or a librarian. Maybe both.

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I did not know that Aquila was a librarian....
:highfive