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Old 06-26-2012, 07:49 AM
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Be Libertarian with me:

Don't like Obama?

Don't like Romney?

Be Libertarian with me...


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Why not? Thoughts?
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:00 PM
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Don't like Obama?

Don't like Romney?

Be Libertarian with me...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X3QRSIXgns



Why not? Thoughts?
Why not? Because that is giving power to Obama, that's why. If he had a real chance of winning that would be a different story. But as of now there is Obama or Romney.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:20 PM
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Why not? Because that is giving power to Obama, that's why. If he had a real chance of winning that would be a different story. But as of now there is Obama or Romney.
The idea with Ron Paul, at least, is not in winning the White House. It was to help enact smaller government policy. We need a lot more of the policy side of Libertarianism in government. We can debate the social aspect later.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:18 PM
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Libertarianism is just as nutty as Communism. Both are pie in the sky philosophies that would never work in reality.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:45 PM
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Libertarianism is just as nutty as Communism. Both are pie in the sky philosophies that would never work in reality.
The Republican Party would do well to adopt some of the policies by the Libertarian Party. You even said that you agree with Ron Paul 95% of the time. That's the percentage we need to focus on. IMO, the Republican Party is broken. And I am not advocating everything Libertarians stand for - no censorship for pornography. However, the smaller government stuff is spot on. We shouldn't ignore some of this. These are the issues that concern me and the solutions that I do agree on.

On the Economy:


"A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society." - Libertarian Party Platform, Section 2.0 (adopted: May 2008)

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1. Establish Medical Saving Accounts.

Under this program, you could deposit tax-free money into a Medical Savings Account (MSA). Whenever you need the money to pay medical bills, you will be able to withdraw it. For individuals without an MSA, the Libertarian Party will work to make all healthcare expenditures 100 percent tax deductible.
2. Deregulate the healthcare industry.

We should repeal all government policies that increase health costs and decrease the availability of medical services. For example, every state has laws that mandate coverage of specific disabilities and diseases. These laws reduce consumer choice and increase the cost of health insurance. By making insurance more expensive, mandated benefits increase the number of uninsured American workers.

3. Remove barriers to safe, affordable medicines.

We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives. The mission of the FDA is to protect us from unsafe medicines. In fact, the FDA has driven up healthcare costs and deprived millions of Americans of much-needed treatments. For example, during a 10-year delay in approving Propanolol Propranolol (a heart medication for treating angina and hypertension), approximately 100,000 people died who could have been treated with this lifesaving drug. Bureaucratic roadblocks kill sick Americans.

On Immigration:

For those workers already in the United States illegally, we can avoid "amnesty" and still offer a pathway out of the underground economy. Newly legalized workers can be assessed fines and back taxes and serve probation befitting the misdemeanor they've committed. They can be required to take their place at the back of the line should they eventually apply for permanent residency.

The fatal flaw of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was not that it offered legal status to workers already here but that it made no provision for future workers to enter legally.

Poverty and Welfare:

1. End Welfare

None of the proposals currently being advanced by either conservatives or liberals is likely to fix the fundamental problems with our welfare system. Current proposals for welfare reform, including block grants, job training, and "workfare" represent mere tinkering with a failed system.

It is time to recognize that welfare cannot be reformed: it should be ended.

We should eliminate the entire social welfare system. This includes eliminating food stamps, subsidized housing, and all the rest. Individuals who are unable to fully support themselves and their families through the job market must, once again, learn to rely on supportive family, church, community, or private charity to bridge the gap.

2. Establish a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charity

If the federal government's attempt at charity has been a dismal failure, private efforts have been much more successful. America is the most generous nation on earth. We already contribute more than $125 billion annually to charity. However, as we phase out inefficient government welfare, private charities must be able to step up and fill the void.

To help facilitate this transfer of responsibility from government welfare to private charity, the federal government should offer a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charities that provide social-welfare services. That is to say, if an individual gives a dollar to charity, he should be able to reduce his tax liability by a dollar.

3. Tear down barriers to entrepreneurism and economic growth

Almost everyone agrees that a job is better than any welfare program. Yet for years this country has pursued tax and regulatory policies that seem perversely designed to discourage economic growth and reduce entrepreneurial opportunities. Someone starting a business today needs a battery of lawyers just to comply with the myriad of government regulations from a virtual alphabet soup of government agencies: OSHA, EPA, FTC, CPSC, etc. Zoning and occupational licensing laws are particularly damaging to the type of small businesses that may help people work their way out of poverty.

In addition, government regulations such as minimum wage laws and mandated benefits drive up the cost of employing additional workers. We call for the repeal of government regulations and taxes that are steadily cutting the bottom rungs off the economic ladder.

4. Reform education

There can be no serious attempt to solve the problem of poverty in America without addressing our failed government-run school system. Nearly forty years after Brown vs. Board of Education, America's schools are becoming increasingly segregated, not on the basis of race, but on income. Wealthy and middle class parents are able to send their children to private schools, or at least move to a district with better public schools. Poor families are trapped -- forced to send their children to a public school system that fails to educate.

It is time to break up the public education monopoly and give all parents the right to decide what school their children will attend. It is essential to restore choice and the discipline of the marketplace to education. Only a free market in education will provide the improvement in education necessary to enable millions of Americans to escape poverty.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:35 PM
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Re: Be Libertarian with me:

Unfortunately, as things stand,
"Why not? Because that is giving power to Obama, that's why. If he had a real chance of winning that would be a different story. But as of now there is Obama or Romney."

I say "Be apolitical with yourself,"
but if everyone on this forum pledges to vote Lib,
no exceptions, I'll go register.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:14 PM
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Why not? Because that is giving power to Obama, that's why. If he had a real chance of winning that would be a different story. But as of now there is Obama or Romney.
Obama and Romeny are the left and right hands of tyranny. To vote for either one is a vote against liberty. To vote for the lesser of two evils... is still a vote for evil.

Vote principles. Don't vote for power.

Both are marching us "Left, Right, Left..." straight into a police state.

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Old 06-30-2012, 04:15 PM
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Libertarianism is just as nutty as Communism. Both are pie in the sky philosophies that would never work in reality.
Can you elaborate?

Free market.
Free people.

Sounds good to me.

I recomend reading Fredrick Bastiat's, The Law. Great book. You can download a .pdf copy off the internet if you Google it.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:17 PM
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I like Libertarianism because it fosters liberty.

I want Democrats out of our wallets... and Republicans out our bedrooms and private lives. lol
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